Originally by: Chavu

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the fact is that suicide ganks rarely happen

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• Outbound traffic: Actually, this is even with gang based gank operations a serious consideration, and the reason many people fly BPO's in a shuttle (which is quite ok as long as you don't toss your advantage away with flying AFK). If you align almost instantly, you'll never get a lock against you and will suffer no attack. This works in most cases in low sec, and in high sec it works even beter because the one counter in unbubbled space against instaaligning (smartbombs) is not feasible in high sec.


• Tanking: As a matter of fact, most haulers will have far more structure than shields or armor, making a combination of shield and structure buffer tanking quite viable. DC works quite well (if you don't haul AFK) on structure tanks and with lots of bulkheads an industrial can pad its HP quite well this way. Top it off with shield extenders in the mids(maybe 1 or 2 invuls) and the cost to gank went up an awful lot. DC is very nice this way because it benefits resists on ALL tank types.


• Repairs: While i agree that buffer tanking is the way to go, carrying an armor and hull repair in your hold so you can dock, unload, repair, reload and resume your journey in pristine condition is not a bad idea.


• The rush: Yeah. That's for many the sole reason to pirate. It's hard to make it more profitable than carebearing but you found out the rewards aren't just in the ISKies.


• Trial accounts: I mentioned that before, and i wholeheartedly throw in my support for this again. Trials are disposable. They are already abused by ISK farmers and sellers, and the mechanics used to detect alt abuse on the same account(already deemed an exploit) don't work when the whole account is tossed away. I fully agree that free trialers should not be able to do anything that gives them a global agression timer. No hitting CONCORD, no attacking players who aren't already flashy red, neither in high sec nor low sec. If they want to pew pew so badly, they should be willing to pay the subscription. Prevents abuse and even improves the new player experience somewhat as it also acts as a form of foolproofing against stuff that would make an unexpecting player lose sec rating and their ship.


• Countermeasures: VERY nice idea. The anti scanning item is great as is, but to spice it up make it a low slot item so it has to be balanced out against other indy fittings(blate, WCS, cargo expanders, nano), and it should benefit the pirate if he uses a passive targeter in some way to add use to that module. The demolition charges however will be quite hard to balance out i think as even a 60% chance of destructon would quickly make suiciding completely unviable.


• Anti piracy: My stance on this remains the same. At present pirates pretty much always have the first strike advantage and anti piracy is seriously hampered by this. Pirates don't care about their sec rating while anti pirates do, and this protects pirates until they make their run. It should be made much easier to proactively seek out and eliminate pirate gatecamps and wolfpacks with a dedicated patrol, and this should be done both in high and low sec. Doing it that way will also address the overabundance of target starved pirates in low sec, which is the chief reason the risk/reward ratio in low sec is so out of whack few bother exploiting it.

Originally by: Chavu

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Excellent post.

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If there was tons of people suiciding all the time, then it would be a problem and CCP would change some of the mechanics.
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Originally by: Keva

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Transports are tough. After the whole Mastadon-Of-Doom incident I rechecked EFT. A well tanked T2 transport has about 25,000 effective HP (HP * average resist of damage being dealt) against blasters. I good BC can do about 400 DPS so in 20 seconds can do 8000 damage. A T2 transport can survive 3 BC.

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Originally by: Zarin

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A 22 day old char in an armageddon with smartbombs can pop a blockade runner transport in 7 seconds. I assume they had trained exclusively for the task, they can then be recycled with no need to worry about the sec status loss.

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Originally by: Nyabinghi

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I do disagree with some points you made, I'll elaborate:

OK let's make this clear AUTOPILOT CARGO HAULING IN HIGH SEC IS NOT A CRIME. By nature hauling goods often means traveling long distances. Even warp to zero gate to gate travel across EVE can be time consuming. Some haulers go AFK, some are busy checking markets, conducting business, etc. Just because a hauler has his or her ship on autopilot doesn't mean it deserves to be blown up. So let's get off blaming the victim. Having said that, yes it's obviously safer to not be AFK or otherwise to not autopilot all the time through EVE. If your cargo is quite valuable then it's better to be safe than sorry.

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There are no fair fights in EVE. If you're in a fair fight, you planned wrong.

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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban

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This entire thread wins - the OP espectially, but also the commentors - it's very rare to find such a well thought out and reasoned discussion outside of Features.

It's especially good because it finally shows that there are reasonable measures that can be made to protect yourself, and despite that there are still a few holes that could do with plugging, in non-gamebreaking ways. I've never suicide ganked, nor do I ever intend to, but I'm all for everyone having their fun.

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Originally by: Maik002

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CCP. please add some hardpoints to freighters...

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Originally by: CRUSH BOSS

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Yawn ...

All empire hulks will die.

Nothing new here.


"I love the smell of burning fur in the morning"

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Originally by: Sumerio Rayej

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The only potential problem is that it doesn't let people jump right into a try at piracy during their trial period. I imagine that wouldn't be a very big deal, though.

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