Originally by: AleRiperKilt

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Originally by: Sumerio Rayej

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The only potential problem is that it doesn't let people jump right into a try at piracy during their trial period. I imagine that wouldn't be a very big deal, though.

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These actions are not "illegal" in nullsec, they could always go down there and try.

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Originally by: Blindone1

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Very good ideas the OP shared with us.

A Raven with decent skills and fittings can do around 800 DPS, multiply that by 4 Ravens and by 20 seconds (0.5 sec) and you get enough firepower to destroy any ship's tank. If it's not enough just add another Raven to the mix. There no way anyone can tank a well organized suicide gank. Not even a well organized carebear! And there's where the problem is.

Some of your ideas should be put in place, untill then, lets all grab some friends and have fun suiciding people and making good proffit from it.

I disagree with the op in regards to shuttles. They are unbeateble transport ships in high sec, providing you are not AFK and you only need 10m3.

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Originally by: Blindone1

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A Raven with decent skills and fittings can do around 800 DPS, multiply that by 4 Ravens and by 20 seconds (0.5 sec) and you get enough firepower to destroy any ship's tank. If it's not enough just add another Raven to the mix. There no way anyone can tank a well organized suicide gank. Not even a well organized carebear! And there's where the problem is.

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Originally by: Blindone1

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Keva, Arbalest siege launchers go for just 375000 max these days. 5 BCU's II only take 5 Mill, don't tell me that it's a expensive fitting. CN siege missiles, just enough loaded for 20 sec fire don't add much either. I don't think this is a expensive tech 2 fit. It has tech 2 but it's not that expensive.

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I got ganked in a ship with a bigger HP buffer than the best of your setups (freighters not included), no resist holes, and a booster that had the opportunity to give me some more 10000 Hp's more. You know how many BS's fired at me? Only 4!!! I was not AFK, I had my tank running, there was nothing I could do other than stay docked with that expensive ship.

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Originally by: Dreaded Chaos

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On the other side. What can a freighter pilot do to avoid getting ganked? You can't add any fittings. Outbound you turn and align to slow to get away don't you?

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Originally by: Dreaded Chaos

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How can you kill a freighter in 20 seconds? Can 10 Ravens pop a freighter that fast?

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On the other side. What can a freighter pilot do to avoid getting ganked? You can't add any fittings. Outbound you turn and align to slow to get away don't you?

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Originally by: Illegal

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if you must must go AFK then use your AP settings to avoid 0.6 and down to reduce the chance of a gank.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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It's heartbreaking to see 10b worth of morphite or datacores go up in smoke. So close, and yet so far away lol.

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Originally by: Chelone

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Oh I feel so bad for you, you piece of filth. Watch out, some unnamed alt may "accidentally" smartbomb your +5 clone as you undock, then you'll have something to cry about.

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Originally by: Keva

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Edited by: Keva on 18/03/2008 23:41:12
So I decided I needed some intel. How quick does Concord respond?
Found out I have about 20 seconds in 0.5-0.6 space and about 8 seconds in 1.0 space. 0.5 FTW.

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Originally by: DogSlime

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Excellent post.

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Originally by: Stefx

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Originally by: Keva

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Edited by: Keva on 18/03/2008 23:41:12
So I decided I needed some intel. How quick does Concord respond?
Found out I have about 20 seconds in 0.5-0.6 space and about 8 seconds in 1.0 space. 0.5 FTW.

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Excellent OP.

One question. If there is already a Concord squad around, is the response instant when a suicide ganker attacks you (from the Concord already there) or does a new Concord squad spawn (the one already there ignores the ganker)?

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Originally by: Stefx

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One question. If there is already a Concord squad around, is the response instant when a suicide ganker attacks you (from the Concord already there) or does a new Concord squad spawn (the one already there ignores the ganker)?

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Originally by: Shanur

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Smartbombs aren't really an option for high sec. The added crowds make the risk of hitting something else before your target if you just leave them on too great, and if you only turn them on when you see the blockade runner he'll be gone in less than those 7 seconds. SB's are really a lowsec tactic, and lowsec works markedly different from suicide ganking.

A deep space transport should be able to tank out those SB's with ease.

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Originally by: Zarin

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When you are suicide ganking you don't need to worry about hitting someone else anyway, since you have already called in concord by setting them off, this isn't theorycraft, I have seen it happen, armageddon goes for a lucky bump on a transport (viator at that), makes the bump stopping it from warping then sets off smartbombs, 7 seconds later the viator explodes. The char doing this was 22 days old. And this is a T2 hauler, perhaps unlucky that it didn't get to warp, probably expander fitted, but still, that in highsec a 22 day old can do that to a ship designed to avoid just that.... well This was in highsec, and concord did arrive, but a second or so too late.

This isn't 6 month+ old chars burning their sec status on that one juicy afk hauler kill, it's people recycling chars that mean nothing to them and are able to do it with a few mil outlay and virtually no risk.

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Originally by: Keva

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Originally by: Blindone1

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A Raven with decent skills and fittings can do around 800 DPS, multiply that by 4 Ravens and by 20 seconds (0.5 sec) and you get enough firepower to destroy any ship's tank. If it's not enough just add another Raven to the mix. There no way anyone can tank a well organized suicide gank. Not even a well organized carebear! And there's where the problem is.

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I would be interested in what setup can do 800 DPS cheaply. Using BS sized T2 components makes profiting from suicide attacks very difficult.

Even assuming 880DPS * 4 attackers = 3200DPS * 20 sec = 64K damage.

Some of the T2 transport or BS tanks I showed have for more EHP. It would take 2-3 times as many ships (8-12 BS).

At some point it becomes a situation of opportunity cost. Sure infinite ships at infinite cost can destroy anything but why would they? More profit, more chaos, more fun can be had by destroyed a dozen untanked ships in the time/cost it takes to setup this massive suicide run

Let's look at the numbers 12 BS w/ T2 gear? and a net loss of 30 mil a piece = loss of 360 mil can destroy one tanked transport/battleship/freighter. Let's say the transport is carrying 1 billion. Half is lost in the destruction. 500 mill - 360 mil suicide loss = 140 mill profit / 12+ attackes = net gain <20 mil.

Those 12 pirates could make 2-3 as much just solo destroying the dozens and dozens and dozens of AFK untanked indies carrying 20, 50, 200 mill worth of loot.

It comes down to a number game. At some point unless there is some inside job (spy telling a pirate corp a transport/freighter is going this way with 2bil+ in it's cargo hold) it doesn't make sense to assemble these massive T2 fitted suicide fleets when more isk can be made solo in cheap BC.

I am not saying massive attacks on transports/hauling BS/freighters don't happen. However the odds of being attacked like that are a magnitude lower.

Just some guesses:
If your odds in being attacked untanked AFK in indy are 10%.
Your odds being successfully attacked in tanked indy WTZ are like 1%
Your odds being successfully attacked by massive 12+ BS fleet are like 0.01%.

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