Can flipping newbies on trial, harassing new players, anything that impacts new folks (Under a couple weeks) who are just trying to get started and figure out what they think of Eve. All they're doing is being mean for no reason whatsoever. I don't think the entire organization should be banned, however selective members perhaps. I really enjoy watching the drama they cause, but frequently they cross the line to attack the lifeblood of Eve. And then they brag about it. Not cool.

I am sure the tears of the shortsighted that did not stock up on Nitrogen Isotopes will fuel you for quite some time.

Caldari fuel blocks are currently selling for 23K in Jita.
Granted, this is mostly due to market manipulation today, but nonetheless, current costs to run a large Caldari POS now stand at 664M/month using that 23K/fuel block price.

It does not concern me much, since I stocked up to establish a buffer.
But I am sure there are many budding industrialists you are ruining.

Well played.

I just wish I could understand what kind of mind Goon leadership must have to derive enjoyment in destroying the enjoyment for many others in this game.

Actually, it is pretty clear. Goon leadership are sociopaths.
It really does not matter that "Eve is just a game, and it is a sandbox".

Though it is quite impossible to do, it would be extremely interesting to have professional clinical psychologists study Goon leaders in and out of game, and compare their real world lifestyle with that of their Eve game style.

I personally believe that the correlation would be extremely high.

I am sure the tears of the shortsighted that did not stock up on Nitrogen Isotopes will fuel you for quite some time.

Caldari fuel blocks are currently selling for 23K in Jita.
Granted, this is mostly due to market manipulation today, but nonetheless, current costs to run a large Caldari POS now stand at 664M/month using that 23K/fuel block price.

It does not concern me much, since I stocked up to establish a buffer.
But I am sure there are many budding industrialists you are ruining.

Well played.

I just wish I could understand what kind of mind Goon leadership must have to derive enjoyment in destroying the enjoyment for many others in this game.

Actually, it is pretty clear. Goon leadership are sociopaths.
It really does not matter that "Eve is just a game, and it is a sandbox".

Though it is quite impossible to do, it would be extremely interesting to have professional clinical psychologists study Goon leaders in and out of game, and compare their real world lifestyle with that of their Eve game style.

I personally believe that the correlation would be extremely high.

Wait a minute, if you mine it yourself it's... free?

[quote=Andski][quote=Ptraci]OK yeah I guess mining ice is "not free". Unless you're AFK.

Last I saw there were 2 goons running, though one was "not endorsed by goons'.
Plus, it is quite simple, even expected, to have alt's of goon's running.

There was a blog a few months ago, which I cannot find right now, that did an analysis on how many votes were needed to win a seat on the last CSM. It was something like 1300-1500 votes to get elected last time.
It is a pretty simple thing for goons, who have well in excess of 6000 votes available within their mains and alts (2000 in goonswarm, plus the alt on those accounts, plus who knows how many other non-goon affiliated alt accounts), to split their votes to elect a lot of people to the CSM.

Mittani may be an evil jerk, but he is far from stupid.
He can easily have a strawmen/puppets running as a rep for high sec interests, another for wormhole interests, a few apparently non-goon related people running as well.

All can be elected and then "Surprise, we all are goons!"
The smart play of course is to keep that fact under tight wraps even after the election.
That NDA is a wonderful tool to muzzle anyone from stating precisely what interests were represented by whom.

Now, I do believe that Kelduum from Eve UNI will get in, since he also has a large potential voting bloc there.
But rest assured, when the voting is done, the scaled down CSM (was 7 reps + 7 alternates, now 5+5) will be goon-dominated.

Nobody mines ice ATK.

Anyone who uses the word 'pubbie' to describe other players is pretty much THE definition of a loser wannabe groupie.

I am sure the tears of the shortsighted that did not stock up on Nitrogen Isotopes will fuel you for quite some time.

Caldari fuel blocks are currently selling for 23K in Jita.
Granted, this is mostly due to market manipulation today, but nonetheless, current costs to run a large Caldari POS now stand at 664M/month using that 23K/fuel block price.

It does not concern me much, since I stocked up to establish a buffer.
But I am sure there are many budding industrialists you are ruining.

Well played.

I just wish I could understand what kind of mind Goon leadership must have to derive enjoyment in destroying the enjoyment for many others in this game.

Actually, it is pretty clear. Goon leadership are sociopaths.
It really does not matter that "Eve is just a game, and it is a sandbox".

Though it is quite impossible to do, it would be extremely interesting to have professional clinical psychologists study Goon leaders in and out of game, and compare their real world lifestyle with that of their Eve game style.

I personally believe that the correlation would be extremely high.

The more people I kill in Eve Online (and I've literally killed thousands, if not tens of thousands) the more I find that the players who are the most socially adjusted and psychologically stable are the killers, the pirates, the agressive violent individuals that thrive on player vs. player competition.

The players who are the most unreasonable, the most unintelligent and the most hateful (sending dozens of evemails spewing violent profanity and racist hate speech for example) are the 'carebears'- the builders, the industrialists, the miners. The people who claim to be benevolent and 'peaceful' and 'just want to be left alone'. These are the most dangerous, most maladjusted sociopaths in the game.

This is 100% accurate. When the Gallente Ice Interdiction was going on I was getting multiple IRL death threats every day from people who suffered the consequences of violating the interdiction. It was truly disturbing. I rest easy in the knowledge that, assuming CCP enforced their EULA, those people got banned and I'm still playing.

True, the 23K/ Caldari Fuel Block is a spike, which will likely be absorbed with 36-48 hours.
But the 800 ISK/unit of Nitrogen Isotopes is more systemic, based on the Goon supported interdiction of all ice mining in about 5 Caldari regions.

And like I said, I personally am fine with this, as I prepared.
I am just generally angry with the goon's ability and enjoyment of destroying the game for many.

Given that they plan on completely controlling the next CSM, I recognize that this current asshattery is child's play compared to what they will have in store once they have total control of CCP's ear.

That is what burns me more than anything else.

I have chars in high sec, I have chars in null sec, I have had chars living in wh's.
All forms of playstyle in the the game are viable choices and cater to various real life personalities and time constraints of players.

Unfortunately, the high sec style of play will be made extinct if goons and the other null sec alliances have their way, which is become increasing likely given their control of the CSM.

Did you seriously just compare Goons to Highsec Gankbears?

Do you cry like this when you lose at Rummy, too? Gin? How about Checkers?

It's amazing that people would pay to play a game with allegedly barf-inducing neckbeards who they claim to hate.

Makes you wonder whose brain looks more like the BB, huh?

The irony of this thread is that the price of ice did not sky rocket untill EN24 ran its little article. So, if you want to curse a name, it should be them.

this was a pump&dump riverini scam

Pubbies scamming pubbies.

I am sure the tears of the shortsighted that did not stock up on Nitrogen Isotopes will fuel you for quite some time.

Caldari fuel blocks are currently selling for 23K in Jita.
Granted, this is mostly due to market manipulation today, but nonetheless, current costs to run a large Caldari POS now stand at 664M/month using that 23K/fuel block price.

It does not concern me much, since I stocked up to establish a buffer.
But I am sure there are many budding industrialists you are ruining.

Well played.

I just wish I could understand what kind of mind Goon leadership must have to derive enjoyment in destroying the enjoyment for many others in this game.

Actually, it is pretty clear. Goon leadership are sociopaths.
It really does not matter that "Eve is just a game, and it is a sandbox".

Though it is quite impossible to do, it would be extremely interesting to have professional clinical psychologists study Goon leaders in and out of game, and compare their real world lifestyle with that of their Eve game style.

I personally believe that the correlation would be extremely high.

I would vouch for the exact opposite. People who have no influence or executive power over others (no regard for the title or standing) tend to be more abusive or tyrannic when in a situation in which they can get away with it.

Chances are that further research would indicate many submitted, repressed individuals in real life.