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Wot Dragon
Miners Of Moria Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.03.02 12:09:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote: There was a problem with the Launcher such that when it updated itself, it would start with the MS-DOS style short path name. This would mean that if your game was installed at C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE the game would boot with C:\PROGRA~2\CCP\EVE instead, thereby creating a new settings/cache folder. Closing the Launcher and restarting it would fix the issue for the next run, however.
There are an error with setting/cache folder: launcher use g_games_eve-test_87.237.38.50 but direct shortcut with "eve.exe /server:Singularity" use g_games_eve-test_singularity folder.
And launcher still ask admin login when patching. But other looks ok. Win XP SP3. Win7 will be cheked later
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
208
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Posted - 2012.03.02 15:12:00 -
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As the launcher soft ware changes stuff like usability needs to be looked at. The file in the main eve directory to install the new launcher needs to be diffrent then the name in the launcher file it creates.
ie.
The launcher.exe in the main eve folder needs to be named launcher-installer. Its currently setup to run a install program each time. Which adds to the delay of start up if you only see that file to create a short cut and use it to run the launcher.
The launcher.exe in the laucher folder, when used to creat a short cut, launches the launcher without installing the laucher again. It will be interesting when the next patch comes out what changes are made and if the structure of the files changes again and how it installs a new version of itself. |
SemiCharmed
Clans of the Sanctums Quantum Decadence
1
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:04:00 -
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I am very pleased we are getting a launcher for EvE-Online it's a huge gap that is being filled.
My only suggestion's are while a patch is updating we have the option to pause the update manually so that we can close the launcher and resume at a later time if needed.
I dont know if the launcher at the moment will save current download progress if say the PC crashes or is closed as i dont really want to test that right in the middle of a large download :p |
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CCP Cascade
62
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Posted - 2012.03.03 05:48:00 -
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SemiCharmed wrote:I dont know if the launcher at the moment will save current download progress if say the PC crashes or is closed as i dont really want to test that right in the middle of a large download :p
It does! Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:19:00 -
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Just as a reminder, please take a look at Macintosh issues regarding the Launcher. Have any Macintosh users been able to get onto Singularity without Boot Camp or emulation since the March 1 patch? Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke.
I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE |
JohnnyRingo
TunDraGon
6
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:18:00 -
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Looks ok, but seriously if you take a big sh*t on multiboxing i will quit playing this game, im already using junctions for multiple window sizes and settings and its a pain as it is updating all those clients already, so you have great potential for making this launcher a good multibox "manager" so please dont f*ck it up.
PS. Fix the damn overview. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
209
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:22:00 -
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JohnnyRingo wrote:Looks ok, but seriously if you take a big sh*t on multiboxing i will quit playing this game, im already using junctions for multiple window sizes and settings and its a pain as it is updating all those clients already, so you have great potential for making this launcher a good multibox "manager" so please dont f*ck it up.
PS. Fix the damn overview. What issues are you having with the current overview? The improvements not to your liking? |
Alastar Frost
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2012.03.04 16:23:00 -
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One concern i have with the current patching system: When it downloaded the ingame part and closes the client for the patch, it seems to change the updater binary. This causes my antivirus/firewall to ask for a new permission to access the internet for the updater, which results in a timout for the downloading of the payload data (payload can not be found). This step doesnt seem to have a retry function, so i have to abort the whole patching process and run the repair tool (which may or may not take longer than just applying the patch).
It would be great if the new patcher would retry constantly at every step that may be interrupted by a antivirus/firewall to avoid the nessecity to repair the client. If that is already in the package, count this issue as void
It is hard to test that case on sisi, as it doesnt happen all the time and i dont have a large number of unpatched clients to try it out, i also dont know when the patcher binaries are changed (the case where the antivir/firewall interrupts the download) and when they stay the same. So this is a case only you can check. Try using a antivir/firewall on paranoid mode, that always tries to ask for permission when it is possible. |
Meolyne
los tabarnakos
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:01:00 -
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First : I never use launchers, because i found these absolutely useless and wasting time.
Second : when you have a crash, the goal is to get back in Eve as fast as possible
Third : go try StarTrek Online and tell me about their launcher. oh yes, it looks like eve's one with a text wall unreadable and a big "Engage" (Or launch, same). Checking for update every time in case of. but, in STO, you can't die really nor loose stuff. For a Sci-Fi game with a "Greece Market Extension" it's not really smart the way it's done.
don't force ppl to start eve via a launcher. Plus if you're "unsupported and " multi boxing, eve launcher will start on screen 1, so behind the first launched instance by example. and there we go with Alt-Tabbing, hope you don't have more than 1Gb of ram and only Eve running.
Again i'm really against. Ok you could use the launcher when there is a patch like Chuck Norris's Game. (not wise to say the name here) Why Eve can't launch its own launcher for updating ? Meh...
And no, i'm not multiboxing STO nor SWTOR. ;)
PS : But no i ain't any bug yet. but arrrghhh, a launcher ! |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
102
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:12:00 -
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Salpun wrote:As the launcher soft ware changes stuff like usability needs to be looked at. The file in the main eve directory to install the new launcher needs to be diffrent then the name in the launcher file it creates.
ie.
The launcher.exe in the main eve folder needs to be named launcher-installer. Its currently setup to run a install program each time. Which adds to the delay of start up if you only see that file to create a short cut and use it to run the launcher.
The launcher.exe in the laucher folder, when used to creat a short cut, launches the launcher without installing the laucher again. It will be interesting when the next patch comes out what changes are made and if the structure of the files changes again and how it installs a new version of itself. The only time it runs that launcher installer is when an update is needed for the Launcher itself. I was actually going over the text in the updater on Friday to get them all translated. I'd love to hear your opinions on what you think needs changing elsewhere in the UI though. Software Engineer, Core Infrastructure, Team Special Circumstances |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
210
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:27:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Salpun wrote:As the launcher soft ware changes stuff like usability needs to be looked at. The file in the main eve directory to install the new launcher needs to be diffrent then the name in the launcher file it creates.
ie.
The launcher.exe in the main eve folder needs to be named launcher-installer. Its currently setup to run a install program each time. Which adds to the delay of start up if you only see that file to create a short cut and use it to run the launcher.
The launcher.exe in the laucher folder, when used to creat a short cut, launches the launcher without installing the laucher again. It will be interesting when the next patch comes out what changes are made and if the structure of the files changes again and how it installs a new version of itself. The only time it runs that launcher installer is when an update is needed for the Launcher itself. I was actually going over the text in the updater on Friday to get them all translated. I'd love to hear your opinions on what you think needs changing elsewhere in the UI though. As Sisi is down for patching ill just wait until its back up again to give any more feed back
The second thing I am going to do after I up date the build using the in folder exe short cut, is to use my other main sisi folder short cut to see if it still has the same fuctionality.
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Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
39
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:39:00 -
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For some reason the launcher keeps coming up Tranquility for me.
Needless to say it won't actually start at that point.
wine C:/Program\ Files/CCP/Singularity/eve.exe /server:singularity
Yes, I know there's a Linux forum, but this is only a Singularity issue with the launcher, so posting here. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
210
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:46:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:For some reason the launcher keeps coming up Tranquility for me.
Needless to say it won't actually start at that point.
wine C:/Program\ Files/CCP/Singularity/eve.exe /server:singularity
Yes, I know there's a Linux forum, but this is only a Singularity issue with the launcher, so posting here. Does it lauch TQ or show the stats? Even if it shows stats its directed at Sisi. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
210
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:02:00 -
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Salpun wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:[quote=Salpun]As the launcher soft ware changes stuff like usability needs to be looked at. The file in the main eve directory to install the new launcher needs to be diffrent then the name in the launcher file it creates.
ie.
The launcher.exe in the main eve folder needs to be named launcher-installer. Its currently setup to run a install program each time. Which adds to the delay of start up if you only see that file to create a short cut and use it to run the launcher.
The launcher.exe in the laucher folder, when used to creat a short cut, launches the launcher without installing the laucher again. It will be interesting when the next patch comes out what changes are made and if the structure of the files changes again and how it installs a new version of itself. The only time it runs that launcher installer is when an update is needed for the Launcher itself. I was actually going over the text in the updater on Friday to get them all translated. I'd love to hear your opinions on what you think needs changing elsewhere in the UI though. As Sisi is down for patching ill just wait until its back up again to give any more feed back
The second thing I am going to do after I up date the build using the in folder exe short cut, is to use my other main sisi folder short cut to see if it still has the same fuctionality.
New build only updatable using sisi launcher. Short cuts did not update launcher and did not start sisi update until launched and canceled the sisi launcher update. Same version of the launcher.[/quote
Update
New version still runs the update proccess every time if you link off the launcher exe in the main eve folder.
There is still not an option to reenable the launcher from inside the client. Makes testing annoying
The options menu is better.
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CCP Cascade
64
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:31:00 -
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Salpun wrote: New version still runs the update proccess every time if you link off the launcher exe in the main eve folder.
I am not entirely sure I understand what you mean here. Can you elaborate a bit?
Salpun wrote:There is still not an option to reenable the launcher from inside the client. Makes testing annoying
We have plans to put in a shortcut called "Force Launcher" or something similar that people can run to start up the Launcher. In the meantime you can go into the \launcher\cache folder and delete settings.yaml to restore any settings you have done.
Salpun wrote: The options menu is better.
Good to hear you like it! Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
210
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:41:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:Salpun wrote: New version still runs the update proccess every time if you link off the launcher exe in the main eve folder.
I am not entirely sure I understand what you mean here. Can you elaborate a bit?
Good to hear you like it![/quote]
Setting up short cuts to use the launcher I have two exe's to link to. There are two launcher exe files in my Sisi folder one is in the main folder and one is in the launcher folder.
The launcher exe in the main eve folder runs the update check every time and wipes any setting that are linked to that short cut.
If you link the launcher exe in the launcher folder It works properly. But there is not a launcher short cut that can just be copied and pasted on to the desktop.
It will be replaced with the eve online or sisi main short cut in time but its going to be an issue if you use the wrong exe file when you do it.
Also the short cuts did not up date this time. Maybe the new version of the laucher is smoother but I had to use the sisi laucher to update this time around. |
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CCP Cascade
64
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:13:00 -
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Hi,
Over the last month or so we have been going between multiple different ways of starting the Launcher, so all the shortcuts you see in the folder are most likely made by yourself or created when we were still testing some things out.
If you do a fresh install of the Singularity client you will see that none of the shortcuts are still there.
The way you should start the Launcher and the client is like you have always done it, by starting eve.exe or having a shortcut to eve.exe.
The sisi launcher is no longer supported and shouldn't be used anymore.
I hope that clears things out. Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
210
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Posted - 2012.03.05 18:37:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:Hi,
Over the last month or so we have been going between multiple different ways of starting the Launcher, so all the shortcuts you see in the folder are most likely made by yourself or created when we were still testing some things out.
If you do a fresh install of the Singularity client you will see that none of the shortcuts are still there.
The way you should start the Launcher and the client is like you have always done it, by starting eve.exe or having a shortcut to eve.exe.
The sisi launcher is no longer supported and shouldn't be used anymore.
I hope that clears things out.
Okay all is good after clearing out and reinstalling the Sisi patches.
When you select another language and go back to english. It locks the launcher and goes in to Offline mode. The "restart "launcer" needs a H and the launcher does not restart when the blue text is clicked.
When is the Sisi option going to be included in the launcher?
QA is still asking for logging while trouble shooting issues. Not having it start on log in to Sisi is a step back in functionality. |
Seismic Stan
54
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Posted - 2012.03.06 07:25:00 -
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I had some issues last night with attempt to "show info" on any item causing a client crash. I attempted to fix my Singularity client using the Launcher-based repair tool, but this resulted in my SiSi client install being patched to be compatible with Tranquility.
I ran the old, unsupported SiSi Updater tool and it reverted my install to SiSi (on the second attempt), but the "show info" crash remains. Blogger on Freebooted. Co-Creator of Tech4 podcast and website. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Yerik Locke
Silver. Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 08:47:00 -
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Hallo!
Yay for newness. :) My thoughts:
I like it because: it makes patching a seamless process, even more so than the previous patcher [only had a few "confusion spots," but overall it was pretty good.] It makes patching and launching feel very connected, which is awesome. It's also easier on resources... not a bad added-bonus.
My criticisms: Personally, and this is -just- my opinion, but I don't like the "MMO" style of it. It doesn't look bad, but it doesn't stand out as much as it could. I'm not sure exactly how to explain that, but when I think of Eve, I think of striking, clean, minimal, and dark.
While the new launcher isn't ugly, by any standard, it doesn't strike me as... Eve. It strikes me more as Sins of a Solar Empire. What would really make it stand out is a clean, minimal, futuristic [but more to the point -- contemporary] design. European design has always drawn from this theory; probably dating back to the Bauhaus stylistic approach, and Swiss type styles. Clean, slick, solid. That's what I think of when I think of Eve. I think of "damn, that just looks awesome." It's getting there; the transparent black windows are awesome, but right now the buttons/amount of colors/complex background, it just looks kind of nice. I guess to sum up my whole rambling, it could just be pushed a little more.
That said, I know artists are hard workers [I'm a designer -- and even though we get to draw pretty pictures all day, mathematicians and engineers, they're damn stressful pretty pictures] and they should be proud of it, and not everyone is going to agree. So, bazinga to me
Yerik
Ps -- Rock on, I really look up to you guys! |
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CCP Cascade
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Posted - 2012.03.06 10:20:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:I had some issues last night with attempt to "show info" on any item causing a client crash.
This is totally unrelated to the Launcher, but more info regarding this crash would be useful, please send in a bug report.
Quote:Yerik
Ps -- Rock on, I really look up to you guys!
Thanks for the feedback Yerik, I'll make sure to forward this to the design team! Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.03.06 10:46:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:I had some issues last night with attempt to "show info" on any item causing a client crash. This is totally unrelated to the Launcher, but more info regarding this crash would be useful, please send in a bug report.
Yeah, I was mentioning it here more for the Launcher repair shenanigans than the "show info" bug. The bug reporting links in-game lead to Tranquility-related bug-report pages. Is there a separate location for reportage of SiSi bugs or should I just mention SiSi in a TQ bug report? Blogger on Freebooted. Co-Creator of Tech4 podcast and website. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
2
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Posted - 2012.03.06 11:12:00 -
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When you create a new state of the art launcher please implement character switching on your account without being forced to log out/in every time you want to. That is such a pain.
Also the animations in the old launcher for every major update were quite fun to watch. Right now the launcher feels a little too static. |
Boltzy Tsero
3
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:14:00 -
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Not sure is any of this has been mentioned before but...
Surely the point of a luancher should be (for example) Character selection (as well as patch updates) Are there any plans to introduce this so as not to have character selection pop up when the Client loads? Other wise is seems a little pointless.
On the flip side of that, (as mentioned above by Azure Moonlight) are there any plans to introduce a function ingame to actually SWITCH to a different character (on the same account) without having to close the client and re-launching it? This type of functionality would seem more useful and be of more benefit.
Discuss! :) |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
213
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:28:00 -
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so does this patch multiple installs of eve on the same pc yet? CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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XiaJia
HamsterDam INC
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:35:00 -
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I just downloaded and installed a fresh Singularity install and it has the patch 28 in the end. When I launch eve.exe, the launcher opens and wants to update it to Tranquility patch :/ is that normal or? |
Teddi L0ve
HamsterDam INC
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:01:00 -
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I have the same problem. I copyd the game and changed the shortcot to /server:Singularity and after patch I go to tranquility. then I got fresh singularity instal and it's the same =/ |
soliddeath warriortribe
HamsterDam INC
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:02:00 -
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I just downloaded and installed a fresh Singularity install and it has the patch 28 in the end. When I launch eve.exe, the launcher opens and wants to update it to Tranquility patch.....
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Meadowvale
0rder of the Golden Dawn Etherium Cartel
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:37:00 -
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WTF!! UTC 8am - check Sisi - launch ok UTC 1815 - check Sisi - launcher updates 344784-347628 - opens on TQ reset Singularity shortcut to /server:Singularity - game retro updates 347628-344784 - opens in TQ come on CCP, there's a mass test tomorrow - no Sisi access = no mass test |
Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
41
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:18:00 -
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soliddeath warriortribe wrote:I just downloaded and installed a fresh Singularity install and it has the patch 28 in the end. When I launch eve.exe, the launcher opens and wants to update it to Tranquility patch..... Just start the launcher directly: launcher.exe /server:singularity
Or the exefile - directly: EVE\bin\ExeFile.exe /nosplash /noconsole /server:singularity |
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