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FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:33:00 - [1] I just got into a Hulk for my 2nd account and was mining in 0.0. I had 1st brought in my Dominix and was tanking the belt successfully for hours, then all of a sudden the same rats ( same ships and same types ) just start attacking the Hulk out of no where. Is this some sort of glitch??
Savant Hayt The Reich	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:34:00 - [2] Sounds like a feature to discourage belt tanking.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:36:00 - [3] good heavens the rats did something intelligent! generally its a good idea to tank stuff, also probably a good idea to put some remote rep stuff on the domi
FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:38:00 - [4] i filed a petition with CCP..... it seems wrong that the hulk should have been targeted, at least based on my experience with running CORP mining ops.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:40:00 - [5] I gaze into my crystal ball and see no sympathy and much anger coming your way about raising a petition because you couldn't AFK mine in 0.0 -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Mihailo Great GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:40:00 - [6] I thought they started doing this since trinity 1.0 ?
FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Bistot Kid I gaze into my crystal ball and see no sympathy and much anger coming your way about raising a petition because you couldn't AFK mine in 0.0 IF AFK means sitting at a computer NEXT to the computer mining, then im guilty as charged. Once the tank was running and working, my only concern was watching for War Targets in system...
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:42:00 - [8] What has the world come to?! The hulks! They're not safe anywhere! Boink!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:44:00 - [9] or the spawn respawned and targeted your Hulk. Did you even look at the screen when it happened or did you simply get back to a Hulk wreck? Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:45:00 - [10] What makes this even MORE BS is that 0.0 pilots actually work there ass off to make ISK in the area ( by losing x number of ships in PVP as a starter ) having the rats switch targets at random seems only a dig to 0.0 pilots, as any 3 month old char ( or younger ) can EASILY tank any damage in high sec, or just sit in 1.0 systems and farm TRIT all damn day
FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Chribba or the spawn respawned and targeted your Hulk. Did you even look at the screen when it happened or did you simply get back to a Hulk wreck? I have 2 screens on my desktop, the screen to the left had EVE running. I started watching the shields drop, i starting to warp out to the aligned station but by that time i was halfway to structure then boom.
11111010101 Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:52:00 - [12] haaaaa CCP can you bring concord into 0.0 so i can be safe....... oups concord doesn't even protect me in high sec!!! haaaaaaaaaa !!!!!! where the heck the world is going ?!?!?!? yes, that was a troll, move on
Dread Phantom Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:55:00 - [13] Waaa my exploit stoped working
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:04:00 - [14] Originally by: FalconsFury I just got into a Hulk for my 2nd account and was mining in 0.0. I had 1st brought in my Dominix and was tanking the belt successfully for hours, then all of a sudden the same rats ( same ships and same types ) just start attacking the Hulk out of no where. Is this some sort of glitch?? ....pay attention and you wont lose your ship? This is CCP's way of telling the miners "STOP AFKING, WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO AFK MINE" ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Khanid Kutie ....pay attention and you wont lose your ship? This is CCP's way of telling the miners "STOP AFKING, WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO AFK MINE" And whats CCP's way of stopping Macro Miners? making 1.0 space rat free AND full of tons and tons of TRIT?
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:09:00 - [16] There's VERY few spawns that can take down a properly tanked hulk. Lesson learned, next time spend a few iskies for a nice rack of mids for your hulk. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
ARX NG Gravis Corp Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:15:00 - [17] hmm, a few days ago the rats switched targets from me to my drones O.o
PR Hough Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:20:00 - [18] Posting in thread
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Mavericks	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:27:00 - [19] Op... you fail. CCP has stated that rats are going to start switching targets already. ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:36:00 - [20] wait... wait.... man, ..what? So, you had a Hulk and a Dominix in a belt and there were Rats shooting the Dominix.. shouldn't you have like, blown them up? Or were you thinking that if you just hold them like that then nothing NASTIER will spawn? You should have just blown them up man. Were you just sitting there with a finger up your ass? Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:44:00 - [21] Originally by: FalconsFury I just got into a Hulk for my 2nd account and was mining in 0.0. I had 1st brought in my Dominix and was tanking the belt successfully for hours, then all of a sudden the same rats ( same ships and same types ) just start attacking the Hulk out of no where. Is this some sort of glitch?? Nope it can happen, especially if your tank led the rats quite far from the respawn point. Elite Frigate rats are especially fickle when it comes to retargeting. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:47:00 - [22] Originally by: FalconsFury I just got into a Hulk for my 2nd account and was mining in 0.0. I had 1st brought in my Dominix and was tanking the belt successfully for hours, then all of a sudden the same rats ( same ships and same types ) just start attacking the Hulk out of no where. \o/ Originally by: Some Miner Wot Lost his Ship Is this some sort of glitch?? I hope not. It's about time CCP added a little intelligence to rats. I long for the day they do it to mission rats as well -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
William Darkk Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:29:00 - [23] Edited by: William Darkk on 24/03/2008 19:29:12 Originally by: Andrue long for the day they do it to mission rats as well I hope they buff drone HP first, that is gonna be annoying for Domi pilots like me. ------------------------------------------------- Mac Graphics Performance Guide <3 my Drones
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:31:00 - [24] I just LOLLED!!! Why didn't u add some remote shieldboosters to that domi and have it remote boost the hulk? _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Turin Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Op... you fail. CCP has stated that rats are going to start switching targets already. Please show me the blog or dev post that stats this? _________________________________
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:46:00 - [26] Learn to setup a tank on a Hulk. It's not that hard.
Torquemanda Corteaz Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:48:00 - [27] belt npcs have been known on occasion to do such a thing, they've done it to my poor wittle drones before
FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Learn to setup a tank on a Hulk. It's not that hard. yea i know, but i was hoping to use the DOMI till i had the skills to tank the hulk with..
Billy Sastard Life. Universe. Everything. Rejuvenate	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Benco97 wait... wait.... man, ..what? So, you had a Hulk and a Dominix in a belt and there were Rats shooting the Dominix.. shouldn't you have like, blown them up? Or were you thinking that if you just hold them like that then nothing NASTIER will spawn? You should have just blown them up man. Were you just sitting there with a finger up your ass? This is actually a common technique for mining in 0.0. .. However, the rats WILL change target after a while, the best way to avoid this that i have found is to tank the rats at one end of the belt and mine at the other, try to stay like 100-150km away if you can. -=^=-
Scout McAlt State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:13:00 - [30] I do know that there is a group running about empire ECMing rats belonging to afk mining tankers.
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:17:00 - [31] Or you could try putting shield hardeners and shield rigs on your hulk so it can tank the rats all by itself. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Or you could try putting shield hardeners and shield rigs on your hulk so it can tank the rats all by itself. But he said he doesn't have the l33t skillz for that yet. I also find it funny he was doing this is a system that had war targets in it.
FalconsFury Hammer Of Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Arthur Frayn Or you could try putting shield hardeners and shield rigs on your hulk so it can tank the rats all by itself. But he said he doesn't have the l33t skillz for that yet. I also find it funny he was doing this is a system that had war targets in it. there werent any war targets in the system at the time... that being said, Vale has been under constant attack from MC then TRI
Gimpb Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:35:00 - [34] Originally by: ARX NG hmm, a few days ago the rats switched targets from me to my drones O.o Yeah, still getting used to this change, have lost quite a few drones in the last week by not paying attention. :(
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:00:00 - [35] Originally by: FalconsFury Originally by: Khanid Kutie ....pay attention and you wont lose your ship? This is CCP's way of telling the miners "STOP AFKING, WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO AFK MINE" And whats CCP's way of stopping Macro Miners? making 1.0 space rat free AND full of tons and tons of TRIT? are you dumb to what goons are doing in high sec? So because you want to mine with no problems in 0.0 space, CCP must change the rats for you? pay attention, instead of doing homework or jerking off while you mine. ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Scruffy Jed Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:03:00 - [36] Your hulk deserved to die. Are you going to quit too, now? Furthermore,
SiJira Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:06:00 - [37] 0.0 carebears Trashed sig, Shark was here
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:22:00 - [38] rats have been unstable since i went to 0.0 which was 2 years ago... best way to "tank" a belt is to bring 1 carrier/logistics ship to be on watch and shield transfer the hulks if **** goes rough.
Twin blade The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:33:00 - [39] OMG i am not safe in 0.0 when not looking at the screen CCP save me i lost a hulk for been lazy. It could of been a player and lost both ships just be happy you only lost a Hulk could of lost both and the pod's next time you will watch the screen. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:02:00 - [40] Originally by: FalconsFury I just got into a Hulk for my 2nd account and was mining in 0.0. To teh locator agents!!! Wait, you are in Hydra. Well then we all know where you live and are all not suprised. Maybe your alliance should train you before just letting you into 0.0 when you obviously have no clue how to play this game.
Declan Intaki JOMON Corp	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:06:00 - [41] I am absolutely shocked that you petitioned this!! No wonder the rest of us have to wait weeks for legitimate lost ship petitions to be processed....
III LightBringer Okkelen Grave Robbers	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:33:00 - [42] Originally by: FalconsFury I just got into a Hulk for my 2nd account and was mining in 0.0. I had 1st brought in my Dominix and was tanking the belt successfully for hours, then all of a sudden the same rats ( same ships and same types ) just start attacking the Hulk out of no where. Is this some sort of glitch?? No. This is not a glitch It is actually quite normal. Rare, but normal. And to petition it? Holy ****. You really did get what you deserved. A dead hulk.
krenshala Radikus Industries The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:52:00 - [43] It is not a glitch, it is AI decision making. "Hmmm ... that player hasn't hurt my fleet, and is hard to kill. I'll come back to him after I've popped his gun toting friends that are more squishy!" This happened to me in a few level 4 missions recently. I wasn't shooting at the rats (combat salvage for the fun!) so, eventually, they stopped shooting at me to go after the "armed" guys in the fleet.
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:53:00 - [44] Originally by: FalconsFury Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Arthur Frayn Or you could try putting shield hardeners and shield rigs on your hulk so it can tank the rats all by itself. But he said he doesn't have the l33t skillz for that yet. I also find it funny he was doing this is a system that had war targets in it. there werent any war targets in the system at the time... I'm still not surprised you lost your Hulk. No offense intended, but I've flown alongside Hydra before and my opinion is that you guys couldn't organise a pi$$-up in a brewery without screwing it up. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Arthur Frayn ...you guys couldn't organise a pi$$-up in a brewery without screwing it up. On the other hand, isn't that kind of the point of having a pi$$-up?
Arthur Frayn	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Arthur Frayn ...you guys couldn't organise a pi$$-up in a brewery without screwing it up. On the other hand, isn't that kind of the point of having a pi$$-up? That's my point. They'd try, but they'd end up eating raw hops instead and start vomiting everywhere. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Tippia	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Arthur Frayn That's my point. They'd try, but they'd end up eating raw hops instead and start vomiting everywhere. Weeell... the results would be much the same - only the way of getting there would differ.
Arthur Frayn	Posted - 2008.03.24 23:06:00 - [48] I don't mean to be a total jerk about it, but setting up an alt to fly a hulk with no tanking skills in 0.0 is a recipe for fail with extra ffs on the side. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.25 10:56:00 - [49] Edited by: cal nereus on 25/03/2008 10:58:32 Using a single ship like a Dominix as a tank in a belt so that mining barges and exhumers can mine at their leisure is a very common tactic. Simple, easy, just requires one character being in a tanky ship at the belt and getting all the rats to aggro it. In this case, keeping the rats alive is supposed to be smarter than killing them. However, with rats switching targets, the tank's role needs to adapt. Instead of just acting as the designated tank to take damage, it must also consider other options for keeping a mining ship alive until it warps out, then wait for aggro to shift back to the designated tank. A tanked Hulk can handle most spawns, even in 0.0, but sometimes something happens, and something explodes. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Anita Pakonen Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:46:00 - [50] Rats have been randomly changing targets for some time already.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Declan Intaki I am absolutely shocked that you petitioned this!! No wonder the rest of us have to wait weeks for legitimate lost ship petitions to be processed.... Yeah damn straight. Originally by: Turin Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Op... you fail. CCP has stated that rats are going to start switching targets already. Please show me the blog or dev post that stats this? I remember hearing about this somewhere too. I think it was around the last patch. No link sorry. Try the tourny links, might be in there. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Carinus State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:16:00 - [52] Imagine if all rats had the AI of the ones in level 4 Worlds Collide. I think that's where pirate factions send their mentally challenged pilots. The AI is so bad in fact it makes the mission HARDER rofl!

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