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Zerena Draco Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:12:58 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:11:25 This aint whining its just some thoughts that might get some people on this godforsaken forum to act different. Its sad to say that while EVE is a damn good universe/community to be a part of, thats not the case with EVE forum All the constant whining, 10+ threads at least /day about same suicide gankings, nano issues, blob fights, etc... Worst of all all these threads got at max two constructive post for every 20 posts that are made in these threads. Many of these threads would be alot more interesting to read through without all the trolling oneliners... (perhaps we would have fewer threads to when people start to answer opinions with constructive feedback) And to all those talking about dark world its true but its still not a Anarchy online so dont condemn players for expressing their opinion by messing up their threads. Next interesting discovery is that: Some veterans proudly smack into newbies that higher SP doesnt matter and that anyone with a rifter and a smart sense can start pvping in lowsec if they just learn the mechanics... "harr, harr" "anyone even tried that recently I can say the newbie space is filled with old veterans tired of 0.0 space looking for some easy pew pew stealing newbies loot to get them to start a fight" At the same time you can find these veterans defending every last SP to the death and you usually find them under topics as "remove Achura race" etc... "kinda strange isnt it" To be blunt no one likes to be behind irl or ingame and while older player got a huge advantage with their SP yea its "huge!" even if it depends on area choosen "industrial, bussiness or warfare..." they still try to convince every new player that isnt the case. I dont condemn the SP advantage since its game mechanics I feel fit with EVE perspective but dont feed the community with lies. Players focused on PvE or PvP both need to stop telling eachother how to play and instead help the CCP balancing the game so they can interact without ruining the fun for eachother. Note: this doesnt mean that I want highsec to be safe far from it ! There is imbalance in the game mechanics and most is around risk/reward issue. To name a few of them: * Lvl 4 missioning is just low risk with great rewards. = (inflation! 1bn isnt that much anymore) * Suicide ganking is low risk with usually great or sometime "extreme" rewards. (plus a helluva more fun than grinding missions) * Lowsec "highrisk even if it varies alot depending on area" vs quite low reward. Crazy ideas to fix some of the issues... * No rat bounty on missions but throw in a few rare faction spawns into missions. * Less asteroids belts in highsec let players explore with ship scanner or alike for highsec asteroid belts * Make concord tankable again but make their reaction time and amount of ships be decided from sec status of the villain * No insurance payout on ships when getting concorded. Well a few points not gonna flame more over the forums since part like guides and information regarding the game you can find in massive amount...
facepalm johnson Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:16:00 - [2] Too long, only read a bit. Jazz up your rhetoric, soldier!
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:17:00 - [3] A forum full of whines and crazy ideas is much better than an empty forum because no-one cares anymore. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
carol rassmussen State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:18:00 - [4] summary plz
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Zerena Draco This aint whining its just some thoughts that might get some people on this godforsaken forum to act different. Yes it is and no it wont. -----
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Zerena Draco This aint whining its just some thoughts that might get some people on this godforsaken forum to act different. Yes it is and no it wont. QFT There was a time it was a lot better. It's all you new players screwing it up. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:20:00 - [7] TLDR forum pvp
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:23:00 - [8] The EVE forums, like any forum, represent some of the best and some of the worst of the EVE community. The key to surviving is patience and thick skin. Mission Bounty Removal - It's been suggested before, I don't think that such a radical solution is required. Bounties need to be tuned down slightly but people need to be able to get faction goodies from powerful NPCs to even things out. Suicide Ganking - If anything is done, the security hit should increase the more one suicide ganks, increasing the turnaround time to get one's sec status back up if you make a habit of carrying them out Lowsec - That's a difficult problem to solve, but I've got some ideas and so does CCP ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.3 (Updated 3/24)
Gentle Bra State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:24:00 - [9] Can I haves urs stuffs?
Tuberider Pothouse Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:27:00 - [10] Answer = don't even read the forum if ya don't like it winner Can't afford the ransom ? We do accept poems in local for those short on isky, Subject of our choice
Heavyn Pegasus Reborn Research Corp 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:28:00 - [11] Sad thing is, people that like to flame and post idiotic crap instead of actually thinking and trying to make things better for everyone dont even read past the first sentence in most posts....I.E. "may I have your stuff', 'Your post is a fail'. Although there are a few poeple on the forums that acutally have ideas, and want things to get better...for pirate, carebear, ind, manu, mission runner...etc. for the most part, and this is typical for any games forums, most people think that since they pay the 15 bucks a month to play, they have final say in things...point is, nobody pays my sub but me, dont tell me how to play. Final word....have you noticed, that with a subscription lvl of 100k+, in Eve, that you always get the same 10 idiots posting flames.hmmmm Heavyn...one of the few people that actually think, and own their own computer Stalker...unfortunatly you arent as smart as me so I have to speak up.
Fink Angel The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Fink Angel on 26/03/2008 14:30:38 Luckily the forums are nothing like the game IMO. Don't know where most of you guys hang out in game, but luckily I must be about 60 jumps from any of you! Edit: Perhaps a limit on the number of threads anyone can start per month might make people think a bit more before they post. I dunno, but a handful of people seem to make most of the noise. Really, about 30 people make up 95% of posts.
Myros Glimmbrand Ganja Co	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:30:00 - [13] These forums have as many people whining about whiners as whiners themselves. Ok I guess now Im whining about whiners whining about whiners ... sheesh I have a headache ;p Boost is the new nerf.
Zerena Draco Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:32:54 Originally by: Heavyn Sad thing is, people that like to flame and post idiotic crap instead of actually thinking and trying to make things better for everyone dont even read past the first sentence in most posts....I.E. "may I have your stuff', 'Your post is a fail'. Although there are a few poeple on the forums that acutally have ideas, and want things to get better...for pirate, carebear, ind, manu, mission runner...etc. for the most part, and this is typical for any games forums, most people think that since they pay the 15 bucks a month to play, they have final say in things...point is, nobody pays my sub but me, dont tell me how to play. Final word....have you noticed, that with a subscription lvl of 100k+, in Eve, that you always get the same 10 idiots posting flames.hmmmm Heavyn...one of the few people that actually think, and own their own computer Totaly true ;)
L70Rogue State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:38:00 - [15] what are you guys talking about? this forum is probably one of the best gaming forums online. look at the WoW or SWG forums for the worst forums out there
SoftRevolution Complicity.	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Zerena Draco Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:30:37 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:20:21 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:12:58 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:11:25 This aint whining its just some thoughts that might get some people on this godforsaken forum to act different. Its sad to say that while EVE is a damn good universe/community to be a part of, thats not the case with EVE forum All the constant whining, 10+ threads at least /day about same suicide gankings, nano issues, blob fights, etc... Worst of all all these threads got at max two constructive post for every 20 posts that are made in these threads. Many of these threads would be alot more interesting to read through without all the trolling oneliners... (perhaps we would have fewer threads to when people start to answer opinions with constructive feedback) And to all those talking about dark world its true but its still not a Anarchy online so dont condemn players for expressing their opinion by messing up their threads. Next interesting discovery is that: Some veterans proudly smack into newbies that higher SP doesnt matter and that anyone with a rifter and a smart sense can start pvping in lowsec if they just learn the mechanics... "harr, harr" "anyone even tried that recently I can say the newbie space is filled with old veterans tired of 0.0 space looking for some easy pew pew stealing newbies loot to get them to start a fight" At the same time you can find these veterans defending every last SP to the death and you usually find them under topics as "remove Achura race" etc... "kinda strange isnt it" To be blunt no one likes to be behind irl or ingame and while older player got a huge advantage with their SP yea its "huge!" even if it depends on area choosen "industrial, bussiness or warfare..." they still try to convince every new player that isnt the case. I dont condemn the SP advantage since its game mechanics I feel fit with EVE perspective but dont feed the community with lies. Players focused on PvE or PvP both need to stop telling eachother how to play and instead help the CCP balancing the game so they can interact without ruining the fun for eachother. Note: this doesnt mean that I want highsec to be safe far from it ! There is imbalance in the game mechanics and most is around risk/reward issue. To name a few of them: * Lvl 4 missioning is just low risk with great rewards. = (inflation! 1bn isnt that much anymore) * Suicide ganking is low risk with usually great or sometime "extreme" rewards. (plus a helluva more fun than grinding missions) * Lowsec "highrisk even if it varies alot depending on area" vs quite low reward. Crazy ideas to fix some of the issues... * No rat bounty on missions but throw in a few "very rare" random faction spawns into missions. * Less asteroids belts in highsec let players explore with ship scanner or alike for highsec asteroid belts * Make concord tankable again but make their reaction time and amount of ships be decided from sec status of the villain * No insurance payout on ships when getting concorded. Well a few points not gonna flame more over the forums since part like guides and information regarding the game you can find in massive amount... //Summary * Stop telling other players how to play the game * Skip oneliners and give constructive feedback in "whining" threads * Dont tell bullxhit like SP doesnt matter it does alot period * Help CCP balance risk vs reward since the masses always going for the easy way out to earn ISK... Shut up. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Nomakai Delateriel Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:44:00 - [17] Originally by: L70Rogue what are you guys talking about? this forum is probably one of the best gaming forums online. look at the WoW or SWG forums for the worst forums out there The EVE forums are hardly the best, but hardly the worst either. If you're really looking for the worst community out there, try the Fallout forums. Now that's a crowd that's never happy about anything ("So you created this absolutely free module/mod which I'm not forced to install or play in any way? You git, you ruined everything and I hate you forever and ever and thus I'm going to smack you for as long as I live" might be an exaggerated version of the typical Fallout forum reply, but it's not too far from the truth). ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Mostly Amazing Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Zerena Draco * Make concord tankable again but make their reaction time and amount of ships be decided from sec status of the villain I like this idea :) This way i can go to 0.0 and rat and make lots of ISKies till im 5.0 sec status. Then i can come to empire for a few weeks and gank haulers in smaller ships than before since my high sec status only calls in a concord frigate and thus make even more millions without losing my ganking ship alltogether :) -------------- I R Not Completely Amazing, But I R Mostly Amazing
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:45:00 - [19] You never played Planetside, did you? I find these forums kind of tame...
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Zerena Draco Skipped the whine part, luckily you my friend are a tech 2 whiner and have a summary. Thanks a lot. //Summary * Stop telling other players how to play the game You just did that you hypocrit. Originally by: Zerena Draco * Skip oneliners and give constructive feedback in "whining" threads Constructive feedback to a whine? As if the whiner cares for anything others have to say unless it is another whine that supports their own. You high? The only constructive thing in a whine thread is to write the mods to close it down. Originally by: Zerena Draco * Dont tell bullxhit like SP doesnt matter it does alot period Fact: 2 noobs in two cruisers worth 20 mil ISK can own your ass if they have some affinity to PVP even if their total skill points is less than half yours and their gear is less than 10 percent in value compared to yours. Now it might sound like bullxhit to you, but it actually is a fact. EVE is not the game where being lvl60 makes you immune to anyone more than 5 levels below you. If it would be, goons would not stand a chance. Originally by: Zerena Draco * Help CCP balance risk vs reward since the masses always going for the easy way out to earn ISK... Masses always want reward with no risk. Help balance CCP? Like if the masses care. Do you think the game is unbalanced? Well as a matter of fact it is, but not where YOU think it is. People whine because they do not get their daily dosage for free. People whine because a bigger kid takes their candy. People whine because noone steps into their mouth for doing it repedeately. You want to help CCP balance? Go and join the CSM. Be prepared tho. Balancing does not equal taking what you do not like and adding what you do. Balancing requires you to step back and look at things from an outside perspective. The fact that you complain about people complaining about whining shows that you are either incapable of doing that or you just are a lousy hypocrit (yea, its a new word i learned and i love the cling of it). --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Zerena Draco This aint whining its just some thoughts that might get some people on this godforsaken forum to act different. Yes it is and no it wont. /thread Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:24:00 - [22] don't complain about all the whines and trolls and stupid posts on the EVE forums until you read the WoW forums... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
BiglipsMarie University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:22:00 - [23] The OP is funny because a) with all the broken formatting it looks like it was typed in a word processor and copy pasted into the forums b) Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:30:37 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:20:21 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:12:58 Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:11:25 a + b = lol
The Geoman Anarchos Industrial Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:29:00 - [24] The General Discussion forum of every game that I've played has been filled with trolls. Eve is no exception. There's just something about a general forum that brings out the bottom feeders in every game. Even for a game like WoW, which has one of the worst General forums, once you leave it and go to other subforums, the quality of the posts shoots up.
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Zerena Draco Worst of all all these threads got at max two constructive post for every 20 posts that are made in these threads. Many of these threads would be alot more interesting to read through without all the trolling oneliners... How ironic that this should be answered mostly by trolling oneliners. Of course the general discussion forum of every game is usually dire, but this forum is publicly viewable and if a prospective player were to browse by, I'm sure they won't be encouraged to play with the ways things are now. I can't expect the trolls to either mature or go away, but perhaps we could do with some better moderation.
Rexthor Hammerfists Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:56:00 - [26] I will dignify this with my post about BIRDS IN SPACE FLYING AROUND WITHOUT A SOUND, id like a bird no a chicken to beprecise because im hungry but im sitting here being too lazy to buy food so im gonna stay hungray until someone comes in and helps me out of my misery but i dont see that happening so ill ge up now and do it MYSELF MYSELF MYSELF. I wonna apologize for being this harsh on you op but you are a french, thank you for not reading this properly im sure you dont undertsnad me YOU NEVEr did and didnt even come close WHY YOU DID THIS IM NOT SURE BUT ILL GET BACK AT YOU THATS FOR CERTAIN viewer discretion advised you nubloid thatll teach ya -
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Andrue on 26/03/2008 17:01:44 Originally by: Zerena Draco Edited by: Zerena Draco on 26/03/2008 14:30:37 * Lvl 4 missioning is just low risk with great rewards. = (inflation! 1bn isnt that much anymore) There is no inflation. Read the dev blogs from our resident economist. What you have described above is just increased disposable income. That's a very different thing and although it can lead to inflation (which is bad) high DI on it's own is very, very good. Quote: Crazy ideas to fix some of the issues... * No rat bounty on missions but throw in a few "very rare" random faction spawns into missions. In other words nerf the mission runners. Cheers. You obviously don't run them at the moment. L4 averages around 15 to 20 mil an hour and most of that is the bounties. Quote: * Less asteroids belts in highsec let players explore with ship scanner or alike for highsec asteroid belts A good idea and one that CCP are apparently working on. Quote: * No insurance payout on ships when getting concorded. Maybe. Quote: * Stop telling other players how to play the game Yeah, just make the changes and to hell with everyone else - that's your style. Quote: Help CCP balance risk vs reward since the masses always going for the easy way out to earn ISK... What the masses will go for is fun. This is supposed to be a game not a second job. More disposable income means fewer concerns about losses and more fun. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Angela Toren Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:22:00 - [28] That's a nice poem _______ Originally by: CCP Mitnal Ee-e-e-um-um-a-weh A wimoweh, a-wimoweh a-wimoweh, a wimoweh
Krxon Blade Apogee Group	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:52:00 - [29] The Pyramid is strong in OP -- EVE offline game
Threv Echandari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 26/03/2008 18:08:07 Don't believe the Whines of Whining Whiners! Oh I know Anarchy Online, I've played Anarchy Online, and this sir is no Anarchy Online! Rabble rabble Carry on! Happiness is a Wet Pod

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