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White Tree
Broski Federation
Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:45:00 -
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Re: Change.
Nothing happens instantaneously. From what I've observed, changes implemented by precious CSMs don't tend to materialize until half a year or more after their election. It's a slow process, and while we all wish it could be faster, I'd prefer things be changed correctly as opposed to being done half-assed.
However, resource allocation in CCP appears to be a problem, and we'd all like to see that improved. |
Prince Kobol
27
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:49:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Re: Change.
Nothing happens instantaneously. From what I've observed, changes implemented by precious CSMs don't tend to materialize until half a year or more after their election. It's a slow process, and while we all wish it could be faster, I'd prefer things be changed correctly as opposed to being done half-assed.
However, resource allocation in CCP appears to be a problem, and we'd all like to see that improved.
Okay fair enough and completely understandable
So if you say is true, and that realistically we should expect any change for a while, perhaps a minimum of 6 months, why only after a couple of months is the CSM or is it just The Mittani, is attacking CCP so openly?
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
54
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:50:00 -
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I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been.
I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's.
I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected.
Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. |
Wressen
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:01:00 -
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War again Yeah!!!! Nice Puppy boss. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:05:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:I guess this is what happens when you foster a gaming community based on mistrust, conflict, and an anything goes environment. You get incredibly loyal fans that will turn on you like a pack of sharks as soon as things don't go their way anymore.
CCP's been wardecced by the Goons.
To CCP I say this:
"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose."
I really do think its a woeful mischaracterization of the situation to see this as "goon wardec" sure, one might say the goons were a bit late to the party on the jita-riots and earlier protest against NeX/MT in eve etc. But back then you had Mittani confidently telling his troops that flashy dresses in NeX stores wouldn't impact their Eve. What's changed is I think that Mittani has woken up to the fact that content delivery via Incarna/NeX is a horrendous corruption of the way Eve is supposed to work and it does directly threaten the development of the core game (as evidenced by the low dev numbers applied to core Eve development).
Whatever.
At the end of the day Eve Online needs to be saved by its players. It was a game that was made successful by its players, sustained by its players, promoted by its players and made famous in the gaming press by its players. CCP the company have been the beneficiaries of good PR from a loyal and impassioned gaming community for years and years now.
Now I think what we're seeing is the need for a palace coup inside CCP management so that the developers who are still impassioned and enthused by Eve online can get the resources they need to keep the game fresh and growing rather than consigned to the slow decline of static abandonment.
This does need to be a revolutionary change. If Eve currently has a handful of teams and couple of dozen devs applied to it out of the 600 employees of CCP then something has gone totally wrong and needs resolving in short order so the restorative influence can be felt in time to save the subscriber-base. CSM needs to see those numbers, and frankly they need to be communicated to the player base. We need to see change happening.
I'm sick and tired of hearing "We'd love to but we don't have the dev/art/production resources" in response to new feature and content requests from CCP.
This is a 600 man company and this is sole income source.
If you don't have the resources to keep this income source viable then get them.
Because if you don't solve this problem and keep Eve fresh and viable and get your community base back onside as enthusiastic supporters of CCP then I tell you something that your Marketing people should have already told the senior management.
There is a serious danger that WOD and DUST become poisoned brands contamined by the noteriety of your treatment of the Eve player base. For those products to have a chance of success you need to trade on the goodwill and passion of Eve players. Lose that positive influence (and see it turn negative) and making a commercial success of those projects will become much harder.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone
Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:06:00 -
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Seleene wrote:I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's. I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected.
Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead?
I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success.
In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
130
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:07:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:White Tree wrote:Re: Change.
Nothing happens instantaneously. From what I've observed, changes implemented by precious CSMs don't tend to materialize until half a year or more after their election. It's a slow process, and while we all wish it could be faster, I'd prefer things be changed correctly as opposed to being done half-assed.
However, resource allocation in CCP appears to be a problem, and we'd all like to see that improved. Okay fair enough and completely understandable So if you say is true, and that realistically we should expect any change for a while, perhaps a minimum of 6 months, why only after a couple of months is the CSM or is it just The Mittani, is attacking CCP so openly?
CSM-influenced Changes that occur within the first 6 months will tend to be the fruits of the previous CSM's labour.
An interesting implication of this effect is that CSMs will have an incentive to do push their best proposals early on and spend less effort on pushing CCP to implement changes from the previous CSM, and then spend the latter half of their terms in making fewer proposals and spending more effort in pushing CCP to implement their proposals.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
17
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:08:00 -
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Seleene wrote:I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's. I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected.
Rioting is my job Seleene :P
-Helicity Boson |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
130
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:10:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:Seleene wrote:I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's. I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected. Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead? I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success. In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex.
The counter to that argument is to point out to CCP that their customer base has been strongly hostile to MTs, and that studies also abound that show even more definitely that no MMO has survived an attempt to gain a new playerbase at the expense of ditching the current one.
In addition, no one will play EVE purely for the MTs. There has to be a reason to play at all, and if they neglect FiS, they won't have anyone who cares about buying MTs. If CCP want to sell MTs to EVE players, then it's strongly to their advantage to increase the number of players who actively log in and play the game.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
55
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:12:00 -
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CCP and the fanbois vs. trolls and bittervets.
Let the games begin. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
161
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:16:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:
Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead?
I'm not sure thats a fair assessment. Certainly there are limits to microtransactions and one of them is that players will only pay a limited amount for vanity. Fans of microtransactions in other games WANT game-impacting advantage so if you were to go by "what the reports say" surely that logic would lead to the pushing out of gold-missiles in Eve. Of course the indication there is that CCP would face a massive unsub-wave and outcry and don't want to risk that particularly because of the perilous stage in the development of their other games.
AnzacPaul wrote:I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success.
As I said, 1st problem with that these are not the extremely popular MT's of other games. They don't want to risk gold ammo + these are not traditional M(icro)T's either. MT's are downloadable civs for CIV5 or extra maps for MOW etc. Something I can buy for 1.99 and forget about. These NeX items are significant M(acro)T expenses for pure vanity and frankly whoever convinced CCP to try this is flying in a different reality to the rest of us.
Now yes, I could see the stubborn crazy icelandic ego pushing on just because they don't want to admit they are wrong though - so at some point you have to hope that somebody with some actual money invested and mortgage to pay goes and has a word with their lead producer and asks "why are you pissing off our golden geese with this craziness?"
AnzacPaul wrote:In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex.
Isn't that like a failing fast food join cranking up the price of its burgers to offset dropping sales? I can't see that strategy working for long.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
23
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:17:00 -
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Seleene wrote:I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's. I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected.
Your blog post is well written, but I think the unfortunate fact remains: CCP simply doesn't care. Consider 'who' is appealing to them to change course. For example a random sample:
The Mittani
Seleene
Jade Constantine
Roc Weiler
White Tree
Mynxee
Rodj Blake
Hardly unknown players. In fact these are examples of EVEs core, its most enthused and pro active and there are many more.
Now if CCP isnt prepared to listen to them who would it listen to?
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
54
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:18:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:Seleene wrote:I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's. I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected. Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead? I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success. In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex.
Dude, I would totally agree except for the fact that the NeX roll out is a complete joke. As it is, you cannot even buy something as simple (and OBVIOUS) as a pirate eye patch. Also, I want a pet slaver hound for my CQ. Then again, CCP's current pricing model would probably try to charge you 4500 AUR for the eye patch because, as we all know, eye patches are worth much more than two or three fully fit battleships, amirite?
If they really wanted to make money off of that stuff then it would all be priced lower and there would be dozens of items to choose from. They tried to do it too soon, with too little. If CCP wants to go to a non-subscription model then they are going to have to find a new way of thinking about how MT actually works.
Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
182
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:21:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:Seleene wrote:I don't think there is a war or a crusade going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible. Time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's. I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and a concerted effort by the CSM in pointing that out should be expected. Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead? I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success. In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex.
Every report also says that fantasy MMOs outsell SF ones, but I don't see anyone suggesting that CCP should introduce Elves into Eve.
The fact is that Eve has been the success that it has simply because it isn't what the marketing suits and the focus groups say it should be.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
121
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:27:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead? Cf. New Coke and the failure of the sip test modelGǪ 
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GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
23
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:27:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:
Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead?
If MT are not purchased then yes, at least in theory you could convince the company that MT are a poor revenue choice. The trouble being is that, in the short term, MT will probably generate a lot of new revenue for CCP - thus proving the model.
In the long term (obviously harder to predict) CCP may see some of its core supporters and players move away from EVE which in turn strips the game of its heart and it sinks into decline. MMOs need a 'critical mass' of ardent players to truly thrive and CCP may lose them.
I would suggest that CCP are counting upon their loyal core to remain and 'stick it out' with the expectation that they simply wont leave EVE. By dangling carrots of 'soon' features that tactic (as employed so far) could well work -at least until a new 'MT subscriber base' is in place at which point CCP can safely jettison the 'old guard'.
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
31
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:28:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:
Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead?
I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success.
In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex.
Every report told them this??
What about the reports of people unsubscribing?
What about the reports of people not logging in anymore?
These are the reports that should really matter to ccp. Not some yahoo who never ran a game for more than a year speculating what the gaming industry will look like in 10 years.
CCP has a successful business model with this game. For all the talk *very* few companies have managed to get that. CCP should put a huge value on not screwing it up. Therefore a huge burden of proof on those who would convince them they need to change this model. Nothing I have read or seen even remotely meets that burden.
If they continue to just try to make up for lost subscriptions by revenue from mt they will indeed run the game into the ground. It doesn't take a genius to see that.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
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J Kunjeh
55
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:28:00 -
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The Mittani mostly likes seeing his name in lights. That's mostly what his "protest" is about. He takes whichever side gets him the most publicity. Seriously, this man has more ego than I thought it was humanly possible to have.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
White Tree
Broski Federation
Elite Space Guild
178
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:28:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Okay fair enough and completely understandable
So if you say is true, and that realistically we should expect any change for a while, perhaps a minimum of 6 months, why only after a couple of months is the CSM or is it just The Mittani, is attacking CCP so openly?
I don't think we're 'attacking' CCP per-se, we're definitely out to send a clear message to the upper management: EVE Online is about flying in space and we feel that it's being neglected over things like walking in stations. We've made it clear to the guys on the ground at CCP that we absolutely still love them, and you should too. People like CCP Soundwave, CCP Xhagen and many more are all people who only care about making sure EVE Online is the best possible game it can be. But even then, we're not making an enemy out of the management and neither should anyone else. We're just trying to prod them publicly into doing what both we and the players feel is the right course of action: Making a game about space ships. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:29:00 -
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The word "inconsequential" leaps to mind. If what seems to be happening (the corporatization of the non-corporate corporation CCP) then decisions are being made that will be little (if at all) influenced by a fragmented community such is EVE's amorphous player base. This is always spoken of in some corners as a substantial and influential core group, but in the eyes of corp-think it's neither substantial, nor representational. In fact, through corporate eyes, there's a larger flood of transients, and counting it in terms of money, those who "care" about the game don't generate enough revenue to generate the much desired black ink. In short. It's a group that can be easily overlooked without affecting the projected bottom line.
Moving the "battle," as it were (read: tempest in a teapot from a corporate perspective) to the forums only ensures two things will happen. One, the advocates will be buried in the flood of posts by the transients. Two, the evidence of a strongly divided community (between the self-declared elites and everybody else) will be so strongly pronounced the majority will indeed bury the minority. There is no basis for loyalty here. The temper of the OP specifically delineates this slight regard. It will be met with certain contempt. You might as well hand CCP the victory...in a game they've already won anyway.
Finally, though to the myopic and cloistered MMO adherents these "publications" footnoted might represent significant media coverage, in the real world they are of little import. They appeal to a confined group whose numbers don't amount to very much, and by no means are publications the corporate-minded are concerned with but for a thin, cosmetic consideration which is highly localized to EVE players, but not indicative of the "important" minds and those mindsets. The Wall Street Journal would be a more appropriate sort of publication to look to if one wishes to fathom what direction CCP is looking.
All the evidence says this is the move that's been made. It's the epitome of naivete to think it can be reined back in after the move has been made. So..."inconsequential" leaps to mind. It is an articulate, and sincere OP. However, it falls on deaf ears...the ears that in the end will make the decisions. You see, the decision has already been made. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone
Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:29:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
Isn't that like a failing fast food join cranking up the price of its burgers to offset dropping sales? I can't see that strategy working for long.
My view (and mine only) from trawling forums, reading the Fearless newsletter, seeing growth charts, plans for further games etc, is that CCP are looking to get the best return for their buck on a game that is no longer growing substantially, and probably never will again. Everyone knows what happens when you get a new project, the old one gets not only put on the back burner, but also the interest in it drops aswell.
The fact that Wis ties in with W.O.D makes it an important part of CCPs development process, added with the fact that we have been told that Eve is on the backburner whilst Dust is released, makes it hard for me to believe that Upper management will go "ok here's more resources for a game that we are kind of done with".
I find it more likely that PR will go into overdrive and try and ride out the next 12 months or so, and hope that between nex sales, and people that aren't disgruntled yet will continue to keep the wheels turning until a secondary form of income arrives. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
182
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:30:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:The Mittani mostly likes seeing his name in lights. That's mostly what his "protest" is about. He takes whichever side gets him the most publicity. Seriously, this man has more ego than I thought it was humanly possible to have.
That may be true.
But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
White Tree
Broski Federation
Elite Space Guild
178
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:31:00 -
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'I work in marketting' leaps to mind. |
Prince Kobol
27
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:32:00 -
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Great blog as always Seleene.
However reading it just makes me think even more that the suits at CCP simply are not interested in anything anyone, including Devs have to say.
"It's great to see again but what saddens me is how Greyscale's 0.0 road map reminds me pretty much exactly of stuff that was discussed between Dominion and Apocrypha (about 2.5 years ago). I could go back and pull out old emails and (if I still had access) meeting minutes on the internal CCP 'Trac' pages that had shitloads of similar trains of thought to them. It's all been updated and thought through again, but the core principals and goals are the same: iterate on existing crappy game play and make it more better good fun awesome"
This was happening 2.5 years ago and nothing has changed.
Why should now be any different.
Personally I think Eve is on the precipice of a slow and painful death similar to that of SWG yet ultimately it will not be decided by the players posting here on the forums, the devs, the CSM, any online gaming publication or anything else but by the suits at CCP.
They will keep on course until the income from subs/plexs decrease to a certain threshold for a sustained period of time.
The question is will it be too late by then?
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White Tree
Broski Federation
Elite Space Guild
178
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:34:00 -
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I don't think we're going to have an SWG scenario.
So far, no NGE-type patch has been added to the game to break it on a very fundamental level.
People get angry because they like EVE, not because the hate it. |
Prince Kobol
27
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:38:00 -
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My example of using SWG was that of people leaving over time due to game play changes and the change of direction to the point where it was a shadow of its former self.
For example Eve becoming less about spaceships but being more like Sims in Space. |
Vilggiiee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:39:00 -
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bla bla bla bla ... CCP always talking about patience , and slow process ... its bullsh*** . We aint got nothing in winter and next summer . EvE is closed . ~8 years for MMO ? WoW with blizzard funds is dying , and u talking about crap like CCP . What u get after all these years ? some sov mechanics ,some "pve" content , few ships , and nothing more. Sh** like Knight Online got more content than EvE |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:40:00 -
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It actually would be in CCP's best interest to do away with the PR disaster and nonsense that is the CSM. All I've seen so far of this latest batch is a bunch of e-peenery and self inflated egos over pixels that have actually no significance to anyone in the grand scheme of things.
The CSM is ******** and should just be done away with. This isn't like a labor union or political activists dealing with a government, it's a bunch of people playing a video game that can just go play something else when the game is no longer appealing to them. This whole business of the CSM is just silly. The onus is on CCP to figure out what the market wants and develop to that, not play this silly little game of "us against the MAN" every month or so. It's ******** and a really bad business decision. |
White Tree
Broski Federation
Elite Space Guild
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Vilggiiee wrote:bla bla bla bla ... CCP always talking about patience , and slow process ... its bullsh***
No it isn't. You're wrong. Sorry. |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2011.09.08 14:41:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:The Mittani mostly likes seeing his name in lights. That's mostly what his "protest" is about. He takes whichever side gets him the most publicity. Seriously, this man has more ego than I thought it was humanly possible to have. That may be true. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing that he's right, but so were the hundreds of others saying the same things all Summer of Rage while Mittens was busy playing kissass and making videos with CCP in Iceland to appease the players.
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