My view (and mine only) from trawling forums, reading the Fearless newsletter, seeing growth charts, plans for further games etc, is that CCP are looking to get the best return for their buck on a game that is no longer growing substantially, and probably never will again....

I don't want people to mistake what i'm saying here, I'm one of the people pleading with CCP to change their ideas.

On the inside, to the CSM, you might see "lots of exciting things coming for FiS", inside CCP hq. You speak with CCP daily.

But what do us players get?

Soon Gäó


How long do CCP think people will hang around with that terminology.

Great blog as always Seleene.

However reading it just makes me think even more that the suits at CCP simply are not interested in anything anyone, including Devs have to say.

"It's great to see again but what saddens me is how Greyscale's 0.0 road map reminds me pretty much exactly of stuff that was discussed between Dominion and Apocrypha (about 2.5 years ago). I could go back and pull out old emails and (if I still had access) meeting minutes on the internal CCP 'Trac' pages that had shitloads of similar trains of thought to them. It's all been updated and thought through again, but the core principals and goals are the same: iterate on existing crappy game play and make it more better good fun awesome"

This was happening 2.5 years ago and nothing has changed.

Why should now be any different.

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They also need to let the players know they are doing this. Because right now players are leaving this game because they think it is abandoned. (and it has been since apoc 1.5.)

My view (and mine only) from trawling forums, reading the Fearless newsletter, seeing growth charts, plans for further games etc, is that CCP are looking to get the best return for their buck on a game that is no longer growing substantially, and probably never will again. Everyone knows what happens when you get a new project, the old one gets not only put on the back burner, but also the interest in it drops aswell.

The fact that Wis ties in with W.O.D makes it an important part of CCPs development process, added with the fact that we have been told that Eve is on the backburner whilst Dust is released, makes it hard for me to believe that Upper management will go "ok here's more resources for a game that we are kind of done with".

I find it more likely that PR will go into overdrive and try and ride out the next 12 months or so, and hope that between nex sales, and people that aren't disgruntled yet will continue to keep the wheels turning until a secondary form of income arrives.

CCP PrismX mentioned in another thread they are in the planning stages for the next development cycle so they don't really have an idea at present what is going to be scheduled for development.

The Mittani mostly likes seeing his name in lights. That's mostly what his "protest" is about. He takes whichever side gets him the most publicity. Seriously, this man has more ego than I thought it was humanly possible to have.

good points

I don't care who does it or what personal motive he may have for it, as long as Hilmar gets a firm kick in the ego gland and CCP is forced to refocus.

There was a time when CCP planned things at least a year in advance.

They had teams working on not only the next expansion, but the one after that as well. So in theory they should have an idea by now what will be in the Summer 2012 expansion.

I don't think we're going to have an SWG scenario.

So far, no NGE-type patch has been added to the game to break it on a very fundamental level.

People get angry because they like EVE, not because the hate it.

So do you think things are ok with flying in space right now? Because that's what you're saying.

Who else would you want to bring this attention to the gaming community? You? Who are you? In the context of the eve online community you are a nobody, just like I am. Whereas this issue is being brought up by the head of a group the Players voted on. He might not be who you voted for, but it doesn't make him any less the CSM chairman and the person that has a responsibility to get problems with things Joe the Plumber eve players experience which is flying in space.

In your haste to stand up for your leader, you've completely misread me. No, I don't think all is peachy with FiS, I wasn't even addressing that in my post. I was only calling out the obvious: that Mittani is an ambulance chasing, grand standing, egomaniac. That's all.

There was a time when CCP planned things at least a year in advance.

They had teams working on not only the next expansion, but the one after that as well. So in theory they should have an idea by now what will be in the Summer 2012 expansion.

I think they are in need of re-evaluating their plans right now, hence the inability to tell anyone anything at the moment.

I was only calling out the obvious: that Mittani is an ambulance chasing, grand standing, egomaniac. That's all.

I'd like to believe you, but I can't help wondering if it's because they know exactly what they're going to be doing but don't know how to tell us.

Probably true; but you would have to admit he is rather good at it.

Is it a good thing for EVE that Mittens is pontificating upon the poor state of the game?

C.

I'd like to believe you, but I can't help wondering if it's because they know exactly what they're going to be doing but don't know how to tell us.

I think it's pretty obvious at the moment with recent events that their current plan is not going over too well, and was probably quite a surprise to a lot of the project managers over there. They have been working under the impression a large percentage of the population wants Incarna. From past history of pining on the forums for years for Incarna, that probably wasn't unfounded. I just don't think they estimated what was going to be the reaction of releasing Incarna with microtransactions. They would have been better served getting Incarna out of the door faster and releasing microtransactions later. Incarna took them waaaaaaaaaaay longer than they anticipated, it was time to get everything devoted to getting it out the door so they could get back to whatever else they wanted to do....they just did the implementation wrong...now they're trying to figure out how to get things back on track after devoting so many resources for such an extended period of time, in addition to figuring out where they went wrong and what needs to be prioritized to make people shut up and stop whining over nothing.

That would make a lot of sense, one can only hope. Thing is that CCP isn't very good at making sense.

I think what caused CCP to shoot themselves in the collective foot was their vow to themselves to always do two expansions a year. But CCP has grown and it is no longer as nimble, .

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Our most recent expansion being Incarna saw the new turret animation which are gorgeous, but most people in 0.0 turn off anyway because they're lag-inducing. They're just visual fluff for high sec bears. None of the changes any real value to the gameplay. And of course, there was the actual "Walking in Stations". I hear a lot of its supporters bitching how people who've been wanting this for years are whining about it. Had we actually gotten it, people would have been quite enthusiastic. What we got was NOT "Walking in Stations". I think the best term I read describing it best was over on evenews24 where some guy referred to it as FAMC (Forever Alone Minmatar Closet). What we got in Incarna was a lot of hype and a bug-ridden, unoptimized code base that's being beta tested on Eve's paying clientele. We're almost at the time for the winter expansion and the Incarna expansion that came out months ago is not even complete yet. The made Incarna's priority to roll out the NEX store and introduced the mechanic for MT. And of course, there was the utter contempt and disdain that CCP staff showed towards their clientele during this Monoclegate scandal that soiled their reputation. They lost a lot of subscriptions over that one. Biting the hand that feeds you repeatedly will only leave you starving to death. That's a lesson CCP hasn't really learned yet.

The problem is so many people are used to the model of "let's throw everything in the expansion out there and see what breaks", then companies scrambling to fix what's broken. It has been the same way across the industry for a long time. CCP decided a year or two ago to stop doing this insane "throw it all out there" approach and are releasing things when they're mostly solid and releasing the rest as it's "done". Gamers aren't used to it and when they say "we released a new EXPANSION w00t! REJOICE!" they're expecting a whole mess of **** all at once, which isn't what CCP is doing anymore. Honestly the piecemeal release makes much more sense and is less game breaking than all their other expansion releases. Unfortunately, we live in an instant gratification driven world now, and that doesn't seem to be going over well.

Respect & Results. + other good points