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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.06 11:52:00 -
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The more people whine about the stuff, the more i'm tempted to just join the ranks of those that profit by it, i mean if its so common as to justify all these threads then people must be getting rich off doing it right?
If you value your CNR, stop making posts, your tempting me... 
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Sharon Lynn
Originally by: Wendat Huron
How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out?
I've often moved billions worth of isk in 1 haul over 20 jumps and never got ganked.
Use a transport ship and do not fly afk, noone will be able to gank you.
But i do not use this character to move it 
Enough intel on you and you'll get ganked in that too, just need to have this guy and a bunch of smartbombers hanging around a bottleneck waiting for scanning pilots reports.
The tanked to hell battleship was the last reasonable means of transport for most people. If I read this thread right that's no longer the case.
Insurance need to go on anything wasted by Concord, CCP is catering to griefers plain and simple, there's nothing hardcore about what they do.
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Fedor Emilianenko
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:36:00 -
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The original poster icecream man is an obvious isk buyer or game time card seller, that gist x type booster alone proves this, so i am glad he got ganked, well done to the guys who killed him.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Wait, so 5 Ravens fitted for gank can beat your solo BS? O Rly? 
Yeah, apparently 5 battleships > 1 battleship. News at 11, etc.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
The tanked to hell battleship was the last reasonable means of transport for most people. If I read this thread right that's no longer the case.
You people need to stop thinking in terms of eft and dps and start looking around you. A "tanked to hell battleship" is a pretty crappy way to move high end goods tbqfh.
Look outside the box. There are still plenty of ways.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.06 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Insurance need to go on anything wasted by Concord, CCP is catering to griefers plain and simple, there's nothing hardcore about what they do.
Might as well add this to the no insurance payouts:
- People that gets destroyed in 0.0 since itĘs a constant warzone
- People who get blown up when afk
- People who self destruct
- Mission runners since they deliberately fly into NPC pirate fleets, get blown up, and then do the same again.
Or just remove insurance all together. That way we remove some of the whine on the matter and none gets a unfair advantage.
simple answer: NO!
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.06 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/04/2008 13:15:46
Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
The original poster icecream man is an obvious isk buyer or game time card seller, that gist x type booster alone proves this, so i am glad he got ganked, well done to the guys who killed him.
I assume you are a troll, however it is quite easy to make 300-350mil per 4-5 hours doing lvl4's in high sec. Most of which from certain LP store items that people havent quite cought onto yet. Such a player could afford Gist items easaly.
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Fanjita
Slaves To Pwnage
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Posted - 2008.04.06 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
So for 200mill you can get 5 ravens insurance and fittings? wow get me 5 please.
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Durzel
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.06 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
So for 200mill you can get 5 ravens insurance and fittings? wow get me 5 please.
He means the loss after insurance payout is around 200m.
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Ethen Bejorn
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Posted - 2008.04.06 14:20:00 -
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Insurance companies would not payout on claims against ships lost on purpose in high-sec. Pend Insurance would be bankrupt by now. I would make that change and that change only.
I want to get in on the suicide ganks before they nerf them that is for sure. These posts only make people want to do it more. Me and my corp mates did our first suicide gank the other day and honestly I would never have tried it out if not for all the carebear tears on the forums.
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Cambarus
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Posted - 2008.04.06 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
Insurance companies would not payout on claims against ships lost on purpose in high-sec. Pend Insurance would be bankrupt by now. I would make that change and that change only.
I want to get in on the suicide ganks before they nerf them that is for sure. These posts only make people want to do it more. Me and my corp mates did our first suicide gank the other day and honestly I would never have tried it out if not for all the carebear tears on the forums.
THIS TBQFH
I wonder how many people have gotten into suicide ganking because of threads like this, were I not in deep 0.0 I'd probably be doing it myself (last I was in highsec none of my corpmates had decent scanning skills so we decided against trying to scn down mission runners).
On insurance: I agree fully with whoever said that removing concord insurance should only be valid if mission runner insurance, nullsec/lowsec insurance, and indeed most insurance in eve be removed as well. Eve is full of people/NPCs who want to kill your ship, if Pend Insurance stopped handing out insurance based on risk then they'd be refusing service to most everyone in eve.
On the ship that was ganked:
You used 3 slots to tank missions, you had a worse tank then most battlecruisers (and I bet I could fit a cruiser with a better tank) to warp in to have 50 NPCs shoot at you, then you complain because 5 other ships, fit solely to do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, managed to kill you?
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Bryg Philomena
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Posted - 2008.04.06 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bryg Philomena on 06/04/2008 15:55:01
good for you, I am recently selling a nightmare with better fittings than yours. Maybe fit some hards next time?
Also, I suicide gank. Its fun, but its annoying keeping standing up after a while.. gotta keep those lvl 4's coming. Either way, I downgraded from a gist btype xl nightmare with pith and gist x-type hards to a CNR with crappy caldari navy fit. Its faster and cheaper.
NOTE: All fittings on said nightmare were gotten from lofty tricks.
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Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:05:00 -
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IceCream Man? That's a great Tom Waits song. Hey, check out these verses:
Clickin' by your house about two forty-five
With a sidewalk sundae strawberry surprise,
I got a cherry popsicle right on time
I got a big stick, mamma, that'll blow your mind
And if you see me coming, you ain't got no change
Don't worry baby, it can be arranged:
Show me you can smile, baby, just for me
And I'll fix you with a drumstick, and I'll do it for free
Good to you ,baby, good to you ,baby, good to you, baby, good to you, baby, good to you, baby, good to yooouuu, I'll be good to you. I'll be good to you. Watch out, I'll be good to you.
Song is totally about suicide ganks. That Tom is such a griefer.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:08:00 -
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Only 5 Battleships?
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:21:00 -
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So mr Icecream man, how many BS's killing you would be considered a balanced number? Just asking.
Btw, tsk tsk guys, leaving your corps in TRI for obvious *cough local* reasons.
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
That 5 battleships on overload can kill 1 battleship that doesnt have it's defenses up?
Um... what's your point?
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Athanasios Anastasiou
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Athanasios Anastasiou on 06/04/2008 16:48:37
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Sharon Lynn
Originally by: Wendat Huron
How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out?
I've often moved billions worth of isk in 1 haul over 20 jumps and never got ganked.
Use a transport ship and do not fly afk, noone will be able to gank you.
But i do not use this character to move it
Enough intel on you and you'll get ganked in that too, just need to have this guy and a bunch of smartbombers hanging around a bottleneck waiting for scanning pilots reports.
The tanked to hell battleship was the last reasonable means of transport for most people. If I read this thread right that's no longer the case.
Insurance need to go on anything wasted by Concord, CCP is catering to griefers plain and simple, there's nothing hardcore about what they do.
The tanked battleship hasn't been optimal for moving crap across empire for a reaally long time. Use a cloaky recon or a insta-warp blockade runner and you will never get caught in high sec.
They are not griefers if they profit from it.
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negrodiablo
Opaxse Industries LLC.
Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2008.04.06 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
You are not STILL complaining about losing your Nightmare are you? You said in another thread that you just undocked from the station yet you had some 166,000 points of damage attributed to a Savage Lord. So either you are lieing and were stupid enough to be repping outside a station with an expensive and crippled ship or you were stupid enough to undock with a crippled and expensive ship.
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Silent Z
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: MilowFV
I dont get why folks spend so much ISK on gear for a missioning running ship to just do lvl 4 missions. I am sure its nice to afk on the mission and come back when its dead, but it sure isnt worth the risk of having 5 Raven waiting for you to undock thinking theyve just won the lottery.
Anyway feel your pain over the lose.
People fly pimped expensive mission ships because they like to fly pimped out mission ships.
In empire capital ships are not allowed, so the coolest ships are faction ships with officer fitting.
I like to see a nightmare or other ships like this. So I think it is cool people buy these and ships like it and pimp them.
But yeah, if you take the coolness factor away, not many real arguments to fly those. Cost/effectiveness relation is not very good with those ships I guess.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/04/2008 18:51:46
Originally by: negrodiablo
Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
You are not STILL complaining about losing your Nightmare are you? You said in another thread that you just undocked from the station yet you had some 166,000 points of damage attributed to a Savage Lord. So either you are lieing and were stupid enough to be repping outside a station with an expensive and crippled ship or you were stupid enough to undock with a crippled and expensive ship.
Killmails are bugged in this game. It is quite normal to have perfectly fully healed up ships with figures like that. Killmails dont always update properly after a session change. I have been on killmails not even logged in because I shot a pos turret that died some 12 hours later!
Regardless, he would have died no matter what. Thats the nature of the gank. Thats why the smart people are selling off their expensive mods now while the market still has them overvalued. Thats why Golem prices have gome up from 650mil+ to now profitable levels (since t2 fitted golems are now better permatank afk lvl4 ships than CNR's with t2 fitouts only).
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/04/2008 19:15:58
Originally by: MilowFV
I dont get why folks spend so much ISK on gear for a missioning running ship to just do lvl 4 missions.
This, tbh. I've managed to run lvl4s with a rather simple T2-tanked battlecruiser (say 60mil total in ship + fittings), and I don't even have good combat skills. 
Takes a bit longer, yes, but it sure keeps you (way) under the radar.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn
First of all what the hell is a TROP?!
He misspelled "Torp".. 5 overheated torp ravens is what he meant to say. But he failed at typing, just like he failed at protecting his faction-fitted faction BS. Nice catch, Tri.
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Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
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Posted - 2008.04.06 19:31:00 -
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1. It's possible to move high value items in highsec. I've done it plenty of times as this character and others. As people have said, think outside the total hit point box. Also, a megathron can have over 175,000 effective hp WITH a mwd and cloak. A phoon is not far behind with 150,000 or so. Lots more in both cases if a leadership alt is ganged with a few gang assist modules. I'm not sure the tanked BS transport idea is as non-viable as you claim, at least in high sec.
2. You don't even need *T2* to do L4 missions. I'm sure those tri guys who have more than once scanned my mission Raven or CNR or Abaddon or phoon or whatever can tell you I sometimes use unrigged t1 rat dropping fitted ships, with t2 only where it's cheaper in station. Mostly out of sheer laziness. No problems whatsoever completing all L4s.
3. Instead of spending obscene $ on your pimp ride, spend it on an alt or two. A 100M fit Drake has a better permatank than most solo mission pwnmobiles, and is also afk-able. And lets you fit for far more gank on your main ship, plus it provides a bit more DPS as well. You can grow an impressive mission helper alt on just one GTC, and use it for R&D , cyno and and lots of other purposes as well. And once you're done with it after a year or so you can sell it and make far far far more than you've invested in GTCs. (granted, this costs RL money which some may consider cheating).
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Corstaad
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:10:00 -
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Love how people are bragging they make 300mil in 5 hrs boarslaying. Yup not a big deal XL gisti boosters are a dime a dozen.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.06 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/04/2008 08:05:56
Originally by: Silver Night
Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
Well... Because they are willing pay 200m + time and coordination to gank a BS in high sec?
Sounds balanced to me.
They pay a substantial amount to gank your BS. Perhaps the solution is to not fly around with enough mods that blowing 200mil and a good portion of time on killing you is worth it?
As per your own post, a standard BS with a cheap fit is obviously effective. Especially, and I know this is a bit novel, if you bring a couple of friends with you on your missions.
Now, I don't condone suicide ganking. But I don't condone whining either.
You're condoning suicide ganking, just admit it to yourself.
How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out?
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Marlona Sky
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Posted - 2008.04.07 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Edited by: Riho on 06/04/2008 08:26:14
Originally by: IceCream Man
so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
did he gank you in a mission or did he gank you afk at a gate ?
if in a mission then it sucks balls :(... dont fit 10000000 billion in mods on single ship...
if at a gate then your bloody fault you didnt have hardeners :P
So nice that you ask him a question with two possible answers and both of the answers are his fault. 
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.07 01:17:00 -
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even without insurance payouts that guy would have been worth ganking
5 ravens about 500mil (say 450 as ravens are closer to 90mil)
30x arby torps about 15mil
300 caldari navy torps about ****
25 bcu II maybe 30mil
gist x type xl about 2 bil, thats not even counting the other stuff.
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Armoured C
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Posted - 2008.04.07 01:27:00 -
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suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics
it not going to change
get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine
why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large)
well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn
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Hasak Rain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.07 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics
it not going to change
get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine
why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large)
well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn
I agree. I do my missions in a T2 fitted Abaddon or T2 fitted Ravens and never understood why other mission runners feel it is so importaint to fly a 2-4 billion ship with mods.
Every time I mention that though, some mission runner will usually tell me that you can't make decent profits in lvl 4 missions without a 4 billion isk ship. I also get told that I don't know what i am doing and I "must be new to mission running." However, i am not the idiot who is getting ganked in a multi billion isk ship or putting myself in a position to take such a loss.
The OPer was doubly stupid for flying that thing around in that busy mission hub. I keep telling everyone to fly missions in Amarr space but the noobs keep flocking to Caldari agents.
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.04.07 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Armoured C
suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics
it not going to change
get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine
why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large)
well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn
I agree. I do my missions in a T2 fitted Abaddon or T2 fitted Ravens and never understood why other mission runners feel it is so importaint to fly a 2-4 billion ship with mods.
Every time I mention that though, some mission runner will usually tell me that you can't make decent profits in lvl 4 missions without a 4 billion isk ship. I also get told that I don't know what i am doing and I "must be new to mission running." However, i am not the idiot who is getting ganked in a multi billion isk ship or putting myself in a position to take such a loss.
The OPer was doubly stupid for flying that thing around in that busy mission hub. I keep telling everyone to fly missions in Amarr space but the noobs keep flocking to Caldari agents.
I rat 0.0 in a trash-can Raven (throw together with whatever I had, not even full T2.) I could use the same raven to run level 4's in high-sec and I'd be making more isk due to LP and everything else if I had high enough sec-status.
But yes... there is no reason to deadspace/officer fit a ship like that for missions, all you really need is T2 to do it, and if you get bored from the amount of time it takes to do missions, maybe you should try something else?
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