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IceCream Man Aslord Corp	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:39:00 - [1] so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:42:00 - [2] Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. I liked Ulysses too. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Bellum Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. I liked Ulysses too. me2. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Erik Amirault	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:48:00 - [4] Nothing will be done you crybaby.
Dianeces	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:50:00 - [5] This is a very fantastic thread, with numerous well thought out points of concern around which we can base a discussion. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Silver Night	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:53:00 - [6] Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. Well... Because they are willing pay 200m + time and coordination to gank a BS in high sec? Sounds balanced to me. They pay a substantial amount to gank your BS. Perhaps the solution is to not fly around with enough mods that blowing 200mil and a good portion of time on killing you is worth it? As per your own post, a standard BS with a cheap fit is obviously effective. Especially, and I know this is a bit novel, if you bring a couple of friends with you on your missions. Now, I don't condone suicide ganking. But I don't condone whining either. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.06 07:58:00 - [7] Ohhhh, IceCream Man thread. I'll take one chocolate yum-yum bar please. hands over 5M iskies
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. Well... Because they are willing pay 200m + time and coordination to gank a BS in high sec? Sounds balanced to me. They pay a substantial amount to gank your BS. Perhaps the solution is to not fly around with enough mods that blowing 200mil and a good portion of time on killing you is worth it? As per your own post, a standard BS with a cheap fit is obviously effective. Especially, and I know this is a bit novel, if you bring a couple of friends with you on your missions. Now, I don't condone suicide ganking. But I don't condone whining either. You're condining suicide ganking, just admit it to yourself. How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:09:00 - [9] tbh I could have gone through life without seeing this thread.
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/04/2008 08:05:56 Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. Well... Because they are willing pay 200m + time and coordination to gank a BS in high sec? Sounds balanced to me. They pay a substantial amount to gank your BS. Perhaps the solution is to not fly around with enough mods that blowing 200mil and a good portion of time on killing you is worth it? As per your own post, a standard BS with a cheap fit is obviously effective. Especially, and I know this is a bit novel, if you bring a couple of friends with you on your missions. Now, I don't condone suicide ganking. But I don't condone whining either. You're condoning suicide ganking, just admit it to yourself. How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out? Well, perhaps I didn't word that correctly. I don't choose to engage in it myself, but I recognize it as a valid activity. Is that better? And it is simple, use a cov ops or interceptor. If you get ganked moving something valuable in one of those, you probably deserved it. Hell, with warp to 0, you can probably even use a fatter ship. It isn't that big a deal unless you are AFK. Tell you what: -Make a new character (Make sure it is Achura, trying to powergame 4tw). -Have him make a new corp. Get your friends to put their noob alts in the corp too. -Give it a stupid typical description (Honor and loyalty blah blah blah, friends having fun together blah blah blah) -Make sure everyone has either the NPC damage types or a wrecking hit on a Guristas mission cruiser in their bio -Break out the kessie bpo -Voila, you can move stuff with virtual impunity as long as you aren't afk (And the standard noob corp look gives you a touch of afk protection even) all for the low low cost of 55 million isk. 5 for the corp and kessies, 50m for my consultancy fee. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Riho	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:26:00 - [11] Edited by: Riho on 06/04/2008 08:26:14 Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. did he gank you in a mission or did he gank you afk at a gate ? if in a mission then it sucks balls :(... dont fit 10000000 billion in mods on single ship... if at a gate then your bloody fault you didnt have hardeners :P ---------------------------------- MY VIEW ARE MY OWN, I DON'T REPRESENT MY CORPORATIONS VIEWS HERE... stop mailing me.. plz
Erotic Irony	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:32:00 - [12] Isn't this a rather gimpy tank? Maybe a damage control would have saved you. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Surfin's PlunderBunny	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:39:00 - [13] Wait, so 5 Ravens fitted for gank can beat your solo BS? O Rly? ------------------Sig-------------------------- Goons' greatest Pubbie!
MotherMoon	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:40:00 - [14] ok so I have a scitmtar with me, the ravens can't touch it plus I overheat my own tank. and the scimitar can overheat it's remote reps. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Daelorn	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:45:00 - [15] First of all what the hell is a TROP?! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.06 08:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Daelorn First of all what the hell is a TROP?! Your mother. Alternate post: my mother.
Sharon Lynn Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Wendat Huron How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out? I've often moved billions worth of isk in 1 haul over 20 jumps and never got ganked. Use a transport ship and do not fly afk, noone will be able to gank you. But i do not use this character to move it
Mastin Dragonfly	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Erotic Irony Isn't this a rather gimpy tank? Maybe a damage control would have saved you. Aramachi... GTFO out of Mostu/Saila area. Wolves will flock to the highest concentrations of sheep~
Lord WarATron	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:22:00 - [19] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/04/2008 09:23:46 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/04/2008 09:23:11 If you have a lootcan likely to drop more than a 300mil, then you are going to get ganked eventually if you become prdictable. AFK or not. Need to run lvl4's? Use fully t2 setups with no more than 4-6 navy items. Gist & Estamel fitted CNR for missions? You will get ganked eventually, mid mission or in gates. Its called adapt, because if you fly 4bil fitouts in a 450mil ship, expect 5-6 overheated rage torp ravens to gank you. Use fully t2 permatank fits insted. E.G Golem t2 permatank fit ( drop flux's if you dont need permatank afk lvl4 setup) H: 4 x Cruise, 3 x whatever M: X-Large Booster II, Amp II, 3 x Hardner II, 2 x Cap recharger II L: 2 x Bcu II, 2 x Flux II R: 2 x CCC II (T1's only if you have good cap skills/implants) Nightmare t2 permatank fit (drop flux if you dont need permatank) H: 4 x Tach II, rest whatever M: X-large Booster II, Amp II, 3 x Hardner II, 2 x Cap recharger II L: Heatsink II, 4 x Flux II R: 2 x CCC, 1 x CCC II Use your isk on implants insted of juicy loot. Do not complain because someone ganked a 4bil isk fitout on a 450mil ship. Heck, people will gank a 4bil loot on a freightor. Use t2 fitted setups if you do not like ganks. Spend your isk on damage implants and t2 rigs insted of droppable loot. -- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Billion Isk Mission
Akita T	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:24:00 - [20] And people wonder why I urge everybody I know to move out of the Aramachi/Saila/Laah/Motsu "Doom Quadrilater"... ...seriously, what did you expect ? Fit so much expensive stuff on a ship, and it's BEGGING for a gank. Especially in a place filled with several people sporting similar fits, so there's plenty of wannabe gankers around. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
SoftRevolution Complicity.	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:27:00 - [21] Is the OP really suggesting that it's imbalanced you go down like Paris Hilton in a 5-1 against gank fitted Battleships? EVE RELATED CONTENT
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:32:00 - [22] Originally by: SoftRevolution Is the OP really suggesting that it's imbalanced you go down like Paris Hilton in a 5-1 against gank fitted Battleships? Apparently 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Dianeces	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Akita T And people wonder why I urge everybody I know to move out of the Aramachi/Saila/Laah/Motsu "Doom Quadrilater"... ...seriously, what did you expect ? Fit so much expensive stuff on a ship, and it's BEGGING for a gank. Especially in a place filled with several people sporting similar fits, so there's plenty of wannabe gankers around. This is obviously nonsense. Anyone who tells you to deviate from your boring, predictable routine of grinding is is obviously trying to keep you from maximum profits. Also, all this talk of suicide ganking is really just hype to deflate the prices of high-end goods due to decreased demand. The best course of action is to keep on doing what you're doing currently, and to pimp out your ships now, especially with Gist Shield Boosters. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Jones Maloy	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:44:00 - [24] ok [warning: eft references] raven + full skills + 5x bcu + 6x t2 siege launchers loaded with rage torps = 1073 dps 1261 dps * 20 seconds concord takes to arrive < effective hp of battleship [/eft] how can 1 raven with overheated torps take out another bs again? Unofficial Official Jita Fubar Thread
Jones Maloy	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:46:00 - [25] you mean 5 ravens with overheated torps. not 5 overheated torps on a raven. yeah that will kill pretty much anything. Unofficial Official Jita Fubar Thread
Kaar	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:46:00 - [26] did anyone else search for this guys loss mail? --- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. ---
Dianeces	Posted - 2008.04.06 09:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Kaar did anyone else search for this guys loss mail? Nightmare, Gist X XL, 2x DG Invuln, 3x DB Heat Sinks, 4x DB Tachs. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Riho	Posted - 2008.04.06 10:08:00 - [28] lol.. iread that one raven ganked hes ship... acctually 5 ravens ganked hes ship :P well doh.. if those ravens do over 5000 dps together your little crap tank will fold like paper. why did you fit such expencive fit on one ship ?? you dont need it. and today i saved one guy from makeing the same mistake whit hes CNR... made one of my friends sell half of hes loot on the CNR because he would have probably been next on the list of getting ganked :P ---------------------------------- MY VIEW ARE MY OWN, I DON'T REPRESENT MY CORPORATIONS VIEWS HERE... stop mailing me.. plz
Gamesguy	Posted - 2008.04.06 10:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Gamesguy on 06/04/2008 10:12:34 Instead of spending 2b on a gist x-type booster, why not just spend less than 2b on a HG crystal set + a cheap pith-c type booster worth only a couple hundred mil? You'd get the exact same results and you wont be ganked.
Garmon Genos Occidere Boner Bandits	Posted - 2008.04.06 11:30:00 - [30] Welcome to eve __________________________________ Garmonation - Rupture fun video
Alski Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.06 11:52:00 - [31] The more people whine about the stuff, the more i'm tempted to just join the ranks of those that profit by it, i mean if its so common as to justify all these threads then people must be getting rich off doing it right? If you value your CNR, stop making posts, your tempting me... - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.06 12:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Sharon Lynn Originally by: Wendat Huron How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out? I've often moved billions worth of isk in 1 haul over 20 jumps and never got ganked. Use a transport ship and do not fly afk, noone will be able to gank you. But i do not use this character to move it Enough intel on you and you'll get ganked in that too, just need to have this guy and a bunch of smartbombers hanging around a bottleneck waiting for scanning pilots reports. The tanked to hell battleship was the last reasonable means of transport for most people. If I read this thread right that's no longer the case. Insurance need to go on anything wasted by Concord, CCP is catering to griefers plain and simple, there's nothing hardcore about what they do. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Fedor Emilianenko Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.06 12:36:00 - [33] The original poster icecream man is an obvious isk buyer or game time card seller, that gist x type booster alone proves this, so i am glad he got ganked, well done to the guys who killed him.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.06 12:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Wait, so 5 Ravens fitted for gank can beat your solo BS? O Rly? Yeah, apparently 5 battleships > 1 battleship. News at 11, etc. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.04.06 12:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Wendat Huron The tanked to hell battleship was the last reasonable means of transport for most people. If I read this thread right that's no longer the case. You people need to stop thinking in terms of eft and dps and start looking around you. A "tanked to hell battleship" is a pretty crappy way to move high end goods tbqfh. Look outside the box. There are still plenty of ways. Aussie TZ pvp corp AuPac is recruiting
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.06 13:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Wendat Huron Insurance need to go on anything wasted by Concord, CCP is catering to griefers plain and simple, there's nothing hardcore about what they do. Might as well add this to the no insurance payouts: People that gets destroyed in 0.0 since itÆs a constant warzone People who get blown up when afk People who self destruct Mission runners since they deliberately fly into NPC pirate fleets, get blown up, and then do the same again. Or just remove insurance all together. That way we remove some of the whine on the matter and none gets a unfair advantage. simple answer: NO! ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
Lord WarATron Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.06 13:15:00 - [37] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/04/2008 13:15:46 Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko The original poster icecream man is an obvious isk buyer or game time card seller, that gist x type booster alone proves this, so i am glad he got ganked, well done to the guys who killed him. I assume you are a troll, however it is quite easy to make 300-350mil per 4-5 hours doing lvl4's in high sec. Most of which from certain LP store items that people havent quite cought onto yet. Such a player could afford Gist items easaly. -- Billion Isk Mission
Fanjita Slaves To Pwnage	Posted - 2008.04.06 13:34:00 - [38] Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. So for 200mill you can get 5 ravens insurance and fittings? wow get me 5 please.
Durzel State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.06 13:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Fanjita Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. So for 200mill you can get 5 ravens insurance and fittings? wow get me 5 please. He means the loss after insurance payout is around 200m.
Ethen Bejorn	Posted - 2008.04.06 14:20:00 - [40] Insurance companies would not payout on claims against ships lost on purpose in high-sec. Pend Insurance would be bankrupt by now. I would make that change and that change only. I want to get in on the suicide ganks before they nerf them that is for sure. These posts only make people want to do it more. Me and my corp mates did our first suicide gank the other day and honestly I would never have tried it out if not for all the carebear tears on the forums.
Cambarus	Posted - 2008.04.06 14:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Insurance companies would not payout on claims against ships lost on purpose in high-sec. Pend Insurance would be bankrupt by now. I would make that change and that change only. I want to get in on the suicide ganks before they nerf them that is for sure. These posts only make people want to do it more. Me and my corp mates did our first suicide gank the other day and honestly I would never have tried it out if not for all the carebear tears on the forums. THIS TBQFH I wonder how many people have gotten into suicide ganking because of threads like this, were I not in deep 0.0 I'd probably be doing it myself (last I was in highsec none of my corpmates had decent scanning skills so we decided against trying to scn down mission runners). On insurance: I agree fully with whoever said that removing concord insurance should only be valid if mission runner insurance, nullsec/lowsec insurance, and indeed most insurance in eve be removed as well. Eve is full of people/NPCs who want to kill your ship, if Pend Insurance stopped handing out insurance based on risk then they'd be refusing service to most everyone in eve. On the ship that was ganked: You used 3 slots to tank missions, you had a worse tank then most battlecruisers (and I bet I could fit a cruiser with a better tank) to warp in to have 50 NPCs shoot at you, then you complain because 5 other ships, fit solely to do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible, managed to kill you? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Bryg Philomena	Posted - 2008.04.06 15:51:00 - [42] Edited by: Bryg Philomena on 06/04/2008 15:55:01 good for you, I am recently selling a nightmare with better fittings than yours. Maybe fit some hards next time? Also, I suicide gank. Its fun, but its annoying keeping standing up after a while.. gotta keep those lvl 4's coming. Either way, I downgraded from a gist btype xl nightmare with pith and gist x-type hards to a CNR with crappy caldari navy fit. Its faster and cheaper. NOTE: All fittings on said nightmare were gotten from lofty tricks. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:05:00 - [43] IceCream Man? That's a great Tom Waits song. Hey, check out these verses: Clickin' by your house about two forty-five With a sidewalk sundae strawberry surprise, I got a cherry popsicle right on time I got a big stick, mamma, that'll blow your mind And if you see me coming, you ain't got no change Don't worry baby, it can be arranged: Show me you can smile, baby, just for me And I'll fix you with a drumstick, and I'll do it for free Good to you ,baby, good to you ,baby, good to you, baby, good to you, baby, good to you, baby, good to yooouuu, I'll be good to you. I'll be good to you. Watch out, I'll be good to you. Song is totally about suicide ganks. That Tom is such a griefer. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:08:00 - [44] Only 5 Battleships? ...
ElCoCo	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:21:00 - [45] So mr Icecream man, how many BS's killing you would be considered a balanced number? Just asking. Btw, tsk tsk guys, leaving your corps in TRI for obvious cough local reasons. Boink!
Ralara	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:26:00 - [46] Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. That 5 battleships on overload can kill 1 battleship that doesnt have it's defenses up? Um... what's your point? -- Ralara / Ralarina
Athanasios Anastasiou The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:47:00 - [47] Edited by: Athanasios Anastasiou on 06/04/2008 16:48:37 Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Sharon Lynn Originally by: Wendat Huron How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out? I've often moved billions worth of isk in 1 haul over 20 jumps and never got ganked. Use a transport ship and do not fly afk, noone will be able to gank you. But i do not use this character to move it Enough intel on you and you'll get ganked in that too, just need to have this guy and a bunch of smartbombers hanging around a bottleneck waiting for scanning pilots reports. The tanked to hell battleship was the last reasonable means of transport for most people. If I read this thread right that's no longer the case. Insurance need to go on anything wasted by Concord, CCP is catering to griefers plain and simple, there's nothing hardcore about what they do. The tanked battleship hasn't been optimal for moving crap across empire for a reaally long time. Use a cloaky recon or a insta-warp blockade runner and you will never get caught in high sec. They are not griefers if they profit from it.
negrodiablo Opaxse Industries LLC. Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2008.04.06 16:59:00 - [48] Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. You are not STILL complaining about losing your Nightmare are you? You said in another thread that you just undocked from the station yet you had some 166,000 points of damage attributed to a Savage Lord. So either you are lieing and were stupid enough to be repping outside a station with an expensive and crippled ship or you were stupid enough to undock with a crippled and expensive ship.
Silent Z	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:43:00 - [49] Originally by: MilowFV I dont get why folks spend so much ISK on gear for a missioning running ship to just do lvl 4 missions. I am sure its nice to afk on the mission and come back when its dead, but it sure isnt worth the risk of having 5 Raven waiting for you to undock thinking theyve just won the lottery. Anyway feel your pain over the lose. People fly pimped expensive mission ships because they like to fly pimped out mission ships. In empire capital ships are not allowed, so the coolest ships are faction ships with officer fitting. I like to see a nightmare or other ships like this. So I think it is cool people buy these and ships like it and pimp them. But yeah, if you take the coolness factor away, not many real arguments to fly those. Cost/effectiveness relation is not very good with those ships I guess.
Lord WarATron	Posted - 2008.04.06 18:51:00 - [50] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/04/2008 18:51:46 Originally by: negrodiablo Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. You are not STILL complaining about losing your Nightmare are you? You said in another thread that you just undocked from the station yet you had some 166,000 points of damage attributed to a Savage Lord. So either you are lieing and were stupid enough to be repping outside a station with an expensive and crippled ship or you were stupid enough to undock with a crippled and expensive ship. Killmails are bugged in this game. It is quite normal to have perfectly fully healed up ships with figures like that. Killmails dont always update properly after a session change. I have been on killmails not even logged in because I shot a pos turret that died some 12 hours later! Regardless, he would have died no matter what. Thats the nature of the gank. Thats why the smart people are selling off their expensive mods now while the market still has them overvalued. Thats why Golem prices have gome up from 650mil+ to now profitable levels (since t2 fitted golems are now better permatank afk lvl4 ships than CNR's with t2 fitouts only). -- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Billion Isk Mission
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:15:00 - [51] Edited by: Tippia on 06/04/2008 19:15:58 Originally by: MilowFV I dont get why folks spend so much ISK on gear for a missioning running ship to just do lvl 4 missions. This, tbh. I've managed to run lvl4s with a rather simple T2-tanked battlecruiser (say 60mil total in ship + fittings), and I don't even have good combat skills. Takes a bit longer, yes, but it sure keeps you (way) under the radar.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Daelorn First of all what the hell is a TROP?! He misspelled "Torp".. 5 overheated torp ravens is what he meant to say. But he failed at typing, just like he failed at protecting his faction-fitted faction BS. Nice catch, Tri.
Toria Nynys Surly Dinos	Posted - 2008.04.06 19:31:00 - [53] 1. It's possible to move high value items in highsec. I've done it plenty of times as this character and others. As people have said, think outside the total hit point box. Also, a megathron can have over 175,000 effective hp WITH a mwd and cloak. A phoon is not far behind with 150,000 or so. Lots more in both cases if a leadership alt is ganged with a few gang assist modules. I'm not sure the tanked BS transport idea is as non-viable as you claim, at least in high sec. 2. You don't even need T2 to do L4 missions. I'm sure those tri guys who have more than once scanned my mission Raven or CNR or Abaddon or phoon or whatever can tell you I sometimes use unrigged t1 rat dropping fitted ships, with t2 only where it's cheaper in station. Mostly out of sheer laziness. No problems whatsoever completing all L4s. 3. Instead of spending obscene $ on your pimp ride, spend it on an alt or two. A 100M fit Drake has a better permatank than most solo mission pwnmobiles, and is also afk-able. And lets you fit for far more gank on your main ship, plus it provides a bit more DPS as well. You can grow an impressive mission helper alt on just one GTC, and use it for R&D , cyno and and lots of other purposes as well. And once you're done with it after a year or so you can sell it and make far far far more than you've invested in GTCs. (granted, this costs RL money which some may consider cheating).
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.06 20:10:00 - [54] Love how people are bragging they make 300mil in 5 hrs boarslaying. Yup not a big deal XL gisti boosters are a dime a dozen.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.06 20:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 06/04/2008 08:05:56 Originally by: Silver Night Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. Well... Because they are willing pay 200m + time and coordination to gank a BS in high sec? Sounds balanced to me. They pay a substantial amount to gank your BS. Perhaps the solution is to not fly around with enough mods that blowing 200mil and a good portion of time on killing you is worth it? As per your own post, a standard BS with a cheap fit is obviously effective. Especially, and I know this is a bit novel, if you bring a couple of friends with you on your missions. Now, I don't condone suicide ganking. But I don't condone whining either. You're condoning suicide ganking, just admit it to yourself. How now are people supposed to move anything of value without being taken out? Learn to play the game, whining will not protect your assets
Marlona Sky	Posted - 2008.04.07 00:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Riho Edited by: Riho on 06/04/2008 08:26:14 Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. did he gank you in a mission or did he gank you afk at a gate ? if in a mission then it sucks balls :(... dont fit 10000000 billion in mods on single ship... if at a gate then your bloody fault you didnt have hardeners :P So nice that you ask him a question with two possible answers and both of the answers are his fault. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you and... scouts, logistic ships, people to web you, alts with bonuses, not fitting nice gear, avoiding trafic hubs, etc... easy right??
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.07 01:17:00 - [57] even without insurance payouts that guy would have been worth ganking 5 ravens about 500mil (say 450 as ravens are closer to 90mil) 30x arby torps about 15mil 300 caldari navy torps about **** 25 bcu II maybe 30mil gist x type xl about 2 bil, thats not even counting the other stuff.
Armoured C	Posted - 2008.04.07 01:27:00 - [58] suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics it not going to change get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large) well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Hasak Rain Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.07 01:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Armoured C suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics it not going to change get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large) well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn I agree. I do my missions in a T2 fitted Abaddon or T2 fitted Ravens and never understood why other mission runners feel it is so importaint to fly a 2-4 billion ship with mods. Every time I mention that though, some mission runner will usually tell me that you can't make decent profits in lvl 4 missions without a 4 billion isk ship. I also get told that I don't know what i am doing and I "must be new to mission running." However, i am not the idiot who is getting ganked in a multi billion isk ship or putting myself in a position to take such a loss. The OPer was doubly stupid for flying that thing around in that busy mission hub. I keep telling everyone to fly missions in Amarr space but the noobs keep flocking to Caldari agents.
techzer0	Posted - 2008.04.07 01:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Armoured C suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics it not going to change get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large) well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn I agree. I do my missions in a T2 fitted Abaddon or T2 fitted Ravens and never understood why other mission runners feel it is so importaint to fly a 2-4 billion ship with mods. Every time I mention that though, some mission runner will usually tell me that you can't make decent profits in lvl 4 missions without a 4 billion isk ship. I also get told that I don't know what i am doing and I "must be new to mission running." However, i am not the idiot who is getting ganked in a multi billion isk ship or putting myself in a position to take such a loss. The OPer was doubly stupid for flying that thing around in that busy mission hub. I keep telling everyone to fly missions in Amarr space but the noobs keep flocking to Caldari agents. I rat 0.0 in a trash-can Raven (throw together with whatever I had, not even full T2.) I could use the same raven to run level 4's in high-sec and I'd be making more isk due to LP and everything else if I had high enough sec-status. But yes... there is no reason to deadspace/officer fit a ship like that for missions, all you really need is T2 to do it, and if you get bored from the amount of time it takes to do missions, maybe you should try something else? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Hasak Rain	Posted - 2008.04.07 02:17:00 - [61] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Armoured C suicide ganking <-------- game mechanics it not going to change get over it i fly level 4 in a perfectly good domi, with just standard T2 set up and it does it fine why do you need to use such a expensive ship to do what i do in something that possibly totals me over just over 100 120 mill in mods, drones ( all t2 med, small and large) well done gankers for getting this ulgy nightmare out of my face =) go and destroy more pimped out rides =====D until they learn I agree. I do my missions in a T2 fitted Abaddon or T2 fitted Ravens and never understood why other mission runners feel it is so importaint to fly a 2-4 billion ship with mods. Every time I mention that though, some mission runner will usually tell me that you can't make decent profits in lvl 4 missions without a 4 billion isk ship. I also get told that I don't know what i am doing and I "must be new to mission running." However, i am not the idiot who is getting ganked in a multi billion isk ship or putting myself in a position to take such a loss. The OPer was doubly stupid for flying that thing around in that busy mission hub. I keep telling everyone to fly missions in Amarr space but the noobs keep flocking to Caldari agents. I rat 0.0 in a trash-can Raven (throw together with whatever I had, not even full T2.) I could use the same raven to run level 4's in high-sec and I'd be making more isk due to LP and everything else if I had high enough sec-status. But yes... there is no reason to deadspace/officer fit a ship like that for missions, all you really need is T2 to do it, and if you get bored from the amount of time it takes to do missions, maybe you should try something else? Yep. As long as you Salvage, can build rigs and refine drops, you will make really good isk running lvl 4's no matter which type of ship you use. Sure you WILL make isk faster in an expensive Faction ship but you also take the risk of losing it and it takes a ****e load of missions just to pay off your boat + mods. If someone tried to gank me or I do something stupid/noobish in a mission and lose it to the rats, I lose almost nothing after insurance. Mr Faction ship pilot has to first pony up 2-4 billion for his ship and then has to make that much in missions to pay it off before he even starts seeing a profit. During all that time, he needs to worry if he is about to be targeted by pirates. Just doesn't make any sense to me...but whatever.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.07 07:34:00 - [62] Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 07/04/2008 07:34:57 Originally by: Hasak Rain Every time I mention that though, some mission runner will usually tell me that you can't make decent profits in lvl 4 missions without a 4 billion isk ship. Spot on. A t2 fitted ship can make billions using the minmatar agent q18 l4 and building republic web/mwd etc which sells for a FORTUNE to nanofag pilots. Something stupid like 6000-7000isk/lp. All those gist-x pilots must be feeling silly selling their caldari Lp for around 500-1000/lp now
Fink Angel	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:35:00 - [63] Originally by: IamAcontractALT A t2 fitted ship can make billions using the minmatar agent q18 l4 such as Agirtad Dotudink, Andamulbunur Odoko or even Ofylur Woligabet and start building republic web/mwd etc which sells for a FORTUNE to nanofag pilots. The best highsec agent kill mission I could find is Minmatar Vir Honn which is a 0.5 sec system and he is lvl4, q18. You can make almost 100mil/hour doing this due to massive LP profit You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Caldari agents are the best, followed by Gallente and Amarr coming up 3rd. Minmatar shouldn't even be on shopping list. Minmatar give almost no LPs, only give metal scraps or manure as rewards, they charge dock and undock fees greater than the missions pay out, and their stations are very smelly. Avoid like the plague and stay elsewhere. (This is a post by the Keep Minmatar Space Clear People's Front) Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
IamAcontractALT	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:43:00 - [64] Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 07/04/2008 09:45:02 Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: IamAcontractALT A t2 fitted ship can make billions using the minmatar agent q18 l4 such as Agirtad Dotudink, Andamulbunur Odoko or even Ofylur Woligabet and start building republic web/mwd etc which sells for a FORTUNE to nanofag pilots. The best highsec agent kill mission I could find is Minmatar Vir Honn which is a 0.5 sec system and he is lvl4, q18. You can make almost 100mil/hour doing this due to massive LP profit You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Caldari agents are the best, followed by Gallente and Amarr coming up 3rd. Minmatar shouldn't even be on shopping list. Minmatar give almost no LPs, only give metal scraps or manure as rewards, they charge dock and undock fees greater than the missions pay out, and their stations are very smelly. Avoid like the plague and stay elsewhere. (This is a post by the Keep Minmatar Space Clear People's Front) Nice Try. But fact is, Vir Honn is best high sec agent in eve, gives out almost 9k LP and Minmatar LP store is best in eve, letting people get upto 10,000isk/LP with Republic MWD/Webs/etc! (thats 10 to 20 times as much than caldari navy LP store)
umop 3pisdn	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Erotic Irony Isn't this a rather gimpy tank? Maybe a damage control would have saved you. I love how the damage taken is 200k but the tri nubs forgot to edit that off before they posted it, after removing the rats from the top damage position, as always with tri. Oh tri, you jokers you
Gamesguy	Posted - 2008.04.07 09:54:00 - [66] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Erotic Irony Isn't this a rather gimpy tank? Maybe a damage control would have saved you. I love how the damage taken is 200k but the tri nubs forgot to edit that off before they posted it, after removing the rats from the top damage position, as always with tri. Oh tri, you jokers you Look at dat bitter alt.
Darwin Duck	Posted - 2008.04.07 10:03:00 - [67] I've been sitting here thinking for a while now, but I still don't understand wth he is trying to say. Does he mean he in his unhardened BS should be able to tank 5 overheated torp Ravens? If so I'd like to have some of what he's smoking. Also from what I see in the killmail he must have been taking dmg from NPCs at the same time. It says dmg taken over 200k and the 5 players didn't even deal him 50k dmg. So I guess he's saying he should be able to tank 5 player BS' + a bunch of NPC BS' Good one!
umop 3pisdn	Posted - 2008.04.07 10:04:00 - [68] Oh so bitter, I once lost a rifter to tri. Am I wrong though?
Gamesguy	Posted - 2008.04.07 10:08:00 - [69] Edited by: Gamesguy on 07/04/2008 10:08:28 Originally by: umop 3pisdn Oh so bitter, I once lost a rifter to tri. Am I wrong though? Yep. Session change clears the NPC from the mail, but doesn't clear the damage taken. Look at how stupid you are.
KISOGOKU Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:25:00 - [70] It is result of the new killmail system ,there were some strange killmails like this. Originally by: Darwin Duck Also from what I see in the killmail he must have been taking dmg from NPCs at the same time. It says dmg taken over 200k and the 5 players didn't even deal him 50k dmg. So I guess he's saying he should be able to tank 5 player BS' + a bunch of NPC BS' Good one!
Maor Raor Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:40:00 - [71] There is only one thing i see thats lame about this kill other than the fact they got payed insurence. 3 of the gankers were in noob corps... realy.. whats that about.
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:43:00 - [72] Originally by: IceCream Man so pretty much you pay about 200mill (insurance + fitting) and you can gank any bs in high sec. wonder how is this balance. As a Raven pilot with Caldari Battleship V, I say the following: It's fine.
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:44:00 - [73] This Thread is win!
Gamesguy	Posted - 2008.04.07 11:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Maor Raor There is only one thing i see thats lame about this kill other than the fact they got payed insurence. 3 of the gankers were in noob corps... realy.. whats that about. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they're alts.

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