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Mazakura Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:11:00 - [121] Hey I don't mind the Bruces. I hear they have a lot of teachers in their mist. But it's like the old saying of "Those who can't do, teach". Bruce has a sort of arrogance about them that just puts me off. I also can't believe how many corps they now have in it. Bruce has turned into a zergling like alliance imo. I still see Bruce corp recruitment posts all over the damn place.
Mazakura Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:14:00 - [122] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Necro EvilZombie The sole reason for shooting you is that you are no longer a part of the coalition. Sitting back and hoarding isk in preparation for BoB to come attack you is not being an active participant in the war. Can't say it any plainer than that. By those standards pretty much the only blues you would have left would be goonswarm c/d? I would imagine there are a few other people you didn't reset who have been no more active in Delve the last few months than bruce tbh. RZR and Goons have both been very active in delve in the last couple months, and as such, they are blue. TCF and RA have proven themselves many times over the last year, and will remain blue for a while under the premise that they will once again help out. There is a pretty long list of people who did more than bruce though. The only thing bruce really did was fill the void that was left in fountain, which was good because it prevented bob pets from moving back in...but not enough to make me want to leave them blue forever while they mine. Meh Bruce just moved in at the right time with little fighting whatsoever, can't really blame them for that, but it's not like they had to actually fight for it. I don't think Bruce has yet to fight for anything except a million recruitment ads.
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:15:00 - [123] Originally by: Manas The order of events was: * Initially BoB and Goons (and much of the Southern Coalition) were hostile to us. * MC (then still a BoB ally) wardecced us and harrassed us in Syndicate. * We chose then to take GBC's station at U-S.. MC DDed us on the way to it. * After U-S was ours, Southern Coalition called us chill brosefs and we are set +. * BRUCE and North (especially Morsus Mihi) pummel the GBC in FOuntain. * North leaves for some boat violencing back home. Currently, it seems the Southern coalition is taking a break to shoot each other (and SMASHKILL and BRUCE). Perhaps they will eventually tire of that, maybe not. It's a crazy Eve world. You forgot the first step which was... *BRUCE negotiates with the Northern Allies to secure standings before moving to Fountain. Having spent a fair amount of time in OSS fighting BRUCE, you guys are many things but bold and daring you are not ;) You never would have left Syndicate without such standings which is only logical - jumping into the middle of the war at that stage without knowing whether you could get standings with either power would have been foolish.
alpha charlie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:27:00 - [124] Originally by: Darc Kaahar Originally by: sakana Originally by: ED 209 rofl, you need more numbers still? He's a clue, stop sucking and then maybe your own guys would login more. Wait, who's a clue? Can I be a clue? <3 u darc kaahar eve supastar!
Lawk North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.08 18:45:00 - [125] I just wanted to say, good luck. We're all counting on you.
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:05:00 - [126] Originally by: Dirty Spy Edited by: Dirty Spy on 08/04/2008 17:04:36 Originally by: Doddy By those standards pretty much the only blues you would have left would be goonswarm c/d? I would imagine there are a few other people you didn't reset who have been no more active in Delve the last few months than bruce tbh. The irony here is the goon forums are full of threads by Darius Johnson telling their membership that 'Our allies will fight when we finally start logging in and fighting'. All this talk of the bruces and other alliances not pulling their weight is just a distraction from the epic failure of goon to simply login and fight. Unless of course goon should extend this new policy to other coalition alliances who are no longer fighting for them. Personally, I'd love to see Goon reset Red Alliance for not bailing them out in QY6. Of course this won't happen because while the Goons may be hypocrites, they aren't entirely stupid. pays 10 bux to get access to a forum that has more readers than eve-o, acts like is now 'in the know'
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:06:00 - [127] I bet you're in Rho squad
Szprinkoth Sponsz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.08 19:32:00 - [128] Rho squad is the best squad, he must be in Gamma.
Orb Lati ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.08 20:59:00 - [129] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz If anybody has a lot to gain/lose based on the outcome of the war with bob it most certainly is BRUCE. If bob is not destroyed, then once they are done clearing out delve, querious, and period basis, then they'll have to reclaim their old cash cow: fountain. And with no allies to help them BRUCE will either get pushed out, or be forced into slavery. There is no other possible outcome. All of their efforts to work on 'defense' in fountain will accomplish nothing, in this case, as in many cases, the best defense is a good offense. I doubt that BOB will go in to retake fountain if Bruce continues to stay out of the coalition against it. You've just read quite a few posts from BOB in their response to the OP saying that Pvp Raids against Bruce are fun. the kind of fun not really to be seen against the collition. What Bruce has going for it is that they took Fountain cleanly without COAD bs, local smack or political underhandedness. They are also neutral to the coalition which means they are not a threat to Delve. If however Bruce join the coalition they would be doing so at the expense of their occupation of Fountain as BOB will no longer see them as a group to have fun roaming incursions against but as a hostile entity at their boarders needing to be removed. At the moment Bruce is in a good position, they have a rich region to gain wealth and they are probably considered a PVP "side show" to the main players of the southern war, meaning while BOB and the coalition are at each others throats fountain is safe and the BOB/PA pvp incursions will allow Bruce to maintain a PVP edge and not become complaisant or bloated. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.08 22:08:00 - [130] Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey You forgot the first step which was... *BRUCE negotiates with the Northern Allies to secure standings before moving to Fountain. Having spent a fair amount of time in OSS fighting BRUCE, you guys are many things but bold and daring you are not ;) You never would have left Syndicate without such standings which is only logical - jumping into the middle of the war at that stage without knowing whether you could get standings with either power would have been foolish. Indeed, that's a fair assessment I would say. And I don't think any BRUCE member forgets how crucial a role allies like Morsus Mihi played in the Fountain takeover, even if the initial invasion of Unicorn only included BRUCE (truthfully, we met no resistance there). Regarding the current situation, I just want to say that fun pew-pew is a blessing. BoB and PL have been granting us plenty of blessings. As long as we all have fun, I see nothing wrong. --- Join BH-DL Skills
ManowarX Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.08 22:08:00 - [131] Hey sakana i hope your pvp abiltities are better than when you were in PJI mind you from what ive seen lately i guess not scimitars ? meh
steveid Quicksilver Industries	Posted - 2008.04.09 01:20:00 - [132] I have always been of the opinion that BoB has truly won when an ally of theirs can hold space as an ally. I think that BoB and Bruce has an agreement now, an that Bruce will probably be BoB's first space holding ally.
Mr Rive Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.09 03:44:00 - [133] Originally by: ManowarX Hey sakana i hope your pvp abiltities are better than when you were in PJI mind you from what ive seen lately i guess not scimitars ? meh oh man sak you got OWNED i mean seriously owned
Derrios	Posted - 2008.04.09 07:47:00 - [134] OP is clearly talking about the quality fittings such as: Best Drake Fit Ever imo
Slinktress	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:08:00 - [135] This reminds me of "The Little Mermaid" (ancient Earth history) where Scuttle was listening for the prince's heartbeat on the bottom of his FOOT! Our 'Brucefs' rule and Sakana rocks. (oh and Hi there old PJI buds o/) Have fun! Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. ~~Slinktress~~ BLAST Head Diplomat
sakana	Posted - 2008.04.09 08:54:00 - [136] Originally by: Mr Rive Originally by: ManowarX Hey sakana i hope your pvp abiltities are better than when you were in PJI mind you from what ive seen lately i guess not scimitars ? meh oh man sak you got OWNED i mean seriously owned i know :'( whats worse is, i dont even know what he is trying to say. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
watermeron Goony Hand Social Club GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.09 10:55:00 - [137] Originally by: Manas There are lots of misunderstandings about BRUCE out there. BRUCE has been fighting non-stop since December 2006 when they arrived in Syndicate. (I brought my corp to BRUCE on May 2007). We earn our space via blood, and keep it via blood. BRUCE has never been a tenant, and it will never happen in the future. Unlike most large space holding alliances (except perhaps Morsus Mihi), BRUCE doesnÆt have carebear tenants in our space, or renters outside it. We donÆt demand tribute from neighbors. BRUCE isnÆt interested in holding more space than we can hold or use.. we have given away space for free many times in the past. We look for friends that want to fight for space which they can call their own. We arenÆt isk farmers/EBAYers, nor suffer them to live in any way in our space or neighboring space. All BRUCE corps fight. We only bring in corporations who are both well organized, experienced, and with a strong background of PvP. BRUCE corporations are of a similar mind on major goals. By collecting corporations with common attitude and purpose, BRUCE corporations are very tightly woven together and wonÆt bust apart easily. BRUCE rarely talks on CAOD, we donÆt smack in local, and we try to be as straightforward as possible with our friends and enemies (although we donÆt always achieve that). We have been generous (sometimes too generous) to those we have displaced. We expect similar, and react poorly to smack, ultimatums, or commands. so you're goonswarm '06? :v
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.09 11:40:00 - [138] Ms Cleo says.... Bob and Bruce join forces. Much to the dismay of RaGoons, BoBruce sweeps through the Coalition like a cop through donuts... Moar predictions please... Im the girl momma warned you about..
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:02:00 - [139] Originally by: Donna Maria Ms Cleo says.... Bob and Bruce join forces. Much to the dismay of RaGoons, BoBruce sweeps through the Coalition like a cop through donuts... Moar predictions please... Are you trying to imply bruce have bad BO?
Carin K Minmatar Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:52:00 - [140] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Originally by: Donna Maria Ms Cleo says.... Bob and Bruce join forces. Much to the dismay of RaGoons, BoBruce sweeps through the Coalition like a cop through donuts... Moar predictions please... Are you trying to imply bruce have bad BO? Now, I've heard some bad jokes...
Doc Iridium Amarr 4 wing Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:34:00 - [141] Yup, I'm a Bruce noob. Been in a member corp for less than three weeks. I've been watching this thread for a while, seeing some praises from unexpected places, and ridicule from expected places. It seems to me, however, that the praises that we have been getting come mostly from those who have actually attacked us with more than a few frigates and cruisers. I've been looking for a 0.0 alliance with some strength that doesn't want me to be a noobslaughterer, gate pirate, or a 100% rawr pvper. Those things are not interesting to me. 34 million SP after starting the game I've found an alliance who not only understands that, but knows how to work with it, AND entice me into PVP that I can enjoy. I'm _much_ more likely to enjoy pvp if I feel that I'm standing up for something, well, clean. I have no interest in jumping in a ship and going off on pointless noob safaris or jihads against hulk pilots. I want to build something. I like to defend what I'm building. Bruce leadership has done something I haven't seen before in EVE. When you see that blob of 100 battleships, a large number of players you see have no interest in chest-beating pvp or gladiator death matches in t2 frigates. A lot of us just want to crush you and go home. Oh, we'll have fun doing it, but for many of us pvp is not the end-all-be-all of EVE. No doubt we have plenty of gung-ho pvpers too grin but the gung-ho pvpers work together with the ex-agent runners, belt ratters, and old battleship miners - and the best thing is that our tactics are designed to allow the combination of experienced and inexperienced pvpers to hold the field against forces of much more skilled and/or aggressive fleets. It's not pretty yet, but we're getting lots of practice! Tactics are evolving. People who didn't like pvp to begin with are finding that they like it :) I think that anyone who has actually seen us in the field recently in anything bigger than a skirmish can attest to the fact that a Bruce Fleet is not to be taken lightly. Anyone who hasn't seen us in the field in a significant sized engagement should probably close their mouth and talk to those that have so they don't appear to be completely clueless. As for the majority of the badmouthing I've seen coming our way from the players that do give us battlefield respect, I'm by no means a decision making leader, but it would seem that assaulting us is unlikely to encourage us to assist you in any greater effort. Assaulting us is, however, wasting your resources and making us less and less likely to offer our help. In real life, I might not want to be great friends with a person I know to be involved in organized crime, but I'd be hard pressed not to want to help them hunt down a known serial rapist/killer if for some reason they asked me to. shrug I don't see Bruce failing any time soon. I'm not psychic though. Maybe some of you who predict the death of Bruce have read omens in the dust contrails around the wrecks of the fleets Bruce has shattered recently. When I see invading fleets withdrawing from battle, leaving their wrecks unlooted and unsalvaged, and I hear that the pilots of those wrecks are being systematically hunted down by our interdictor pilots waiting at gates, that means something else to me. Bruce might not be here to stay, but we're not going to be made to leave without breaking a whole lot of bones on the way out. Ah well, I've said my bit - wait, is that Veldspar over there? Woot!
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:01:00 - [142] Originally by: Doc Iridium Yup, I'm a Bruce noob. Been in a member corp for less than three weeks. [snip] No one questions the difficulty of roaming through BRUCE space. I have been camped in by your forces in your old home as well as your new one. The speed and size of your responses to roaming gangs is impressive, not to mention the skill of your probers (we gave you credit when MDK played with BRUCE back in your original home), you defend your space with great vigor. The real test is when someone brings a real force to the table, not a roaming gang. Will you be able to muster the troops of Carebear soldiers for the 5th or 6th or 7th major fleet after suffering total defeat due to a supercap blob? No one knows the answer until you face the test. Same with any alliance tbh., BRUCE stands out because of its size, and because of how quickly it has grown. Blobbing out a 25 man BS gang is one thing, standing toe-toe with 100 T2 snipers, 100 support, and 100 Caps+Supercaps is another... I just wonder who will bring the heat to test you...
Maximus Maridius Gallente Navy Special Forces	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:05:00 - [143] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: Doc Iridium Yup, I'm a Bruce noob. Been in a member corp for less than three weeks. [snip] No one questions the difficulty of roaming through BRUCE space. I have been camped in by your forces in your old home as well as your new one. The speed and size of your responses to roaming gangs is impressive, not to mention the skill of your probers (we gave you credit when MDK played with BRUCE back in your original home), you defend your space with great vigor. The real test is when someone brings a real force to the table, not a roaming gang. Will you be able to muster the troops of Carebear soldiers for the 5th or 6th or 7th major fleet after suffering total defeat due to a supercap blob? No one knows the answer until you face the test. Same with any alliance tbh., BRUCE stands out because of its size, and because of how quickly it has grown. Blobbing out a 25 man BS gang is one thing, standing toe-toe with 100 T2 snipers, 100 support, and 100 Caps+Supercaps is another... I just wonder who will bring the heat to test you... The Simple and Utter Truth
Antaree	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:07:00 - [144] Word on the streets is that BRUCE is secretly allied with Bob, as they serve as a northern buffer way better than any bob pet would. As a matter of fact, so allied that BRUCE is most likely going to buy a titan from Bob pretty soon...
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:08:00 - [145] Ok. So to sum up with folks are saying. PL, Burn Eden, TRI, BoB and others all say Bruce fights. They don't run, they fight. They don't always win :) but they fight. But, they don't seem to be expansionistic, and seem to have a Carebear/good guy ideology. They are a large alliance, that is growing at a decent speed. If I was BOB, I'd WANT BRUCE to be up there. They're keeping other, more overtly hostile alliance's out of BOB's back yard, they give BOB pilots someone to pew pew for ****s and giggles( haven't seen bob say that BRUCE raids into delve though). They actively try to keep "pirates" down, though pirates is a loose term. All of this makes me automatically think of BOB and BRUCE becomeing not allies, but non-agressive neibours. I'd recomend to both parties that they convo each other, and say "we like fighting you for fun, but don't want to be agressive. How about you don't attack our POS's/Systems, and we won't attack yours, but we'll continue to raid each other for fun." More logical to me. Secures BOB's northern border in a way, gives them someone to play with, gives Bruce a steady southern border, and someone to play with. I mean, isn't that the goal of all of us. To have space, defend it, and figh with our "enemies"? Ahh well. This is CAOD, and the number of 2cents put in here by the posters could buy CCP. :)
Kasigi Caldari Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:12:00 - [146] OMFG TIN FOIL HATS BATMAN HOW WILL WE WIN?. BRUCE are cool they fight and just hold there turf.
Yalson Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.10 02:53:00 - [147] Originally by: Orb Lati I doubt that BOB will go in to retake fountain if Bruce continues to stay out of the coalition against it. You've just read quite a few posts from BOB in their response to the OP saying that Pvp Raids against Bruce are fun. the kind of fun not really to be seen against the collition. Of course those raids are fun. Great diversion from the capital blob or lag fights. But BOB will always have someone to shoot, and that benefit alone most certainly won't be keeping GBC from turning their attention to Fountain once they are done cleaning up other areas. Fountain has been BOB territory for quite a while, and there is no way they'll allow another entity to reside there without them handing over all valuable moons and paying rent. Whether BRUCE would be willing to contemplate such an arrangement is another story, of course; given their history and development I somehow doubt it though.
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:52:00 - [148] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 10/04/2008 03:54:40 Offense or defence, Knowing Bruce since day 1 as friend and enemy, one attribute of thiers that is most prominent is their ability to survive. Forum slander is nothing but enhanced smack. If you think they're killable, go ahead and try. Pandemic is. If you think they're awesome pvpers, give them homage. Bob is. waves to the little ones --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Slinktress This reminds me of "The Little Mermaid" (ancient Earth history) where Scuttle was listening for the prince's heartbeat on the bottom of his FOOT! Our 'Brucefs' rule and Sakana rocks. (oh and Hi there old PJI buds o/) Have fun! /me wipes away a tear Oh and good luck BRUCE, one think I learned from FLA, don't sit back and build up too much, if sh*t hits the fan you need allies that will fight... I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
General Lysander	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:53:00 - [150] BRUCE doesn't need allies. Just look how they continue to leave Cloud Ring a destabilized mess putting alliance after inept alliance (BCA, DMC, 10TH) in there on a monthly basis just to boot them out at whim, at the same time turning away potential allies in that region and in Syndicate and Outer Ring. BRUCE has gotten a wee attitude since the easy victory over RECON... I am sure someone will humble them soon enough.

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