Originally by: Xaen

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My SAK alt is still pummeled every 30-90 seconds ISK ads in corp chat. And it's painfully obvious what they are. Price lists anyone?

And Xaen still gets 2-3 evemail spams a week, same as before.

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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If you need ISK, then please use the Secure ETC Trading System.

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Originally by: Moraguth

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Now, every time we start denouncing the ISK sellers, some people call us hypocrites because we allow the ISK for ETCs but not ISK for RL money and claim this is the same thing. Nothing could be farther from the truth; the differences are enormous.

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I still haven't seen these "enormous" differences. I agree that ETC stuff is the lesser of two evils, but still.... Basically, people with money to burn irl can use that money to give their eve character more isk. This upsets the ballance. Mostly, i'm upset cause i'm too poor to do it >.<

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

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Originally by: SillyWaif

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Originally by: Xaen

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My SAK alt is still pummeled every 30-90 seconds ISK ads in corp chat. And it's painfully obvious what they are. Price lists anyone?

And Xaen still gets 2-3 evemail spams a week, same as before.

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Maybe it's not an option you (want to) use: I have set my CSPA charge to 1 Mil ISK and after that the number spam mails have greatly reduced. I rarely get them these days, luckily. Intention was 'to make them pay'

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Originally by: Wang Chaupang

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Good intentions, but please explain this: if I fly to a random ICE-belt I can spot several macromining groups. Why don't you see them, let alone do anything about them?

I have never bothered reporting them because there are many comments about them not taken seriously.

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Originally by: GM Faolchu

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I'll be spending the rest of my shift sitting in this channel, so far I haven't see anything but I'll keep an eye out.

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Originally by: Moraguth

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Originally by: GM Grimmi

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Now, every time we start denouncing the ISK sellers, some people call us hypocrites because we allow the ISK for ETCs but not ISK for RL money and claim this is the same thing. Nothing could be farther from the truth; the differences are enormous.

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I still haven't seen these "enormous" differences. I agree that ETC stuff is the lesser of two evils, but still.... Basically, people with money to burn irl can use that money to give their eve character more isk. This upsets the ballance. Mostly, i'm upset cause i'm too poor to do it >.<

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Originally by: Thargat

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They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.

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Originally by: Kayscha

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This just offers RMTers a safe loophole at slightly reduced profits and requiring an extra step, selling time cards for cash at a discount.

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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane

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I'm somewhat offended to be called assorted rabble simply because I like doing the PvE content of EvE!

Surely this can't be what you mean?

If not, an apology would be appropriate ...

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The ability for players to turn RL money into ISK needs to be removed. All this crap about allowing players to 'use ISK to pay' when they otherwise wouldn't have the chance is just crap.

Make an in-game system where you DIRECTLY transfer ISK to CCP and CCP directly adds game time to your account. Period. If your account as expired, then allow a web based interface to accomplish the exact same thing.

No more 3rd party GTC sales and then allowing those GTCs to be traded for ISK. Buy a GTC and use it? Fine. Use ISK in game to purchase more time? Fine. Buy a GTC then trade it for ISK? NOT FINE.

I don't care if it is the 'lesser of two evils'. CCP is directly condoning RMT by allowing this to exist. And there is zero need for it to exist. IMO they don't care about RMT. What they care about is when the RMT doesn't go through THEM, and they don't make the money.

Sure, their system is 'less damaging', but you're still allowing players with stacks of RL money to have a large advantage over someone who doesn't. So yeah CCP, you're still being hypocritical. Don't do it.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Help us raise awareness about this whole issue and together we can change the world of EVE for the better!

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Originally by: Z010

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Originally by: Kayscha

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This just offers RMTers a safe loophole at slightly reduced profits and requiring an extra step, selling time cards for cash at a discount.

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Hardly that. In one sense, and one sense only are they the same. People with cash can buy isk. However, the cash is going into the game (i.e. CCP) and this assists further development of the game. For the seller the isk is used to speed up a process in the game. When it is not ETC the cash goes to a person/people with no interest in EvE other than to make real money from players.

Personally - I have sold GTC via the ETC interface. It is simple, and it is dangerous - in that it can become an addiction - why mine that belt for XXX hours/days when you can sell a GTC and go buy your new EvE gadget, blueprint, etc..

However, I also admit that it has kept me in the game - if I had had to earn all the isk I needed to get my first eve commerce activity going I would have left the game. Eve requires a vision and time, but that is not always "fun". On the otherhand - eventually I hope to buy GTC regularly with the isk I am finally starting to make from these ventures. First I need to get my jump freighter built - about 40% there.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Our very own Customer Service team has written a blog to inform you all about the Secure ETC Trading System and why it should be used. They+re also informing you of some things you might not have been aware of when it comes to Real Money Trading (RMT) like the fact the people you buy from will steal your credit card information if they get the chance, and ISK sellers are also behind macro mining and other things none of us wish to see in EVE. Pleas read Real Money Trading is bad, mkay? to get the full story!

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