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Smakz
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Smakz on 17/04/2008 15:03:48
edit: typos
Hi there,
yesterday I experienced something curious:
To get my standings up (to 8.0 for creating JCs) I was missioning Lvl4's in the Kaka-Laka ..ermà Kakakela area yesterday. One mission ("Vengeance") brought me two jumps away to Umokka, where the mission had to be completed.
I went through the first two stages easily with my Drake, and altho the BSs had a strongheaded tank, I managed to kill them using loads of Navy Scourges to bring 'em down. (Ya, I know àwill use my Raven and torps next time  )
Anyways, in the last stage in which to kill "Rachen Mysina" (or however that dude is called), he just had a shield regen rate, that easily compensated my damage. I was totally stuck in this mission *looksathisraven*.
I didn't want to cancel the mission, so I naively asked in Local, as there were many pilots chitchating and smacking each other in a humorous way, if there's anyone who could help me out. Told them, that I wasn't doing enough damage, regen rate was too high, and that I needed help.
So, what happened next, really made me perplex à and actually a little sad:
Soon many of them where all over me in Local, telling me, that it was a trick, and that I was trying to scam people to get easy kills and stuff like that. I am aware of the fact, that if you are in a fleet, you can kill fleet members without Concord saving your a.s.s., but all I wanted was a helping hand.
After a couple of minutes of discussion, there was a fellow countryman, who helped me with his Rokh and later another pilot joined to help us in webbing Rachen, so I successfully finished the mission thanks to their help.
Are we at that point, that we can virtually trust no one in EVE?
Flame me à I know that it's a cold harsh world out there in space divided into "friends or foes", especially in 0.0, but this incident just made me think of my time, when I started playing EVE a little more than two years ago, and I felt lucky that I have had many supportive pilots helping me around the first time.
Just wanted to share a few of my thoughts with you.
Thanks for reading!!
All the best,
Smak
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Saori Rei
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:06:00 -
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Other than alliance and corp members? Trust no one and pressume everyone is out to get you.
Sad but true.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:07:00 -
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Trusting strangers in EVE generally gets you killed, they were just being cautious.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Smakz
Are we at that point, that we can virtually trust no one in EVE?
Flame me à I know that it's a cold harsh world out there in space divided into "friends or foes", especially in 0.0, but this incident just made me think of my time, when I started playing EVE a little more than two years ago, and I felt lucky that I have had many supportive pilots helping me around the first time.
When I first started playing EVE, I was pretty naive and trusted people much more than I rightfully should have. Thankfully I never got burned in the process, but before long I knew that I needed to guard my trust very closely.
As the eve community grows and newer players become older ones, you have more people that are quite cynical about their fellow players. Some of this cynicism is well-founded, and some of it isn't. I think it can vary a lot based on the individual, and since carebears and empire-dwellers are more frequently the targets of scams/suicide ganks/etc you will find them to be one of the most cynical groups, ironically enough.
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Bulletproof Cupid
SPECTRE Ops
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Smakz
I am aware of the fact, that if you are in a fleet, you can kill fleet members without Concord saving your a.s.s., but all I wanted was a helping hand.
Did this change? you never used to be able to shoot gang members.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:08:00 -
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In EVE trust have to be earned. And the best place to start is "at home". So my advice to you would be join a corporation, make friends and soon you hopefully will have people who you can ask nicely if they could help you out.
EVE is a game which survives and breathes paranoia. But that also mean trust means something in EVE. Its something valuable which takes time to generate, but you can loose it in one second.
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Swift Wind
6rasshopper Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:10:00 -
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In a world this cold, does it suprise you?
As a solo player for 2 years, I am one of the most paranoid people out there, and yes by default I will not trust anyone I don't already know (and most of them I don't trust either).
Part of being successful in EvE is being able to CYA, and part of that is dismissing any possible scam or detrimental actions before they have the chance to affect you.
That is the world, it will not change :) |
Kristiana Lee
Caldari
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kristiana Lee on 17/04/2008 15:11:02
You could have said that the person who responded with help could create the fleet.
Of course, this might open you up to problems with scammers then, but at least any
person genuinely wanting to help would know you were on the level. |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bulletproof Cupid
Originally by: Smakz
I am aware of the fact, that if you are in a fleet, you can kill fleet members without Concord saving your a.s.s., but all I wanted was a helping hand.
Did this change? you never used to be able to shoot gang members.
No it didn't, its not possible. People use alts that they've wardeced to get the entire gang flagged towards them so they can kill you in highsec. |
Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance
Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:11:00 -
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Search for a video called "Carebear Sorrows" and you will learn why people are reeeeeeally cautious who they gang up to mission run with. |
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Shemaul
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:14:00 -
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Mum always used to tell me: "Don't trust strangers, don't even talk with them".
I still thx her for her good advice, in real life as well as in EVE.
Seriously: i can trust strangers in EVE if i get no harm.
If a stranger ask me to sell them 5k scourge missiles in a station, no prob: i ope the trade win, i put missiles, he put money, we both accept.
But in the cold, dark, outside space, where game mechanics don't protect you, it's better to use RL rules of life... |
Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Smakz
Edited by: Smakz on 17/04/2008 15:03:48
stuzs
simple solution.... join a player corp |
Kale Kold
Caldari
Vicious Little Killers
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Saori Rei
Other than alliance and corp members? Trust no one and pressume everyone is out to get you.
Sad but true.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Smakz
Are we at that point, that we can virtually trust no one in EVE?
Correct.
In fact we have always been at that point, it's just some people take a while to catch on.
I has similar problems trying to sell bookmarks to my mission wrecks a while back. You just have to persevere until you can find a sucker someone who will take the risk. |
Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:24:00 -
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A random local can only hurt you by blowing up your ship and pod. The people you REALLY need to be wary of are your Corp leaders. Ya know, the people with the power to steal everything the entire Corp worked for years to get?
But Trust people? Ha... no way. |
Nur Vadenn
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Smakz
Edited by: Smakz on 17/04/2008 15:03:48
stuzs
simple solution.... join a player corp
And what exactly makes the members of a player corporation more trust worthy? Especially when game mechanics make it easier for them to scam/kill/loot you and your belongings.
Honestly there are more reasons to NOT trust members of a player corporation, especially the CEO and officers of a corporation.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nur Vadenn
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Smakz
Edited by: Smakz on 17/04/2008 15:03:48
stuzs
simple solution.... join a player corp
And what exactly makes the members of a player corporation more trust worthy? Especially when game mechanics make it easier for them to scam/kill/loot you and your belongings.
Honestly there are more reasons to NOT trust members of a player corporation, especially the CEO and officers of a corporation.
It depends on the corp, really. It pays to know as much about a corp as you can before you actually join it, or you can end up getting screwed over it.
Based on personal experience, corp/alliance members tend to be more friendly and helpful than the random people I met in local.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Bulletproof Cupid
Originally by: Smakz
I am aware of the fact, that if you are in a fleet, you can kill fleet members without Concord saving your a.s.s., but all I wanted was a helping hand.
Did this change? you never used to be able to shoot gang members.
No it didn't, its not possible. People use alts that they've wardeced to get the entire gang flagged towards them so they can kill you in highsec.
Actually, it did change at some time as you could fire on gangmembers (fleets didn't exist back then) without concord interfering a long time ago. This was changed at some point, I think everyone understands why  .
At this moment by default it's inded the case that you cannot shoot on fleetmembers unless you use the lofty trick.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.04.17 15:58:00 -
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I look at it this way, Trust is required in EvE, the questions are however who DO you trust and HOW much?
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:06:00 -
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As horrible as it is, pretty much yes.
Trust in eve is VERY hard to come by.
I only trust 3 other people on my main completely. One has been with us for a year, one for two years, and the third has been gameing with me for 4 years.
Trust in game is hard to come by. Very hard. Most of us have been burned many many times, trusting someone and finding out they're a spy/theif/whatever.
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Dragons Talon
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:09:00 -
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Quote:
Are we at that point, that we can virtually trust no one in EVE?
Change EVE to world and you have it summed up nicely.
That being said I do help others when I'm feeling lucky and have yet to get shot for it (knock on wood), but I also keep a backup ship just in case *S*
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Faife
Blackrain Solutions
Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:10:00 -
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It's webs of trust. I play in solitude cause it's so small that everyone knows everyone. If someone is a trustworthy player, word gets out that they and their corp are blue. As soon as they break it, they and their corp are red and stay red.
This at least makes it possible to help out-of-alliance members with stuff, though to be honest I still wouldn't bring my top mission ship to help a known blue, just in case...
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Saori Rei
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Saori Rei
Other than alliance and corp members? Trust no one and pressume everyone is out to get you.
Sad but true.
Oh noes!!! Opponents in a game!!!!!
Silly man intentionally misunderstanding what I posted :P
It's all well and good that there are opponents in a PvP game, but for an MMO to breed such distrust amongst people like this can't be healthy for the game, especially amongst the newer members who need cooperation to survive missioning, ratting, etc. |
Smakz
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:27:00 -
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WHOA! ... not on for a couple of hours and there are a bunch of replies
umm ... ok, very nice.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:29:00 -
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Well you can't really expect people to put their ships on the line for some John Doe.
People trust each other all the time in eve, but not people they don't know.
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Smakz
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Trusting strangers in EVE generally gets you killed, they were just being cautious.
Thx Tamia,
yes I truly understand why they reacted, how they did. And many of them added, that it's not personal ... it's just they "got burned" in the past, as someone stated in this thread here.
All the best,
Smak
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Smakz
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
In EVE trust have to be earned. And the best place to start is "at home". So my advice to you would be join a corporation, make friends and soon you hopefully will have people who you can ask nicely if they could help you out.
EVE is a game which survives and breathes paranoia. But that also mean trust means something in EVE. Its something valuable which takes time to generate, but you can loose it in one second.
Dude, you are absolutely right!
I am with a great corp roaming in PureBlind, this is my alt I'm posting with (and you might guess, which char is my main *pointstosig*). This is the 3rd corp I've been with (not adding the NPCs) and what I've learned so far is, that the only ones you have out there are your wingmen. These peeps help you out ... if you're in the right Corp.
I agree with you, that trust is something valubale and easy to lose, but fortunately so far no one has turned me in by now *knockknock*
All the best,
Smak
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Smakz
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kristiana Lee
Edited by: Kristiana Lee on 17/04/2008 15:11:02
You could have said that the person who responded with help could create the fleet.
Of course, this might open you up to problems with scammers then, but at least any
person genuinely wanting to help would know you were on the level.
Kristiana,
ya true. Haven't thought of that, but that probably would have proven, that I'm not trying to scam people.
Something I'll try next time ... and hopefully not being scammed 
All the best,
Smak
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Van'Klomp
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.04.17 16:53:00 -
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Never been in this situation before, but I have helped others in missions.
Simple solution is offer to let whoever is helping you create the fleet. This opens you up to much more danger than them, but trust will be more forthcoming.
For me, trust is something to be earned. Show you are willing to take steps to earn trust and you'll get on with folks fine.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.17 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 17/04/2008 17:07:59
I'm still wondering how the OP failed to finish the mission tbh.
Leave Rachen until last, dock, fit bcu's, kill Rachen.
He isn't *that* tough, even in a drake.
*Oh, as to the trust question .. don't. Where would the fun be if everyone could be taken at face value?
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