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DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:34:00 - [1] This has to be the most annoying thing CCP does every single time they patch the game. STOP FCKING WITH MY OVERVIEW SETTINGS! The latest adventure is now moons are icons and show up when you highlight a cluster of belts or planets. Other than warping your dread to the moon to shoot a pos, who needs the damn moon icon? I mean really, every pos that is friendly should be bookmarked. I just went through a 30 minute session of changing overview settings and making new tabs to overlay them so they go away. Do you really think the average eve player is going to figure this all out, how to remove it? Why add more crap to the screen to add to your largest problem of lag? Why *** off your clients very freaking patch? Anyways thats my rant, if people need it we will put together a tutorial abour how to eliminate useless sh*t from your screen. WildCat
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:42:00 - [2] When you patch, don't tell the auto-patcher to launch EVE after finishing. Your settings will remain intact.
FishtheMoose Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:49:00 - [3] If that's true they should put some glue on this thread.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:50:00 - [4] Originally by: FishtheMoose If that's true they should put some glue on this thread. Better yet, fix the patcher so it doesn't frack with settings.
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: FishtheMoose If that's true they should put some glue on this thread. Better yet, fix the patcher so it doesn't frack with settings. What he said. PS. WildCat, stfu please.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:53:00 - [6] my overview settings were not modified by the patch by the way, why does that DHB guy always color his text?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: FishtheMoose If that's true they should put some glue on this thread. Better yet, fix the patcher so it doesn't frack with settings. But why rely on such static solutions implemented by CCP so solve problems when we have the playerbase to come up with effective and adaptive solutions?
FishtheMoose Uncle Fester's Olde Tyme Barbershoppe	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: FishtheMoose If that's true they should put some glue on this thread. Better yet, fix the patcher so it doesn't frack with settings. Hehe, true, but I'm just trying to be realistic. BOOM! Oops.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:03:00 - [9] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 17/04/2008 18:05:58 Well from the replies, I see that this only affected pilots I personally know. If you overview and screen does not show icons for moons on it then you are lucky. It was very difficult to get rid of them. I can not tell you how frustrating it was to log in and actually see moons on my screen. I mean really, you know how long it took me to figure out about new tabs, and how to overlay and eliminate certain brackets, while maintaining others? However if this only affected 1 percent of Eve then fine. I will retract everything I said. If this has affected you, let us known and we will tell you how to eliminate the moons from the screen. WildCat
Orchid Ix Behind The Stars	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:10:00 - [10] Overview settings didn't get reset here.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:24:00 - [11] How do you get rid of all the moons popping up when you mouseover a cluster anyhow? I figured I was just boned until CCP fixes it. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:26:00 - [12] ... giev the Devs a broke. Mabe it was harded to did. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:29:00 - [13] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 17/04/2008 18:30:55 Originally by: Corwain How do you get rid of all the moons popping up when you mouseover a cluster anyhow? I figured I was just boned until CCP fixes it. Well if you ask any of these other asshats you patched incorrectly, however, I will tell you that you need to get orientated with the new bracket function in the overview settings. Right click on the default tab, and chose add new tab. This is a new overview setting in function but you'll use them to eliminate the brackets. Make sure to include everything you want. Overlay them, and since moons are unchecked in the second setting they should no longer appear on your screen. Your not screwed, CCP are just a bunch of a idiots worried more about appearance "omg we can add moons isnt that cool" instead of performance. WildCat
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Sacul on 17/04/2008 18:32:07 Originally by: Corwain I figured I was just boned until CCP fixes it. What he said, so i am part of 1% of eve, great The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:35:00 - [15] Edited by: Alz Shado on 17/04/2008 18:35:10 What Burns Me 21% - Curling Iron 9% - Angry yellow ball of fire in the sky 36% - Phoenix, rising from ashes I mistook for coke 14% - Dev Blog? I don't need no stinking Devblog! 20% - H2SO4 //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad) "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.17 21:17:00 - [16] You have to reconfig your bracket settings not overview settings for the bracket. To me it doesn't make sense but hey I really don't enjoy spending a night figuring this out. I have no clue how to get moons off of basic overviews though. I think I'm not the only one that doesn't want 20 Brackets across my screen.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.17 21:58:00 - [17] Edited by: clone 1 on 17/04/2008 21:59:03 Why go to the trouble of setting up overview settings when their operation will change in a month or so? Or why go to the trouble when they are wiped every patch, or why go to the trouble when the dance around the screen every time you undock or join a fleet. CCP has worked out how to **** off players via overview to a fine art -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir. Tread Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.17 22:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Orchid Ix Overview settings didn't get reset here. Same here. Maybe it just affects people who always post in orange text for no good reason?
The macdaddy Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.17 23:28:00 - [19] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 17/04/2008 22:15:30 This has to be the most annoying thing CCP does every single time they patch the game. STOP FCKING WITH MY OVERVIEW SETTINGS! Im being told to add that I am including new tabs and brackets as part of the overview setting since, well geez thats where they are located. The latest adventure is now moons are icons and show up when you highlight a cluster of belts or planets. Other than warping your dread to the moon to shoot a pos, who needs the damn moon icon? I mean really, every pos that is friendly should be bookmarked. I just went through a 30 minute session of changing overview settings and making new tabs to overlay them so they go away. Do you really think the average eve player is going to figure this all out, how to remove it? Why add more crap to the screen to add to your largest problem of lag? Why *** off your clients very freaking patch? Anyways thats my rant, if people need it we will put together a tutorial abour how to eliminate useless sh*t from your screen. WildCat Dude.......why are you poasting in ginger? I typed This with my nose!
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:33:00 - [20] Originally by: DHB WildCat Do you really think the average eve player is going to figure this all out, how to remove it? Well, you figured it out, so yeah, the average player shouldn't have any issues
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Frug on 18/04/2008 07:40:16 Originally by: Maglorre Originally by: DHB WildCat Do you really think the average eve player is going to figure this all out, how to remove it? Well, you figured it out, so yeah, the average player shouldn't have any issues Hahaha two points. Seriously, the default overview setup is lame but figuring out how to use tabs isn't rocket science. It's a dumb interface (like most of the UI in eve it's organized really stupidly) but cmon people.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:46:00 - [22] Settings intact for all tested accounts. Btw I run /LUA:OFF on all accounts - thus I never use the "launch" button on patch as it would run the client without LUA.

Cryselle MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.18 08:00:00 - [23] I think this is a mini-game CCP has implemented. Instead of playing Eve, I'm fooling around with Overview Tabs, Brackets and what not. Fun at beginning....very very annoying at the end - especially when you finally figured it out through test&trial - and then boom..gone again.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.18 08:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Tarminic When you patch, don't tell the auto-patcher to launch EVE after finishing. Your settings will remain intact. That is not the fix. I always launch from the patcher and I haven't lost my settings in a long while. This is on two machines, one XP, one Vista. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:07:00 - [25] Well, my client waits till a few days have passed, and then resets everything at random, at different times. Channels one login, overview the next, and the third one, I lose it all, except that I now target back the first 5 things I get locked by. Is it so much to ask for a simple settings file that one can make patch-proof?
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:08:00 - [26] Launched using the autopatcher button, didn't lose my settings But on the brackets front i'm much happier to have full control over what appears on my screen instead of it just being set by ccp... I now have a moons setting, a planets setting, a fleet combat setting, a belts setting and so on and by turning them off in fleet you get a remarkably large performance increase Oh and backup your settings before you patch if this keeps happening, that way you can just drop them back into the right place after its deleted them and you keep them as is... And finally stop posting in orange its not big and its not clever
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:46:00 - [27] I don't actually 'get' brackets :( what are they?
Drizit Amarr FREEDOM FIRST Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:54:00 - [28] The only overview gripe I have is that every time I undock now, I have to select one of my presets from the list. Each time I undock, it tells me I have an unsaved overview selection even though I dock with a preset selected. Every time it is random what is on the overview, sometimes gates, sometimes roid belts and sometimes all the faction/police/trade ships, never always the same settings, the only thing that remains constant is the stations.
Robdon	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:01:00 - [29] Originally by: FireFoxx80 I don't actually 'get' brackets :( what are they? Brackets... ha ha... Has to be the most complicated solution to remove them that I've ever seen. Which idiot thought that up.
Zhett Haukes Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:24:00 - [30] It's annoying, but not as annoying as orange text.
Kali Ananda Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:20:00 - [31] I LOVE that the moons show up as brackets in space now, it makes quick scans for enemy POS's, ships, ect much quicker. Time is of the essence, and knowing where the moons are while working the directional scanner is a huge time saver. And I get to kill people faster. Kali Ananda POD-U Director
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Corstaad on 18/04/2008 21:55:44 Do you realize you used to be able to have a normal overview up and just ALT push for this? My only real irks after figuring it out is the wasted Default bracket, the amount of brackets I'll have, and overviews having moons on them.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Corstaad Do you realize you used to be able to have a normal overview up and just ALT push for this? yeah, i wish they would bring this back as well. brackets are neat and everything, but i want to mess with the overview as little as possible when im fighting/chasing peeps. Otherwise I turn on the default accidentally and then i cannot find targets on my overview. as is now, i just leave the moons up in space....they are distracting when looking for the "normal" direction scan icons such as belts, planets, and gates. Not the end of the world, but a regression in usability just the same. P.S. I have never lost my overview settings except on the patches that intentionally deleted the settings, which we havent had in awhile now. Even my pre-made drone groups persist in the correct ships. Other people i know haveto constantly setup the overview stuff. Wish we could nail down a common theme amongst those having problems. Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
Allwix	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Originally by: Corstaad Do you realize you used to be able to have a normal overview up and just ALT push for this? Alt-Z now rather than ALT alone.
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.04.18 23:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Tarminic When you patch, don't tell the auto-patcher to launch EVE after finishing. Your settings will remain intact. Truely???? Where was that posted??? Ok yeah CCP don't care about us, just thier pets... PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT BRING THE BRIGHT STAR BACK!!!
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Allwix Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Originally by: Corstaad Do you realize you used to be able to have a normal overview up and just ALT push for this? Alt-Z now rather than ALT alone. Allwiz is the man you just got rid of one of my brackets!!
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:58:00 - [37] In EVE 2008, configuring your client is a major PVP skill ... At least they added something challenging when the rest of the game was dumbed down gradually. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.19 01:07:00 - [38] I actually agree with Wildcat on everything about brackets. I have icons randomly disappearing in space all the f-ing time, making stuff damn near impossible to select, and I can't just hit ALT anymore to bring up the bracket. I am now up to 6 overview tabs, three of which are just saved as bracket settings for the three tabs I actually use, since there is no direct way to edit brackets other than setting them from an overview tab. If there was a way to select bracket settings on the overview settings panel, it would be useful. In it's current form it is a pain in the ass. When you have rats removed from your overview and their brackets disappear, you can't see them... losing an interceptor or similar small ship to a gate or belt rats would just be lame. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:12:00 - [39] Originally by: techzer0 I am now up to 6 overview tabs, three of which are just saved as bracket settings for the three tabs I actually use, since there is no direct way to edit brackets other than setting them from an overview tab. If there was a way to select bracket settings on the overview settings panel, it would be useful. In it's current form it is a pain in the ass. When you have rats removed from your overview and their brackets disappear, you can't see them... losing an interceptor or similar small ship to a gate or belt rats would just be lame. I'm not quite sure what you are saying here but I find it works very well. I've taken to setting up two overview settings for each tab that I want, say.. "Not Blue" and "Not Blue Brackets". The brackets one will normally be similar but may include a couple of things I don't normally want on the overview (a common one for me here is drones, I want to see them in space but not on the overview). Then you create the tab and set the overview and bracket filters by selecting the appropriate overview setting. It's also easy to change. Simply load the overview or bracket setup you want to change, change it and save it again (would be nice to have a "Overwrite selected overview" option for this) Admittedly the brackets/tabs setup really isn't what I'd call intuitive but once you have figured it out it's fairly easy to work with.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:27:00 - [40] Yup, this moons popping up when trying to click on belts is really ****ing me off whilst roaming
Caleese New Eden Research And Design School	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:33:00 - [41] Don't know what you're crying about to be honest. I haven't lost my settings since before trinity came out. In fact during the installation of the last patch my computer crapped itself and I was forced to redownload eve and reinstall it. When I logged in all my settings were still there, and everything was sweet. As for the brackets, they've given a lot more flexibility to the overview. If it's a tad complex for you I suggest not posting on the forums any more coz you'll just end up make more of a fool of yourself. (The orange txt doesn't help either. Mother not give you enough attention when you were younger?) ----------------- Think of someone you consider of average intelligence... now realise this. Half the worlds population is dumber than that person. How does the world survive such stupidity?
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Tarminic When you patch, don't tell the auto-patcher to launch EVE after finishing. Your settings will remain intact. Sorry dude but nope, I never let it boot my eve and it has done the same thing with me.
Tako Alvarez Gallente Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.19 15:14:00 - [43] Originally by: techzer0 I actually agree with Wildcat on everything about brackets. I have icons randomly disappearing in space all the f-ing time, making stuff damn near impossible to select, and I can't just hit ALT anymore to bring up the bracket. I am now up to 6 overview tabs, three of which are just saved as bracket settings for the three tabs I actually use, since there is no direct way to edit brackets other than setting them from an overview tab. If there was a way to select bracket settings on the overview settings panel, it would be useful. In it's current form it is a pain in the ass. When you have rats removed from your overview and their brackets disappear, you can't see them... losing an interceptor or similar small ship to a gate or belt rats would just be lame. This is exactly what I asked myself after fiddling around with brackets. Why in the world they didn¦t make it an independant setting for Brackets only. Right now as I unsterstand it the bracket setting receives the on/off mode for brackets from the items that are enabled (visible) from overview which you apply to the bracket tab. But there is still stuff not showing up properly. For example I would like to see the states (like green and blue stars) from my corp and alliance mates, I couldn¦t figure out how to activate these without having brackets for them or even with brackets. Just a no go and at least 1 hour wasted on these settings
Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.19 15:53:00 - [44] Brackets can be different from your current overview. I could make overview settings A, B and C. Each with their own tab. Then go onto the tab for overview A and load the bracket settings based on overview C. Simple. ---- Nothing is as it appears; nor is it anything else.
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.19 22:37:00 - [45] Its not simple and not we'll thought out there a ton of people with loads of Overview settings. A example is I have different settings for when I fly SB then a rifter. My ruppy is totally different from Blackbird. Travel settings, PvE settings, Complex setting, etc.. I can go one with no crap atleast 20 different overviews I have. I'm almost positive as well that there is alot of people that have more then me. Its alot of people assuming that since they have two brackets setup its all fine.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.21 03:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Laura Steel Brackets can be different from your current overview. I could make overview settings A, B and C. Each with their own tab. Then go onto the tab for overview A and load the bracket settings based on overview C. Simple. Of course you can. I have overview settings A, B, C. Then I also have overview settings bracket tabs Aa, Bb, Cc. I don't use the same sets of brackets for everything, when ratting I want belts, planets, wrecks and rats, which means I have to have those on my overview to see the brackets for them... so Aa would have everything I want to see in space on setting A. Same goes for PVP/Scanning, I have a scanning tab with moons enabled, but I don't want to see them on the overview just in space... Alt+Z has never worked for me other than turning all of my brackets on or off a couple times then magically making some disapper, like... I can see rats on my overview, but no red cross in space, or vice versa... or even not being able to see them at all, oh joy! tl:dr -- All I want is it to be like it already is for overview settings but along next to 'Open overview settings' have a 'Open Bracket Settings' where you can customize which brackets show on which overview tab, without doubling the number of tabs that you need.

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