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Nocturrne Primitive
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:48:00 -
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I Vote Yes to a Linux Client! Actually, any Linux support would be very nice, as I am running it in wine. |
Fascist Jockitch
Achura Solutions
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:50:00 -
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Yes, please give us some Linux support. I am using Ubuntu with an Nvidia GPU. |
Venus ThighTrap
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:52:00 -
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Yes, please for Linux support. |
Pom Agrant
Achura Solutions
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:53:00 -
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I vote YES for a Linux client. Thx |
Professor Bonehead
Evil Young Flesh
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:55:00 -
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Yes for a Linux client. I've been using it, painfully, for years. |
T3RMi3
IDEON ANDRON HELL4S
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:21:00 -
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I Vote Yes to a NATIVE Linux Client. Thanks |
Calleo Vaillis
M.R.A Santa Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:50:00 -
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I Vote Yes to a NATIVE Linux Client. Thanks |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:58:00 -
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*Yawn*
Can't really recognize a dead horse when you see one, huh? << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Linsel Harvnor
Optic Nerve Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:44:00 -
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Sometimes you have to beat a dead horse a WHOLE LOT before there's any hope of bringing it back to life.
I'd love native Linux support.
Failing that, I'd love some sort of official support of running EVE under Wine. The unofficial support we have right now seems to be working fairly well, however.... |
Jakob Hok
Against the Machines
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:40:00 -
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I Vote Yes to a NATIVE Linux Client. Thanks
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:29:00 -
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Well, I would like to see the following, as I just said, Bu-Bye to Windows (typing this on my new installed 12.04 Ubuntu laptop and when my ASUS gets back I am pretty sure that is going to Ubuntu also, was going to windows 7 64-bit, but I am just not at all happy with the whole MS/Windows thing anymore...
Would love a WINE (HOW TO)
And would love to see any assistance in making Linux stable and workable.
MS/W8 = they finally "Jumped the shark" - I think MS and Apple are both due to decline... MS due to crappy product, and Apple due to their financial situation, they are going to start to lose holders as the stock has topped out, and with that less working capital...
Anyway +1 for any pro-Linux move. it's all about the Frame Rate... |
Fantu
Lupi di Wotan Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:28:00 -
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I Vote Yes to a native Linux Client or at least native launcher/updater, help to improve wine support, and game stability (last is platform independent).
For some years now my servers are just Linux, partial for work but I'm finally to migrate completely to Linux with Ubuntu 12.04. Only one computer has been with windows 7 but since the increase of good native games for Linux and the continued disappointment of windows for stability, efficiency and safety. Most likely go on to linux within one year also with gaming, I hope that Eve will be functioning well, even on multiple instances. |
Jane Baker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:17:00 -
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I agree on the WINE testing end of things. A Linux native client is far more work for them than simply testing their product with WINE. It is far too much to ask and it is not profitable for CCP to rewrite all graphics code. An easier path to running it with WINE would be plenty good for me. Playing EVE has been hell for me, as I run into no end of trouble every time there is an update of either WINE or EVE. I would much appreciate dedicated WINE testing from CCP. |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:32:00 -
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I'm not sure how useful it is to post this, but I'd very much like to see something better as well. I'm voting with my feet right now and staying with CCP, but all it'll take is a period of a week where I can't run the game and I'll change my vote.
That said, I'm very flexible with regard to how support for GNU/Linux is implemented. As much as I'd love a native client, I'd be content with Wine being a first-class support target.
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Miracle Chipmunk Otsito
Gnome Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.01 08:33:00 -
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I would love to see a native Linux client, but we all know that's WAY too much work. I'd at least like to see a small group of devs dedicated to WINE compatibility. Only 2 or 3 devs should be enough. |
Khi3l
Babylon Knights Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.01 11:14:00 -
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Miracle Chipmunk Otsito wrote:I would love to see a native Linux client, but we all know that's WAY too much work. I'd at least like to see a small group of devs dedicated to WINE compatibility. Only 2 or 3 devs should be enough.
Only one should be...
Before the launcher, all worked fine but now, we have to deal with wine config everyday (now patches are everyday), passing our time switching dll from b,n to n,b... THIS MUST BE FIXED !
CQ doesn't work on Linux, it shouldn't be so difficult to make it work... THIS MUST BE FIXED !
That's all. |
Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.06.01 11:51:00 -
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Khi3l wrote:Miracle Chipmunk Otsito wrote:I would love to see a native Linux client, but we all know that's WAY too much work. I'd at least like to see a small group of devs dedicated to WINE compatibility. Only 2 or 3 devs should be enough. Only one should be... Before the launcher, all worked fine but now, we have to deal with wine config everyday (now patches are everyday), passing our time switching dll from b,n to n,b... THIS MUST BE FIXED ! CQ doesn't work on Linux, it shouldn't be so difficult to make it work... THIS MUST BE FIXED ! That's all.
I don't have to switch ... works with one profile ...
also you can create application specifi dll overrides ..... |
Zo Khamez
Miomi Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:04:00 -
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I agree with the OP... I would like to see a Native Linux client... one that does not use WINE...
I am a die hard Linux fan and also a computer programmer in RL. I would love to have an opportunity at writing a Native Linux client... and if it interests CCP, I would love to be hired by CCP to write the Native Linux client for them. :)
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Zo Khamez
Miomi Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.13 16:14:00 -
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Zo Khamez wrote:I agree with the OP... I would like to see a Native Linux client... one that does not use WINE...
I am a die hard Linux fan and also a computer programmer in RL. I would love to have an opportunity at writing a Native Linux client... and if it interests CCP, I would love to be hired by CCP to write the Native Linux client for them. :)
I have at one point, multi-boxed 8 separate accounts concurrently within the game (a mining fleet, whoohoo). I had set the resolution to 1280x512 and spread them out evenly over 4 monitors (all 1280x1024). Then I simply interacted with each client in order to perform the work of a whole mining fleet (mining, hauling, security). A lot of work, but very fun too!
I have a few great ideas about how I think the Native Linux Client should work: 1. The linux kernel now supports KSM (Kernel Samepage Merging) This feature was originally intended for KVM use. Each EVE client consumes roughly 800MB to 1GB of RAM. It would be great if all the "static data" (models, ships, stations, characters, etc) would use the KSM to keep only one copy of all that data in RAM... the "dynamic data" (what you are currently doing in EVE, wallet, inventory, etc) would be unique to each client. This would be a huge improvement to memory consumption. I suspect that this could also be done (and benefit all the other clients to) using IPC or shared memory.
2. If CCP takes a page out of the World of Warcraft book... perhaps it could be possible to switch between DirectX and OpenGL rendering libraries. I'm not 100% sure how they do it now, but I believe that CCP can do the same thing. I am not afraid to undertake the challenge of this.
Some of the most difficult challenges are consequently the most rewarding too. I hope CCP seriously considers hiring me for this task!
Thanks.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:19:00 -
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WoW does OpenGL and DirectX natively because Blizzard fully supports Mac OSX. Mac is OpenGL for its rendering. It would likely be trivial for Blizzard to support Linux for all their games that run on OSX. Especially considering OSX is a highly modified *nix operating system.
How does EVE support OSX? is it somehow emulated or is it using OGL natively? |
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:59:00 -
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Viktor Fyretracker wrote:How does EVE support OSX? is it somehow emulated or is it using OGL natively? It's Cider: http://transgaming.com/cider
Which is basically a WINE derived, Windows compatibility layer for MacOS. The original codebase was the same. Transgaming is the company which teamed up with CCP and (thru their now-discontinued Cedega WINE spinoff) provided the original CCP Linux client when the expansion Trinity shipped - end of 2007.
There has never been (and I believe never will) a native OpenGL client. The Windows client is unironically DirectX and both the actual Mac client and the now defunct Linux client are DirectX+WINE libs clients, released in various states of usability.
CCP is historically a Microsoft shop. This may change with Dust and their link with Sony.
But the game client is built around DirectX. I don't think it's trivial to OpenGL'ize it. And for sure it's not a priority for the icelanders. Their Windows client works, their Mac client somehow works, what they'd gain with such a deep codepath change? << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Zo Khamez
Miomi Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:25:00 -
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I was just reading an article posted last March in which John Carmack (co-founder of id software, which made the original Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, and Quake 3 gmaes) is quoted for stating that DirectX has now surpassed and is better than OpenGL.
Additionally, I found some articles (still digging through them) that seem to indicate that there is a new driver (Gallium) which supports DirectX10/11 natively on Linux. For the NVIDIA players (such as myself), it seems like the API path would involve EVE + WINE + Gallium3D + Nouveau. I'm currently running the binary nvidia driver and would need to switch over to the open source nouveau driver.
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Sal Alo
Pane e Panelle
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Posted - 2012.06.19 06:09:00 -
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I'd love a native linux client but an insured WINE compatibility will work wonders! |
L0krin
Methodical Destruction The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:49:00 -
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I Vote Yes to a Linux Client, right now eve is the only thing keeping me from switching to Linux on my desktop. Everything else I do works in SuSe Linux. I dont really want to have to mess with setting up eve in WINE and installing patches with WINE. The Linux Community is still growing, I hope that CCP sees this thread and realizes that people really do want to play eve on Linux. |
Zo Khamez
Miomi Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:42:00 -
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Does anyone have any experience with the Nouveau / Mesa / Gallium 3D drivers? I am considering switches from the closed source binary driver that NVidia provides. I have a GeForce 9500 GT card.
If so, what kind of performance are you getting (CPU usage and FPS)? Would you mind sharing your configuration?
Have you tried running multiple clients? If so, how many have you gotten up to?
I'm getting lower FPS (around 20 or so) and each clients hogs 100% of a core (i.e. 3 clients = 3 cores hogged). |
Zwo Zateki
Zwo Zateki Corporation
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:49:00 -
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Zo Khamez wrote:Does anyone have any experience with the Nouveau / Mesa / Gallium 3D drivers? I am considering switches from the closed source binary driver that NVidia provides. I have a GeForce 9500 GT card.
If so, what kind of performance are you getting (CPU usage and FPS)? Would you mind sharing your configuration?
Have you tried running multiple clients? If so, how many have you gotten up to?
I'm getting lower FPS (around 20 or so) and each clients hogs 100% of a core (i.e. 3 clients = 3 cores hogged). EVE fails to load textures properly w/ Nouveau. Stick to NVIDIA blob. |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:47:00 -
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@Zo: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=gallium&forumID=274
@L0krin: The mythical WINE complexity is just that: a myth. You're free to believe what you want, but I wouldn't be surprised if one day you set aside your laziness and realize just how easy is to have EVE working under WINE if you do everything right. I'm playing EVE since Trinity on a machine that doesn't even have a Windows partition. These days I'm able to multibox two EVE clients and Diablo3 at once with a very satisfactory experience (I wouldn's say "without problems", but YMMV), and just a bit of configuration wisdom gathered in this very forum.
@Sal: suca!
<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:23:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:@L0krin: The mythical WINE complexity is just that: a myth. You're free to believe what you want, but I wouldn't be surprised if one day you set aside your laziness and realize just how easy is to have EVE working under WINE if you do everything right. I'm playing EVE since Trinity on a machine that doesn't even have a Windows partition. These days I'm able to multibox two EVE clients and Diablo3 at once with a very satisfactory experience (I wouldn's say "without problems", but YMMV), and just a bit of configuration wisdom gathered in this very forum.
While I have had EVE running in Wine since... God knows when... Lately it's become a bigger pain in the arse.
CQ -- while I'm not bothered by it -- either crashes to desktop or has a massive spaz out to the point of having to manually sigkill wine; then with the new launcher, having to switch one or more dll's from native to builtin every time you want to update (I seem to need to do this to a varying amount of dll's depending on what mood the launcher is in), then putting them back again to play is not, to me, running very well.
But I do agree that you *can* not use Windows (I don't have a Windows partition either), just it's not as simple for EVE as it was. |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:08:00 -
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CQ: not bothering with it since two days after release of Incarna. Sorry if any of you may take offense, but my game happens in space, not in a room.
DLL juggling: I solved once and for all with the program profiles:
1) Launch "winecfg" from any shell.
2) In the "Applications" tab, click "Add Application..."
3) In the text field, type "eve.exe" and click "Open"
4) Notice your eve.exe is added and highlighted, then in the "Libraries" tab, set the overrides to "native,builtin" for msvcr(t|80|90|100).
5) Return to the "Applications" tab, click again on "Add Application..." and this time type "ExeFile.exe", then click "Open"
6) Highlight the new entry, go in the "Libraries" tab, and set the overrides to "builtin,native" for the usual libs.
This way you can launch the launcher, update the launcher, update the client, click play on launcher, run the client directly, etc. without having to change any override ever again.
Six simple, clear steps, done once, and the client behaves exactly as it should. I really don't know what kind of perceived difficulty may it appear to be, once you decide to use a Unix derivative operating system. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.06.21 09:02:00 -
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I've not bothered with CQ really either, as I said before. But it's still a feature of the game that doesn't work.
Regarding the DLL switching, I am fully aware of wine application specific overrides; as I said before though, I don't always have to change the same DLL's and sometimes setting them all to native then builtin doesn't help -- adding an entry for the launcher makes no odds as I still have to go into winecfg and mix and match until it works.
What you have to remember is that wine is completely situational; what might work for you, doesn't necessarily work for others.
Also, I wasn't saying it was difficult, merely that it is more of a pain than it used to be. |
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