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Adira Barek
Tillistrian Enterprises The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:25:00 -
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Hello all, well as many of us already know eve online does not have a Linux client yet. Windows Users and Mac users have their clients but not us Linux users. I am Starting this petition for eve to make us a client, So the we can fully enjoy the game without work around like we have to now. We are a very big community of gamers in which help in many ways in the community of Linux. So can I please get every one that wants to sign this petition to post a reply Saying " I Vote Yes to a Linux Client". Thank you every one for your time and consideration. Safe Flying |
Elegbara
White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:47:00 -
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Uh. No?
I'd vote for "Testing with wine" and/or "Hiring a dedicated Linux programmer to fix bugs in wine which hinder eve". But not another wine distribution bundled with eve client, thank you. |
Adira Barek
Tillistrian Enterprises The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:49:00 -
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I can understand every ones fear of this happening in the sense of them messing it up bad and making it more of a problem than a remedy, but isn't that what the Linux development community does we strive for things to be accepted in our way to, Also to help out in anyway we can in these Developments. Windows is a primary operating system Linux is pushed back into the closet and forgot about. I say Give them a chance and one all things have come and they have done there best then make the choice to accept the new client or to throw it away. they have come a long way in many things. lets give them a chance and Give us a chance to truly enjoy the way we choose to compute and game. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:07:00 -
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There was a Linux client before, it wasn't native but used Cedega to wrap the Windows client.
Premium graphics weren't supported in the Linux client, so no one used it (to get premium graphics, they ran the Windows Premium client under Wine). This led to Linux support being dropped about 3 years ago.
The existing Mac client is not native but uses a similar wrapper solution. A truly NATIVE Linux client would require all of the DirectX programming to be converted to OpenGL and that's not likely to happen.
Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Adira Barek
Tillistrian Enterprises The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:11:00 -
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Well weather they mack a all native Linux client to do as your post describes im on board for ither |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:28:00 -
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Better if they just treat current Wine releases as a proper version of Windows to support. |
Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:22:00 -
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I am with Elegbara on this one ... |
Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:40:00 -
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Same for me ! |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.29 11:04:00 -
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It's again the "ask for a native client" period of the year?
If the result is anywhere near what the original CCP Linux client, then please no. Asking them to rewrite the graphic codepath for OpenGL instead of DirectX is frankly asking too much.
The best we can do is to keep nudging the devs into unofficially testing the client against current WINE, but that's it.
I'd vote for a "best effort" request to CCP to include a way to identify a Windows client running under WINE, so to be able to be counted as linux users. A settings option, a config keyword, some code to fetch WINE registry keys (but be known that's an unreliable method, deprecated by WINE devs), whatever. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Zaaark Quasar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:01:00 -
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Linux is future, CCP should be part of it. |
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Zaaark Quasar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:02:00 -
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Elegbara wrote:Uh. No?
I'd vote for "Testing with wine" and/or "Hiring a dedicated Linux programmer to fix bugs in wine which hinder eve". But not another wine distribution bundled with eve client, thank you. Wine is crap, and always will be. Also in future there will not be need for Wine, since Windows is down. Touche. |
Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.04 20:46:00 -
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Actually, they should target Wine as their primary Windows target. Then they'd have optimum compatability with all platforms with only a single build ;) |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:55:00 -
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Zaaark Quasar wrote: Also in future there will not be need for Wine, since Windows is down. Touche.
Wouldn't you agree that if Windows is down there would be even more need for wine because of all the legacy win32 software you couldn't use anymore like old games and stuff? |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.06 09:42:00 -
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Zaaark Quasar wrote:since Windows is down In what parallel universe?
Sure not in ours. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:18:00 -
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I have an old Windows XP box with 2GB of ram and a quad core Linux box with 8GB of ram. I would like to run Eve on my new machine so YES for Linux.
Be nice if there were a sticky at the top with instructions for installing on Linux. Be nice if the person maintaining that sticky actually worked for CCP. |
Rammix
FreeWorkers
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Posted - 2012.03.14 02:42:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:It's again the "ask for a native client" period of the year? The best we can do is to keep nudging the devs into unofficially testing the client against current WINE, but that's it.
I agree. For the present day that would be good enough. At this moment, we (linux users) just need access to CQ. Except CQ (game crashes on entering it) everything's working fine. Though, I think it would be great if CCP asked WINE developers' cooperation, maybe even under NDA. For the sake of both EVE and Linux. Like someone said, Linux is the future. |
Darkpepper
Ksatra Varuna Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:44:00 -
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We do not need a native version, Eve seems to use DX and VCRun so a linux version would just mean : rewrite the game.
No, but if CCP just take a day before each new release to test EVE under Wine/POL/Cedega whatever and POST the solution to make it run... it would be great.
All what we can do here is to guess what is going wrong .. maybe we have to change this DLL for the native one... ? ... or not ?
But CCP has the source and is able to test and understand what's going on very quickly...
There are a lot of linux users playing Eve
I think, It's not a lot of time to spend :
-Adding a "under linux" test to the bench -Posting a methodology
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Kuroi Aurgnet
Guilt Brigade Blitzkrieg Federation Of The Dumpster Punchers
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Posted - 2012.03.17 19:01:00 -
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I KNOW! they should make eve open source and let linux users recode it for linux!
trolling aside, it would be nice if they could do SOMETHING for the linux community because i feel like it might increase their player base a little bit. The problem here is its just one more thing that we ALL know CCP is too lazy to do, if you look at their track record. You might be better off begging the makers of WINE to rebuild WINE in a way that it would support games better, because you'll get the same effect. But in all seriousness, my troll idea up there is a decent one in a way that if they have a team of people willing to do it, then they should just have that team of people sign some contract saying they wont steal data and let THEM do it....
incoherent paragraph translated: It would be nice but no one is going to do it
Just that hint of cynicism the world needs now and then. |
LordArcher
Red Alpha Strike
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Posted - 2012.03.18 00:03:00 -
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Kuroi Aurgnet wrote:I KNOW! they should make eve open source and let linux users recode it for linux!
As much as I want to agree with you Kuroi, the reason the don't can be most easily summarised by auto-pilot. If users were allowed to edit the source code then balancing features like the warp in distance on auto-pilot would be gone. I am all for open source and wish there could be a version of EVE that was (I've been dreaming of an open source league of legends for a while!), but that unfortunately breaks the game due to people who would make bots. The bastards!
One simple little change I wish they would make, wouldn't even have to be in the game, simple have a box to state what your primary OS is on your account settings outside of game. This would be relatively simple, just a minor database edit, and would help give them some more appropriate data. |
Erika Bronz
Nidaros Fritidsforening
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Posted - 2012.03.18 00:49:00 -
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I support any and all forms of Linux compability. Install from Synaptic would be perfect, however I doubt it will ever happen.
Edit: I would even agree to pay a higher monthly fee for a native client. |
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:01:00 -
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I hate to **** into everyone's cheerios (including myself, mind you); I'm in TEST, so I guess it's almost a duty for me.
But the devs already check the builds against WINE. They stated, more than once, that in the devs team there are some die-hard linux fans, playing their own game on linux. "Confessions" gathered during fanfests and other equally informal venues. They keep loving us (the very existence of this forum is a testament), but just can't be too loud about it. Remember: development != management!
I remind you all that CCP is born basically as a Microsoft shop. This changed during the years (official linux client - albeit non native, DUST on PS3, winks to the mobile world, not dominated by Redmond, etc.), but they will never recode the engine out of the DX nightmare it is now.
And, as you probably noticed, every major release is a huge pile of problems for EVERY platform. Take a look at the Issues thread in the Information Portal (first forum), and you'll see pages and pages of bugs, workarounds, half-fixes, and announces of further updates. And that's for Windows, their main target platform!
Linux is the future, but the present isn't. Not that I like it - in fact, I don't. If we can keep playing after all these years and builds, we should thank their work, the work of WINE devs, and the self-help of the community.
Still, don't hold your breath for a native client. We got a lot from CCP. We can ask more. We just can't pretend more. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Kuroi Aurgnet
Guilt Brigade Blitzkrieg Federation Of The Dumpster Punchers
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:43:00 -
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I would just like to point out before that the whole "let the linux users do it" was a troll comment because that would SERIOUSLY be a breach of security on CCPs part.
Its basically as katrina says, it aint really going to happen, as much as some of us would love it, because the game was BUILT around microsoft. as is every major game nowadays. And while there are people SMART enough to recode it into linux, right now the audience is STILL too small for the price theyd have to pay to get it done. But hey, i mean, at least they will acknowledge linux now, thats a lot more than one could ask in other games. who knows, maybe in a few years, someone will have a better solution for linux as it grows and evolves
someone should really make a MMO that is based in linux that has decent graphics though, just saying. kick all those microsoft people in the nads
Just that hint of cynicism the world needs now and then. |
Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:55:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:I hate to **** into everyone's cheerios (including myself, mind you); I'm in TEST, so I guess it's almost a duty for me.
But the devs already check the builds against WINE. They stated, more than once, that in the devs team there are some die-hard linux fans, playing their own game on linux. "Confessions" gathered during fanfests and other equally informal venues. They keep loving us (the very existence of this forum is a testament), but just can't be too loud about it. Remember: development != management!
I remind you all that CCP is born basically as a Microsoft shop. This changed during the years (official linux client - albeit non native, DUST on PS3, winks to the mobile world, not dominated by Redmond, etc.), but they will never recode the engine out of the DX nightmare it is now.
And, as you probably noticed, every major release is a huge pile of problems for EVERY platform. Take a look at the Issues thread in the Information Portal (first forum), and you'll see pages and pages of bugs, workarounds, half-fixes, and announces of further updates. And that's for Windows, their main target platform!
Linux is the future, but the present isn't. Not that I like it - in fact, I don't. If we can keep playing after all these years and builds, we should thank their work, the work of WINE devs, and the self-help of the community.
Still, don't hold your breath for a native client. We got a lot from CCP. We can ask more. We just can't pretend more.
sure they do ... windows XP laptop - no issues at all, launcher and patching went great. linux box at home, took me 2 days to get it to run and had to wipe my wineprefix and settings to get it to work ... not tallking about the performance regresion (had sync fps before 1.5 in station, now I am at 30% of previous values).
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:30:00 -
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Bent Barrel wrote:sure they do ... windows XP laptop - no issues at all, launcher and patching went great. linux box at home, took me 2 days to get it to run and had to wipe my wineprefix and settings to get it to work ... not tallking about the performance regresion (had sync fps before 1.5 in station, now I am at 30% of previous values).
So what?
Our platform is unsupported. There's not even a "best effort" commitment. I know it works. I know it took many hoops to jump thru. I know its performance is abysmal (but that's been acknowledged and it's being corrected).
Obligatory car analogy:
Buy a car. Pour some home brewed wine (see what I did here?) in the fuel tank. Go complain at the manufacturer that your car doesn't run anymore. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Inanna Zuni
ZuniCorp
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:59:00 -
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Last week I took the very sad decision that after six years in-game (and also being an elected member of the first CSM) it was time for me to stop even _trying_ to play EVE. Why? Because the recent introduction of a mandatory launcher has meant that individual patches are no longer downloadable, making my linux machines unusable for EVE.
Now when I tweeted about this I had a number of people questioning why I was complaining as "there is no linux support"/"no official linux client"/etc. to which my comment that CCP _used_ to recognise that some of the people paying their dues used linux and were happy to do so, playing the game under Wine even though it required jumping through some hoops, plus there is this _officially supplied_ forum on linux. But those points fell on deaf ears as the "go buy M$ or an Apple" crowd piled in.
I agree that a 'native' client in the way the old linux one was (ie wrapped) isn't really wanted. But the change from the past ability to 'install' EVE under Wine was appreciated by many - though CCP have no idea _how_ many because we linux users appear to be windows muppets - but this launcher change effectively puts an end to that for many (if not all) linux users.
I'd really like to think I'll be back in pod one day (hell, on one character I've got 1.9m spare SP waiting for the coming Station skills!) but as of now that is looking unlikely.
ps. *NO*, you can't have my stuff! |
Hamandreel Endashi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:11:00 -
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The news about the launcher interfering with Wine setups is a bit disappointing for me. I've been going through the process of getting Ubuntu rolling on an HP Touchpad I acquired a little while back (takes a little while since I only get an hour here & there to mess with it). My goal is to get EVE operational on it- which I had been given to understand at least HAS been possible prior to the Launcher introduction.
I'm still fairly new to digging around Linux, so this probably sounds a silly question:
If the problem is the patcher not working under Wine, would it be possible to simply copy the updated EVE client from a Windows-based machine when patches were released?
I'll probably find the answer myself over time as I continue my pet project, but if more experienced users can save me a buttload of time re-inventing a square wheel I certainly won't complain :) |
Raath Nambode
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.21 11:40:00 -
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If part of the issue that CCP doesn't directly support linux as a valid gaming platform is the lack of data available, why don't we knock the windows version in winecfg down to something like win 3.1.
Am sure that if ccp sees a spike in the number of win 3.1 versions and we prove to be in enough numbers then there could be that slimmest micron thick chance ccp could take notice and put a little more effort into our small clique.
Personally I don't really see a complete linux port as valid. From their point of view, the megga bux are always going to be in M$ and mac but perhaps some further testing (I think we all need to step up on that one) before release we could, working together with CCP, ensure that these hickups become less frequent. |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.21 12:38:00 -
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Inanna Zuni wrote:[...a lot of emowhineragequit crap...]
this launcher change effectively puts an end to that for many (if not all) linux users. Inanna, I hoped you knew better.
Even if my own post above is one of doom and despair, you really should take a peek at other threads in this forum. In them, you'll find the best practices and solutions (ok, workarounds, I concede) to operate BOTH the Launcher AND the game client.
It works, it can work, it's not even rocket science to make it work.
It's a kuldge? You bet! It's annoying? Like sitting naked on a cactus! But it CAN work. There are no excuses not to try what made many linux users able to play again besides laziness and contempt.
That's the price we collectively pay for the platform freedom we love and enjoy. If you don't want to pay it anymore, be my guest, but don't sperg nonsense about the "putting an end for many linux users". It's a steaming pile of bovine *****.
Yesterday there was a patch to apply (1.5.3), the Launcher popped up, patched the client (without problems), and launched the game client, again without an hiccup.
And it indeed worked: https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=395601 -- I'm the first Moros pilot: see my pretty face in that list? It means I was flying in space on my linux box firing at a POS with other caps no earlier than yesterday night!
It's quirky to set up, but it CAN be convinced to cooperate.
Raath Nambode wrote:why don't we knock the windows version in winecfg down to something like win 3.1. Because then the client won't start; already tried.
We can push for a way to be counted, that'd be a good effort to pursue. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:43:00 -
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Has anyone tried to use the repairtool instead of the launcher to upgrade the client? If that works we may as well be able to build a native launcher as this uses a zsync source as far as i know. |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2012.03.22 09:53:00 -
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Hello,
firstly, I like the idea of Linux dominating the world and Windows going down. I love such comments, they make me smile. By the time this will happen could we perhaps be flying real spaceships, too. Who knows?!
As some have already mentioned was there once a native client for Linux and it got dropped. We should not force CCP to make another one when they already made the experience.
I like the idea of improving EVE itself to run better with WINE and older hardware best. Not only does Linux win but we gain more players, too. CCP shall avoid features that demand high hardware requirements and have 1-2 people to look after Linux/WINE compatibility. |
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