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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
113
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:59:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:
If true, then the null bots did in fact get hit, without favoritism.
I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope.
What ever helps them sleep at night. |

Rene Winter
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:00:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:
If true, then the null bots did in fact get hit, without favoritism.
I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope.
Seriously. I can't fathom why people would believe that a company who spent a lot of development hours on a bot detection system would subsequently spend more hours making sure it ignored 2/3 of the game it's supposed to work on.
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baltec1
744
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:07:00 -
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Rene Winter wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:
If true, then the null bots did in fact get hit, without favoritism.
I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope. Seriously. I can't fathom why people would believe that a company who spent a lot of development hours on a bot detection system would subsequently spend more hours making sure it ignored 2/3 of the game it's supposed to work on.
Their hatred of goons is such that they simply ignore logic. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:20:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: Oh yes. Sreegs, as you were once part of the goons they obviously thought you would show your loyalty to them. Other players have made similar comments, about how goon bots will get a free ride.
I guess they forgot to notice who signs your check, or consider that you actually take pride in doing a good job.
Yes, I can confirm that goons are really upset about this and not finding it extremely hilarious and entirely deserved. I am crying now as I type this and blasting The Cure cranked up to 11. Why, Sreegs, why?
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
282

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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:23:00 -
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Et tu Sreegs? |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1043

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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:29:00 -
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sakurako wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Xantor Bludberry wrote:Another question: When will the DEV BLOG? Soon!  soon or soontm
Soon as in NOW
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2260
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:31:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Andski wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Weaselior wrote:EVE does fingerprint your computer you idiots non-******** botters use a launcher that spoofs the fingerprint (and monitors the fingerprint code for any changes), hides injected dlls from the client and prevents crashes from getting reported (doing this via the official client setting might be a red flag, who kows?). A lot of people (especially software developers) disable all automatic crash reporting due to NDAs and such. That's not what he's referring to and there's not a single NDA in the world that allows you to violate the EULA. If you can't play by the rules you agreed to then don't. :edit: And unless what he's referring to is within the client (It's not that I'm aware of) then it is a EULA violation and you will be permanently banned for it the first time.
http://i.imgur.com/mi9Gh.png
This is a EULA violation? I'm pretty sure he's referring to "red-flagging" anybody who disables it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
295
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:33:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Et tu Johnny Marzetti? FYP....
Freudian slip?

Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
282

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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Andski wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Weaselior wrote:EVE does fingerprint your computer you idiots non-******** botters use a launcher that spoofs the fingerprint (and monitors the fingerprint code for any changes), hides injected dlls from the client and prevents crashes from getting reported (doing this via the official client setting might be a red flag, who kows?). A lot of people (especially software developers) disable all automatic crash reporting due to NDAs and such. That's not what he's referring to and there's not a single NDA in the world that allows you to violate the EULA. If you can't play by the rules you agreed to then don't. :edit: And unless what he's referring to is within the client (It's not that I'm aware of) then it is a EULA violation and you will be permanently banned for it the first time. http://i.imgur.com/mi9Gh.pngThis is a EULA violation? I'm pretty sure he's referring to "red-flagging" anybody who disables it.
The crash dump disabling is perfectly legal and there's a button for it right in the client so no. :) |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2261
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:36:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:
If true, then the null bots did in fact get hit, without favoritism.
I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope. Oh yes. Sreegs, as you were once part of the goons they obviously thought you would show your loyalty to them. Other players have made similar comments, about how goon bots will get a free ride. I guess they forgot to notice who signs your check, or consider that you actually take pride in doing a good job.
we've been laughing at them for botting instead of making ISK the proper way, scamming "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
461
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:38:00 -
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CCP Sreegs Blog wrote:
Once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity.
This is beautiful.
/and about damn time. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
295
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:42:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Sreegs Blog wrote:
Once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity.
This is beautiful. /and about damn time. +10,000
agreed!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:44:00 -
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Quote:BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things.
THNX A LOT     
and,
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE THAT PERMANENT!!!!!
If you put it on timer botters will make a little more accs and when time pass out sell the old one that was locked and buy new one for reserve. And you will have that bad circle of recycling chars started again, only circles will be a little bigger (more chars in the same circle). You see that we were right last time and you didn't listen, listen us this time and keep locked chars permanently locked to that account. |

Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
372
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:57:00 -
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Read the dev blog. It's good that they get character transfer disabled. However there are people bragging on "a certain website" about how most of their botting accounts are being missed, etc. I would sure like to think that this is not true... |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:00:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:The crash dump disabling is perfectly legal and there's a button for it right in the client so no. :) what I was referring to - and I was just quoting other people's arguments here - is that CCP might think that
P(crash reporting is disabled | Bot) =/= P(crash reporting is disabled | -¼Bot),
if true this obviously wouldn't require P(Bot | crash reporting is disabled) = 1 to be useful in building a Bayes classifier for bot detection.
In other words: I was saying that some botters think this setting might be a "yellow" flag and avoid its use because of that.
Just having crash reporting disabled would never get you red-flagged but but maybe having bot reporting disabled and staring at the in-game map most of your playtime and a whole host of other characteristics that are completely innocent in themselves (but more/less likely for botters than for other people) could build up to a red flag.
Anyways... CCP Sreegs cleared things up now and that's good. I didn't intend to sound alarmist or confuse people (har har CCP is putting a button into your client that gets you banned when you click it!). |

MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
155
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:43:00 -
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From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.
So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters? [url]http://i.imgur.com/uRgrl.jpg[/url] |

Shandir
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:48:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote: From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.
So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters?
As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else. |

Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:51:00 -
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Shandir wrote:MadMuppet wrote: From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.
So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters? As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.
LOL... XD You know... if someone killed person before you cant judge him untill he kills again...  Funny little botters that now have locked toons and cant sell them.  |

Jita Alt666
939
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:56:00 -
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Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:Quote:BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things. THNX A LOT      and, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE THAT PERMANENT!!!!! If you put it on timer botters will make a little more accs and when time pass out sell the old one that was locked and buy new one for reserve. And you will have that bad circle of recycling chars started again, only circles will be a little bigger (more chars in the same circle). You see that we were right last time and you didn't listen, listen us this time and keep locked chars permanently locked to that account.
Your reading comprehension is awful. CCP did listen. CCP then went and got concrete data. CCP then acted. Get off your high horse. |

baltec1
745
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:57:00 -
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Shandir wrote:MadMuppet wrote: From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.
So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters? As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.
I say to hell with them they can suffer too. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
296
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Posted - 2012.03.01 21:22:00 -
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Shandir wrote: As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.
Shandir, dear, you seem to be very sensitive about this issue....
burned have we?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Ai Shun
329
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:00:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Shandir wrote: As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.
Shandir, dear, you seem to be very sensitive about this issue.... burned have we?
And I could respond by saying "Why Asuri, you seem remarkably eager to insinuate people are botters. Are you by any chance trying to redirect so nobody looks at how much you bot?"
But you know, that would be an *******-like thing to do and is not really useful in this discussion so I'll refrain from doing that.
In future though, keep in mind that people can have ideas about retrospective justice and express them without needing these pathetic little comments suggesting they are botters. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
356
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:41:00 -
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The  at F H Challenge is so.....................refreshing 
We only THOUGHT H'geddon brought tears...... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:27:00 -
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Glad to see that CCP is, apparently, being indiscriminate in their banning of bots, regardless of what region, alliance, etc.
I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?
Sounds more like orchestrated theatrics going on.
CCP Sreegs: Maybe I missed it in your dev post, but were the bots hit by this ban inclusive of ratting bots, or just miners? Profit favors the prepared |

baltec1
751
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:51:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:Glad to see that CCP is, apparently, being indiscriminate in their banning of bots, regardless of what region, alliance, etc.
I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?
Sounds more like orchestrated theatrics going on.
CCP Sreegs: Maybe I missed it in your dev post, but were the bots hit by this ban inclusive of ratting bots, or just miners?
Goons are enjoying the tears as much as everyone else |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
749
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Glad to see that CCP is, apparently, being indiscriminate in their banning of bots, regardless of what region, alliance, etc.
I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?
Sounds more like orchestrated theatrics going on.
CCP Sreegs: Maybe I missed it in your dev post, but were the bots hit by this ban inclusive of ratting bots, or just miners? Goons are enjoying the tears as much as everyone else 
Well...
The one's that haven't been banned are.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
372
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:12:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:
I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?
One merely has to look at all those high industry index systems in goon space to see how little they mine. This is the classic case of the guy who was responsible for that smelly fart saying "who farted?" and giving everyone an accusing stare. |

baltec1
751
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:17:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Evei Shard wrote:
I find it curious that the Goons are supposedly upset about all this. How many times have they commented on the forums that they don't mine?
One merely has to look at all those high industry index systems in goon space to see how little they mine. This is the classic case of the guy who was responsible for that smelly fart saying "who farted?" and giving everyone an accusing stare.
Over the past year I have seen one hulk in dek and it died. |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
11
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:32:00 -
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Do you think they can get the market bots too? |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
386
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:35:00 -
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There's a thread about that in MD...answer: yes. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
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