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Halseth	Posted - 2004.04.22 16:42:00 - [1] Greetings to the citizens of eve from the Phoenix Alliance. Since the slow collapse of the FE began, the Phoenix Alliance have noticed an increase in the growing number pirates slipping across our borders through the tribute region. The inability to pursure these raiders back across the Tribute/Venal border has been mildly frustrating, but our honor has kept us from breaking the treaty signed (and mostly upheld) in good faith by the FE. However, times change, and it is now apparent Forsaken Empire will not be recovering. This downturn of events has created a potentialy volital power vacume a mere few jumps from the core systems of the Phoenix alliance. We find this situation unacceptable and have decided that action must be taken. Effective immediately, the Phoenix Alliance reserves the right to patrol the regions of Tribute and Vale of the Silent for unlawfull and piratical activity. We hope to work with our allies and other anti-pirate forces in the region so that we may offer Tribute and Vale of the Silent as open access to 0.0 space for all of EVEs citizens in much the same way Pure Blind is today. Sincerely, The Phoenix Alliance Council.
Bosie	Posted - 2004.04.22 16:49:00 - [2] You are aware that RKK have cleared them systems out and we are currently patroling them. We would welcome PA`s patrols in the region we have liberated from alliance control. Tribute is open to all to mine and trade in. RKK will not tolerate piracy in this region. RKK will not tolerate ANY alliance claiming this FREE region of space. So to all Corps that would like to explore and live in 0.0 space please feel free to visit the free region of Tribute. Unless you are CA or friends of CA, then we will gank you on sight. Bosie. http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
Triniton	Posted - 2004.04.22 16:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Triniton on 22/04/2004 16:58:25 Quote: Tribute is open to all to mine and trade in. RKK will not tolerate piracy in this region. RKK will not tolerate ANY alliance claiming this FREE region of space. No offense but im a litle drunk but imo u need to be shut up See u soon. Edit: I underlined it instead of quote doohhh. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Toulak	Posted - 2004.04.22 16:58:00 - [4] /me slaps Triniton
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:14:00 - [5] Does that mean we can soon see Phonix alliance battlegroups engaging CA in force As i allready asked Some jericho players today, we have noticed an influx of their ships in CA space, are you going for a war Well we will see soon enough So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
ThorTheGreat	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:17:00 - [6] ooh dear, rkk and co. can stand by now.. them zombies will pwn you =p
Racknan	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Halseth Effective immediately, the Phoenix Alliance reserves the right to patrol the regions of Tribute and Vale of the Silent for unlawfull and piratical activity. Please define what the PA believe is 'unlawfull and piratical activity' As according to your statement I can be in the regions, but I'll be willing to bet you'll shoot me - even if I'm not doing anything 'wrong'. From pervious threads about the PA - and experience - I have noticed that your member corperations are rather trigger happy, so a flat out list would be nice. The PA dosn't need anymore negative PR. :P
Kronarty	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:20:00 - [8] Edited by: Kronarty on 22/04/2004 17:32:56 Quote: Does that mean we can soon see Phonix alliance battlegroups engaging CA in force What makes you think that? Keep in mind that JF and RKK are NOT PA members.
Notferr	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:21:00 - [9] Good move PA! - N - Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:30:00 - [10] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 22/04/2004 17:56:22 So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Originally by: Kronarty Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Does that mean we can soon see Phonix alliance battlegroups engaging CA in force What makes you think that? Keep in mind that Jericho Fraction and Reikoku are NOT PA members. No but good friends, so i ask you again are you going to attack CA space You have a very... special view of the universe around you, my friend.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:35:00 - [12] Edited by: DB Preacher on 22/04/2004 17:47:22 cough Bosie doesn't speak for RKK and Trinitron is correct in his response to him. cough RKK/CELEST/FU/C0D/NORAD has been attempting to clear this area out. This was AFTER we liberated FADE from the Foresaken Empire. On both occasions we asked for assistance from the PA. On both occasions we were told no. How convienent it is that you now want to run patrols through a dead sector. It wouldn't surprise me if I heard how the great PA singlehandedly cleared the area out themselves when in fact lineage 2 is the simple reason the area is now clear. I am not arrogant enough to believe anything differently. However, there is no volatile power vaccum at present. There is simply RKK and friends. A further announcement about the opportunities within this area will be forthcoming once they are in place. The PA are welcome to travel through this space. The PA are welcome to come mine/npc in this space. If the PA want to "run patrols in this space" then you should speak to Galavet, Lion or myself as to whether you are needed in this area. Finally, there hasn't been a large influx of pirates through Tribute to Venal because there is currently no-one left in the sector except RKK. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
KIATolon	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:36:00 - [13] Tribute & Vale of the Silent, I did not know they magically renamed themself to curse
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:40:00 - [14] Edited by: SweatySack on 22/04/2004 17:44:54 This is a good move by the PA. A lot of new people in the game complain that they can not travel to 0.0 space without joining an alliance of some sort. We have helped RKK and CELES clear this region. They have been there for a few weeks now. PA helping with this will make it even more secure than it is now. I am speaking on behalf of myself and a few other council members of the Fade Union. If PA needs our assitance while patroling these areas we will help on most occasions as we do with RKK. We currently try to keep Pure Blind region clear of pirates. I will speak to rest of council about this asap to see if we can get daily patrols of these regions.
Halseth	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:43:00 - [15] I will NOT reply to any accusations and/or questions reguarding this press release here in the virtual pi$$ing ground that is the eve forums. The PA does not participate in flame wars. If anyone wants to DISCUSS these issues, contact us in game or even better, schedule a teamspeak meeting.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:45:00 - [16] Bwahahahaha! This should get interesting Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
crice	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:51:00 - [17] Edited by: crice on 22/04/2004 17:55:50 That would be considered CA space, so Halseth you are now breaking the NAP you had with FE. I knew this would happen in time, just didn't think you would jump on the "kick em when there down" bandwagon. To think I went into venal last weekend, minding my own business to get some items and out of respect for the PA didn't fire on a single indy. Disgusting news Halseth.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:54:00 - [18] I did Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.04.22 17:59:00 - [19] Originally by: crice Edited by: crice on 22/04/2004 17:55:50 I knew this would happen in time, just didn't think you would jump on the "kick em when there down" bandwagon. Why not kick them while they are down? Its a smart move. Why would you try to take down a strong corp when you could wait a few weeks then attack them when they have busted up legs?
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:00:00 - [20] Edited by: Artegg on 22/04/2004 18:06:02 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 22/04/2004 17:47:22 cough Bosie doesn't speak for RKK and Trinitron is correct in his response to him. cough RKK/CELEST/FU/C0D/NORAD has been attempting to clear this area out. This was AFTER we liberated FADE from the Foresaken Empire. On both occasions we asked for assistance from the PA. On both occasions we were told no. How convienent it is that you now want to run patrols through a dead sector. It wouldn't surprise me if I heard how the great PA singlehandedly cleared the area out themselves when in fact lineage 2 is the simple reason the area is now clear. I am not arrogant enough to believe anything differently. However, there is no volatile power vaccum at present. There is simply RKK and friends. A further announcement about the opportunities within this area will be forthcoming once they are in place. The PA are welcome to travel through this space. The PA are welcome to come mine/npc in this space. If the PA want to "run patrols in this space" then you should speak to Galavet, Lion or myself as to whether you are needed in this area. Finally, there hasn't been a large influx of pirates through Tribute to Venal because there is currently no-one left in the sector except RKK. dbp So DB in your post you say "RKK/CELEST/FU/C0D/NORAD has been attempting to clear this area out" Then later you say "when in fact lineage 2 is the simple reason the area is now clear" "It wouldn't surprise me if I heard how the great PA singlehandedly cleared the area out themselves" This you will not be hearing as we had a NAP with the FE and it was not Broken at anytime. "On both occasions we asked for assistance from the PA. On both occasions we were told no" The PA did not come and help no but corps that are friendly to you did such as us. But post like this from you make me wish we had not.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:00:00 - [21] Interesting times... darth thinks CA will send forces to retake this land:)... PA v CA war is looming, its always been on the cards. enjoy.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:05:00 - [22] Edited by: DB Preacher on 22/04/2004 18:09:48 Originally by: Artegg So DB in your post you say "RKK/CELEST/FU/C0D/NORAD has been attempting to clear this area out" Then later you say "when in fact lineage 2 is the simple reason the area is now clear" You missed the bit where I mentioned liberating FADE. We fought alongside NORAD and CELEST against the full F-E forces there before their mass exile. We then worked alongside NORAD/CELEST/FADE UNION and C0D by fighting the remenants of F-E in Tribute. Originally by: Artegg "On both occasions we asked for assistance from the PA. On both occasions we were told no" The PA did not come and help no but corps that are friendly to you did such as us. But post like this from you make me wish we had not. You didn't, so no problem there. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Bele gorri	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:15:00 - [23] /me waves this initiative This region is going to be very interesting to visit
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:20:00 - [24] Originally by: darth solo Interesting times... darth thinks CA will send forces to retake this land:)... PA v CA war is looming, its always been on the cards. enjoy. Darth the PA are not claiming this land we are just going to HELP keep it free from pirates.
Mr Nice	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Bosie You are aware that RKK have cleared them systems out and we are currently patroling them. We would welcome PA`s patrols in the region we have liberated from alliance control. Tribute is open to all to mine and trade in. RKK will not tolerate piracy in this region. RKK will not tolerate ANY alliance claiming this FREE region of space. So to all Corps that would like to explore and live in 0.0 space please feel free to visit the free region of Tribute. Unless you are CA or friends of CA, then we will gank you on sight. Bosie. Are you aware of several errors in your post? Its a bit hypocrytical to free a region of space from alliance control, then welcome in another alliance to help patrol it.... You claim to have liberated it for the use of all... except CA cos we're dirty region claiming alliance Ho's. Yet you leave it open to SA and FA, XETIC..... PA..... and other alliances, which also "claim" space? Congratulations on your aquesition, but please, a little clarity on your mission statement would help all us political types, who might even believe what you say
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Nice Originally by: Bosie You are aware that RKK have cleared them systems out and we are currently patroling them. We would welcome PA`s patrols in the region we have liberated from alliance control. Tribute is open to all to mine and trade in. RKK will not tolerate piracy in this region. RKK will not tolerate ANY alliance claiming this FREE region of space. So to all Corps that would like to explore and live in 0.0 space please feel free to visit the free region of Tribute. Unless you are CA or friends of CA, then we will gank you on sight. Bosie. Are you aware of several errors in your post? Its a bit hypocrytical to free a region of space from alliance control, then welcome in another alliance to help patrol it.... You claim to have liberated it for the use of all... except CA cos we're dirty region claiming alliance Ho's. Yet you leave it open to SA and FA, XETIC..... PA..... and other alliances, which also "claim" space? Congratulations on your aquesition, but please, a little clarity on your mission statement would help all us political types, who might even believe what you say Yeah, Like I said... Bosie doesn't speak for RKK. Check the official response from RKK in my initial post. Bosie doesn't like PA much, hence he sometimes gets a bit aggravated when they talk rubbish. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Mr Nice	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:41:00 - [27] Are you claiming the region(s) then? Or are they just being patrolled?
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:45:00 - [28] Well cant say I didnÆt see this coming, wondered how long it would take eve to realise 5-10 F-E members with some curse allies where holding 2.5 regions but I can only speculate the reason why the brave members of the PA took so long to jump onto an already crowded bandwagon. Can only promise one thing I wont be going quietly . Be seeing you all when I get this sh*tty coursework completed. limpy bint
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:45:00 - [29] It would be nice to have a clearer understanding of the entire issue - particularly as to the exact state of FE (and the parts it broke up into). Could be a busy area for a while.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Mr Nice Are you claiming the region(s) then? Or are they just being patrolled? No, we don't claim regions. We were in an alliance twice and ended up getting backstabbed both times. We decided that we would just work with friends who had similar goals to our own. The truth of the matter is that F-E are still in the area up until like a day ago. We were going to hold off until the weekend to see what happened and then decide what to do next. The plan was to open the area to a new GOOD regional alliance who had the capabilities to come in and hold the area. As with FADE, DEKLAIN and PURE BLIND, the area would then remain a RKK protectorate. We would help as much as possible, working alongside the forces in the area, to keep the area problem free. We don't claim to be uber pirate hunters. We don't claim to be uber pvp'ers. We don't claim to be uber mercenaries. We just play a pvp corp because it sure beats mining. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:59:00 - [31] Edited by: DB Preacher on 22/04/2004 19:14:32 Originally by: Morkt Drak It would be nice to have a clearer understanding of the entire issue - particularly as to the exact state of FE (and the parts it broke up into). Could be a busy area for a while. O.K. From the top. F-E were as everyone knows, one of the biggest pvp corps around. They were spent 6 months attacking the NVA in various guises included M3GA, Biomass and then F-E. They then got bored and pulled back to both Vale of Silent and Tribute. They started mining and denounced their pirate past. At the same time they attacked NORAD forces in FADE and claimed the FADE area. They put RSA in place in that area. RKK at that time were stationed in DEKLAIN (next to FADE) and decided we didn't like it. So we began attacking RSA alongside the now deceased DSIN forces and Celestial Apocalypse. As NORAD had been forced out they also joined in the battle. Over the course of the campaign, it became increasingly obvious to the RSA leaders that they would get no support from F-E apart from at the weekend. This led to a series of massive battles at the weekends in FADE. Finally RSA had enough, they denounced the F-E's assistance and then changed their name to the Fade Union. The NORAD, FU, C0D and RKK forces then agreed to hit F-E's own home territory of Vale and Tribute. We spent 2 weeks organising our forces, recouping losses and building ammo. In that time, F-E caught the lineage2 bug. When we finally came into Vale and Tribute, there was very little for us to do. Over a 2 week period, we destroyed 20 + battleships, 20+ cruisers etc, and RKK personally only lost a few frigates, 1 bb and a Tempest when 5 crazy F-E members engaged us at silly odds in our favour, in the middle of Pure Blind. In total, I think our friends lost 5 BS and a some other ships. F-E then finally admitted they are breaking up completely for the time being. The remaining leaders seem to have moved into other corps. There are still members there, including limpy, stardog etc but we have seen less of them recently in the heart of Vale. And this is currently where we are now on this thread. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Sasha Vykos	Posted - 2004.04.22 18:59:00 - [32] ...can i have my stuff back please Don't spank the monkey unless your prepared to clean up the mess
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Sasha Vykos ...can i have my stuff back please Sasha, yes you can. Contact Galavet or myself in-game and we will arrange for safe transport up to get any belongings you have in the stations there. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Xavier Perez	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:02:00 - [34] Edited by: Xavier Perez on 22/04/2004 19:06:13 Yay the ***** wagging begins. Rona-kia was right there in cod and rsa with you guys ;) lol I espcially loved illing Sweatysack, cuz he podded my badger. Good fight though sweaty. :) I had a blast in those wars. Just wish we didnt have that nap in place, but cant go breaking signed naps :/
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Xavier Perez Edited by: Xavier Perez on 22/04/2004 19:06:13 Yay the *** wagging begins. Rona-kia was right there in cod and rsa with you guys ;) lol I espcially loved illing Sweatysack, cuz he podded my badger. Good fight though sweaty. :) I had a blast in those wars. Just wish we didnt have that nap in place, but cant go breaking signed naps :/ Rona-Kia came in ONE WEEK before RSA finally decided to give up. The campaign had been going on for a month and a half before that. I wondered how long it would take a PA member to say something like this. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Sasha Vykos	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:09:00 - [36] I was referring to the crow you guys blew to a million pieces, still trying to find the remanants of my arse after that. You can look after the crap I have in my hanger in D7, i'll stop by later and get it myself. It was only matter of time before the facade fell, props guys. See you real soon. Don't spank the monkey unless your prepared to clean up the mess
TMX	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Sasha Vykos I was referring to the crow you guys blew to a million pieces, still trying to find the remanants of my arse after that. You can look after the crap I have in my hanger in D7, i'll stop by later and get it myself. It was only matter of time before the facade fell, props guys. See you real soon. I missed you! ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Halseth Greetings to the citizens of eve from the Phoenix Alliance. Since the slow collapse of the FE began, the Phoenix Alliance have noticed an increase in the growing number pirates slipping across our borders through the tribute region. The inability to pursure these raiders back across the Tribute/Venal border has been mildly frustrating, but our honor has kept us from breaking the treaty signed (and mostly upheld) in good faith by the FE. However, times change, and it is now apparent Forsaken Empire will not be recovering. This downturn of events has created a potentialy volital power vacume a mere few jumps from the core systems of the Phoenix alliance. We find this situation unacceptable and have decided that action must be taken. Effective immediately, the Phoenix Alliance reserves the right to patrol the regions of Tribute and Vale of the Silent for unlawfull and piratical activity. We hope to work with our allies and other anti-pirate forces in the region so that we may offer Tribute and Vale of the Silent as open access to 0.0 space for all of EVEs citizens in much the same way Pure Blind is today. Sincerely, The Phoenix Alliance Council. OK, I can undertsnad how you feel bad. But the reason for taking this action is unkown. Mostly because we havent seen any pirates in vale its only been fights between us and rkk. (yes i admit the 1 .... (lots of beeps) that left the fleet and went to hpa with his frigate was a stupid mistake and he was SEVERELY shewed out by everyone on ts) Anyway your OPEN SPACE policy is what has me vale of the silent and tribute were ALWAYS OPEN SPACE. On a few simple rules such as using our refining station and not pirating. The only thing one had to do was contact someone in the FE and they would point you to a leader that was online to gibe you and your corp. a pass. Now the reason we had the rule about using our refining station was that was the form of payment they were to use for us protecting them. Halseth, your awy of opening vvale of the silent and tribute is either letting the corps to whatever which includes them capturing the stations and starting their own alliance or you or your buddies controlling the station and doing the same thnig we did BUT with little or no protection. But dont worry the near future will make things very clear to all as the FE's future. --------------------------------------------
crice	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:40:00 - [39] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 22/04/2004 19:14:32 Originally by: Morkt Drak It would be nice to have a clearer understanding of the entire issue - particularly as to the exact state of FE (and the parts it broke up into). Could be a busy area for a while. O.K. From the top. F-E were as everyone knows, one of the biggest pvp corps around. They were spent 6 months attacking the NVA in various guises included M3GA, Biomass and then F-E. They then got bored and pulled back to both Vale of Silent and Tribute. They started mining and denounced their pirate past. At the same time they attacked NORAD forces in FADE and claimed the FADE area. They put RSA in place in that area. RKK at that time were stationed in DEKLAIN (next to FADE) and decided we didn't like it. So we began attacking RSA alongside the now deceased DSIN forces and Celestial Apocalypse. As NORAD had been forced out they also joined in the battle. Over the course of the campaign, it became increasingly obvious to the RSA leaders that they would get no support from F-E apart from at the weekend. This led to a series of massive battles at the weekends in FADE. Finally RSA had enough, they denounced the F-E's assistance and then changed their name to the Fade Union. The NORAD, FU, C0D and RKK forces then agreed to hit F-E's own home territory of Vale and Tribute. We spent 2 weeks organising our forces, recouping losses and building ammo. In that time, F-E caught the lineage2 bug. When we finally came into Vale and Tribute, there was very little for us to do. Over a 2 week period, we destroyed 20 + battleships, 20+ cruisers etc, and RKK personally only lost a few frigates, 1 bb and a Tempest when 5 crazy F-E members engaged us at silly odds in our favour, in the middle of Pure Blind. In total, I think our friends lost 5 BS and a some other ships. F-E then finally admitted they are breaking up completely for the time being. The remaining leaders seem to have moved into other corps. There are still members there, including limpy, stardog etc but we have seen less of them recently in the heart of Vale. And this is currently where we are now on this thread. dbp That is very accurate. I would like to say that the FE went on their own accord to attack FADE, this was never discussed with CA council and was another poor management decision by the FE (Crice opinion). Kind of like come to Fountain and Help or Else(Main Reason Crice left FE) (Besides being a spy for the PA of course) I still have many friends and allies in the FE but the way they were left by the leaders to fend for themselves was disgusting. Not sure which is worse the FE leaders leaving or PA joining the bandwagon. "All *****ing here is expressed from Crice only and is in no relation to views expressed by the CA"
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:42:00 - [40] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Xavier Perez Edited by: Xavier Perez on 22/04/2004 19:06:13 Yay the ***** wagging begins. Rona-kia was right there in cod and rsa with you guys ;) lol I espcially loved illing Sweatysack, cuz he podded my badger. Good fight though sweaty. :) I had a blast in those wars. Just wish we didnt have that nap in place, but cant go breaking signed naps :/ Rona-Kia came in ONE WEEK before RSA finally decided to give up. The campaign had been going on for a month and a half before that. I wondered how long it would take a PA member to say something like this. dbp So we did come and you said earlier that we did not. We came when we were asked by you, you did not ask before, well if you did then it never got passed on.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2004.04.22 19:48:00 - [41] Interesting... If this is the PA, offering to help forces take two FE (CA) regions, then this should indeed be considered an act of war. As such, an act of war against the CA like this, would also be considered an act of war against C4 due to the alliance between the two alliances, hence, indirectly, leading to a war between BSC and Oberon... I too will be watching this, very closely. arms up interceptors -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Halseth	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Halseth on 22/04/2004 20:23:42 To answer a few legitimate questions posed here, I have a few statements: PA is not claiming the Vale of the Silent or Tribute regions. Frigate pirate raiders have indeed been leaking into Venal and Tenal through the Tribute region. 3 incidents this week alone, including 2 kestrels last night that almost destroyed an industrial ship loaded with ore. The PA cannot continue to recognize a NAP with a non-existant power. That NAP was reached at a point when the FE could effectively patrol their regions and control thier borders. Saying the conditions have changed is an understatement. Is PA supposed to respect the NAP until there are 0 people in the FE corporation? Personal note:DB, I am picking up a lot of PA hate here that I didn't know existed. I would much rather work out these issues in a private chat with yourself, Galavet, Artegg and myself present.
Xanz	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:19:00 - [43] Originally by: The Enslaver Interesting... If this is the PA, offering to help forces take two FE (CA) regions, then this should indeed be considered an act of war. As such, an act of war against the CA like this, would also be considered an act of war against C4 due to the alliance between the two alliances, hence, indirectly, leading to a war between BSC and Oberon... I too will be watching this, very closely. arms up interceptors Finally!! Back to Venal! Indy killing is what I love! If this is war... of course...
crice	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:31:00 - [44] To Halseth: I believe the issue is that these regions are CA space, regardless of FE. I don't see this as all bad. I can understand your concerns of pirate activity in Venal region. I know that Double G was there in a crow, but was peaceful and never locked or fired a shot, he was there to remove items from our office in 6NJ. I look forward to hearing the outcome and crosses fingers that the Lineage-Beta-Retail will drive those back to eve. I would suggest a formal meeting, to discuss. The ball is in your court Halseth.
Kronarty	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:32:00 - [45] Originally by: The Enslaver Interesting... If this is the PA, offering to help forces take two FE (CA) regions, then this should indeed be considered an act of war. As such, an act of war against the CA like this, would also be considered an act of war against C4 due to the alliance between the two alliances, hence, indirectly, leading to a war between BSC and Oberon... I too will be watching this, very closely. arms up interceptors You are obviously very misinformed my dear Enslaver. Convo me and we'll fix that ASAP.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:34:00 - [46] On a side note, the CA now lays claim two lower Molden Heath. It for too long has been a staging ground for pirates to launch attackes at us. Thus, from the system Atlar on south, non-ca members will be sumbject to KOS! Just following the direction layed out before us.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:34:00 - [47] On a side note, the CA now lays claim two lower Molden Heath. It for too long has been a staging ground for pirates to launch attackes at us. Thus, from the system Atlar on south, non-ca members will be sumbject to KOS! Just following the direction layed out before us.
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:51:00 - [48] Ok here is what I am getting. This is just my view of things from the RKK/COD/FU/CELES/PA (NORAD also helps out when needed) point of views. We wish to open up vale, tribute, and Pure Blind regions to the open public. I am guessing the refine rate will be around 5-10%(this is a guess). I beleive FE has a 15-20% rate currently. No one will need a pass. People can come and go as they please. Pirates will be KOS...and from the looks of things CA will be also. God knows CA has enough regions. RKK/FU/COD/PA/CELES will patrol these regions and help the miners their with NPC and pirate problems. I am also sure some of us will start building ships and equipment for these miners as well. The 5 corps/alliances seem to have the same idea and goals for these regions. Since we have the same goals we wish to work together to accomplish this task. None of us will claim these regions. We will not let anyone claim these regions. There are a ton of players looking for 0.0 space to expand their corps to. This is the perfect opertunity to do that. What we will gain from this is possible allies with the corps that make their riches from these open regions. We also will gain minerals from the refine as well as profit from ship and equipment sales. As of now Fade Union has no intention of controling any of the stations. We are offering political and military support to our allies whenever they need it. For the Fade Union this is a great oppertunity for us to secure relationships with our allies that most of which were our enemies a few weeks ago. For anyone who has further questions you can contact these people RKK: DB Preacher FU: SweatySack/Phonix/Taz911/Nephster to name a few COD: Buddrow/Notfer/Sandcrawler PA: Robeyone/Halseth Celes: Darth Solo/Shawdowthrone NORAD: Blacklight
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Halseth Edited by: Halseth on 22/04/2004 20:23:42 To answer a few legitimate questions posed here, I have a few statements: PA is not claiming the Vale of the Silent or Tribute regions. Frigate pirate raiders have indeed been leaking into Venal and Tenal through the Tribute region. 3 incidents this week alone, including 2 kestrels last night that almost destroyed an industrial ship loaded with ore. The PA cannot continue to recognize a NAP with a non-existant power. That NAP was reached at a point when the FE could effectively patrol their regions and control thier borders. Saying the conditions have changed is an understatement. Is PA supposed to respect the NAP until there are 0 people in the FE corporation? Personal note:DB, I am picking up a lot of PA hate here that I didn't know existed. I would much rather work out these issues in a private chat with yourself, Galavet, Artegg and myself present. We have had the same problem in fade...as well as Deklein. Most seem to come from pureblind and tribute regions.
Halseth	Posted - 2004.04.22 20:58:00 - [50] I was unaware that the CA had publicly laid claim to FEs holdings in the north. If I have missed that statement, please direct me to it and accept my sincere appology. However, our desire to protect our southern border still stands. And before any bridges are burned to the ground, I urge all here to show restraint. There will be discussions taking place this weekend that may make some statements posted here irrelevant.
crice	Posted - 2004.04.22 21:19:00 - [51] EVE Alliance Map The map doesn't lie. Hail to the map.
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.04.22 21:20:00 - [52] Too little Too late
Fedaykin Naib	Posted - 2004.04.22 21:22:00 - [53] Seems that map needs to be updated "Long Live the Fighters!" "The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.22 21:24:00 - [54] I will say from personal eye witness experience that Forsaken Empire doesn't really exist any more as a regional power. Tribute, Vale of the Silent, and Geminate are all entirely empty and up for grabs. Curse Alliance has no significant fleet assets there either. It is pretty much as DB Preacher and RKK have declared "free space". I have flown warships back and forth through the regions for the past few days and beside a few misguided FE "passholder" contract miners (that we engaged) there is no enemy in theater. I personally don't see a problem with the Pheonix Alliance press release since they publicly acknowledge the free space principle and clearly just want the ability to engage pirate and enemy alliance commerce raiders early in the territories around Venal. That said I think that the PA leadership would be well advised to put a muzzle on some of their commentators here who appear over-eager to pick fights that don't need picking. RKK and Celest and their allies in theatre have worked wonders to bring stability and open governance to the northern territories of Eve. And the Phoenix Alliance has benefited indirectly from this. Some respect paid to the fighters who achieved this would not go amiss. As for the Curse Alliance claim on Tribute and Vale, well, its pretty laughable given that the regions are almost entirely empty. But since the FE was a CA satrapy and their dominions are likely claimed by the Dark Lord even so, its a viable casus beli if Curse want an excuse to attack the Phoenix Alliance and bring blood and death and carnage to the north once more. Of course, I do think that if Curse take this step they will not have a easy fight. Once upon a time we had a saying "venal is cursed" ... would be most entertaining if a flawed ambition to crush the PA in the north became a fresh victim to this tradition and the Curse alliance bled its last in a campaign of distant imperialism. Poetry almost. JF Public Forum
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.04.22 21:44:00 - [55] Wow, now that's some arrogance. Claiming a region, (but not really) so that noone else can. You state this is due to pirate incursions into PA space from these regions, which is a rather weak argument. If you can't effectively control your current borders in PA space, increasing those borders, or adding a buffer, will not help in that regard. Classic case of treating the symptom, as opposed to the ailment. Course, that would only matter if their were any truth to your stated intentions and reasons, however, it's quite obviously a political statement intended to cover what is a blatant land grab, and expansion of an alliance, that would rather not have to nap with a returning f-e anyway...... Not that I blame you, it's a logical move. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:10:00 - [56] Bwahahah! Ahhhh. Jade. Really now, of all the things i Did take you for, I hadn't taken you for a hypocrit.. Until now. See, because you don't like CA, you get on your high horse about "free space" where everyone can "mine together in peace". yet you state, "I personally don't see a problem with the Pheonix Alliance press release since they publicly acknowledge the free space principle and clearly just want the ability to engage pirate and enemy alliance commerce raiders early in the territories around Venal." When they are a Regional alliance as well. I think it's just that you have friends and allies there, so can't be botherd to support your ideilogical principles, because that would "upset the peace" that's formed from old adversaries. ProphetGuru explained this situation perfectley IMO, well done. So i'm not going to repeat what he's said so perfectley, and eliquentley. Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:10:00 - [57] This may be a bit off topic. F-E are gone off to Lineage2? I bet they are camping a bridge using archers and fighters killing off all the n00bs... Posting for Numbnutz
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:12:00 - [58] I beleive the leadership and some of the higher up fellows have gone to L2 for awhile, alot of the grunts and main forces are still active though. (or so i'm told) Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Artegg Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Xavier Perez Edited by: Xavier Perez on 22/04/2004 19:06:13 Yay the *** wagging begins. Rona-kia was right there in cod and rsa with you guys ;) lol I espcially loved illing Sweatysack, cuz he podded my badger. Good fight though sweaty. :) I had a blast in those wars. Just wish we didnt have that nap in place, but cant go breaking signed naps :/ Rona-Kia came in ONE WEEK before RSA finally decided to give up. The campaign had been going on for a month and a half before that. I wondered how long it would take a PA member to say something like this. dbp So we did come and you said earlier that we did not. We came when we were asked by you, you did not ask before, well if you did then it never got passed on. Codswallop. You came when you felt the RSA was weak and you could get some easy kills. You came AFTER an agreement was already in place between NORAD, DSIN, FU, COD and RKK. You came weeks AFTER I asked for assistance. You came to "reclaim" your lvl 2 BS. I said you did NOT come when I asked. You didn't. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Halseth Personal note:DB, I am picking up a lot of PA hate here that I didn't know existed. I would much rather work out these issues in a private chat with yourself, Galavet, Artegg and myself present. There is no hate. There is simply the truth. I refuse to allow the truth to be tarnished by the PA as has been done many times before. RKK and PA will continue as before, we will patrol your surrounding areas for you in an attempt to keep it pirate free. We will not allow you to take all the credit yet again however. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:32:00 - [61] lol, this thread is too funny. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:38:00 - [62] You shouldn't **** off DBP, or else your face will be on one of the hoe's in a very popular console game!
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:40:00 - [63] Originally by: Walking Contradiction You shouldn't ** off DBP, or else your face will be on one of the hoe's in a very popular console game! hehe, shhhhhh dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier** Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
crice	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Miso lol, this thread is too funny. Halseth where is Robeyone?
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:45:00 - [65] Originally by: Miso lol, this thread is too funny. you should see them when theyre in the bath togeth....
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:46:00 - [66] Originally by: crice Halseth where is Robeyone? At work
Masor	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:56:00 - [67] Edited by: Masor on 22/04/2004 23:00:56 dbp If you had an agreement when we according to you we joined, why were you still shooting RSA and cod. I remember twice when we went to help you in c4c because you where getting outnumbered. Don't give me this **** that we joined after you stopped the war. As for your comment about the PA claiming the credit, when did the PA claim the credit?. I think you should stop making these things up. PA wasnt even involved... War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can. The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:57:00 - [68] Originally by: DB Preacher Codswallop. You came when you felt the RSA was weak and you could get some easy kills. You came AFTER an agreement was already in place between NORAD, DSIN, FU, COD and RKK. You came weeks AFTER I asked for assistance. You came to "reclaim" your lvl 2 BS. I said you did NOT come when I asked. You didn't. dbp Ummmmmmm We came before the RSA and you guys agreed to peace. That would be why your guys could not understand why we were still fighting them. Also if we came after you guys made an agreement then how come we spent a evening camping with RKK, CELES and co in c4c. As it happens we were up in c4c but then had to pull back to empire to fight a war for RONA then we went back. We have never looked for easy kills you ask any r-k pilot who was fighting them pretty much everyday (if you don't belive me we have some good fraps footage we can show you) And our terms of surrender was the Tier 2 battleship (which we had previously lost to RSA forces) Maybe we did not come when you first asked but we still came in the end as it happens. On a final note Please Please point out were the PA have claimed credit for any of this.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:57:00 - [69] Artegg what did we take credit for?? dam thread has been hijacked... yet again Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.04.22 22:58:00 - [70] Ahh yes the cries of innocence. Where did we see this before.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Artegg Ummmmmmm We came before the RSA and you guys agreed to peace. That would be why your guys could not understand why we were still fighting them. Also if we came after you guys made an agreement then how come we spent a evening camping with RKK, CELES and co in c4c. As it happens we were up in c4c but then had to pull back to empire to fight a war for RONA then we went back. We have never looked for easy kills you ask any r-k pilot who was fighting them pretty much everyday (if you don't belive me we have some good fraps footage we can show you) And our terms of surrender was the Tier 2 battleship (which we had previously lost to RSA forces) Maybe we did not come when you first asked but we still came in the end as it happens. On a final note Please Please point out were the PA have claimed credit for any of this. If you came BEFORE we had an agreement with RSA, then surely you would have fought with F-E? But since you had a NAP and have never fought with F-E, how is this possible? If there were simply no F-E forces there, then surely an attack on F-E held space would still be a break of the NAP? Or am I wrong. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
myggan	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:03:00 - [72] leave it open and we all know who liberated the area sorry to say so but it wasnt pa (nap) rona kia was in our battle against RSA and its true as db preacher is saying that this happend in the late scenarios. no one woundering either why there is appearing a green line from norad into tribute well cheers
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:04:00 - [73] Edited by: KIAHicks on 22/04/2004 23:09:32 Edited by: KIAHicks on 22/04/2004 23:07:49 To be honest I couldn't give a rats arse about mostof the stuff posted here about rkk and rona-kia. The facts are during rkk and their allies war with RSA they made an offer for RONA-KIA to go fight alongside them. We accepted for two reasons 1) it would be fun 2) it would give us an oppertunity to seek reprisals for the battleship we had lost in pb. So we accepted, we joined the joint ops channel and headed down the day after accepting. We had no idea whether the war was going well or not. We have never ever claimed that our been there changed the outcome of the war in anyway. Our been there was purley because we were invited. The PA has not and will not claim credit for what happened in Fade space as the PA had nothing to do with it. Rona kia were acting on their own and the PA was more than aware of our position on the matter. I honestly cannot see why people are trying to make an issue out of this. Also why does making an annoucement about the PAs future intentions towards Vale/Tribute turn into a "PA claiming they have cleared those areas"? Again we (been the PA) has not tried to claim any responsbility for vale been clear of pirates. PA members have not been into vale for a long time due to the NAP we had with its previous owners. Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:05:00 - [74] Yes we had a NAP with the F-E, or fight was with RSA not F-E on a few occasions we found ourselves sitting next to F-E ships and both parties held true to the agreement. Oh and Please Please Please point out where the PA claimed credit.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Artegg Oh and Please Please Please point out where the PA claimed credit. Artegg, they may dodge the question they don't have an answer too. It all goes back to the little boy who feels insecure Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Masor	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:07:00 - [76] You where fighting F-E and RSA, we came to help you fight RSA, we couldn't fight F-E because the PA had a NAP. But we could help you fight the RSA. Personally i didnt like the situation i would of prefered to help you kill whoever, but PA has a nap so i cant personaly break it. Admitingly it was an odd situation and i hope not to have to go through again. Sorry if you feel betrayed because we couldn't help you kill F-E then, but we couldn't break the NAP. War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can. The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Artegg Oh and Please Please Please point out where the PA claimed credit. You're posting on it.
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:10:00 - [78] I'll let Jade do it.
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:10:00 - [79] Originally by: KamiCrazy Originally by: Artegg Oh and Please Please Please point out where the PA claimed credit. You're posting on it. Care to elaborate? Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:11:00 - [80] why can't you find an example yourself? Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:12:00 - [81] Originally by: LLeBRing It all goes back to the little boy who feels insecure
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:13:00 - [82] Well Propehcy ... Quote: Originally by: Propehcy Bwahahah! Ahhhh. Jade. Really now, of all the things i Did take you for, I hadn't taken you for a hypocrit.. Until now. See, because you don't like CA, you get on your high horse about "free space" where everyone can "mine together in peace". yet you state, Actually the only reason I dislike the CA is because you allied with Forsaken Empire. It has to do with your choice of allies ... not with your own selves in the main. And freepace is not really a love-in option. It causes more violence that it solves ... remember, every man and his dog wants to claim a peace of the pie. We want to stop that happening and generally that involves fighting tyrants. Quote: When they [PA] are a Regional alliance as well. I think it's just that you have friends and allies there, so can't be botherd to support your ideilogical principles, because that would "upset the peace" that's formed from old adversaries. Remember Propehcy that we aren't anti regional alliance .. we are anti restrictive territorial regional alliance. And sometimes it is possible to get what you want with diplomacy and persuasion. If PA is embracing a freespace agenda in certain border zones then who is to say they will not one day redeem themselves at home and open borders universally. Should that happen then the legacy of the NVA would be secure and there truly would be no issue between PA and neighbouring corps and old allies. Quote: ProphetGuru explained this situation perfectley IMO, well done. So i'm not going to repeat what he's said so perfectley, and eliquentley. Well all I would add to ProphetGuru's words is that we have two Regional alliances doing the contention. PA say they won't allow another to restrict space there. Curse say they claim and own Tribute and Vale. Its funny you have to admit, since the space is pretty much empty except for the heroic freedom fighters of RKK/Celest/FU/Cod/Norad and various supporters of the anti FE agenda. JF Public Forum
Masor	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:15:00 - [83] I think you's are completely miss reading the topic, Halseth isn't saying anywhere that WE (THE PA) are taking credit and saying WE ALONE are going to keep tribute/vale open access. He even states we will "work with our allies and other anti-pirate forces" he has not stated that the PA is claiming anything. In simple terms he is just meaning PA reserves the right to patrol around there and try to do its part in helping the region clear out the pirates. Sorry if this is causing confusion.. War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can. The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:25:00 - [84] Quote: In simple terms he is just meaning PA reserves the right to patrol around there and try to do its part in helping the region clear out the pirates. Maybe PA should ask if they are wanted and not just "reserve the right". -------------------------
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:27:00 - [85] Originally by: Judicator Quote: In simple terms he is just meaning PA reserves the right to patrol around there and try to do its part in helping the region clear out the pirates. Maybe PA should ask if they are wanted and not just "reserve the right". You are implying we should ask you?? Thats a joke right? Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:28:00 - [86] Edited by: KIAHicks on 22/04/2004 23:30:28 Originally by: Judicator Quote: In simple terms he is just meaning PA reserves the right to patrol around there and try to do its part in helping the region clear out the pirates. Maybe PA should ask if they are wanted and not just "reserve the right". But arn't you declaring the space open? If so isn't it our right to patrol open space? Anyhow, you can all argue over a none issue for as long as you want. Myself I'm going to bed, so don't expect any replys after this.... that is after I post a nice reply to viceroys bounty post which is actually a nice worthwhile thread. Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:30:00 - [87] Actually I do see the point the PA is making here. Fundimentally they are doing what they should have done a long time ago and ditching a dishonourable NAP with the Forsaken Empire remnants. Forsaken Empire is gone. The Curse Satrapy in Vale of the Silent and Tribute is gone. I do understand why DB Preacher and RKK are upset at the tone though. Because fundimentally the FE NAP was dishonourable and base. This is a return to honest dealing on the part of the PA and a gesture that deserves some recognition. But there should be no triumphalism since these are mistakes being corrected, not a flawless victory celebrated. But I would say to people on both sides of the debate: The true fight here is not PA vs RKK and allies. Its Curse vs whoever opposes the Tribute and Vale claim. Only stupid men fight in a burning house. The wise find common cause as and when it exists. JF Public Forum
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:31:00 - [88] OK, Enough flames. This has began to go well off topic. Mods, if you could be so kind as to clear it up RKK posts (including any flaming off-topic posts of mine) then please do so. This is being sorted out with PA in-game. My apologies for bringing this to the board. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:32:00 - [89] Guys Guys Guys.... Who cares? Always fun to see JF butt in where they don't belong :¦ ________________________________________
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:34:00 - [90] artegg pours a bucket of water on the flames and they die. All sorted in game
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:34:00 - [91] Yes, this 'disagreement' is being sorted now. Please clean this thread up. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:37:00 - [92] Quote: You are implying we should ask you?? Thats a joke right? Why do you think it is a joke? That is what I think. I also think that if you fail to ask and just "reserve the right" we should blow you up. Blowing you up is however not something I decide. So there you have it. I don't like you. Never have, never will. As long as I am RKK I will adhere to RKK's NAP's and such, but it does not change my dislike for you. -------------------------
Halseth	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:39:00 - [93]
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:40:00 - [94] Cough Judicator never got the corp memo there... dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:43:00 - [95] Originally by: Judicator Quote: You are implying we should ask you?? Thats a joke right? Why do you think it is a joke? That is what I think. I also think that if you fail to ask and just "reserve the right" we should blow you up. Blowing you up is however not something I decide. So there you have it. I don't like you. Never have, never will. As long as I am RKK I will adhere to RKK's NAP's and such, but it does not change my dislike for you. but.. but.. I wub you!! Can't we go back to the days when we used to play naughty ballerina?! Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:44:00 - [96] Glad to see LLebring got his to
Judicator	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:44:00 - [97] You promised not to tell about the ballerina thing -------------------------
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:44:00 - [98] I'm head of public relatinos Artegg, bow down and kiss the ring!! Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:45:00 - [99] Originally by: LLeBRing I'm head of public relatinos Artegg, bow down and kiss the ring!! Shut up or i will set Garpy on you
LLeBRing	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Artegg Originally by: LLeBRing I'm head of public relatinos Artegg, bow down and kiss the ring!! Shut up or i will set Garpy on you Can't we discuss this peacefully over some corn bread? Nuttin but corn bread en chicken for this fella
Artegg	Posted - 2004.04.22 23:47:00 - [101] Originally by: LLeBRing Originally by: Artegg Originally by: LLeBRing I'm head of public relatinos Artegg, bow down and kiss the ring!! Shut up or i will set Garpy on you Can't we discuss this peacefully over some corn bread? nope to late Garpy is inbound
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.23 00:00:00 - [102] Quote: the space is pretty much empty except for the heroic freedom fighters of RKK/Celest/FU/Cod/Norad Uhmm.. No? RKK and CELEST, are nothing but PvP'ers or pirates, or w/e. Hardly freedom fighters. Esspecially loctar. Bloody fool. Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.23 00:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Propehcy Quote: the space is pretty much empty except for the heroic freedom fighters of RKK/Celest/FU/Cod/Norad Uhmm.. No? RKK and CELEST, are nothing but PvP'ers or pirates, or w/e. Hardly freedom fighters. Esspecially loctar. Bloody fool. Ummm Propehcy ... is "w/e" code for Well Endowed ? And if so, what are you trying to tell us? JF Public Forum
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2004.04.23 00:14:00 - [104] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Propehcy Quote: the space is pretty much empty except for the heroic freedom fighters of RKK/Celest/FU/Cod/Norad Uhmm.. No? RKK and CELEST, are nothing but PvP'ers or pirates, or w/e. Hardly freedom fighters. Esspecially loctar. Bloody fool. Ummm Propehcy ... is "w/e" code for Well Endowed ? And if so, what are you trying to tell us? Um hes saying i guess that they came to fight us and won so now they are going to do exactly what fe did with the stations but have pa help so they arent freedom fighters because they arent liberating anything... ggrr i want to flame so bad when ppl with no sense butt into others business you arent even involved jade so go away. **** i wish i went and podded u when i was in the nva... --------------------------------------------
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.04.23 00:21:00 - [105] Quote: Um hes saying i guess that they came to fight us and won so now they are going to do exactly what fe did with the stations but have pa help so they arent freedom fighters because they arent liberating anything... ggrr i want to flame so bad when ppl with no sense butt into others business you arent even involved jade so go away. **** i wish i went and podded u when i was in the nva... You aren't still sore from me blowing you up are you? Sheesh man, get over it ;) JF Public Forum
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.04.23 00:33:00 - [106] I dont want to say this but I guess I will. JF does have reason to partake in this post. They are always in the area and make the northern regions home. Also I am sure they will help us with patrols from time to time. I actually have seen them setting up blockades near tribute and vale to snag FE and friends.
Xavier Perez	Posted - 2004.04.23 01:35:00 - [107] I got no problem with JF since they arent in venal anymore ;p Well till they shoot at me then I'll go bonkers ;p
Robeyone	Posted - 2004.04.23 01:54:00 - [108] Becasue People Missed Me... Hello.. http://www.ronacorp.com
Algazara	Posted - 2004.04.23 02:37:00 - [109] Bahahahahahahahahaha. when we have podded your asses you still think it will be a open region? haha. Do not start what u cant stick with ! Cause ull be loosing alot of ships soon.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.04.23 02:51:00 - [110] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 23/04/2004 02:54:28 Originally by: Jade Constantine I will say from personal eye witness experience that Forsaken Empire doesn't really exist any more as a regional power. Tribute, Vale of the Silent, and Geminate are all entirely empty and up for grabs. Curse Alliance has no significant fleet assets there either. It is pretty much as DB Preacher and RKK have declared "free space". I have flown warships back and forth through the regions for the past few days and beside a few misguided FE "passholder" contract miners (that we engaged) there is no enemy in theater. I personally don't see a problem with the Pheonix Alliance press release since they publicly acknowledge the free space principle and clearly just want the ability to engage pirate and enemy alliance commerce raiders early in the territories around Venal. That said I think that the PA leadership would be well advised to put a muzzle on some of their commentators here who appear over-eager to pick fights that don't need picking. RKK and Celest and their allies in theatre have worked wonders to bring stability and open governance to the northern territories of Eve. And the Phoenix Alliance has benefited indirectly from this. Some respect paid to the fighters who achieved this would not go amiss. As for the Curse Alliance claim on Tribute and Vale, well, its pretty laughable given that the regions are almost entirely empty. But since the FE was a CA satrapy and their dominions are likely claimed by the Dark Lord even so, its a viable casus beli if Curse want an excuse to attack the Phoenix Alliance and bring blood and death and carnage to the north once more. Of course, I do think that if Curse take this step they will not have a easy fight. Once upon a time we had a saying "venal is cursed" ... would be most entertaining if a flawed ambition to crush the PA in the north became a fresh victim to this tradition and the Curse alliance bled its last in a campaign of distant imperialism. Poetry almost. First forgive for quting such a long speach from Ms Jade. I dont think CA wants war with PA, in fact im 100% certain that we dont want war with PA. Why Ms Jade wants to instigate that, is her own bussiness, and what dark schemes she has brewing in her pretty little head, well let it come forth here. I have asked you twice today on these boards, do Jericho Fraction want war with the CA. 1: we have sigthed your ships in CA space. 2: You keep pressing these issues here on these boards. So come clean, do you in fact want a war with us. Im im certain that several(read the majority of CA) wants to put an end to your being i this universe, alas good cloning technology can also be a Curse. So Jade come clean, you have more than once, percieved the notion that CA are evil, and our claims not valid for the rest of the EVE population. Is it war or not Hope to be hearing from you. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Havocide	Posted - 2004.04.23 03:10:00 - [111] lol the same old nubtards saying the same tarded things... To the PA: I reserve the right to patrol venal tenal and branch the 1 time i log in every 2 weeks To celest etc: You know as well as we do if 95% of our guys wernt playing a different game you would be sitting at a safe spot now. To jade: I can honestly say i dont miss you, read one post and remembered what a pile of sh1te u talk =) Well to be honest you wont see any sign of the F-E till after shivra, and if shivra sucks and promises are not fulfilled you may see a bunch of high sp accs on a certain auction site Until shivra have fun without us oh yeah near forgot check this out you know you want to... (bartz server moving to seighert after live)
Trooble	Posted - 2004.04.23 03:35:00 - [112] Yup havocide, your still a 'tard, fck off back to L2.
Toulak	Posted - 2004.04.23 03:41:00 - [113] Quote: To celest etc: You know as well as we do if 95% of our guys wernt playing a different game you would be sitting at a safe spot now. Yes you were able to form larger blobs. Well done.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.04.23 04:18:00 - [114] Originally by: Havocide Well to be honest you wont see any sign of the F-E till after shivra, and if shivra sucks and promises are not fulfilled you may see a bunch of high sp accs on a certain auction site Until shivra have fun without us hmm... I thought it was namedShiva - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
fluffle	Posted - 2004.04.23 04:33:00 - [115] ... it's ours now, nyer nyer :P etc. -- Go Here if my sig looks grey, and next time use a good browser. This is the way things have to be, the wise men wisely said. So we believed... but some did not, and though we never knew, the wise men wisely had them shot.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.04.23 06:27:00 - [116] A long time ago, in a long and entertaining thread much like this one, Halseth's comment was something like: "wow, this thread is as entertaining as a barrel full of monkeys on acid." Being how he's busy being a diplomat, and being how I'm spared the same, I suppose I'll say it this time. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
TMX	Posted - 2004.04.23 07:15:00 - [117] Garpy is mine! ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge!
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.23 07:41:00 - [118] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Propehcy Quote: the space is pretty much empty except for the heroic freedom fighters of RKK/Celest/FU/Cod/Norad Uhmm.. No? RKK and CELEST, are nothing but PvP'ers or pirates, or w/e. Hardly freedom fighters. Esspecially loctar. Bloody fool. Ummm Propehcy ... is "w/e" code for Well Endowed ? And if so, what are you trying to tell us? No, beleive it or not Constantine, it doesn't mean that. Well imagine that, you're wrong! "w/e" happens to be "Short Hand" for "What Ever. I woult think someone like you that thought so highly of yourself would know this sort of small details.. But alas, it's ok to not be perfect Constantine. Now stop thinking otherwise. You'll also be sore from waking up from the cloning vat repeatedly... And your pitiful alliance of cannon fodder won't save you. Nor 22 frigates, nor my cap running out, and anything else that has stoped me in the past. So make sure your clone is up to date, or you'll only be able to fly cruisers soon enough. Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.04.23 08:39:00 - [119] Originally by: Propehcy Uhmm.. No? RKK and CELEST, are nothing but PvP'ers or pirates, or w/e. Hardly freedom fighters. Esspecially loctar. Bloody fool. Who they hell is this numpty?????? I think you should lay off the veldspar mining its making you ill.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.04.23 09:13:00 - [120] guys guys guys.. things are hotting up, old allies should be united. I think the PA press release was a mistake though, not a good time. RKK are well able to defend this area by themselves and should be left to do so. As for CELES, we have no real interest in areas like this, and only wish to help our friends. Havocide, what you said is correct, if F-E werent at another game, we wouldnt have came, we only ever brought a a few ships. It was never an invasion as the amazing maricheck quoted. Prop guy from Sim, u are a fool, if sim have a spare war slot, we would love to fill it. d solo.
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.04.23 09:37:00 - [121] Originally by: Havocide lol the same old nubtards saying the same tarded things... To the PA: I reserve the right to patrol venal tenal and branch the 1 time i log in every 2 weeks To celest etc: You know as well as we do if 95% of our guys wernt playing a different game you would be sitting at a safe spot now. To jade: I can honestly say i dont miss you, read one post and remembered what a pile of sh1te u talk =) Well to be honest you wont see any sign of the F-E till after shivra, and if shivra sucks and promises are not fulfilled you may see a bunch of high sp accs on a certain auction site Until shivra have fun without us oh yeah near forgot check this out you know you want to... (bartz server moving to seighert after live) who the fu*k are you?
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.04.23 10:47:00 - [122] EVE has it's flaws.... but Lineage 2? heh To quote a wise man when it comes to game commenting: Quote: Lineage 2, the best looking game i would never play Pain is meant to be felt
qwerts	Posted - 2004.04.23 11:52:00 - [123] so a 50 ship ca/fe battle fleet rolled through you neighbor's systems and attacked your neighbor's and you didn't see a threat worth responding too but less then 6 frigs a week and now you want to patrol tribute. seriously your threat assessment protocol needs an overhaul
Jacob Molari	Posted - 2004.04.23 12:08:00 - [124] Originally by: darth solo Interesting times... darth thinks CA will send forces to retake this land:)... PA v CA war is looming, its always been on the cards. enjoy. Tribute is no big loss, however, vale of the silent is of strategic importance, not only to what remains of the F-E, but to Curse too. Personally, I think in the absence of a controlling force, The Vale should just be made into a DMZ, but that's my opinion. Personally, I have no stake in the Vale anymore, other than as a transit route. Like most of the rest of the F-E, I'm still weighing offers on which corporation to join. However, nature abhors a vacuum, and I think pirate activity will once again be heavy in this region. Just a guess.
Wishdokkta	Posted - 2004.04.23 12:21:00 - [125] Edited by: Wishdokkta on 23/04/2004 12:23:24 Good on ya PA for your refreshing outlook on these regions. I only hope that certain alliances can see the advantages in opening up space to all-comers in both the development of current players and the long term attraction of players to this game. Let us hope that this provides a catalyst for a shift in attitude of the bigger, more resourcful corps and the alliances they represent. We offer our support to this brave new dawn. Wishdokkta Director - FREEKS Corp www.freeks-corp.co.uk
EvilWezal	Posted - 2004.04.23 12:48:00 - [126] Tribute-Check Vale-Check GWP-To do.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.04.23 12:51:00 - [127] LinageAge 2 is a fun game untill u feel u want to kill some1!!!111 but the Sieghardt server is the r0x0r b0x0r server i play on, come PK me! "We brake for nobody"
Toulak	Posted - 2004.04.23 13:08:00 - [128] Quote: who the fu*k are you? Couldnt have said it better myself Limpy.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.04.24 02:43:00 - [129] Originally by: EvilWezal Tribute-Check Vale-Check GWP-To do. You just sealed your fate.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.24 03:01:00 - [130] Originally by: Toulak Yes you were able to form larger blobs. Well done. Hahahahahahaha OMFG Toulak u are so retarded. In exactly 100% of our fleet battles we were outnumbered, often heavily. I think that NORAD won't soon forget our 9 ships obliterating a force of 15 battleships and 23 frigates. Man ur really a moron if u think we ever had "bigger blobs" than whoever we happened to be fighting. Cao
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.04.24 09:07:00 - [131] Solo, I don't care what you think of me, SIM will declare war on you later if it is needed, we can fight you in 0.0 for the time being, and besides, you'd have to come out of a safespot to have PvP wouldn't you? Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2004.04.24 11:01:00 - [132] Ok this thread has run its course and unfortunately has gone way way off topic, locking. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)

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