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Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:41:00 -
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As one who has fought against ECM ships many times, I can say the ECM's are fine the way they currently are.
ECM ships are very fragile and if the jamming cycle fails they are good as dead.
ECM ships are not solo pwn mobiles as they have very little offensive capability, not to mention most of the mids would be used for ECM's, so they must either sacrifice point, prop, or other utilities to maintain their capabilities.
ECCM's easily reduces your chances of being jammed by half. You counter ECM by sending drones on them, using FoF missiles, smartbombs, disengaging and reengage, etc.
If you don't have the capabilities to kill the ECM ship you don't really have what it takes or planned poorly.
You proposal will make ECM ships rather weak to have. ECM is their tank, without it they are dead. |
Gen Fesslenski
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:04:00 -
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NVM |
2ofSpades
Exploration and Intelligence Agency
3
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:38:00 -
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ECCM needs
A.)Buff (Maybe new complex ECCM mods for 1-2-3/10's?)
B.)ECCM rigs ~50% boost per t1 rig |
Aldap
Club Bear
40
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Posted - 2012.04.12 07:48:00 -
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Agree with 2ofSpades
My first PvP video: The Hunt |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
319
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Posted - 2012.04.12 08:08:00 -
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ecm is fine as it is now.... missed a ctcle = bye 200mil falcon
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Aldap
Club Bear
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:43:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:ecm is fine as it is now.... missed a ctcle = bye 200mil falcon
Your comments reeks of fear, so I just had to check.
And indeed, you are a perfect example of ECM not being fine. All you know how to fly is Sabres and Falcons, and you have basically 0 losses exactly due to Falcons. So of course you'd say they're fine, coz you're scared s**tless of an ECM nerf :-)
My first PvP video: The Hunt |
Chicken Pizza
Penumbra Institute
49
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Posted - 2012.04.12 17:34:00 -
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Sofia Wolf wrote:In RL ECM is usual is done by blinding sensors by large amount of noise. While this prevents locking of normal targets it actually makes it easier to track jammer that is source of noise, so a typical modern anti air and anti ship active guided missiles are programmed to switch to passive mode if jammed and guide to source of jamming noise.
If these guidelines are followed, you still shouldn't be able to lock the ship that put ECM drones on you, because the source of the jamming is not the ship. It's the drones. Therefore:
Sofia Wolf wrote:This would make ECM useless in solo ships...
This will not be true. ECM drones would be as effective in solo PvP as they have been.
Bubanni wrote:No thanks, ecm drones are already more powerful than they should be regardless of it being chance based... 5 light ecm drones have a 27.6% chance to jam a hurricane, while 1 multispectral ecm has 15% chance, and a ladar specific has 23% chance... ecm drones should not have a higher chance than a module (since the other ew drones don't either)
You need to learn how probability is calculated. Each Hornet EC-300 has 1 point of jamming strength. A Hurricane has 16 points of sensor strength. The formula for the chance to successfully jam something is the following:
Jamming strength / Sensor Strength
So, 1/16 = ~6%
Each EC-300 has a 6% chance to successfully jam a Hurricane. The probabilities don't stack together because each individual drone/jammer is counted separately. You don't get a 30% chance to jam a Hurricane with 5 EC-300s on it because they don't combine their superpowers and jam as one. |
Chicken Pizza
Penumbra Institute
49
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Posted - 2012.04.12 18:04:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Here, I'll give you a free lesson on how to fit and use an ECM boat. Seems you need it:
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Bad fitting.
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*snip*
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Another bad fitting.
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You both have horrible fits. I've flown both Blackbirds and Scorpions(dual boxing ECM and DPS ships, mind you) for quite some time now, and in small gang PvP, the only tank you need is the warp button. If you're getting insta-popped because you don't have any tank, you need to re-evaluate your roles and how you play them.
[Blackbird, The only way.]
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
ECM - Ion Field Projector II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
[empty high slot]
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Signal Disruption Amplifier I
Smartbombs for drones, no need to be beyond 70km from the fight. You have to STAY ALIGNED when you fly an ECM boat. It doesn't matter what your tank is. If you see a ship with sniper capabilities land on grid, you warp out, OR, if you were planning this incredibly well, you warp to another tactical safe on the other side. Simple as that. To hell with everybody else, you're more useful alive than dead.
Now you know how to fly a blackbird like a pro.
With that said, I don't care one way or the other if this gets implemented. I'll still be a kickass ECM pilot who knows his ships and limitations, and I'll still jam your fleet, regardless of whether or not you can shoot me back, and I'll ALWAYS have my very first Scorpion. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.12 18:13:00 -
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I like it. Possibly coupled with an EHP buff to pacify whiners, I could get behind it. Have a +1.
I'd back up Duchess and her arguments, as her arguments on how ECM is actually used are pretty cool, but the unverifiable claim of "I am an ECM pilot" on a character without combat history gets on my nerves.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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