Massive +1 to the OP.

Truely massive.



I agree with this all the way.

Yet I think that ECCM suffers from 2 major disavantages. First, it's really uneffective. Second, the module itself is ONLY, USEFULL, WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER JAMMING SHIPS.

Think about it. You counter Neuts with capboosters, which are still useful in pretty much all situations, right ?

You counter sensor dampeners with sensor boosters, right ?

You counter tracking disruptors with tracking enhancers/computers, right ?

The thing is, all those modules have an utility. I mean, having tracking enhancers is great even if you don't encounter Curses/Pilgrims/Sentinels, right ? Sensor boosters are still useful even if you don't encounter sensor dampening ships, right ?

ECCM is simply worthless if you don't encounter a jamming ship and if he isn't jamming you.

It needs a boost in terms of efficiency, and it needs to affect more than one of the ship's electronic parameters. It could provide a (smaller than a sensor booster's) boost to scan res and targetting range, it could provide an additionnal +5 lockable targets ? It could provide a reduction of the total jamming time or something like that.

ECM like every other module in the game has a cycle time. This cycle time remains even if you stop the module. CCP would have to make it so ECM could switch on and off instantaneously, to counter this missile which would mean that is would be the only module in the game that did this and render the new missile basically useless before it was introduced. Therefore making the whole idea a non-starter

Mind you on the other hand being able to turn ECM on and off instantly would mean a major buff to the power of ECM so it might not be a bad idea afterall

I like the idea, but also agree that unless ecm boats get something in return (either hp or resist buff or something) to compensate, you will simply turn ecm boats into merely sacraficial bullseyes.

I love how people keep saying ECM ships are fine because they have low tanks, apparently not realising that they're jamming at anything from 70-150+km. You'd be surprised how small an issue lack of tank is when you're that far out.

Also most proper ECM ships will still carry some buffer, my Falcon has something like 20k EHP which, while not award winning, is a long way from the "look at them funny and they explode" description people keep giving them.

f you're getting jammed at over 100 km etc.

use drones or FOF missiles.

ECM is balanced

I like this idea, and agree that it would need to be balanced with a significant boost to tank-ability for ECM ships.
I think the other racial EW modules are all hideously underpowered, though, and need to be heavily boosted.

Damps need a boost, TPs and TDs work just fine.

In larger fights yes. In smaller gangs, completely impractical.


See my previous posts on how drones and FoFs are an utter ******* joke vs ECM ships.


At larger gang sizes, yes. At small gang size, it's stupidly OP.


Blackbirds can jam further out than a Falcon, they don't need a 20k buffer.

All ideas are based "In RL". The more plausible something is, the more immersive it is.

Anyone who believes that RL has no bearing on fiction is an idiot not worth listening to.

Good god get out. Game balance comes first. Fitting in with RL or lore is secondary. You know why? ITS A MAKE BELIEVE GAME. The devs can reconstruct "reality" and "lore" to fit the game balance. Simple as that.



I see what you did there. It wasn't clever.

All other ewar has a counter skill to buffer. Targeting for damps, cap recharge for vamp, weapons upgrade skills for tracking etc. None of those work well when you are stacking that ewar but those skills work for standard fit ewar. There is no skill buffer for ECM.

As someone who's flown every ECM boat including the infamous pre-nerf Falcon, I like to think I know what I'm talking about here.

1. Worthless. Takes up a slot while having no secondary benefits, and does very little. The chance-based mechanic of ECM contributes to this.
2. Also worthless - FOFs do hilariously low DPS and will only even target the ECM ship if you're lucky. They're also pretty much only applicable to the Drake, as that's pretty much the only missile boat larger than a frigate worth using.
3. Only any good if said ECM boat is even in range - not exactly likely if fitted and flown well.

In smaller engagements, ECM is overpowered. Simple as.
The reason it's so difficult to nerf is that it'd hard to nerf the EWAR without breaking half a dozen ships, but this idea makes it less viable for locking down an entire gang with 2 ships while still keeping it useful in an anti-support role. Best solution I've seen so far, frankly.

Hilariously awful Blackbird fit

overdrive injector instead of Armor plates

But no matter how you mod it, it's slow as hell, has no tank, no tackle and no damage.

What is moronic abut basic curtsey? Sure by the tone of your GÇ£messageGÇ¥ you are unfamiliar with the concept but if one wants for people to do something, like debate an issue, it is only right to thank them if they do. Ad least learn some manners if you are unable to prove constructive comment.

1. ECCM is very Viable as it pretty much doubles your chance to resist ECM.

3. Drones WORK! If you see an ECM boat, swap targets immediately. This is where ppl fail... you want to talk range, close the gap or GTFO since you seem to refer this on a 1v1 scale.

Also ECM drones are easily taken down by combat drones. I was just in a fight where the guy had a swarm of ECM, they got me on their first cycle, but I popped my drones out and when they failed a cycle, I locked (With a BS mind you) and my drones did the rest and I came out the victor.

Edit: 5. If you were to implement your idea, CCP would have to make ECM ships Tank better, cause atm, they're pretty much a paper bag... gee I wonder why?

4. Projected ECCM... why ppl forget this mod is beyond me. If you're running in small gangs and you don't want to sacrafice your precious mid-slot, get a dedicated Anti-ECM boat loaded with ECCM (2) and Projected ECCM (2), I can think of a few Armor ships that could fill this roll pretty well.

I have no idea why you have such an aversion to real life. News flash for you: space shuttles exist in real life, you'd better quit eve. And while the devs can make the fluff whatever they want, it's always better if the stuff they're making up makes sense.)

What is moronic abut basic curtsey? Sure by the tone of your GÇ£messageGÇ¥ you are unfamiliar with the concept but if one wants for people to do something, like debate an issue, it is only right to thank them if they do. Ad least learn some manners if you are unable to prove constructive comment.

Stop minimizing and ignoring counters within the game because you do not wish to include them in your fit

ECM ships countering ecm ships is perfectly fine as well

Equip ECCM and understand 1 eccm isn't a 100% effective counter, hire or become a ewar specialist to provide counter ecm or projected ECCM, equip backup sensors or die in a fireball.

I haven't minimized anything. ECCM is semi-useless, FoFs are completely useless, and drones only work if the ECM ship pilot is as stupid as you. I've listed off realistic counters to ECM ships, and all of them are impractical on some level.


Yes. Yes it is.
ECM ships being the main, and arguably only, consistently viable counter is not.


ECCM is ******* trash for anything but making T3s hard to probe. I've seen it used, and I've laughed at the ones who equipped it as I jammed them regardless. On the small gang scale, it's a complete waste of a slot.

In larger fleets, like ECM itself, it's pretty much fine. In small gangs, it's more useful reprocessed.

I really do have to congratulate you on maintaining your longstanding tradition of brainless narrowmindedness and utter lack of reading comprehension or ability to make an argument.