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Uncle Mo
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:07:00 -
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I've been tracking the prices for Navy Megas for several months now. I've heard of sales for less than 350mil. My question is, what purpose does this ship serve other than 'bragging' rights? You can't do missions in it because the Domi is soooo much better suited for them. You can't PVP in it because you'll be insta primary. I'm guessing the price is going to continue to go down because of the ships low utility.
These are just opinions of course and I'd like to hear from pilots who fly one on a regular basis and what they do with them. My only guesses are that they could be used by pirates with deep wallets, or by pilots in huge battleship POS take-down squads.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:24:00 -
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Don't like it - don't use it.
I don't fly it myself but I know few pilots who are very happy about their current price and seem to think that it's quite worth to use them for pvp so it must have some advantage over regular version if they are willing to shell out that extra 250 mil for it. |
Sobach
Gallente
Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Uncle Mo
You can't do missions in it because the Domi is soooo much better suited for them.
- Bzzzt! There's nothing wrong with mission running in mega/navy mega. Domi is only better IF you're spec'd in drones, and prefer/need the dedicated tank that can be fitted on a Domi. While gunboats like the megas and hyperion require more skills to fully utilize, and can't be used as a afk-mission runner, their much higher DPS means you'll blaze through mission just that much quicker.
Originally by: Uncle Mo
You can't PVP in it because you'll be insta primary. I'm guessing the price is going to continue to go down because of the ships low utility.
PVP wise the vindicator is the better mega to use, but that all depends on what kind of pvp op you're going on. There's little point bringing faction BS to large sized fights for the reason you stated, but there's nothing wrong with using them on small scale roaming squads, if you can afford to lose it :)
oh, and the price going down is mainly due to the LP store and all the macro mission runners, the price on all faction navy BS didn't all drop together for no reason ;) |
Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.04.24 10:55:00 -
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A little something that is easily overlooked about all Navy Battleships : they have a +50% to shield, armor and hull hitpoints ... that can make a HUGE difference in PvE ... on my CNR I have about 14K of shields, for example, without Extenders.
In fact, for someone with good gunnery skills, the Navy Mega would be a really good mission ship, having enough HPs to mount a good buffer tank AND pretty good damage.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:05:00 -
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navy mega is great for pvp in empire and lowsec, can work in 0.0 too with some care... being always primary is not necessarily a bad thing, knowing who your enemy is gonna call allows you to manipulate the results
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Ritzenhoff
Gallente
Fabian Strategy
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:26:00 -
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I have both a Domi and a Navy Issue Mega, with good skill points in both gunnery and drones (5m or so in each category).
What I fly depends on the mission. The Domi can do any mission, the Mega has problems on some missions, particularly those with damp/disrupting rats (such as Gone Berserk), but is faster on the other missions. That said, I now fit my domi with salvagers so perhaps overall the Domi is faster if you include the time taken to salvage.
I have to keep my concentration a lot more on the Mega, so I only fly the Domi when drunk  The Mega does have a considerably worse tank, but the damage is outrageous, with wrecking hits of over 1000 points of damage (425mm guns, antimatter ammo). It's really fun to fly when doing missions in a gang.
Really it wasn't something I needed but it is the best looking ship in the game imho.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.24 11:42:00 -
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People are also quite happy with billion ISK vindicator and bhaalgorn. Navy mega now the most cost effective of all faction BS (fully fitted) and more practical in pvp than a CNR.
There are quite a lot of machariel pilots who fit billions worth of mods on their ship and don't mind the risk.
In the end , it's no more a pimp ship than assault frigates or some HACs (deimos especially) and it can pay for itself with the proper care.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.04.24 12:21:00 -
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I fail to see how a Megathron, one of the finest battleships in the game, with 150% of the HP and an extra low slot is worthless. |
Lux Exterior
Gallente
Critical Analysis
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Posted - 2008.04.24 12:48:00 -
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There is another factor at work here as well. Unlike the CNR vs Golem argument, which is a close call, the Kronos IS a clearly superior mission boat to the Navythron in every way. Which leaves PvP, and the Vindi is better at that.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo
You can't PVP in it because you'll be insta primary.
Just because you are primary doesn't mean you have to die. In fact, knowing who will be primary is a HUGE advantage.
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Killurdog Jones
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:07:00 -
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If the FC you are fighting against has half a brain you wont be primary in a Navy Mega.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:17:00 -
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I went from domi to megathron for missions, and will go to navymega when i got the isk (but i also spend isk on pvp, so that will take a while). I really prefer megathron above domi. I got compared to others quite much gank, and yes compared to domi my tank is far worse. But with higher damage that isnt a problem, and i can do missions faster than in my domi. (till npcs start jamming me and my tank cant hold).
So next stap is navy mega. Sure i want kronos. But not everyone got the skills requires for a marauder, and those skills arent high on my todo list.
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Forty Three
being always primary is not necessarily a bad thing, knowing who your enemy is gonna call allows you to manipulate the results
Qft. A quarter of a Billion effective HPs can't be a bad thing.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.24 14:36:00 -
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Use a plategank faction setup with a low grade slave set (minus omega).
It's like being pimp but on a budget, and awesome in small gangs
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Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
Reavers.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lux Exterior
Which leaves PvP, and the Vindi is better at that.
Says who?
Its cap bonus is not that great anymore now that there's Hyperion. And navy mega is much better for a plated gank setup, esp with the prevalence of circletanks.
+50% hp and +1 lowslot for ~250m over a regular Mega is a bargain no faction gear will offer. Throw in lg slaves and you've got 200k EHP and 1300 DPS with a T2 gear, and replacements will only cost another 250m and change.
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2008.04.24 15:36:00 -
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lol bloody hope not i am just about to buy one! :)
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Neotheo
Dark Materials
Linkage
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.04.24 16:09:00 -
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With proper tactics, and decent skills, the Navy Megathron is an excellent mission running ship. It does excellent DPS and can fit an adequate tank. It is certainly faster solo than my Dominix (with my current skills), but I have to pay more attention.
I use mine only for missions right now, but I know pilots who fly them in fleets. They usually buffer it to hell so that when they are called primary they have time to take some damage, get repped or warp out. It makes an excellent bait ship in a small-medium gang situation.
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:27:00 -
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No, it's not. Megathrons are good, Navy Megas are better.
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Corwain
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sobach
Domi is only better IF you're spec'd in drones, and prefer/need the dedicated tank that can be fitted on a Domi. While gunboats like the megas and hyperion require more skills to fully utilize, and can't be used as a afk-mission runner, their much higher DPS means you'll blaze through mission just that much quicker.
Bzzt. If your domi missions slower than your mega you're fitting it wrong. Shieldtank, max damage mods and 350mms.
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Patso Tappaja
Paisti
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo
I've been tracking the prices for Navy Megas for several months now. I've heard of sales for less than 350mil. My question is, what purpose does this ship serve other than 'bragging' rights? You can't do missions in it because the Domi is soooo much better suited for them. You can't PVP in it because you'll be insta primary. I'm guessing the price is going to continue to go down because of the ships low utility.
These are just opinions of course and I'd like to hear from pilots who fly one on a regular basis and what they do with them. My only guesses are that they could be used by pirates with deep wallets, or by pilots in huge battleship POS take-down squads.
Navy Mega just sucks. Vindi is so much better in PvP. Dont buy Navy megas. Go and buy my cheap priced vindis,bhaalgorns or machariels in Jita. You can all your navy megas to me 200mil a piece.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Bzzt. If your domi missions slower than your mega you're fitting it wrong. Shieldtank, max damage mods and 350mms.
Wonder how your passive shield tank will hold on those missions where you get webbed, scrammed and lighted up like a xmas tree right after the gate.
Unless ccp remove all of these because the carebears whined enough to have the only challenging missions removed.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo
You can't PVP in it because you'll be insta primary. I'm guessing the price is going to continue to go down because of the ships low utility.
If you always die when you are primaried you should get new corpmates tbh. And navy mega prices are (sadly for me) up pretty disproving your argument.
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Loki Farseer
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:22:00 -
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Navy Megas Suck.. Worst Ship in the Game.  I never fly Megas or Navy Megas (since they suck so badly)and being the Philanthropic person I am will be happy to take a hit for everyone and buy all your Navy Megas from you for 350 mil. 
Also please keep telling everyone else how bad they are so they keep going down ... instead of back up like they seem to be doing 
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Chuck Skull
BBK Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.25 02:57:00 -
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Navy mega gets a base armour boost and an extra low, with some slaves and plates you can have a huge buffer tank. It's also cheap for that extra armour, some people will pay over 2 billion for HG slaves. So a 250mil premium over the stock version isn't much. You don't really lose much compared to a vindicator(only the cap bonus), which is double the price and has no extra low iirc. People see that 25% damage bonus and get all excited, but you get the same bonus on the mega with BS5.
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Arazel Chainfire
KDM Corp
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.04.25 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Corwain
Bzzt. If your domi missions slower than your mega you're fitting it wrong. Shieldtank, max damage mods and 350mms.
Wonder how your passive shield tank will hold on those missions where you get webbed, scrammed and lighted up like a xmas tree right after the gate.
Unless ccp remove all of these because the carebears whined enough to have the only challenging missions removed.
He didn't say passive shield tank - he said shield tank.
Personally, I'd be using 425's... but thats just me. I don't have t2 drones though, so atm I just use the domi for afkiness. As for the ones with webbers/scrammers etc. - in case you didn't notice, the domi has a veeery large drone bay, which can carry heavy drones, medium drones, light drones, and sentries.
Shield tank domi
highs - guns (425's or 350's - 425's will need more RCU's or energy grid rigs)
mids - 4 slot shield tank (hey, it works for a raven), with 5th slot being either a cap booster or a omnidirectional tracking unit
Lows - magstabs, RCU's, and cap power relay (or pdu's)
rigs - either cap or energy
With enough gank, you really don't need a tank at all. If I remember correctly, there was someone with a 7bil isk shield tank domi fit that put out better mission times than Carniflex's times (not sure if it was better than his duel CNR times or not though). The issue is people's insistence that the domi HAS to be armor tanked.
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Corwain
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire
The issue is people's insistence that the domi HAS to be armor tanked.
Yup, my fit was:
6x 350s w/ antimatter or Plutonium (slightly less range and dps than 425s, much much better tracking)
XL Shield booster (I used a deadspace one at the time), Shield boost amp, 3x hardeners
3x Magstab II, 4x Cap Flux II
3x CCC I
Bouncer IIs or Guarde IIs
I think nowadays though the torp golem gets more DPS.
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LordInvisible
Gallente
The CULT OF DAMNED
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:26:00 -
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back to the navy mega topic..
Yeah, navy mega is awesome!! extra low slot and already built in 1600mm plate is a good start for plated gank setup.
Just be carefull of getting ganked! Its nice solo ship in 2:1, but anything else is just too messy..
http://warriornation.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1190 is a expamle what can happen:) That ECM was problematic. With 2x ECCM II fitted and overloaded i got jammed 80% of the gankage, and that player is just a noobie:( lucky one though:D
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire
Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Corwain
Bzzt. If your domi missions slower than your mega you're fitting it wrong. Shieldtank, max damage mods and 350mms.
Wonder how your passive shield tank will hold on those missions where you get webbed, scrammed and lighted up like a xmas tree right after the gate.
Unless ccp remove all of these because the carebears whined enough to have the only challenging missions removed.
He didn't say passive shield tank - he said shield tank.
Even if he had said passive the whole "webbed, scrammed and lighted" argument falls flat.
A properly equipped and rigged naval megathron can, in at least one instance, out-tank my drake and do more DPS. The biggest problem you'd have is cap for guns. If you reduced your tank expectations and used Shield Flux Coils instead of Shield Power Relays you'd have the cap. For that matter if you still needed maximum tank you could fit a cap injector and hope.
Either way though the ship'll passive tank quite well as long as you're prepared to accept various tradeoffs.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:56:00 -
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Worthless? I think the other posters in this thread don't agree on it. And I know a few guys in Syndicate who uses theirs in gangs sometime.
As for the price drop, I have 2 theory's about it:
1) A lot if iskfarmers who run low-sec hauling missions tried to cash out their LP by accepting and then selling Navy Megas.
My proof for that one is one interesting killmail I saw when a freighter got pwned in lowsec and had 16 of them in cargo.
2) Genuine mission-runners switching to Kronos for its superiority.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2008.04.25 10:58:00 -
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Drones are pathetic compared to a rack of 425's and some good gunnery skills
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