You could try not being a ***** and switch to targets that can fight back. Bring a real combat ship and you will get fights.

You could try not being a ***** and switch to targets that can fight back. Bring a real combat ship and you will get fights.

because eve is all about consensual pvp :D

why would i wana do that?

Also, so you can have FUN, its a game after all.

If they remove local from nullsec I'm out of here, people want to greif thats fine but at the point where it becomes "Constantly hit the D-Scan button while trying to kill the rats, pulse a shield booster and cap booster, align every time some ship that you don't know shows up on your d-scan, just so you can get some isk to go PVP'ing"
It doesn't need to be that hard.

0.0 is far betterer that highsec, no way in hell I'm running 4's again.


And my opinion on no local in 0.0:

It isn't wormholes space, there is imediate local. You dont like showing up in local every time you enter a system, start griefing in wormholes.

Personally, even though I'm a giant care bear, I want null sec to become more dangerous. For one thing, if life is more difficult all the faction/deadspace items I get are going to shoot up in price since bots can't get the faction stuff anymore and only skilled players would be able to collect dead space.

Bots D-scan far better than you or I could ever do.

While I do agree that delaying local for a few secs will definitely shake things up in null and EvE as a whole. I still don't believe it's needed. Take a look at threads with similar discussions and you can see that most of the peeps asking for this stuff DON'T LIVE IN NULL. They are either lowsec peeps, highsec bears or random peeps that think it's their duty to take care of bots.
If this change is even implemented, it should be present in all of EvE from lowsec to highsec and also including wh space. If you can't catch your targets within the 30sec delay, you've failed... go back home.

Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

Read through thread, then post.

Thank you.

Did and reiteration is still a good reason to post, but go back to your happy place were everyone agrees with your bad theories...

I propose we allow black ops drops, titan bridging and super capitals into wormholes.

Did and reiteration is still a good reason to post, but go back to your happy place were everyone agrees with your bad theories...

I propose we allow black ops drops, titan bridging and super capitals into wormholes.

When you have nothing tangible to add or criticize, baseless attacks are your friend.

When you fail to realize a remark is sarcastic, because you haven't read the thread, you should probably stop posting.

When i have realized i am talking to a 12 year old that likes bashing his head against a brick wall i stop posting, that time has come.

Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

You'll be shocked when what you've wanted so much gets implemented and then backfires when you least expect it. No local will require fleets to have more scouts constantly watching gates or to always be prepared for the worst case possible. Unlike whs were you have mass restrictions impeding mobility, k-space will be gank galore and moving in blobs will be the safest way to carry out effective pvp ops.

An AFK cloaking ship is no threat to you. Man up and go do your things. Better yet don't do them alone. Eve Online isn't a single player game.

Bots D-scan far better than you or I could ever do.

Problem is that local is designed as local chat not as immediate perfect intel tool. We need new (auto)intel tool (ccp is working on them). When this new tool is finished, then is room to make local only for chat.

edit: wh system without local is very funny, one of best things in eve :)

Point of this thread?

Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

What is the deciding factor as to when this delay takes effect?

Ive been here all day. You jus showed up 5 minutes ago. Does it immediatly show me in local even though to your client i just arrived?

What happens if you dont spend a whole 5 minutes in system giving the delay a chance to see you?

If local was to be delayed would you be against a way to scan out cloaky ships?

What happens when your traveling a pipe and we know your comming because our scouts are 5 jumps out and have already detected you due to you showing in local 5 minutes after you have left?

If i have cloaky eyes on the gate you come in does it not make a gate activation animation?

And how about when you decloak to cloak and warp off. Do i not see you?

The 5 minute delay idea is nice. As long as you cant aggress for the five minutes that your invisible to me and the rest of my mates in system.


Does this delay have any true way of actually working for you or me? The same can be said for a wh as well. Just because we dont see anyone in local does not mean no on eis there.Do you think you are the only one being sneaky? We had cloaky eyes on the WH and seen you come in. The people not implementing scouts should be scrammed jammed and podded. Delay local 5 minutes and people will jus have alts 5 jumps out. No matter what we know that you know that your comming in and we knew it before you got to the second gate after the initial 5 minutes...

Leave local alone. Stop being a cloaky gaf.

Stop being a terrible alliance and defend your ratters/renters.

Well, no, you're the care bears benefitting from instant local Intel. That's kind of my point.

And your the gankbear that wants the game to be changed to suit your sneaky ways of forcing pvp onto hapless carebears. Kinda my point as well.

F5 F5 F5 he may reply.

And your the gankbear that wants the game to be changed to suit your sneaky ways of forcing pvp onto hapless carebears. Kinda my point as well.

F5 F5 F5 he may reply.

I love cloaking, and I still think having trouble finding fights is a decent trade-off for, you know, being

completely effing invisible

The issue I have isn't with finding fights, if you can't find a fight in null you're an idiot, my issue is with risk.

Namely the fact that a lot of null sec isn't really very dangerous, it requires a bit more logistics to live there but that is it. And JFs and carriers make that logistics issue vanish instantly anyway.

Simply, I waslnt null sec to eventually be buffed for PvE. In order for that the happen, it needs to return to being a pain to run null logistics and free Intel needs to go.

Its come to a point where you have to afk cloky *** systems for a very long time and basicly lock up alot of ratting systems just to even get a chance for a tackle. Atm i have more than one char doing this the downside is that you lock up your characers for playing eve in this manner or playstyle. and im pretty sure its not the way it should be.

The Hole idea of picking a ship with exremly poor tank is to catch players by supprice, so howabout some "new thinking". maby even rework it. ++ou got it right in wh-¦s. why not in normal 0.0 space, Make it worth the risk Of ratting in 0.0

There would be more fights, it would make it alot harder for bots. im pretty sure you would remove them.
2 weeks after i enter a system. aslong as they see my name in local. i have to become the stealth Ninja, the AFK dude thats become part of local as the person noone fears, then i have 1 chance.

Or is it ment that you have to lock up 11 systems to basicly force them to pick one of these.

I agree though, null is much less scary than people think it is.

My thoughts are neither for nor against the whole delayed local issue. They are based off of how it can work for both parties. I care not of how the Devs decide how we play. Defence fleets and intel channels we do have. And we protect who we can. But that isnt the topic and sidetracking me with your comments worked out great.

Enough trolling.

Answer some of my questions. Lets have a legit discussion. Carebears and gankbears aside. They are valid questions. Intel channels and scouts do know when you are comming anyway so why delay local?

What is the deciding factor as to when this delay takes effect?

Ive been here all day. You jus showed up 5 minutes ago. Does it immediatly show me in local even though to your client i just arrived?

What happens if you dont spend a whole 5 minutes in system giving the delay a chance to see you?

If local was to be delayed would you be against a way to scan out cloaky ships?

What happens when your traveling a pipe and we know your comming because our scouts are 5 jumps out and have already detected you due to you showing in local 5 minutes after you have left?

If i have cloaky eyes on the gate you come in does it not make a gate activation animation?

And how about when you decloak to cloak and warp off. Do i not see you?

The 5 minute delay idea is nice. As long as you cant aggress for the five minutes that your invisible to me and the rest of my mates in system.

Does this delay have any true way of actually working for you or me? The same can be said for a wh as well. Just because we dont see anyone in local does not mean no on eis there.Do you think you are the only one being sneaky? We had cloaky eyes on the WH and seen you come in. The people not implementing scouts should be scrammed jammed and podded. Delay local 5 minutes and people will jus have alts 5 jumps out. No matter what we know that you know that your comming in and we knew it before you got to the second gate after the initial 5 minutes...

You could try not being a ***** and switch to targets that can fight back. Bring a real combat ship and you will get fights.

Some completely valid and totally reasonable stuffz

Yes, and if you have a scout on the gate you'd presumably get everyone to dock up. Only the idiots not on teamspeak or watching intel would die. As opposed to currently, when all you need to do is watch local.


That does somewhat defeat the point to be honest.


The idea isn't to be able to kill people who are paying attention with scouts out for 5 jumps in every direction, those people deserve to be safe. The idea is to kill people who don't have scouts out, and rely purely on local intel to dock up and hide.

Anyway, I hope that explains the changes most people want a little better. Obviously I can speak only for myself, but most of us don't want to make null sec a complete death trap. Just a little bit of a death trap.

No it doesnt... in five minutes I can be cloaked 2.99 kms from them watching local and the moment my face appears in local I hit approach and mwd and bump them... there purpose entirely undefeated, though some spaceships might be

The most common suggestion is that local is delayed both for the new member to the system and for the occupants. Also worth noting most people don't want a 5 minute delay, personally I believe if delayed local were to be used it should be closer to a 30 second delay.

30 seconds is enough time to jump in, analyse and warp an AF/ceptor to a sanctum, but it is short enough that fleets cannot hope to pass through multiple systems without appearing on intel channels.

IMO Nullsec should not have any local channel by default. It should be an upgradable option by the sov owner.

The Hole idea

Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.