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Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:46:00 - [61] And of course 0.0 is filled with tradehubs where at least 40 persons are. Welcome to the real world, 0.0 is mostly empty. Right now local helps pvp'ers as much as it makes it harder for them. Of course gatecampers who are afraid for a fair fight are basicly the only group who want to keep local. Oh noez, they come with as much ships as we have, lets run. For pirate gangs in low sec it is much better without local (yeah they are too pvp'ers, not all camp gates to gank noob ships, like you probably do). Sure you dont know immediatly if there are ratters in belts, but that is like making 3 warps and you got entire system covered with directional scanner (and then you got more info than you had from local). And unless the ratting carebear is seriously bored, he wont be pressing directional scanner every second, and he wont run because he doesnt know the pirates are there. Which makes it basicly a bit strange that he calls everyone who disagree with him a carebear, since the carebears are arguably those who loses most with removal of local. (as in low sec/0.0 carebears, high sec carebears wont care, and if they have an opinion they want to keep it).
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:50:00 - [62] War will suffer! Mark my words.
Shepard Book Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:55:00 - [63] The sky is falling without local is a joke and so is local. I could not believe this game even had it when I first started. Everyone has had farmers log out on them as soon as you enter system. Where is the pvp in that? Local in this game is a crutch that should be removed from 0.0. Everyone already knows the popular systems. Let low sec and empire have their care bears and farmers. Allow everyone to use the other tools in game such as a scanner and probes.
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:56:00 - [64] Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 14:56:02 I'll take that as a: "I lost but i am too ******** to admit it". That was at kale
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:57:00 - [65] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 14:56:02 I'll take that as a: "I lost but i am too ******** to admit it". That was at kale thats what i was thinking :) Trinity Corporate Services
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:57:00 - [66] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 14:56:02 I'll take that as a: "I lost but i am too ******** to admit it". That was at kale Sorry did i miss something? Give me one good reason why local is either overpowered or needs getting rid of and i'll give you a counter! Your turn!
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:58:00 - [67] Come on bring it on!
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.04.27 14:59:00 - [68] Originally by: Kale Kold Come on bring it on! oh my stfu troll
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:00:00 - [69] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: Kale Kold Come on bring it on! oh my stfu troll Ad hominem ...again!
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:02:00 - [70] Originally by: Kale Kold Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 14:56:02 I'll take that as a: "I lost but i am too ******** to admit it". That was at kale Sorry did i miss something? Give me one good reason why local is either overpowered or needs getting rid of and i'll give you a counter! Your turn! So wannabe gatecamping pirates cant run when another gang approaches with a size that comes close to the size of the gatecamping gang. So macro'ers cant log off when someone enters local. So people actually got to use those nice scanners for knowing if there is someone in a system So more strategies are possible, when you can hide in a system without everyone knowing who is there, from which corp/alliance and how many. Obvious failure is obvious

Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Kale Kold Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 14:56:02 I'll take that as a: "I lost but i am too ******** to admit it". That was at kale Sorry did i miss something? Give me one good reason why local is either overpowered or needs getting rid of and i'll give you a counter! Your turn! So wannabe gatecamping pirates cant run when another gang approaches with a size that comes close to the size of the gatecamping gang. So macro'ers cant log off when someone enters local. So people actually got to use those nice scanners for knowing if there is someone in a system So more strategies are possible, when you can hide in a system without everyone knowing who is there, from which corp/alliance and how many. Obvious failure is obvious 1. Anti-pies wont be able to see pirates in the newly removed local! 2. Someone entering the system won't see the macro miner! 3. Will the scanner reach that far? What are you saying? 4. You will never know how many people are hiding in a system, so any strategies are moot! Obvious failure is Obvious!
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:13:00 - [72] Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 15:14:57 1. you realise they actually use intel channels, so they know where you are... 2. Thats why the scanner was invented (idiot) 3. Exactly, scanner wont reach that far. So you can hide somewhere if you got a nice safespot without being scanned (or at least not being scanned from the gates). 4. Your stupidity is becoming legendary. Anyway i checked some of your 'pvp' activity on battleclinic. Care to show me your last fair fight? I checked a bit your last kills, and i have found an astonishing one pvp ship you destroyed in the last 30 kills, and that was 3v1 with HIC + battlecruiser + command ship vs 1 battlecruiser. Obvious moron is obvious. You make it pretty clear that local can be removed as intel channel without large problems, as long as the average eve player got a higher iq than 30, unlike you. But you are too stupid to think of any other way than local to get intel.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:18:00 - [73] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 15:14:57 1. you realise they actually use intel channels, so they know where you are... 2. Thats why the scanner was invented (idiot) 3. Exactly, scanner wont reach that far. So you can hide somewhere if you got a nice safespot without being scanned (or at least not being scanned from the gates). 4. Your stupidity is becoming legendary. Anyway i checked some of your 'pvp' activity on battleclinic. Care to show me your last fair fight? I checked a bit your last kills, and i have found an astonishing one pvp ship you destroyed in the last 30 kills, and that was 3v1 with HIC + battlecruiser + command ship vs 1 battlecruiser. Obvious moron is obvious. You make it pretty clear that local can be removed as intel channel without large problems, as long as the average eve player got a higher iq than 30, unlike you. But you are too stupid to think of any other way than local to get intel. signed claps lol Trinity Corporate Services
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:20:00 - [74] eh? I could form my own one man corp. Declare war on some 30-50 man empire corp. Then kill alot of them in a week by trawling the main travel routes. While helpfull local isn't vital for this.
MineralOel Steuer Amarr OP EC	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:22:00 - [75] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan eh? I could form my own one man corp. Declare war on some 30-50 man empire corp. Then kill alot of them in a week by trawling the main travel routes. While helpfull local isn't vital for this. and this is bad?
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:23:00 - [76] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan eh? I could form my own one man corp. Declare war on some 30-50 man empire corp. Then kill alot of them in a week by trawling the main travel routes. While helpfull local isn't vital for this. yer you could! so this would bring the real solo pvper fighter back in play! or small gangs! This would be fun too :) Trinity Corporate Services
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:29:00 - [77] Edited by: Kale Kold on 27/04/2008 15:30:34 Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 15:14:57 1. you realise they actually use intel channels, so they know where you are... 2. Thats why the scanner was invented (idiot) 3. Exactly, scanner wont reach that far. So you can hide somewhere if you got a nice safespot without being scanned (or at least not being scanned from the gates). 4. Your stupidity is becoming legendary. Anyway i checked some of your 'pvp' activity on battleclinic. Care to show me your last fair fight? I checked a bit your last kills, and i have found an astonishing one pvp ship you destroyed in the last 30 kills, and that was 3v1 with HIC + battlecruiser + command ship vs 1 battlecruiser. Obvious moron is obvious. You make it pretty clear that local can be removed as intel channel without large problems, as long as the average eve player got a higher iq than 30, unlike you. But you are too stupid to think of any other way than local to get intel. 1. And your going to join every intel channel in every system you visit, kinda like a 'Local' channel? 2. Really? 3. Yay, we can all hide from each other, that will be fun. Loggin in to sit in the dark for 6hrs straight! 4. Ad Hominem ...again! Obvious moron is obvious. See my other posts. Btw i see you have hardly no kills! and are ranked 98000 or sumits!!! like you should be telling me about PvP??? lol!
Ban Shui Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:30:00 - [78] I haven't read the thread, so sorry if this has already been said, why not allow the scanner to see names and standings - perhaps limiting this function to an omnidirectional scan?
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:31:00 - [79] Local is essential to carebear pirates and there wars because its been there crutch for a long time. Get rid of local and any intelligent player will adapt to the change. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:34:00 - [80] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Local is essential to carebear pirates and there wars because its been there crutch for a long time. Get rid of local and any intelligent player will adapt to the change. Actually Local is trivial for pirating. See my other posts.

AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:39:00 - [81] Originally by: northwesten yer you could! so this would bring the real solo pvper fighter back in play! or small gangs! This would be fun too :) Or someone who's name starts with the letter "A". Poping up at the top of local just plain sucks. Have far better luck with the minnie alt since it gets lost in the middle of local long enough to attack something.
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:43:00 - [82] Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 15:43:59 I indeed dont have much pvp kills. Earning isk for nicer mission ship, then gonna do pvp again. But i do it solo, and wont run away for a fight like you would. I am not a pirate, if i wanted i would have had twice as many kills. If you would look at those kills, you would know they all had combat fitting (well except the pod, but he was stupid enough not to warp out), and that it was a 6 vs 1 situation. I knew they outnumbered me, but i didnt run like you would. I accepted it and made the best of it. I took out 4 of their ships before i was destroyed, and that was the first time i did solo pvp. Intresting huh, my first time solo pvp i got more fair kills than you with all your experience. You dont need much pvp experience to use some logic and realise you are stupid. 1. Just the locals need to be in that channel, so they can kick your ass before you dock/log. 2. Yes 3. Epic stupidity. That is just the truth, live with it. Why would you hide for 6 hours without doing anything? Not logging in is much easier. System got gatecamp. Group got a cov ops frig, black ops BS that is probably boosted with dedicated fuel bay, and a group recon ships and others who can be bridged. They jump in far from the gatecamps scanners. Then they warp toward the gatecampers and have fun. Even the ships that cant warp cloaked wont have a problem, since the campers cant get out fast enough when they only see the attackers when they are warping toward them. Or of course you just hide the entire fleet in a system you know your enemy is coming through. 4. I prefer to call it the truth! 5. You seem to mistake pirating with senseless gatecamping to get easy kills.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:48:00 - [83] the problems with local: whether they change it or leave it someone is going to whine the problem with changing it: making a simple too more complicated leaves more room for bugs and more people complaining than before Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Furb Killer I indeed dont have much pvp kills. No **! Originally by:** Furb Killer Earning isk for nicer mission ship, then gonna do pvp again. But i do it solo, and wont run away for a fight like you would. I am not a pirate, if i wanted i would have had twice as many kills. What 12 kills instead of 6? Don't talk to me about PvP noob! Originally by: Furb Killer If you would look at those kills, you would know they all had combat fitting (well except the pod, but he was stupid enough not to warp out), and that it was a 6 vs 1 situation. I knew they outnumbered me, but i didnt run like you would. I accepted it and made the best of it. I took out 4 of their ships before i was destroyed, and that was the first time i did solo pvp. Intresting huh, my first time solo pvp i got more fair kills than you with all your experience. You dont need much pvp experience to use some logic and realise you are stupid. And none of my kills are PvP fitted? purlease! 1. You wont know im there without Local! 2. Lol! 3. Do you really think we dont ALL have covert/black ops alts? 4. ? 5. We don't just gatecamp you know!
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:56:00 - [85] Personally i think that they should replace local with a system based on submarine sonar with active and passive modes and maybe a 5-10 au range on passive and 100 au range on active but of course using active would pin point you and shout your presence to every one in system. The data from this system would of course have to be shown immediately on some sort of long range overview so that you didn't have to spam the scan button all the time. A system like that would not end wars it would lead to more interesting wars where the gathering of intel was a risky and interesting business that was an intergral part of warfare, much like it is in real war.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.27 15:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Kale Kold You need some tool You got that right "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 16:06:00 - [87] Originally by: RuleoftheBone You got that right Agreed!
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 16:14:00 - [88] Edited by: Furb Killer on 27/04/2008 16:15:13 Do you have more real kills than i have? Your last kills: iteron IV (cargo expanders) caracel (pve fit) dominix (no tank fitted at all, pve logistic setup) ferox (pve setup) drake (pve setup) ibis (normal setup) kestrel (not really fitted) mammoth (cargo expanders) caracel (circus fitting) imicus (no fitting) vexor (warpstabs vs hic) drake (half fitted) imicus (noob fitted, pve) iteron IV (mining fitted i guess) kestrel (pve fitted) ibis (normal fitting) prowler (no cloak fitted = dead) bestower (cargo expanders) drake (pve fitted) myrmidon (w00t first pvp fit, sucky one though. And 3v1) kestrel (pve fitted) caracel (half pve fitted) merlin (cargo expanders) badger (no fitting) omen (pvp fitting, wow second one) raven (pvp fitted i guess, too bad he forgot to fit his tank) taranis (pvp fitted, yeah 3 in a row) covetor (expanders) After that i had enough of it. Really impressed by your kills. I suppose fair fights arent your strongest point. I think we got different definitions of pvp fitted, but i think it is safe to say 80-90% of your targets have no defense, and of the remaining targets 80% is outnumbered.
Kale Kold Caldari Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.04.27 16:15:00 - [89] Originally by: Furb Killer Do you have more real kills than i have? Your last kills: iteron IV (cargo expanders) caracel (pve fit) dominix (no tank fitted at all, pve logistic setup) ferox (pve setup) drake (pve setup) ibis (normal setup) kestrel (not really fitted) mammoth (cargo expanders) caracel (circus fitting) imicus (no fitting) vexor (warpstabs vs hic) drake (half fitted) imicus (noob fitted, pve) iteron IV (mining fitted i guess) kestrel (pve fitted) ibis (normal fitting) prowler (no cloak fitted = dead) bestower (cargo expanders) drake (pve fitted) myrmidon (w00t first pvp fit, sucky one though. And 3v1) kestrel (pve fitted) caracel (half pve fitted) merlin (cargo expanders) badger (no fitting) omen (pvp fitting, wow second one) raven (pvp fitted i guess, too bad he forgot to fit his tank) taranis (pvp fitted, yeah 3 in a row) covetor (expanders) After that i had enough of it. Really impressed by your kills. I suppose fair fights arent your strongest point. And i bet i've made money in the last 2 weeks than you've ever seen! Pirating is about money not fair fights!!!
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.04.27 16:16:00 - [90] Lmao, you have no idea what pirating is. How much isk did you make from the ibis? And all the kestrel's?



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