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Toramii
Le Moulin Rouge
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:47:00 -
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Jade, in many ways we are share a similar vision for the 'space opera' that is Eve, a game we both love.
You already have my vote.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dani Leone You have heard of Jump bridges haven't you? Last time I had cause to use them they allowed caps into Cyno Jammed systems without any problems. So what Jade said still goes, they allow one side, the defenders, the use of Caps. Doesn't require precognition, just a little forward planning. And I really am surprised that you, the pure mechanics candidate, didn't know this.
You'd be surprised just how little knowledge that particular CSM candidate has on a whole range of issues Dani, behind the endless-pedantry and nauseating argumentative nit-picking is a void of ignorance on actual live server game mechanics that is quite startling if you pay overmuch attention. Fortunately few do
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I've recently returned to the game after a break of about 6 months. RL issues forced my hand, but there were plenty of gameplay issues that ushered me out, as well. Primarily, for me, was the sort of "impotent makework" that you describe in your candidacy essays. You've known me for years, and you know that I relish exactly the sort of solo- and small-gang-warfare that current 0.0 dynamics don't support or reward. I've retired from 0.0 combat, shelved my Ubiquitous Fleet-Fitted SniperBS, and turned my energies to empire warfare. While Faction Warfare piques my interest, it would be nice to have some sort of potential role in 0.0 combat.
I agree with you that the cyno jammer is one of the main problems. I understand the tactical use of the thing, but it's been implemented in a way that guarantees only the blob will fight. I've personally always loved the idea of 0.0 combat involving a few large battles supported by key small skirmishes.
Imagine if, for example, cyno jamming a system involved maintaining a network of jammers around the system. If cyno jammers couldn't function except at very small and isolated POSes. If BS-sized ships couldn't even warp to them. You could have battles where black ops jumpships open a bridge for cruiser- and frigate-class ships to enter a system and fight pitched battles for control of the jammers. When enough jammers fell, the system would be open to capital ships.
That's just an example of the sort of 0.0 combat I'd like to see. While BS- and capital-based blob combat will always have a place in the game (if only because lots of people seem to like that), they shouldn't be the only sort of combat that matters.
It's frankly been hard for me to choose where to spend my vote. Only having a single vote sharpens the issue that much more for me. I feel, however, that you would be the candidate who would be most likely to defend my chosen style of play. As such, you have my vote.
Nice to see you back Shintoko, your vote means a hellova lot to me. Thank you very much.
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: TimGascoigne on 19/05/2008 13:56:41 jade plez stop spaming your thread to the top. Posting three to four times in a row on multiple occasions in the same page is getting a little ridiculous. Of course there's nothing rule breaking about this it's just not sporting
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sevan Rax Without doubt Jade so many of your views on Eve are so close to mine it's scary.
As also an avid reader of Banks plus any other Sci-Fi or Cyberpunk I can lay my greasy paws on (of recent note; Richard Morgan) I'm all too acutely aware of the lack of finesse within Eve.
On Tradeable kill rights, such a simple thing I find it very hard to believe that this cannot be implemented and yet the impact of such a system would be such a truly liberating thing for so many... A solo players wet dream or even a part of the Mercenary's day to day income.
And for those pilots unequal or uninterested in finding the solution on their own terms are able to gain satisfaction and a sense of justice.
And War declarations... From inception to completion there is no rhyme or reason to them, other than to serve as a platform for small gang warfare from bored/disillusioned PvP pilots.
And from the massive growth in such practices I can only ascertain that something is definitely wrong with the system overall.
As you have mentioned, there are no goals nor any winning/losing conditions in place, no rewards or penalties... no resources, concessions, advantages, rights, license or even a quantifiable point of contention that could serve as a focus for the war mechanic.
Combat itself is cut dried and anemic, 'nano' ships are not a problem, they are a response to an ever increasing malaise within the Eve population which is the lack of dynamism and the static arena enforced by our environment.
Which leads me to Black-Ops, since I heard of their imminent arrival I have been enraptured by the need to have one of my own. While, I still fully intend to get into one, I'm also cognizant of the rather half arsed approach they have taken. Which disappoints me and adds to a growing apathy concerning this very fine game.
I close, to offer my whole hearted support to your passion and vision which closely echoes how I feel about Eve. Best of luck out there!
Thank you Sevan Rax, its always great to read a post from a person with a similar passion and yearning for what the game of Eve "could be" and "can be" if we keep our enthusiasms and vision and push for the right changes and development focus. We're pretty much in complete agreement on these issues I think and I'm proud to accept your support and vote sir.
As for Richard Morgan - hell yes. I love his books and the internal mythology of Takeshi Kovacs, Harlen's World and the revolutionary individualism of Quellcrist Falconer: that stuff gets me every time. I love the "make it personal quote" - very very appropriate for Eve-Online:
Originally by: Quellcrist Falconer/Richard Morgan "Altered Carbon" The personal, as everyone's so ******* fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you hereùit is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerious. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the differenceùthe only difference in their eyesùbetween players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's a tough life, an that it's nothing personal. Well, **** them. Make it personal.
That really could have been written directly for Eve-Online. Its a sentiment to play this game by really.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/05/2008 15:42:27
Originally by: TimGascoigne Edited by: TimGascoigne on 19/05/2008 13:56:41 jade plez stop spaming your thread to the top. Posting three to four times in a row on multiple occasions in the same page is getting a little ridiculous. Of course there's nothing rule breaking about this it's just not sporting
Well Tim, a quick look at your forum posting history reveals you are a Pro Hardin CSM Election Front Character devoted to telling everyone that you are voting for Hardin at every conceivable opportunity. Fair enough tactics I guess, though not to my taste obviously.
But the deeper point here, you'll note that each and everyone one of my posts in my CSM Q/A (means question and answer) thread is an Answer (or expression of gratitude for pledged support) to a particular poster. I'm curious whether you are considering that the people posting in my thread are "spammers" and shouldn't be answered? Or is there actually any problem at all in me responding to these people in a friendly and constructive manner as and when I choose to do so?
Maybe you should mind your own business and stick to publicizing your chosen candidate?
All the best.
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/05/2008 15:42:27
Originally by: TimGascoigne Edited by: TimGascoigne on 19/05/2008 13:56:41 jade plez stop spaming your thread to the top. Posting three to four times in a row on multiple occasions in the same page is getting a little ridiculous. Of course there's nothing rule breaking about this it's just not sporting
Well Tim, a quick look at your forum posting history reveals you are a Pro Hardin CSM Election Front Character devoted to telling everyone that you are voting for Hardin at every conceivable opportunity. Fair enough tactics I guess, though not to my taste obviously.
But the deeper point here, you'll note that each and everyone one of my posts in my CSM Q/A (means question and answer) thread is an Answer (or expression of gratitude for pledged support) to a particular poster. I'm curious whether you are considering that the people posting in my thread are "spammers" and shouldn't be answered? Or is there actually any problem at all in me responding to these people in a friendly and constructive manner as and when I choose to do so?
Maybe you should mind your own business and stick to publicizing your chosen candidate?
All the best.
If I didn't have views life would probably be easier for me. It is absolutely no secret ( hens the posting history with my main character )that I think Hardin has the best policies. And if he didn't exist I would probably be voting for you. Essentially the only difference between the two of you that I take interest in is that Hardin is more realistic of the fact that open ended conflicts in all of its forms encourages blob warfare. Apart from that and the cynp jammers issue and the outlook of local chat. There's nothing that I find particularly different or wrong.
Regardless of people's polarisations I think the most important thing is to make sure that in five years time the game still exists as a place of death. Where people work desperately hard in order to gain great fortune only to have it destroyed forever in pointless warfare. After all if we did not want that to happen we wouldn't play in the first place.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne Regardless of people's polarisations I think the most important thing is to make sure that in five years time the game still exists as a place of death. Where people work desperately hard in order to gain great fortune only to have it destroyed forever in pointless warfare. After all if we did not want that to happen we wouldn't play in the first place.
On that point we can certainly agree. Here's to another five years of Eve and to the enthusiastic lunatics and passionate visionary players who make this game everything it is!
All the best.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:29:00 -
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Hey Jade.
What is your take on FW, and how do you think it will work for those of us who likes small-scale warfare? 
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Markus Vaughn Best of luck to you Jade Constantine you have my vote, I don't post often on the forums but I am an avid reader and player.
Thank you Markus, your vote is greatly appreciated, hope you find all the best from Eve and keep on enjoying this game throughout the next five years of the live server!
Quote: My question though is do you think your destructible station ideas will affect the worth of ISK in the future if you're elected? Building and maintaining these structures requires a rather large amount of money in general and if their destruction becomes possible then there could be a large fluctuation in the market of materials and money. Do you see any problems with this or any countermeasures to prevent a disastrous result?
Well a fully upgraded station is an investment vaguely comparable to the Titan - with less investment in skills to assemble and deploy. Titans blow up, why shouldn't outposts - is the simple answer. But to the deeper question, yes, having destructible outposts will make it more costly to run 0.0 space empires and I think thats a good thing - 0.0 has become too easy to dominate with structures and afk-infrastructure and I'd like to see player empires really pay a price for replacing holdings damaged and eliminated in wars. Its about time 0.0 alliances felt the fiscal pressure again.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.20 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toramii Jade, in many ways we are share a similar vision for the 'space opera' that is Eve, a game we both love. You already have my vote.
Much appreciated Toramii, if I'm elected I'll do my level best to encourage the developers to embrace this vision and make it happen.
All the best mate!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.20 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Hey Jade. What is your take on FW, and how do you think it will work for those of us who likes small-scale warfare? 
Hen thats a can of worms! I guess we'll get an insight into that this coming weekend to see how it works on SiSi. As you can guess I think the implementation is suboptimal and a bit lazy to rule out alliance participation and incoming wardecs against the Militia entity, fingers crossed we'll find work-arounds. I think the loyalist RP community has been quite significantly shafted by FW obviously - at least if they were able to war-dec the opposing Faction militias they'd have some kind of meaningful "buy in".
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Gasi Kobayashi
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2008.05.20 01:32:00 -
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Thanks for the reply. You have my vote .
P.S. I'm quite new to Banks, I'm currently enjoying The Algebraist, but will definitely check "Against a Dark Background"
Thank you very much
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.20 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gasi Kobayashi Thanks for the reply. You have my vote . I'm quite new to Banks, I'm currently enjoying The Algebraist, but will definitely check "Against a Dark Background"
You'll love it 
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:17:00 -
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Just like to say some thanks at this point to the many people who helped me with this CSM Campaign, everyone's still on tender-hooks waiting for the results of course but at this stage whatever the outcome is I'm happy that a point has been made and this candidacy has stood honestly and proudly in support of Dynamic Space Warfare in Eve Online and presented a visionary agenda designed to enrich and empower a wide variety of engagement opportunities and gameplay styles on the single server.
So great thanks to the Star Fraction Director team: Cosmopolite, Heartstone, Sinrath and others for some great advise and guidance in electoral strategy and focus through the campaign, you've helped me steer the best course between issues and debates and been stern enough at times to keep me on the straight and narrow troll-avoidance path! Much appreciated guys.
Huge thanks also to Lazaroth for my graphics, Campaign Banner and Signature. To Valhalla for helping with the wordpress site, for Tareen Kashaar for the lovely destructible outpost video and to Elaron for the Eve-online blogging connection.
Thanks besides to the general Star Fraction membership for putting up with my endless vent debates and discussions and letting off steam in the evenings and generally boring you guys rigid with CSM issues! Once this is all done and dusted perhaps we can get back to some proper murder and mayhem in space again 
And whatever the outcome at this point my huge gratitude goes out to everyone who voted for me in this election and decided to stand up and be counted and bring the plight of small unit warfare and dynamic conflict in Eve to the attention of the inaugural CSM. Everyone trusting me with their vote is a visionary hero in their own right and deserves to see Eve become all it can be in the months and years ahead - fingers crossed we've got enough support to advocate the changes neccessary to break the boring status-quo in territorial warfare and ignite the fires of space operatic drama once again.
A couple of months ago I honestly hadn't made up my mind whether to run in these elections or not while mulling the issue over one voice in particular said "do it" without hesitation or restraint or a single second thought. And to that person I'm going to give a very special thanks and say I did my best in this campaign to represent this game we both love in the best possible light of what it is and what it could yet become. To Revan Neferis, hopefully I'll get that chance to change this game world for the better xxx.
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Djuma Nihilist
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:36:00 -
[286]
Congats mr new CSM chairman!!!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION 
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:42:00 -
[287]
446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |

Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus 446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere.
Don't be so sour. There is a Goonswarm rep on the council.
Jade's there because people voted.
Congratulations Jade! 
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Hrin
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:02:00 -
[289]
Jade just trolled all of Eve. This will be awesome.
I hope he has a throne.
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Sariyah
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:14:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Jade Constantine murder and mayhem in space
That's Eve. Congrats for the big chair.
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Kelsin
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:17:00 -
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Congratulations Jade!
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:20:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Dramaticus 446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere.
Don't be so sour. There is a Goonswarm rep on the council.
Jade's there because stupid people voted.
Congratulations Jade! 
FYP
Vote Goumindong for CSM |

H'aulana
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Dramaticus 446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere.
Don't be so sour. There is a Goonswarm rep on the council.
Jade's there because stupid people voted.
Congratulations Jade! 
FYP
I seriously agree with some of the stats you produce and some of the general ideas regarding balancing, but you are so damn abrasive that there is really not that many ppl that could vote for you. Arent you the one screaming ad-hominem at each and every response? I still think Id prefer you over jade in csm, but you sure do work hard to come off as a pretentious douche
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Drykor
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Dramaticus 446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere.
Don't be so sour. There is a Goonswarm rep on the council.
Jade's there because stupid people voted.
Congratulations Jade! 
FYP
Bitter much?
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RU Sirius
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:29:00 -
[295]
Edited by: RU Sirius on 21/05/2008 19:29:55
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Dramaticus 446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere.
Don't be so sour. There is a Goonswarm rep on the council.
Jade's there because stupid people voted.
Congratulations Jade! 
FYP
Are you, perchance, slightly bitter? I didn't vote for Jade but am still a welcome member of The Star Fraction (until they kick me tomorrow). we are as free as we believe ourselves to be.
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: H'aulana
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Dramaticus 446 words to say thanks.
Yeah this council is going nowhere.
Don't be so sour. There is a Goonswarm rep on the council.
Jade's there because stupid people voted.
Congratulations Jade! 
FYP
I seriously agree with some of the stats you produce and some of the general ideas regarding balancing, but you are so damn abrasive that there is really not that many ppl that could vote for you. Arent you the one screaming ad-hominem at each and every response? I still think Id prefer you over jade in csm, but you sure do work hard to come off as a pretentious douche
An ad hominem is when you say that someone is wrong because of some character defect. I only mention it because in those cases the argument against my logic was "you are stupid and suck at pvp and therefor you are wrong".
My post was not an ad hom there was no argument that had its inference hinging on the competency or actions of the the person arguing.
Also, not bitter.
Vote Goumindong for CSM |

Cassiuss
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:41:00 -
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Congrats Jade, Make us proud.
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Reverend Wreckedum
Gerbil Liberation Super Force
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:02:00 -
[298]
Congrats, Jade.
Fortunately, it looks like people did their homework as Goumindong didn't even get a significant number of votes.
Looks like EVE is safe for the moment.
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Xofii
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
An ad hominem is when you say that someone is wrong because of some character defect. I only mention it because in those cases the argument against my logic was "you are stupid and suck at pvp and therefor you are wrong".
My post was not an ad hom there was no argument that had its inference hinging on the competency or actions of the the person arguing.
Also, not bitter.
Is it not inferred that the words you changes were done so under the assumption that one must be stupid to vote for jade, hence its still categorizes AH as you used it to diminish the victory of your foe, but :meh: nvm. You'll most likely keep posting both relevant stuff and stuff percieved as obnoxious regardless. Hence lets abandom finer semantics regarding concepts that I am not familiar with.
Hopefully the CSM-candidates will bring a width of experience to this experiment, seems like a clear majority of objective ppl and a few ones that regardless of faults have grand visions, and ofc the occational one bad egg.
Gratz Jade, I dont agree with your rethorics but I do agree with parts of your vision, I hope you take pause to breath during the meetings and listen to your fellow council men/women.
Cheers Xo
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Revan Neferis
Bloodveil BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine A couple of months ago I honestly hadn't made up my mind whether to run in these elections or not while mulling the issue over one voice in particular said "do it" without hesitation or restraint or a single second thought. And to that person I'm going to give a very special thanks and say I did my best in this campaign to represent this game we both love in the best possible light of what it is and what it could yet become. To Revan Neferis, hopefully I'll get that chance to change this game world for the better xxx.
*winks
Always listen to a woman dear. Now, time to celebrations. Will give you my congratulations in a more private venue 
I'm proud of you love. Sucess!
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