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Uncle Mo	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:20:00 - [1] I just left a capital battle in our home system. There were about 100 ships in system at the time with about 14 capitals total. Our fleet of 40 or so warped to the enemy fleet and managed to lock a primary. After that, seemingly at the same time, our fleet completely lagged out. We were unable to move, lock, chat...nothing. Our carriers warped in afterwords and did a little better, but of course they had nobody to assign fighters to. An enemy sniper fleet added in later and presumably helped finish us off, not that we know for sure. Now I know some of you are experianced lag pilots who probably have some nice suggestions for us, (and yes, my computer is top of the line) but that's not the point of this thread. Why should we have to deal with lag at all? Aren't we paying monthly for a game that should work as intended? I say CCP should devote all resources to improving their server speed, at the expense of everything else. Why is CCP wasting money and time on developing ambulation and other 'enhancements' to the game, when the games' core gameplay is flawed and unplayable. The simple fact is, CCP introduced POS's and Titans into the game, and those require significant resources to defeat, resources that the server simply can't handle. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all their hard work on these extras that they're developing, but extras should only be worked on after the core gameplay is made to be solid. Right now the game is broken and it needs to be fixed. I could care less about anything CCP puts out at this point, until they fix the lag. I'm running out of reasons to play this game. My great corpmates are the only reason I still love it. I've worked very hard building up the skills and isk to buy ships, and I'm tired of not being able to control them. CCP. You need to stop everything and fix the damm server. It's time for you to spend some money. I know you're working on a supercomputer solution, but we haven't heard jack about that for many months now. You need to stop using development dollars for anything else other than improving the server. Sign if you agree folks, or post if you don't. I can't imagin a more glaring issue for CCP to be focusing on but by all means state your opinion.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:23:00 - [2] What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Tarminic on 01/05/2008 21:26:09 EVE IS DYING ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:24:00 - [4] Edited by: Freya Runestone on 01/05/2008 21:26:15 lag in EVE? Why has noone ever mentioned this before? CCP is wasting time developing ambulation because A) not everyone can work on the lag, what can a graphics designer do for example? B) it takes time, hardware shipment(+assembly), plus they need to make sure the game can run on whatever new hardware they put it on. Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 01/05/2008 21:24:17 EVE IS DYING I was gonna ask where WoW was on that chart, then I realized it only went up to 700k subs
Uncle Mo	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Uncle Mo on 01/05/2008 21:33:42 Originally by: Frug What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P I am dealing. Are you saying we should just be happy with the game as is? I wanna know WTF CCP is doing to fix it. If they intend to leave the game as is, then yea, I'm out of here. Is a dev blog on the subject completly out of line to request?
Uncle Mo	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Uncle Mo on 01/05/2008 21:33:15 double post
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Uncle Mo I am dealing. Are you saying we should just be happy with the game as is? I wanna know WTF CCP is doing to fix it. If they intend to leave the game as is, then yea, I'm out of here. If you want to know WTF they're doing to fix it you should do a little reading up on all the times and dev blogs they have written about what they're doing to fix it. I'm not a fanboy and I'm hard on them for this buggy game but they've made enough bloody posts with all kinds of links to all kinds of crap they're working on to try and solve lag. Currently I believe the focus is on the new networking layer. But seriously, another lame petition on this will accomplish nothing. Also, /signed is against the new forum rules. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Uncle Mo Originally by: Frug What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P I am dealing. Are you saying we should just be happy with the game as is? I wanna know WTF CCP is doing to fix it. If they intend to leave the game as is, then yea, I'm out of here. read dev blogs, look at hellmar's fanfest presentation about the super computer. etc.
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:33:00 - [9] What do you think will be accomplished by asking a graphic designer who is working on ambulation to help fix the lag? Do you honestly think all software engineers have the same skill set?
Uncle Mo	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Freya Runestone Originally by: Uncle Mo Originally by: Frug What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P I am dealing. Are you saying we should just be happy with the game as is? I wanna know WTF CCP is doing to fix it. If they intend to leave the game as is, then yea, I'm out of here. read dev blogs, look at hellmar's fanfest presentation about the super computer. etc. I have. I can't wait for it, but when can we expect implementation?
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Uncle Mo Originally by: Frug What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P I am dealing. Are you saying we should just be happy with the game as is? I wanna know WTF CCP is doing to fix it. If they intend to leave the game as is, then yea, I'm out of here. CCP are building a Superserver with IBM, The codename for this project is Phantom. there also bringing in this thing called Infiband.. the codename for this one is Outofdatebyrelease V8I
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.05.01 21:45:00 - [12] Internet Petitions Accomplish Nothing
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.01 22:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Gone'Postal there also bringing in this thing called Infiband.. the codename for this one is Outofdatebyrelease Hahahah - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Stuart Price Caldari Black Water.	Posted - 2008.05.01 22:50:00 - [14] Pushes the zero-lag button My work here is complete. Smug mode activated "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Tek'a Rain Gallente Collegium Mechanicae Holding	Posted - 2008.05.02 05:07:00 - [15] Programming (and network design, games design, graphic arts) is Not Ditch digging. Ditch Digging+ add more people with shovels, you dig faster, farther and deeper. Programming- You add more programmers/designers/grapic assets coordinators and you end up working Slower, Buggier and, well, Buggier. once more, repeated for people who cant read blogs, devblogs, forum posts, older forum petitions or anything else.. Throwing people at lag will not fix lag. There is no magic wand of fixing. And it's not powered by forum whines. (^devquote!)
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.02 05:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 01/05/2008 21:26:09 EVE IS DYING Oh damnit, where is the <blink> tag when you need it?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.02 09:03:00 - [17] i fly in lowsec and mission hubs about 90% of the time and the only is caused by my local internet, aside from like once every third month someone else mentions its a bit laggy the other 10% is in between mission hubs, in jita, or a quiet 0.0 system.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.05.02 09:29:00 - [18] Lag? but but but..... They got rid of space "junk"... What do you mean lag ? Are you insane?
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.02 09:31:00 - [19] /signed another thing that is killing EVE are the stupid fanbois ...
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.02 09:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Frug I'm not a fanboy and I'm hard on them for this buggy game but they've made enough bloody posts with all kinds of links to all kinds of crap they're working on to try and solve lag. Currently I believe the focus is on the new networking layer. Let's not forget all the patches where they claimed that they fixed oh-so-many-things (in the "need for speed initiative") and nothing at all changed, apparently it got worse. Sure, the new networking layer will fix everything ... And so will Infiniband. Personally, I believe those are just PR initiatives to keep more people in the false belief that fixing lag is a priority, when everything points to "the Sims" type gameplay being what CCP is basically concentrating on introducing.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Frug I'm not a fanboy and I'm hard on them for this buggy game but they've made enough bloody posts with all kinds of links to all kinds of crap they're working on to try and solve lag. Currently I believe the focus is on the new networking layer. Let's not forget all the patches where they claimed that they fixed oh-so-many-things (in the "need for speed initiative") and nothing at all changed, apparently it got worse. Going to quote this, CCP really need to pick up the pace a little, Blogs and dev posts are one thing but without action there worthless. it's nice of them to say were doing this ect but so far no results.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Frug What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P Well maybe it never occured to them to just edit the code and let lag = 0 Hey, CCP! call up the code and set lag = 0! OK now that problem is fixed, what next?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Lag? but but but..... They got rid of space "junk"... What do you mean lag ? Are you insane? Of course if they did a rush job that turned out to be buggy and exploitable, you'd be all "Well I wanted them to fix lag in a hurry, so I won't complain about the new bugs and exploits" right? You'd cut them some slack in that case, I'm sure. A look at your posting history shows that you're always ready to see both sides of the problem and not just assume that everyone who complains about CCP is correct until proved beyond all possible doubt incorrect.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:25:00 - [24] Yep. When the fleets get in to the hundreds, it's a slide show. I can understand the frustration Uncle Mo. Stay docked and know your POS's are going down. Undock and your fleets are. Lose, lose. I don't know what to tell you. I doubt CCP is ignoring it. They just don't know what the hell to do about it.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Uncle Mo Edited by: Uncle Mo on 01/05/2008 21:35:53 Originally by: Freya Runestone Originally by: Uncle Mo Originally by: Frug What the hell is another one of these threads going to accomplish? CCP is going to be like "oh jeez there's lag? And another petition omg fix it" Dude that's the state of the game right now. Deal or quit :P I am dealing. Are you saying we should just be happy with the game as is? I wanna know WTF CCP is doing to fix it. If they intend to leave the game as is, then yea, I'm out of here. read dev blogs, look at hellmar's fanfest presentation about the super computer. etc. I have. I can't wait for it, but when can we expect implementation? 2009? 2010? When its ready. Much like the CCP fish tank, it takes a long time to plan, build and install but once its up and running it will be awsome.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:31:00 - [26] Edited by: Poreuomai on 02/05/2008 11:31:26 I wonder how many people complaining about lag took part in this test: http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1951&tid=1
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 02/05/2008 11:31:26 I wonder how many people complaining about lag took part in this test: http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1951&tid=1 Only the Un-employed since it was held on a weekday "Tuesday, 29 April" Another grand move by the gods of we talk but no action there
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Gone'Postal Only the Un-employed since it was held on a weekday "Tuesday, 29 April" Another grand move by the gods of we talk but no action there Another company was paying me to test software on that particular day.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:59:00 - [29] there is very little lag most times for me in this game.. i think it plays very well.. thou i dont hang in busy systems very much.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.05.02 12:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 02/05/2008 11:31:26 I wonder how many people complaining about lag took part in this test: http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1951&tid=1 No idea. I didn't... ... but if they got all their payed employees on, they would have reached that number. Without the need for paying customers ;) In any case, I'd be interested in hearing from CCP if the test of the "new" network layer was a success.

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