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Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2008 06:30:53 Macros suck. Noone will contest this fact but why oh why do we have such an obsticle to keeping them in check as the instadrop sec status system of such harsh penaltys for aggressing players in empire? We the playerbase have taken it upon ourselves to police our economy for the betterment of all by targeting the metagamers and slackers of Eve for swift and justified punishment. Hear our cries of injustice O CCP and halve the sec hit for punishing the unclean of Eve with the rightous fire of our holy aggression upon the unclean. Yes?
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:39:00 - [2] No. Because while sec status isn't a real deterrent to pirating, halving it would mean that more and more sucicide gankers would go to high sec and there would be a collective outcry like a 1000 people loosing their CNR to someone who will profit with absolutly no penalty to them. If you want to halve sec status drops then make it much harder for suciciders. Also, and I know that realism is something never to aim for in eve, it isn't realistic that you should be able to attack other people violently a number of times before you're no longer allowed into the nice parts of the universe. This my dear is why we can never have anything, everytime we go to a nice 1.0 system you insist on attacking everything in sight
Buyerr	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:40:00 - [3] loled don't be stupid it is lamely low.. it should be -2 sec instantly for upon fire in high sec. or maybe you will drive into the side of a car totally crashing it and killing the person inside then saying "well Sunday drivers are soo freaking annoying, now there shouldn't be a punishment for this " XD
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Buyerr loled don't be stupid take your own advice
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:46:00 - [5] While on the one hand I'm opposed in every way possible to an increased sec standing hit for high sec criminal acts, I don't think that sec status penalties should be eliminated for suicide ganks either. The reason, quite simply, is that macro jackasses aren't the only people being suicide ganked. Maybe a decrease to the sec standing hit for killing someone in an NPC corp is in order. I mean killing an NPC corp character is already a double-edged sword, since you take a standing hit with both CONCORD and your victims faction.
Buyerr	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:53:00 - [6] one thing every one forgets is and the most importent IT IS NOT THE FCKING PLAYERS JOB TO REMOVE THE MACROS IT IS CCP, AND IF THEY CAN'T DO THEIR JOB THEY SHOULD FIRE THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE AND EMPLOY SOME ONE THAT CAN!!!! macros are freaking easy to remove if you had some half decent designers and wanted to do so
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Element 22 No. Bullshiat. I have 4 legit accounts that I micro to achieve maximum profits in whatevr venture I am currently intersted in and I'll be damned if some macro using arse licker will out isk me due to some illegal lame arse software that lets them afk there way to billions. ** That . I want to be able to kill them at will and not worry about having to break out the 0.0 ratting ship to crawl back to positive sec status to defend my ***** turf.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 04/05/2008 07:00:08 Originally by: Zeba Macros suck. Noone will contest this fact but why oh why do we have such an obsticle to keeping them in check as the instadrop sec status system of such harsh penaltys for aggressing players in empire? We the playerbase have taken it upon ourselves to police our economy for the betterment of all by targeting the metagamers and slackers of Eve for swift and justified punishment. Hear our cries of injustice O CCP and halve the sec hit for punishing the unclean of Eve with the rightous fire of our holy aggression upon the unclean. Yes? NO. Stop using false pretenses to get easier targets. You are as false as a the other 100 poster that try to get advantages calling "I use it against macro" "I hunt sewatshop workers". You simply want an easier time to kill other people in high sec. Try at least not to be an hypocrite when you ask that.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 04/05/2008 07:00:08 Originally by: Zeba Macros suck. Noone will contest this fact but why oh why do we have such an obsticle to keeping them in check as the instadrop sec status system of such harsh penaltys for aggressing players in empire? We the playerbase have taken it upon ourselves to police our economy for the betterment of all by targeting the metagamers and slackers of Eve for swift and justified punishment. Hear our cries of injustice O CCP and halve the sec hit for punishing the unclean of Eve with the rightous fire of our holy aggression upon the unclean. Yes? NO. Stop using false pretenses to get easier targets. You are as false as a the other 100 poster that try to get advantages calling "I use it against macro" "I hunt sewatshop workers". You simply want an easier time to kill other people in high sec. Try at least not to be an hypocrite when you ask that. ORLY? Ask around and see how many legit players I have sent to the clone vat..
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:06:00 - [10] Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 07:06:35 Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 07:06:27 that is insensitive of you to call those players "illegitimate" just because you don't agree with their playstyle. Are black people illegitimate just because you don't like their skin color? Hit.ler thought Jews were illegitimate, just saying.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Aadi Grox Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 07:06:35 Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 07:06:27 that is insensitive of you to call those players "illegitimate" just because you don't agree with their playstyle. Are black people illegitimate just because you don't like their skin color? Hit.ler thought Jews were illegitimate, just saying. WTF has race or color have to do with macro using metagaming pieces of **?? Are you a macro using lamer afk his way to billions son of a ***? Jebus fekin crist.
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 07:11:39 Originally by: Zeba macro using metagaming jew?? Are you a macro using lamer afk his way to billions son of a jew? Jebus fekin crist. fixed your post to what hit.ler would say
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Zeba macro using metagaming jews?? Are you a macro using lamer afk his way to billions jew? Jebus fekin crist. fixed your post to what hit.ler would say Mods plz moderate this guy for racist bull****. fast fact: whiskey makes you do amazingly entertaining things. on all levels.
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Zeba Mods plz moderate this guy for racist bull****. fast fact: whiskey makes you do amazingly entertaining things. on all levels. I'm not the ones hating people because they are "illegitimate". I consider every person in this game a person to be respected and treated with kindness, including racists.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Zeba Mods plz moderate this guy for racist bull****. fast fact: whiskey makes you do amazingly entertaining things. on all levels. I'm not the ones hating people because they are "illegitimate". I consider every person in this game a person to be respected and treated with kindness, including racists. I respect everyone. I just want CCP to respect my right to defend my high sec turf from macro users. Now don't get me wrong i don't target every hulk in sight thats mining in my area as I think high sec ore is anyones game but when they never ever communicate with you and have names like Happy Sky and Glorious Pony you start to have your doubts. Eve is all about teh pvp so let us get the job done ffs.
Michaela Hunt Gallente Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:42:00 - [16] ITT: Godwin's Law also, in before the lock
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.04 08:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Freya Runestone on 04/05/2008 08:20:20 Originally by: Buyerr one thing every one forgets is and the most importent IT IS NOT THE FCKING PLAYERS JOB TO REMOVE THE MACROS IT IS CCP, AND IF THEY CAN'T DO THEIR JOB THEY SHOULD FIRE THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE AND EMPLOY SOME ONE THAT CAN!!!! macros are freaking easy to remove if you had some half decent designers and wanted to do so yea, macro's are easy to fight, It's not like they are the majority of accounts for all major MMO games. every single mmo in existence has botters/macros in it. Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2008 06:30:53 Macros suck. Noone will contest this fact but why oh why do we have such an obsticle to keeping them in check as the instadrop sec status system of such harsh penaltys for aggressing players in empire? We the playerbase have taken it upon ourselves to police our economy for the betterment of all by targeting the metagamers and slackers of Eve for swift and justified punishment. Hear our cries of injustice O CCP and halve the sec hit for punishing the unclean of Eve with the rightous fire of our holy aggression upon the unclean. Yes? 1 simple reason, this allows you to kill normal players twice as often too, not just macro's, and don't try to tell me suicide gankers don't go after real people.
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.04 08:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Michaela Hunt ITT: Godwin's Law also, in before the lock Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.04 08:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Michaela Hunt ITT: Godwin's Law also, in before the lock Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Ooh, nice smiley. Thanks.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.05.04 11:51:00 - [20] If you want to defend your turf, go to low-sec or 0.0. Screaming for a lighter tab on the wrist because you 'supposedly' hunt 'macro farmers' that 'invade' 'your' high-sec is a rather pathetic attempt at making suicide ganking and general grieving easier for those that would abuse it. You have neither the right to defend your high-sec turf, nor do you have the right to claim any area of high-sec as your turf.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.04 13:27:00 - [21] Personally i think it should be much harder then it is now for a -10 player to be able to return to hi sec, u did the crime, now do the time u silly little wannabee pirate! and we all know all wannabee pirates have hi sec carebear missionrunners and industrialist anyways to pay for it all.
Batwigg	Posted - 2008.05.04 14:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Michaela Hunt ITT: Godwin's Law also, in before the lock Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. ITT; Goon trolls pubbies.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 15:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Michaela Hunt ITT: Godwin's Law also, in before the lock Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. hehehe. I need to not poast after partying. I don't even remember making this thread.
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2008 06:30:53 Macros suck. Noone will contest this fact but why oh why do we have such an obsticle to keeping them in check as the instadrop sec status system of such harsh penaltys for aggressing players in empire? We the playerbase have taken it upon ourselves to police our economy for the betterment of all by targeting the metagamers and slackers of Eve for swift and justified punishment. Hear our cries of injustice O CCP and halve the sec hit for punishing the unclean of Eve with the rightous fire of our holy aggression upon the unclean. Yes? Negative..... Smells like a gate gank squad request to me....
Kvirie Caldari Children of the Wind	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Aadi Grox Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 07:11:39 Originally by: Zeba macro using metagaming jew?? Are you a macro using lamer afk his way to billions son of a jew? Jebus fekin crist. fixed your post to what hit.ler would say Please stop projecting your racism onto others, thanks.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Freya Runestone 1 simple reason, this allows you to kill normal players twice as often too, not just macro's, and don't try to tell me suicide gankers don't go after real people. They do and most likey would but other than that tiny blip on the map where the goons were running their little jihad pr stunt suicide ganking is a one of the least common ways to die in Eve. Besides CCP could halve the hit for ship destruction and triple the hit for podding. This would make it very very risky to use smartbombing ships and would force most suiciders into ships you might have a chance to tank. It could work.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:18:00 - [27] Wow what a brilliant plea, halve the sec hit and some macros might get harder punishment. I have a better proposal, why not abolish sec hits & concord at all -> even more macros will be killed. Or even better: let's close down EVE completely, this has a macro elimination rate of 100%
Manivald Kostaja	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:13:00 - [28] Please can someone think of the carebears! Suicide ganking should be illegal because beating people on the street is illegal too!
Manivald Kostaja	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:25:00 - [29] Please can someone think of the carebears! Suicide ganking should be illegal because beating people on the street is illegal too!
thisismyalt	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2008 06:30:53 Macros suck. Noone will contest this fact but why oh why do we have such an obsticle to keeping them in check as the instadrop sec status system of such harsh penaltys for aggressing players in empire? We the playerbase have taken it upon ourselves to police our economy for the betterment of all by targeting the metagamers and slackers of Eve for swift and justified punishment. Hear our cries of injustice O CCP and halve the sec hit for punishing the unclean of Eve with the rightous fire of our holy aggression upon the unclean. Yes? Im all for it, but CCP wont go for it as it would eventually lead to more hi sec griefing against non macroers etc .
Lurana Lay	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:39:00 - [31] Macros are here to stay. Way too much money in all those accounts for CCP to want to get rid of.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:42:00 - [32] some of them cnr fits are worth an insta -5 sec now what about vastly decreased hauler kills in lowsec and for 1 ship kill the sec loss is very minimal. once you start hitting pods is when it gets bad. or say 100 haulers a day well since i can only gain sec status once every 15mins i should only be able to lose sec status once every 15mins,
Alia Xi 1-800 Pirate	Posted - 2008.05.04 23:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Manivald Kostaja Please can someone think of the carebears! Suicide ganking should be illegal because beating people on the street is illegal too! ROFL... Love it! I think of carebears, it's sort of an obsession! They have cargoholds a plenty and their smack is brilliant
Obama Girl	Posted - 2008.05.04 23:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton some of them cnr fits are worth an insta -5 sec now what about vastly decreased hauler kills in lowsec and for 1 ship kill the sec loss is very minimal. once you start hitting pods is when it gets bad. or say 100 haulers a day well since i can only gain sec status once every 15mins i should only be able to lose sec status once every 15mins, Worry not, in highsec you won't lose sec status more than once every 15 mins.
Spei Prodetor	Posted - 2008.05.05 01:42:00 - [35] best idea evar - remove belts from highsec all together put them in lowsec nullsec only. - if any roids do remain in high sec set the max radii to say 100 or less so they die to fast to be harvested. Macro's go to low sec - everyone is happy.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.05.05 01:46:00 - [36] one reason - several people are itchy on the trigger finger and many more run several accounts. i personally turn local blink off all but one or two clients, depending on character, and think its just as unfair for someone who thinks i'm a macroer just because i won't respond to their idiot pages on all my accounts right when they say something. You're doing it wrong.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.05 04:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Empyre one reason - several people are itchy on the trigger finger and many more run several accounts. i personally turn local blink off all but one or two clients, depending on character, and think its just as unfair for someone who thinks i'm a macroer just because i won't respond to their idiot pages on all my accounts right when they say something. I never get itchy on the trigger finger. If noone responds to local or private convo then I start flipping cans to get a responce. If after all that noone responds its time to break out the anti-macro protocols of which there are many effective recourses with a suicied gank being the last thing I will try due to the harsh sec hit penalty. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Jones Maloy Minmatar Unified Naval Command	Posted - 2008.05.05 07:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Lurana Lay Macros are here to stay. Way too much money in all those accounts for CCP to want to get rid of. it's quite obvious, really. Unofficial Official Jita Fubar Thread
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.05 07:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Freya Runestone 1 simple reason, this allows you to kill normal players twice as often too, not just macro's, and don't try to tell me suicide gankers don't go after real people. They do and most likey would but other than that tiny blip on the map where the goons were running their little jihad pr stunt suicide ganking is a one of the least common ways to die in Eve. Besides CCP could halve the hit for ship destruction and triple the hit for podding. This would make it very very risky to use smartbombing ships and would force most suiciders into ships you might have a chance to tank. It could work. To die (being killed while in the pod) sure, to lose a ship, no, it is common. Pass through Madmillare (SP) near Amarr and you will see that it is costantly gate camped by suicid gankers. You will find several high sec systems with the same situation.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.05 07:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton some of them cnr fits are worth an insta -5 sec now what about vastly decreased hauler kills in lowsec and for 1 ship kill the sec loss is very minimal. once you start hitting pods is when it gets bad. or say 100 haulers a day well since i can only gain sec status once every 15mins i should only be able to lose sec status once every 15mins, Ok, but you gain it only killing player pirates, -5 or less. You lose sec only killing players ships and pods, so you sould gain it only killing players and pods.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Freya Runestone 1 simple reason, this allows you to kill normal players twice as often too, not just macro's, and don't try to tell me suicide gankers don't go after real people. They do and most likey would but other than that tiny blip on the map where the goons were running their little jihad pr stunt suicide ganking is a one of the least common ways to die in Eve. Besides CCP could halve the hit for ship destruction and triple the hit for podding. This would make it very very risky to use smartbombing ships and would force most suiciders into ships you might have a chance to tank. It could work. To die (being killed while in the pod) sure, to lose a ship, no, it is common. Pass through Madmillare (SP) near Amarr and you will see that it is costantly gate camped by suicid gankers. You will find several high sec systems with the same situation. Yes this I know but I said getting your ship turned to dust bunnies by suicide gankers was the least common way for a player to lose his stuff in Eve and not that it never happens. Gatecamp threads are the same way. We get people ranting and raving about them all the time saying what a horrible situation for the good players of Eve to have to deal with and how unfair it all is to honest peace loving haulers just wanting to move thier billions around empire. But in reality gate camps are few and far between and are probably right next to suicide ganking in terms of total ships destroyed. Halving the sec hit won't magically make new gankers appear out of the woodwork to be a new scourge of the spaceways but only make the ones currently doing it last longer before having to go raise thier sec status. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.06 06:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Freya Runestone 1 simple reason, this allows you to kill normal players twice as often too, not just macro's, and don't try to tell me suicide gankers don't go after real people. They do and most likey would but other than that tiny blip on the map where the goons were running their little jihad pr stunt suicide ganking is a one of the least common ways to die in Eve. Besides CCP could halve the hit for ship destruction and triple the hit for podding. This would make it very very risky to use smartbombing ships and would force most suiciders into ships you might have a chance to tank. It could work. To die (being killed while in the pod) sure, to lose a ship, no, it is common. Pass through Madmillare (SP) near Amarr and you will see that it is costantly gate camped by suicid gankers. You will find several high sec systems with the same situation. Yes this I know but I said getting your ship turned to dust bunnies by suicide gankers was the least common way for a player to lose his stuff in Eve and not that it never happens. Gatecamp threads are the same way. We get people ranting and raving about them all the time saying what a horrible situation for the good players of Eve to have to deal with and how unfair it all is to honest peace loving haulers just wanting to move thier billions around empire. But in reality gate camps are few and far between and are probably right next to suicide ganking in terms of total ships destroyed. Halving the sec hit won't magically make new gankers appear out of the woodwork to be a new scourge of the spaceways but only make the ones currently doing it last longer before having to go raise thier sec status. The relative number of ship killed by suicide gankers is an opinion as we don't have the data. I am not convinced it is so low, but that is an opinion (BTW, if you don't see gatecamps in EVE, try flying a bit in low sec and 0.0). But the question i simple: you want suicide gankers to last longer without need to mending the standing, I feel that is a very egoistical and unfair request. You simply want to ave more fun at the expense of other players fun. I don't see why I should reduce my or my friend fun because you want more.

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