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Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 01:10:00 - [271] Originally by: WheatGrass Sorry. I couldn't sleep. Was having a nightmare about someone salvaging my wrecks. Sorry about that. By the way, thanks for the milk and cookies. Originally by: WheatGrass Great wall o' text. I certainly don't agree that we should have Concord shooting down Ninja Salvagers, but I do applaud your post. It was nicely thought out, from an RP POV, but it needs a bit of work, IMHO. (For example, if I'm getting Concorded for salvaging, I think Mission Runners should get the same fate if we're to implement your strategy.)
Bo'Tox Amarr Arkor Inc	Posted - 2009.01.16 01:26:00 - [272] Originally by: Had Enough Edited by: Had Enough on 06/05/2008 19:09:19 Salvage doesn't belong to anyone thus there is no theft. At least do some research on real world ship wrecks and salvage rights. CCP made it this way it wasn't an accident. I agree. If your really worried about Salavge, then play the game the way it is supposed to be played - MULTIPLE PLAYERS!! Get a corp mate, or other mate to salvage whilst you kill things... It IS a multiple player online game, so play it that way and you wont have any issues...
Efrim Black Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.23 18:13:00 - [273] Originally by: Bo'Tox Originally by: Had Enough Edited by: Had Enough on 06/05/2008 19:09:19 Salvage doesn't belong to anyone thus there is no theft. At least do some research on real world ship wrecks and salvage rights. CCP made it this way it wasn't an accident. I agree. If your really worried about Salavge, then play the game the way it is supposed to be played - MULTIPLE PLAYERS!! Get a corp mate, or other mate to salvage whilst you kill things... It IS a multiple player online game, so play it that way and you wont have any issues... You don't even need other people, fit a tractor and salvager to whatever ship you're running and you can salvage as you fight. If you're not efficient enough to do this, or invite a friend, Jackals like me will swoop in and pick on the corpses.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.24 22:10:00 - [274] ITT: People who know what they're doing, people who don't, and people who like to complain about something that isn't really a problem, anyway. We're Recruiting!
Bendack Starkiller Caldari New Republic Freedom Army	Posted - 2009.01.26 07:20:00 - [275] [X] The Ninja Salvager should NOT be aggro'd to the Mission Runner after the first wreck is salvaged, because I support CCP's current ruling that Salvage is free for anyone with the proper tools to retrieve from wrecks.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.01.27 11:10:00 - [276] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Alright, Candidates. I'll make this easy on you. Place an X in the box that is your POV on the matter: [X] The Ninja Salvager should be aggro'd to the Mission Runner after the first wreck is salvaged, because the Mission Runner owns the wrecks, and I feel that CCP needs to change the current dynamic. Yeah I don't see why not really. Wrecks produce valuable salvage materials, stealing somebody else's wrecks should probably count the same as stealing from cans. +1 [X] The Ninja Salvager should be aggro'd to the Mission Runner after the first wreck is salvaged, because the Mission Runner owns the wrecks, and I feel that CCP needs to change the current dynamic.
xena zena freelancers inc KenZoku	Posted - 2009.01.27 14:42:00 - [277] My solution to this and other similar problems: If your in an NPC corp you can't loot from, salvage from, take from a can/wreck that you didn't create/kill, period. It will pop up a warning that you have to be in a player corp to do those actions. Once in a player corp you can do everything you currently do except now the person your "stealing" from has the OPTION to war dec your corp. Doesn't break CCP's intention that materials that require skill has no ownership. Provides some incentive for people to leave the npc corps (although I think after a specified amount of skill they should be forced to leave, but thats another topic.) Provides a way for people being victimized by this to exact revenge.
Haggarid Gallente Blackmoore Organization	Posted - 2009.01.28 16:17:00 - [278] It's the game people. If you loot salvage, you incur the wrath. If you think you are entitled to the salvage of the wrecks you are responsible for, then take it... You already are aggro'd against the ships owner, stealing their stuff can't get you any worse off. There is no reason why the game needs to tell you who came and looted your prize, if you didn't stick around to keep it. That is your problem. EVE laws dictate that the wreck belongs to the injured party. Anyone looting a wreck, but the owner, is breaking the law. That doesn't mean the owner has to be interested in coming after you... he may still be licking his wounds from the fight, and is likely to be more peeved at the guy who blew him up than the guy who picked his bones. Why not act like a real salvager, and make a deal to return the property to the owner? If he is willing to pay the salvaging fee... I didn't come here looking for a fight... And I'm not so sure it was glad it found me...
Xylia Ailyx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.01 02:30:00 - [279] [X] The Ninja Salvager should NOT be aggro'd to the Mission Runner Aggro should come from theft, which assumes ownership - however IF the wreck belongs (and I am not saying it has an owner at all) to someone, it could only belong to the NPC Corp the Mission Runner was fighting (True Power, Guardian Angels etc), not the Mission Runner.
Phaezon	Posted - 2009.02.02 16:50:00 - [280] Ninja salvager should be agro to mission runner
Elena Morin'staal Minmatar Tau Online Explorator Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.02.03 12:08:00 - [281] Ninja Salvager should never be aggro'd to mission runner, mission runner should stop giving carebears a bad name and learn the deal with their wrecks. Jeez, you guys make me ashamed to be a carebear sometimes.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.03 20:58:00 - [282] Ooh, I've got an idea... [X] The Mission Runner SHOULD be aggro'd to the Ninja Salvager! All Mission Runners, upon salvaging a wreck, should immediately be aggro'd to any Ninja Salvager that are currently in that Deadspace pocket. This would be verified by the higher level of Salvaging Training achieved. Thus, if the Ninja Salvager has Salvaging V (as I do) they become the owner of said wreck, and any attempt to tractor and/or salvage said wreck gives aggro of the Mission Runner to the Ninja Salvager. I like it. What do you guys think? We're Recruiting!
StarStryder Zero-Hour	Posted - 2009.02.07 12:44:00 - [283] I'll be honest, I haven't read this entire thread as I've already read several started by Tchell. A thought just occurred to me that I think is original. How about no flagging but salvagers do not work when the wreck is being tractored by someone else. Just stops this salvaging out of your tractor beam crap that seems to annoy so many people.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.10 19:13:00 - [284] Originally by: StarStryder A thought just occurred to me that I think is original. How about no flagging but salvagers do not work when the wreck is being tractored by someone else. Just stops this salvaging out of your tractor beam crap that seems to annoy so many people. It is original, but I don't like it. Besides that, will it also stop those from looting from inside a tractor as well?
Jay Marshall Caldari Walks Forever Trade Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 21:23:00 - [285] While I have run many missions, I've never seen a "ninja salvager", but I do have to say if that I am the one putting in the effort to do the mission, and then someone comes along as I am killing the npcs and starts taking the salavge which I earned by killing the ship, I would be rather annoyed. Now tbh I usually bring my alt with me into the missions in a salvage ship, makes things go fast and simple, and in the end I sit with the big ship as the alt finishes up the salavaging, goes and deposits they stuff and comes back ready for more. Worse case, if I am on my own, I take some secure cans, pop on a salvager and TB and shove it all into the secure can so after I can go switch to a hauler and come get it. I would have say I am FOR aggro rights on ships I have nuked if someone tries to take the salvage, much like if they tried to take the can. I am curious to know if in the event the OP enters a mission area and is asked politely by the mission runner not to salvage because he will be doing so, would he leave? Would the OP or any other "ninja salvager" ask when they arrive in an area if the mission runner is going to salvage? Would you still salvage if the mission runner says "yes I am going to salvage, but I have to switch out ships to do so" (Not everyone can afford two accounts or wants too).
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2009.02.16 05:26:00 - [286] Just wanted to pop in and say im actually stunned to see all the posts COMPLAINING about mission rewards, literally the most lucrative risk free profession in EVE.
Harrigan VonStudly Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.24 00:21:00 - [287] Quote: [X] The Ninja Salvager should NOT be aggro'd to the Mission Runner after the first wreck is salvaged, because I support CCP's current ruling that Salvage is free for anyone with the proper tools to retrieve from wrecks. Never should a ninja salvager be aggro'd. The wreck belongs to the npc corp. I think that the loot should also belong to the npc corp and not cause aggro if taken by someone other than the mission runner. Where is the line drawn? If ninja salvaging caused an aggro flag to the mission runner on the ninja, do you have abandoned drones flag aggro if they are scooped by someone other than the owner of the drones? If a player ejects from a ship and leaves it sitting in space, as long as you're trained to fly it, you can board it and take it. Obviously ownership of that ship is the pilots only as long as they are aboard it. Mission runners are never aboard npc target obviously. So why should they claim soul ownership over the entire wreck? They get the loot or an aggro flag if the loot is stolen. That's good enough in my opinion.
Lian Xander State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.04.13 19:34:00 - [288] Edited by: Lian Xander on 13/04/2009 19:38:51 Edited by: Lian Xander on 13/04/2009 19:38:11 Let's drag this topic back up since it ***es me off so much, and I just love the sound of carebears whinning ... The fact that this has even been put to multiple choice is absurd, especially when CCP clearly states that NO-ONE owns the wreck. As another poster put it in a separate forum; if the wreck had any ownership at all, it would be to the entity that lost the ship in the first place - but, it doesn't. Here's CCP definition of the term "wreck" - http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=330 As you can see, the game mechanics are just as designed. There are no game exploits here, it's simply a human exploit (if you can even look it like that). A ship was destroyed and a wreck was created in it's place. Now that wreck is free and open to anyone with "...the expertise required to extract usable materials from space debris to put their skills to use." - CCP* I've ran missions (still do in fact), and I salvage my mish'es; but, I've also been "ninja'd" as well (as I have ninja'd others). It goes with territory, this is EVE. It's not a single player game. There are thousands of people out there and you will encounter them. We all like to have our "alone" time in the game, but this is how it is. Another absurdity is the reasoning that this is done so that they can PvP the PvE guys and all that nonsense. Ninja ships have paper-thin armor (usually) and probably would do more damage by rolling down their windows and spitting at you. If anyone runs a greater risk - it's the ninja. Flame all you want, it's not a loop hole - it's the game. -
Nidhiesk	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:50:00 - [289] I like the way the salvage "system" already works so no change is neccesary but... if there would be a change (threatening me with a gun on my head ) well, how about this: first to salvage the wreck belongs to him... its yellow even to you, fleet, corp mates and EVERYONE else. Becomes white to the person who does the first successful salvage. Plain and simple. just like cans (I dont know if it changed with the patches) but if the can is yellow and you take from it, its stealing and you get aggro..well you can shoot him in other words.
Doctor Penguin Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:13:00 - [290] I was reading the first page and got bored. Bear with me. If a wreck is salvaged by anybody outside that player's corp/alliance in the first 15 mintues after the wreck is created, that gets the Ninja Salvager flagged. After this, the Salvager can do whatever the hell he likes, including looting the wreck. ________________________________________________ http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable.
Jim diGriz Caldari The Stainless Steel Rat	Posted - 2009.04.20 17:17:00 - [291] [X] The Ninja Salvager should NOT be aggro'd to the Mission Runner after the first wreck is salvaged, because I support CCP's current ruling that Salvage is free for anyone with the proper tools to retrieve from wrecks. Keep salvaging free.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2009.04.22 11:58:00 - [292] Hello, I couldn't be bothered to train any useful skills which allow me to actually make my own ISK. Does anyone mind if I come into your mission and salvage all your wrecks? I know it's a pretty big part of your income as a mission runner but I really don't care. Ninjas should copy-paste this in local and see what kind of response they get. Maybe some runners don't salvage but most do. And before any ninjas respond by saying "scanning/salvage skills take time to train up", compare that with the amount of time it takes to get lvl 4 mission running skills up.
Denna Black Relentless Storm Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.22 19:11:00 - [293] Originally by: Jita Jenn And before any ninjas respond by saying "scanning/salvage skills take time to train up", compare that with the amount of time it takes to get lvl 4 mission running skills up. Tell that to the 3 month old raven pilots doing lvl 4 misions with ease... It's all about risk/reward in my opinion. You want to sit in high sec, untouchable by other players, and rake in the isk hand over fist, there should be some risk. In this case the risk is that "some" of your profit is at risk from a ninja salvager.
Havohej Minmatar KHM Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.22 21:36:00 - [294] Originally by: zoolkhan i think deadspace is a holy mission runners reservate. _by design_ other players are supposed to stay out unless part of the gang. Laughable. If that were the case, then the _design_ wouldn't allow mission runners in deadspace to be probed out and intruded upon to begin with. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2009.04.23 00:52:00 - [295] Originally by: Denna Black It's all about risk/reward in my opinion. You want to sit in high sec, untouchable by other players, and rake in the isk hand over fist, there should be some risk. In this case the risk is that "some" of your profit is at risk from a ninja salvager. Hmm...isn't this exactly what ninja salvagers do? What do they risk? Mission runners risk losing their ships if the mission goes wrong. And please tell me, how many lvl 4 Minmatar Fleet agents (for example) are there in highsec? Ninja salvagers are just griefers who couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag so all they can do to harass other players is steal their salvage.
Denna Black Relentless Storm Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.23 12:15:00 - [296] Originally by: Jita Jenn [Hmm...isn't this exactly what ninja salvagers do? What do they risk? Mission runners risk losing their ships if the mission goes wrong. And please tell me, how many lvl 4 Minmatar Fleet agents (for example) are there in highsec? Ninja salvagers are just griefers who couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag so all they can do to harass other players is steal their salvage. Ever warped a probing ship into Recon 3 of 3? hehe There's a risk for you. Or what if the mission runner leaves the mission? Then we risk aggro. Yes the risk is low, but I think the level of risk for the salvager is on par with the risk for the mission runner.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.24 03:08:00 - [297] Originally by: Denna Black Originally by: Jita Jenn [Hmm...isn't this exactly what ninja salvagers do? What do they risk? Mission runners risk losing their ships if the mission goes wrong. And please tell me, how many lvl 4 Minmatar Fleet agents (for example) are there in highsec? Ninja salvagers are just griefers who couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag so all they can do to harass other players is steal their salvage. Ever warped a probing ship into Recon 3 of 3? hehe There's a risk for you. Or what if the mission runner leaves the mission? Then we risk aggro. Yes the risk is low, but I think the level of risk for the salvager is on par with the risk for the mission runner. From my time in SN i remember most members not only salvaged but looted wrecks in the missions they entered. Frigate/Destroyer fit with salvagers vs Battleship carrying light drones that can permatank an entire lvl 4 spawn. There is some risk for you. If missionrunners would rather retaliate on the forums in the form of whines rather than in game, well, I'd say that rather predjudices any argument against them. I just KNOW some of you are thinking 'but he will come back in a pvp ship and kill the Missionrunenr if he gets shot at by him'. Oh, just a minor thing- the Missionrunners entire corp have aggression rights to the looter. Please don't forget that the MR can change ships as well, nor that your average pilot running level 4's makes isk an order of magnitude faster than anyone Ninja Salvaging and should a ship be lost. tl;dr Missionrunners have plenty of effective tools against Ninja Salvagers, in reality they hold all the keys to the castle. But wait...what if the Ninja doesn't loot? Salvage alts to beat him to the quick Suicide gank him Warp out and watch the rats pop him Turn in mission and take out another one Mission in a less crowded system with no salvagers Mission in a hub (less chance that YOU will be scanned out or selected) Make a deal with the salvager, he takes a % cut, your isk/hour efficiency probably increases. Secretly MirrorGod. Apparently Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2009.04.24 03:29:00 - [298] Originally by: Denna Black Ever warped a probing ship into Recon 3 of 3? hehe There's a risk for you. Or what if the mission runner leaves the mission? Then we risk aggro. Yes the risk is low, but I think the level of risk for the salvager is on par with the risk for the mission runner. lol Why the hell would a ninja salvager warp into Recon 3/3? There are no wrecks there. If the mission runner leaves a room, the ninja would be an idiot not to leave as well. So, the only risk to a ninja salvager seems to be their own stupidity.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2009.04.24 03:42:00 - [299] Originally by: RedSplat There is some risk for you. If missionrunners would rather retaliate on the forums in the form of whines rather than in game, well, I'd say that rather predjudices any argument against them. Who's whining? It was a ninja that started this thread. I'm simply pointing out why ninjas are the bums of EVE. By the way, I haven't had the pleasure of a ninja trying to take my salvage but I always keep a good suicide gank ship in the system I mission in just in case. Originally by: RedSplat Please don't forget that the MR can change ships as well, nor that your average pilot running level 4's makes isk an order of magnitude faster than anyone Ninja Salvaging and should a ship be lost. Mission runners also have to spend a hell of a lot more to make that ISK in the first place. Ships, mods, T2 ammo and drones. It all adds up. Not to mention ships lost in lowsec to pirates for mission runners who decide to go that route.
Jita Jenn	Posted - 2009.04.24 03:51:00 - [300] Ok, let's look at this another way. Miner Joe is mining away all by himself. Mining griefer warps in, targets Miner Joe's asteroids and starts mining. Is this illegal? No. Is it a sh*tty thing to do? Very much so. As far as I'm concerned, salvage ninjas are just griefers who don't want to risk anything by engaging in actual PvP.

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