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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.07 10:57:00 -
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Not one to whine much but 'PVP' pilots with Falcon alt's are annoying, and no I'm not moaning because I lost anything, my ship is intact. I'm just bemoaning the fact I couldn't have a decent scrap without the "intervention" 
He undocks, I undock, he mwd's away from the station... hmmmm why the sudden rush?, he engages and fires away, I scram him for a second and disengage immediatly thinking something is fishy, Falcon uncloaks and jams, I redock after a minute. Smack, smack, smack. Yawn.
Him Harbinger, me Brutix... a pretty even fight I was willing to lose for a decent fight, he wanted it on easy mode.
How common is this scenario?
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THEHUNTER123
Minmatar
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:05:00 -
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if in doubt bring a falcon
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:05:00 -
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I have not heard of this to happen all that often. Falcons aren't exactly a quick thing to train in a brand new alt - so this would only ever happen when you bump into a older pilot who has a 2nd account and has taken the time to do this.
Chances are that Falcon alt was not intended to solo PvP with, but to provide cynosural fields for a capital on his main account. It's possible you were a victim of circumstance, the circumstance that he just happened to have his falcon in the same station when you were going to attack him :P
It is possible that alt's creation was for PvP though after all - but if that was true you can expect him to pull out a different ship than a Falcon at some point. But are you entirely sure this is a alt we are talking about? People who can multi-task between 2 characters in a fight at the same time and not have performance issues is a rare-breed - at least when the alts are also attackers. I suppose its easier to PvP on two names when the other name does nothing but sit at range and jam.
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"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the |
Mikko Alatalo
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:10:00 -
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Sun Tzu said: The good fighters of old first put
themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then
waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our
own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy
is provided by the enemy himself.
Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat,
but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:11:00 -
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everyone allready have a falcon alt.. if you dont have you beter start training!
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Fivel Ve
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:15:00 -
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hmmmmmmm.... i now know how to advertise my alt I will be selling that can fly caldari recon 
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Loree
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Loree on 07/05/2008 11:29:50
Hah, I was the falcon pilot. Next time don't think all fights are 1v1 in eve. You started the smack first , so i finished it. Get over it.
ps. I was there for your modules.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.05.07 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 07/05/2008 11:32:20
1 Falcon alt isn't too bad, it's when they have 2 or more that it really sucks!
I dunno why stationhumpers get all butthurt when people deagress and dock when they are permajammed though.
The funniest thing about falcon alts is when the idiot doesn't have it very far away and you have say... luck or an overloaded eccm and instapop it then procede to have your way with his gang.
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Kahrek Laume
Gallente
Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.05.07 13:54:00 -
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With the nerf to damps (See many lachesis / arazu around?) ECM boats are now the FoTM and the default iwin for small gang warfare, ECCM is soon to become a necessary item. Even with ECCM unless your sensor strength hits the 40's you are going to be prettymuch permajammed.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Kahrek Laume
With the nerf to damps (See many lachesis / arazu around?) ECM boats are now the FoTM and the default iwin for small gang warfare, ECCM is soon to become a necessary item. Even with ECCM unless your sensor strength hits the 40's you are going to be prettymuch permajammed.
or just get a single ship to get his drones on the falcon and keep making it warp out/kill it.
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Celador Nane
the united
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: Kahrek Laume
With the nerf to damps (See many lachesis / arazu around?) ECM boats are now the FoTM and the default iwin for small gang warfare, ECCM is soon to become a necessary item. Even with ECCM unless your sensor strength hits the 40's you are going to be prettymuch permajammed.
or just get a single ship to get his drones on the falcon and keep making it warp out/kill it.
Your drones go 230km?... nice....
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Celador Nane
Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: Kahrek Laume
With the nerf to damps (See many lachesis / arazu around?) ECM boats are now the FoTM and the default iwin for small gang warfare, ECCM is soon to become a necessary item. Even with ECCM unless your sensor strength hits the 40's you are going to be prettymuch permajammed.
or just get a single ship to get his drones on the falcon and keep making it warp out/kill it.
Your drones go 230km?... nice....
I know you probably don't get out in 0.0 too much, but there are nanoships like the ishtar which go fast, meaning they can travel a good distance then have their drones attack. If the falcon cloaks/warps out, you have successfully taken it out of the fight.
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Celador Nane
Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: Kahrek Laume
With the nerf to damps (See many lachesis / arazu around?) ECM boats are now the FoTM and the default iwin for small gang warfare, ECCM is soon to become a necessary item. Even with ECCM unless your sensor strength hits the 40's you are going to be prettymuch permajammed.
or just get a single ship to get his drones on the falcon and keep making it warp out/kill it.
Your drones go 230km?... nice....
Hey, if it's a random encounter and they just happen to have a BM 230km off the fight location, then there's no reason why you can't :)
If you pick the location, they wont have a falcon at 230km... if they pick the location then it's fair enough.
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Ralara / Ralarina
"SMASH is probably the alliance most immune to failure cascade, why? because their is no organisation to collapse its just a random mish mash of various players." |
Celador Nane
the united
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:24:00 -
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warp out
Warp in @ 100
Bookmark
Warp out (diff direction)
Warp in @ 100
Apr 200km from gate in non aligned position in a couple of mins, more than enuff time for any decent fight, not to mention all real falcon flyers bookmark every gate they come across & have many jamming points
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Celador Nane
all real falcon flyers bookmark every gate they come across & have many jamming points
your typical 0.0 roaming gang...
FC: alright, everyone jump on contact
falcon pilot: WAIT!!!!
FC: what
falcon pilot: give me a minute or 2 to make a jamming bm
FC: *facepalm*
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Celador Nane
the united
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:35:00 -
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Hahaha... so true...
But all of the popular spots usually have em premade ;)
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:40:00 -
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nobody is making you fight at choke point gates, a decent nanofag gang will **** up a falcon anyway
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Celador Nane
the united
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:45:00 -
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Any decent camp also has raipers & huggins to kill said ergo nanogangs
With falcon support also, try catching 2 or 3 falcons with multiple bookmarks who warp between n cloak, uncloak jamm etc..
Harder than it sounds... trust me
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Celador Nane
Any decent camp also has raipers & huggins to kill said ergo nanogangs
With falcon support also, try catching 2 or 3 falcons with multiple bookmarks who warp between n cloak, uncloak jamm etc..
Harder than it sounds... trust me
then avoid that fight if you can't kill it, it isn't a matter of falcons/rapiers being overpowered, it is a good gatecamp.
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 07/05/2008 14:57:06
Lol... A western style stand-off in EVE could be either:
Stealth Bomber vs. Stealth Bomber @ 10km
Falcon vs. Falcon
WHO WILL LOCK THE FIRST?! 
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:32:00 -
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Minmatar mafia loves the falcon
all their kills on us have at least 1 falcon 
and yes bc on bc would have been a good fight. i would have at least let it gone untill it was known who would win, aka you would blow up before you could dock again or i was going to lose my ship before uncloaking the falcon
and I tried to falcon + snipe bs at the same time once, it didn't go well... getting jammed and then having to relock and shoot the right guy and jam the other guys managing all that at the same time is
2 bs or 2 falcons i think i could do
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Minmatar mafia loves the falcon
not as much as the xl booster polycarbed drake
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.07 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Minmatar mafia loves the falcon
not as much as the xl booster polycarbed drake
trying to keep that on the dl
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.07 20:45:00 -
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ccp should really reverse the boost to falcons.
ecm is making this game really lame.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: THEHUNTER123
if in doubt bring a falcon
sadly if only this was true, more like, if in doubt, bring twice as many people.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Everyone Dies
ccp should really reverse the boost to falcons.
ecm is making this game really lame.
yeah, the rook is pretty much only for poor people now
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Everyone Dies
ccp should really reverse the boost to falcons.
ecm is making this game really lame.
Hey, I have a great idea! Lets make all the ships made for the role ECM useless! 
*I'm for buffing damp boats btw, they need a buff so you people ***** about them as well since its not fair using ewar!*
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES! |
Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated
Hey, I have a great idea! Lets make all the ships made for the role ECM useless!
*I'm for buffing damp boats btw, they need a buff so you people ***** about them as well since its not fair using ewar!*
1) rook
2) I flew falcons before the buff, they were fine
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:33:00 -
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Whine hard enough and they will nerf the falcon.
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.07 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 07/05/2008 22:53:08
I notice its mostly minnie players whining, I don't blame them though, Minmatar have the worst sensor strengths in the game.
A lot of minnies whine about the idea of a speed nerf though because "It's like the only thing we got going for us". Perhaps you all should think about your own whiny feelings about speed when you cry for another ECM nerf - you cannot deny how worthless the Caldari fleet would be in PvP once that happens.
In other words, if you can't live with the idea of speed nerfs, you have no right demanding everything else but your nanohacs be nerfed.
Actually - it may be more simple if CCP just beat the **** out of ECM and nanos/od's with the nerf bat. Let's get them to do that, or will the cry-much back down now?
No - REALLY, I mean it. If you guys can live without a speed nerfaggedon, by ALL MEANS - the Caldari can live with another ECM nerfaggedon. Try me...
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