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Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:32:00 - [61] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Malcanis So invent things for which there are no BPOs and make HUGE profit, amirite? EAS and HICs spring to mind here. There are no BPOs for those, so a quick investigation of the market for those will show you what kind of profits you could expect in a BPO free game. The old T2 BPO situation was obviously unsatisfactory. The current situation may also be somewhat unfair but as previously commented, the volume of the market makes it irrelevant. Prices on T2 items aren't low because of BPOs; prices are low because invention is accessible to anyone. The level of the market is set by the best-skilled inventors, and it is they whom the noob T2 producer is really competing with. tl;dr: Get all your relevant skills to 5 and see how much profit you make then. Not enough demand for those two ship types to cover the long term expenses of invention. You need to make it viable to invent anything, which sadly right now it isn't. In fact using invention its almost impossible to make a profit unless you just assume your time is worthless and mine most of it yourself (including the moon stuff). So you want to get a return without investment? Your argument is that you will not get back the value of the skills and interfaces in the first week of production? Buy a T1 BPO and see what is the time needed to get back the investment.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: El'Niaga I wasn't talking about Marauder and Black Ops.... Yes there are those that consider their time worthless, and you'll never change those. At the same time the t2 BPOs are nothing more than shuttles in the pricing scheme of things. They removed NPC shuttle sales because they were holding down the price of tritanium. They should eliminate the t2 BPOs for the same reason. T2 BPOs are holding down the price of trit? No but they are artificially holding down t2 prices. It is an advantage no one else has and no one can obtain. When first announced about invention Oveur said that the t2 BPOs would be removed and it's about time it happened. Don't say falsehood. I have read practically anything that was written by Devs about invention and it was never stated that the T2 BPo would be removed. So post a link if you aren't inventing if from nothing. If this forum had a search engine I'd be happy to. Its in one of the initial threads talking about invention. He did say that they were looking into removing them but were working on how to compensate, personally they've had enough compensation with the millions of isk they've made over the last year alone.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:37:00 - [63] Originally by: Natsuki supercaps take effort to acquire. t2 bpos required no effort aside from clicking a button and luck. Lol. 15b for mothership to buy it off the market. Where some t2 BPOs costed 70+ bil isk (hulks?). Why those who payed 70b should get screwed over and those who payed 15b should not?
Gergoomi	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:11:00 - [64] T2 BPOs There is no way in game to acquire them unless you buy them off someone who was lucky enough to get one or a few. These are the only things in game that players do not have the option of getting unless they have billions of isk & the T2 BPO holder wants to sell it. T2 BPOs favor older player who have access to moon mining and or minerals. These in turn can be turned into components thus making T2 ships. The T2 market is based on these moon minerals & components. Go get some ship component BPOs find a good moon to mine(if you can find one or take control of one) and start selling those components to the T2 BPO holders, if they don't have a setup already. There was a lot of controversy behind the lottery & some other stuff that I won't mention, hence why CCP stopped the lottery. There is no clear way to settle this. One is to reintroduce T2 either through RP or LP & introduce T3 through invention only. I don't know if CCP is looking for a way for this issue to be dealt with, but those of us not lucky enough to get one, will just have to settle for invention.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:24:00 - [65] Originally by: El'Niaga If this forum had a search engine I'd be happy to. Its in one of the initial threads talking about invention. He did say that they were looking into removing them but were working on how to compensate, personally they've had enough compensation with the millions of isk they've made over the last year alone. This forum has a search function and if you wish to sustain your position you shouldn't be so lazy not to use it: Originally by: CCP Oveur Regarding the question of more BPOs, where they come from, turning older BPOs int BPCs. There isn't an answer to that. It's almost impossible to achieve a mechanic for putting out such immense treasures like Ship BPOs while the "lesser" BPOs aren't in money-printing-territory, making those BPOs unfairly biased by the need to make Ship BPOs "fairly" distributed. However, imagine if you could work with BPCs? Then you could get a BPC from invention, spend some time increasing runs, making it more efficient and better compete - if you are willing to put time into it? Perhaps Reverse Engineering should be this mechanic? Perhaps it's there we should focus on achieving more BPO like stature of invented BPOs? By this I mean primarily the runs. After a certain amounts of runs, you're in the BPO territory, especially if you are allowed to work with it, aren't you? Current Tech 2 BPOs will certainly not be removed. There are more than 10.000 out there, far from all of them being something really sought after. However, it's certainly worth investigating turning them into very high run BPCs like was done with the old Infinite copies but I'd say that the ability to work with them more (research etc.) would be an absolute prerequisite before doing anything like that. Now, IF we find a final solution, which we all trust and feel "fair", for example one which takes more aspects than a single BPO example into account (I'm getting tired of the Hulk/HAC example here), we could with certainty say that all future tech comes through invention. Until then, we can't even entertain the thought. Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming (Underlining is mine. Link So you were remembering what you wished he had said instead of what he did say. Hardly a surprise. Out of curiositi you had even tryed researching for the link?
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:43:00 - [66] Originally by: El'Niaga If this forum had a search engine I'd be happy to. Its in one of the initial threads talking about invention. He did say that they were looking into removing them but were working on how to compensate, personally they've had enough compensation with the millions of isk they've made over the last year alone. "Hi i bought my new t2 BPO for 10bil isk yesterday. I made total zero ISK till today and now you removed my BPO. Where is my compensation?" To sum up - you are either stupid or totally clueless. Or both at the same time.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:47:00 - [67] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: El'Niaga If this forum had a search engine I'd be happy to. Its in one of the initial threads talking about invention. He did say that they were looking into removing them but were working on how to compensate, personally they've had enough compensation with the millions of isk they've made over the last year alone. "Hi i bought my new t2 BPO for 10bil isk yesterday. I made total zero ISK till today and now you removed my BPO. Where is my compensation?" To sum up - you are either stupid or totally clueless. Or both at the same time. Givin CCP's time scales for doing anything, they could give advanced warning so this don't happen. Questions, Comments, Problems, Please address them to the CSM.. Now CCP Never have to visit the forum. -V8I-
Zor Chayne Hedion University	Posted - 2008.05.10 15:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Deva Blackfire "Hi i bought my new t2 BPO for 10bil isk yesterday. I made total zero ISK till today and now you removed my BPO. Where is my compensation?" To sum up - you are either stupid or totally clueless. Or both at the same time. You are unbelievably narrow minded. If you want to play the fairness-by-numbers game, give me the percentage of the Eve userbase that own a Falcon BPO or a Sabre BPO. 1%? 0.1%? Less? That's a pretty small number huh? How is that fair to the 99.9% of the rest of the userbase? These threads are full of people complaining that things aren't handed to them on a plate, and T2 BPO owners that just bftch at the complainers. You have two choices, it's very simple: Make additional T2 BPOs available to the general populace through some means of hard work. Level the playing field by making all T2 BPOs BPCs and moving all T2 production to invention only. If CCP want to claim people can make anything they like of themselves in this universe, then they can't have little elitist circlejerks like limited T2 BPOs, I mean we all remember how that has been abused in the past, don't we? -- :(
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.10 15:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Zor Chayne Originally by: Deva Blackfire "Hi i bought my new t2 BPO for 10bil isk yesterday. I made total zero ISK till today and now you removed my BPO. Where is my compensation?" To sum up - you are either stupid or totally clueless. Or both at the same time. You are unbelievably narrow minded. If you want to play the fairness-by-numbers game, give me the percentage of the Eve userbase that own a Falcon BPO or a Sabre BPO. 1%? 0.1%? Less? That's a pretty small number huh? How is that fair to the 99.9% of the rest of the userbase? These threads are full of people complaining that things aren't handed to them on a plate, and T2 BPO owners that just bftch at the complainers. You have two choices, it's very simple: Make additional T2 BPOs available to the general populace through some means of hard work. Level the playing field by making all T2 BPOs BPCs and moving all T2 production to invention only. If CCP want to claim people can make anything they like of themselves in this universe, then they can't have little elitist circlejerks like limited T2 BPOs, I mean we all remember how that has been abused in the past, don't we? You can already get T2 BPOs in the same way that most of the current owners got them. Buy them. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.10 16:05:00 - [70] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 10/05/2008 16:05:06 Originally by: Zor Chayne Originally by: Deva Blackfire "Hi i bought my new t2 BPO for 10bil isk yesterday. I made total zero ISK till today and now you removed my BPO. Where is my compensation?" To sum up - you are either stupid or totally clueless. Or both at the same time. You are unbelievably narrow minded. If you want to play the fairness-by-numbers game, give me the percentage of the Eve userbase that own a Falcon BPO or a Sabre BPO. 1%? 0.1%? Less? That's a pretty small number huh? How is that fair to the 99.9% of the rest of the userbase? These threads are full of people complaining that things aren't handed to them on a plate, and T2 BPO owners that just bftch at the complainers. You have two choices, it's very simple: Make additional T2 BPOs available to the general populace through some means of hard work. Level the playing field by making all T2 BPOs BPCs and moving all T2 production to invention only. If CCP want to claim people can make anything they like of themselves in this universe, then they can't have little elitist circlejerks like limited T2 BPOs, I mean we all remember how that has been abused in the past, don't we? So what? just because we are relatively few in number they should punish us? Are we not players too? Should we delete all accounts with 90m+ skillpoints? Should we find out where all T2 BPO owners live, round them up into camps and... You get the picture. Why don't you just come out and say you hate minorities.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.10 16:10:00 - [71] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 10/05/2008 16:14:55 Originally by: Zor Chayne You are unbelievably narrow minded. If you want to play the fairness-by-numbers game, give me the percentage of the Eve userbase that own a Falcon BPO or a Sabre BPO. 1%? 0.1%? Less? That's a pretty small number huh? How is that fair to the 99.9% of the rest of the userbase? Who told you that something in EVE is "fair". Or at least define "fair". Maybe less than 0,01% of eve populace got officer spawn - i didnt. Or maybe even less flown titan - i didnt. And i will prolly never be able to do so. If you say that i can "join alliance, get skills, get myself titan blahblahblah" i can easily say "buy yourself a t2 BPO". Quote: You have two choices, it's very simple: [list=1] Make additional T2 BPOs available to the general populace through some means of hard work. Again returning to my previous point: you are either stupid or clueless. You CAN GET t2 BPO BY MEANS OF HARD WORK. Happy? And if you are blind ask someone to read that for you. Hard work = get 10-30-50bil isk and BUY t2 BPO. Noone stops you. And if you offer 2-5x the value of BPO you will probably get it. And for your info: falcon BPOs changed hands MANY times - especially when "falcon sucked". Why you didnt buy it then when price was low? It sucked? Tough luck - it got boosted, doesnt suck anymore, BPO price went up. Same for sabre - there were multiple sell orders for sabre BPO at the time. Quote: If CCP want to claim people can make anything they like of themselves in this universe, then they can't have little elitist circlejerks like limited T2 BPOs, I mean we all remember how that has been abused in the past, don't we? I wanted to give you my t2 BPO for free but that would make you an "eliteist" so ill better save your little soul. BPO just went back to its can. EDIT: also - for your info: auction from: 2008.03.17 Sabre Interdictor BPO ME10 PE5 Auction Ends: 21st March, 18:00 EVE Time Starting Bid: 10Bil Reserve: Hidden until met Increments: 250mil Buyout: 27.5bil (wow only 27,5b - cheaper than my 30b i said).
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 04:12:00 - [72] As long as T2 bpos stay in the game, people will continue complaining. And rightfully so. Rarely are money printing machines that run endlessly given out by lotteries, and this does have a reason, you know...
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.11 04:19:00 - [73] Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 10/05/2008 16:05:06 Originally by: Zor Chayne Originally by: Deva Blackfire "Hi i bought my new t2 BPO for 10bil isk yesterday. I made total zero ISK till today and now you removed my BPO. Where is my compensation?" To sum up - you are either stupid or totally clueless. Or both at the same time. You are unbelievably narrow minded. If you want to play the fairness-by-numbers game, give me the percentage of the Eve userbase that own a Falcon BPO or a Sabre BPO. 1%? 0.1%? Less? That's a pretty small number huh? How is that fair to the 99.9% of the rest of the userbase? These threads are full of people complaining that things aren't handed to them on a plate, and T2 BPO owners that just bftch at the complainers. You have two choices, it's very simple: Make additional T2 BPOs available to the general populace through some means of hard work. Level the playing field by making all T2 BPOs BPCs and moving all T2 production to invention only. If CCP want to claim people can make anything they like of themselves in this universe, then they can't have little elitist circlejerks like limited T2 BPOs, I mean we all remember how that has been abused in the past, don't we? So what? just because we are relatively few in number they should punish us? Are we not players too? Should we delete all accounts with 90m+ skillpoints? Should we find out where all T2 BPO owners live, round them up into camps and... You get the picture. Why don't you just come out and say you hate minorities. You're not being punished. Rebalancing happens all the time in games. If you bought a T2 BPO since invention came out for a ridiculous sum that's your fault. The writing was on the wall when it came out, they realized that the method they had been using was flawed and needed to be replaced. It is time to take the next logical step and remove the remaining T2 BPOs from the game. (Just convert them to max run BPCs, much like the old infinite BPCs were converted.) The primary reason I feel they haven't done this is to many developers have a vested interest in the t2 BPOs. That is they belong to corporations or alliances that own a significant number and thus don't want to have to compete themselves with the rest of the EVE population.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.11 05:07:00 - [74] Originally by: El'Niaga You're not being punished. Rebalancing happens all the time in games. If you bought a T2 BPO since invention came out for a ridiculous sum that's your fault. The writing was on the wall when it came out, they realized that the method they had been using was flawed and needed to be replaced. It is time to take the next logical step and remove the remaining T2 BPOs from the game. (Just convert them to max run BPCs, much like the old infinite BPCs were converted.) The primary reason I feel they haven't done this is to many developers have a vested interest in the t2 BPOs. That is they belong to corporations or alliances that own a significant number and thus don't want to have to compete themselves with the rest of the EVE population. Cute pubbie. Isk sent.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.11 06:09:00 - [75] TBH arguments over T2 BPOs really irk me, and this is mainly because of the main train of thought leading to the conclusion that they need to be removed: The lottery was an unfair, ridiculous way to dispense such isk printing machines. This much is true. However, there is absolutely no way in hell you could possibly argue fairness in this debate without being a hypocrite. Eve is either meant to be fair or it isn't. If it is then removing BPOs from the people who spent 10s of billions of isk on them would be unfair, so you should not remove the TII BPOs. If it isn't then it doesn't matter that they have the BPOs in the first place. I find it irritating that people complain so much about tech II BPOs. Most of the people who have them now got them by buying them, for ridiculous prices, and quite frankly just because you can't be bothered to amass the 30bil for a HAC BPO does not, in any way, prove that they are unbalanced. Their introduction into the game was flawed, but right now they're so ridiculously expensive that the isk that they print out is in no way overkill. A couple hundred mil and a couple lvl 4s can get you into invention, it take billions upon billions of isk to get a TII BPO, why the hell should profit margins be the same for the 2? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.11 06:49:00 - [76] Originally by: Cambarus TBH arguments over T2 BPOs really irk me, and this is mainly because of the main train of thought leading to the conclusion that they need to be removed: The lottery was an unfair, ridiculous way to dispense such isk printing machines. This much is true. However, there is absolutely no way in hell you could possibly argue fairness in this debate without being a hypocrite. Eve is either meant to be fair or it isn't. If it is then removing BPOs from the people who spent 10s of billions of isk on them would be unfair, so you should not remove the TII BPOs. If it isn't then it doesn't matter that they have the BPOs in the first place. I find it irritating that people complain so much about tech II BPOs. Most of the people who have them now got them by buying them, for ridiculous prices, and quite frankly just because you can't be bothered to amass the 30bil for a HAC BPO does not, in any way, prove that they are unbalanced. Their introduction into the game was flawed, but right now they're so ridiculously expensive that the isk that they print out is in no way overkill. A couple hundred mil and a couple lvl 4s can get you into invention, it take billions upon billions of isk to get a TII BPO, why the hell should profit margins be the same for the 2? Translate in a easy economic language: You spend the 300-400K dollars to start a mom and pop grocery you get several 10 of thousand dollars/month You spend several hundred millions dollars to start a WalMart like chain of food supermarkets, you gain teens of millions every month.
Smilla Snow	Posted - 2008.05.11 10:33:00 - [77] Originally by: Frug Someone give him a t2 missile bpo to make him feel better. LLOOOLL
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.05.11 10:57:00 - [78] T2 BPOs: Not worth whining about, and worth even less to what they're actually selling for. Content consigned to the "Collectors items" bin unless something practical is done, which is either: A) Seeding them. B) Removing them. Unless that happens, useless pieces of content. Improve Market Competition!
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:02:00 - [79] Originally by: Cambarus The lottery was an unfair, ridiculous way to dispense such isk printing machines. This much is true. Yup. Originally by: Cambarus However, there is absolutely no way in hell you could possibly argue fairness in this debate without being a hypocrite. Eve is either meant to be fair or it isn't. If it is then removing BPOs from the people who spent 10s of billions of isk on them would be unfair, so you should not remove the TII BPOs. Going by that reasoning all kind of balancing of modules and ships or anything else in EVE should not be done. People invest time and isk in getting skills up for whatever, then it gets nerfed. Happens all the time. Often without any warning, and as far as I remember always without compensation.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:09:00 - [80] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Cambarus The lottery was an unfair, ridiculous way to dispense such isk printing machines. This much is true. Yup. Originally by: Cambarus However, there is absolutely no way in hell you could possibly argue fairness in this debate without being a hypocrite. Eve is either meant to be fair or it isn't. If it is then removing BPOs from the people who spent 10s of billions of isk on them would be unfair, so you should not remove the TII BPOs. Going by that reasoning all kind of balancing of modules and ships or anything else in EVE should not be done. People invest time and isk in getting skills up for whatever, then it gets nerfed. Happens all the time. Often without any warning, and as far as I remember always without compensation. Removing (and changing to BPC is a way to remove them) is not the same thing as modifying a module/ship. Your argument will hold water if to re-balance the carries they had been removed from the game. You can find an example of player possession that has been removed from the game to rebalance? Or you are still playing the hypocrite game of "removing is the same thing as rebalancing when I don't own the item"?
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:10:00 - [81] Edited by: Soulita on 11/05/2008 11:13:16 Edited by: Soulita on 11/05/2008 11:10:33 Originally by: Venkul Mul You can find an example of player possession that has been removed from the game to rebalance? Or you are still playing the hypocrite game of "removing is the same thing as rebalancing when I don't own the item"? Mines. Snowballs - they melted
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.11 12:33:00 - [82] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Venkul Mul You can find an example of player possession that has been removed from the game to rebalance? Or you are still playing the hypocrite game of "removing is the same thing as rebalancing when I don't own the item"? Mines. Snowballs - they melted Oh, and most importantly the infinte run BPCs. If I did own a t2 bpo, I would still be of the opinion that they need to be removed. Though I must admit I am not sure if I would publicly state that opinion. Respect to Natsuki for doing that. Shows courage. Mines - still in the hangars, they are still sold (contracts), use was stopped, from what I have read they can even be produced from the old BP. Snowballs - now they are water so not removed Infinite run BPC - first the production of infinite copy was stopped, then, after some time, the infinite copy were turned to max run copies, but the copies per se weren't removed and the capacity of producing copies wasn't removed. The item BPC wasn't removed from the game (but it is still the better example).
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:35:00 - [83] Originally by: El'Niaga The primary reason I feel they haven't done this is to many developers have a vested interest in the t2 BPOs. That is they belong to corporations or alliances that own a significant number and thus don't want to have to compete themselves with the rest of the EVE population. hmm yes, a developer conspiracy is the only reason they are still in the game. Try again, They are in the game to provide a steady, reliable supply of T2.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 20:50:00 - [84] Edited by: Soulita on 11/05/2008 20:51:09 Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Soulita Originally by: Venkul Mul You can find an example of player possession that has been removed from the game to rebalance? Or you are still playing the hypocrite game of "removing is the same thing as rebalancing when I don't own the item"? Mines. Snowballs - they melted Oh, and most importantly the infinte run BPCs. If I did own a t2 bpo, I would still be of the opinion that they need to be removed. Though I must admit I am not sure if I would publicly state that opinion. Respect to Natsuki for doing that. Shows courage. Mines - still in the hangars, they are still sold (contracts), use was stopped, from what I have read they can even be produced from the old BP. Snowballs - now they are water so not removed Infinite run BPC - first the production of infinite copy was stopped, then, after some time, the infinite copy were turned to max run copies, but the copies per se weren't removed and the capacity of producing copies wasn't removed. The item BPC wasn't removed from the game (but it is still the better example). Well ok, if you are just concerned about the removal of these bpos, would you feel better if CCP turned them into... say.. paperplanes or something like that? They would get a nice new icon, have no use, and stay in game... would that make you happy? Meh, getting silly, isnt it? There is good reasons for having t2 bpos expire, as has been said in this thread before. Of course most of those that have them, will not want this to happen, so they will continue to fight for them staying in game. In the end it is up to CCP.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Soulita There is good reasons for having t2 bpos expire, as has been said in this thread before. Of course most of those that have them, will not want this to happen, so they will continue to fight for them staying in game. name 3 different reasons? most of those who have them bought them with hard earned isk and didnt get them in a lottery -invention has removed any problems like price gouging with t2 bpos now go fly away because you dont even know how to earn 1 billion isk without grinding level 4s in a cnr Trashed sig, Shark was here
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:11:00 - [86] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Soulita There is good reasons for having t2 bpos expire, as has been said in this thread before. Of course most of those that have them, will not want this to happen, so they will continue to fight for them staying in game. name 3 different reasons? Read the thread?
SiJira	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:25:00 - [87] Originally by: Soulita Read the thread? Quote: most of those who have them bought them with hard earned isk and didnt get them in a lottery Quote: invention has removed any problems like price gouging with t2 bpos Trashed sig, Shark was here
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:38:00 - [88] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Soulita Read the thread? Quote: most of those who have them bought them with hard earned isk and didnt get them in a lottery Quote: invention has removed any problems like price gouging with t2 bpos Interesting to see that you only seem to read posts that support your opinion. But go ahead, keep looking for new goals for industrialists in EVE, like you do in this thread. Maybe you would not have so much trouble finding new goals to pulverize your billions if you let go of your isk printing machine? But no, thats unthinkable, now isnt it?
SiJira	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:39:00 - [89] Originally by: Soulita Maybe you would not have so much trouble finding new goals to pulverize your billions if you let go of your isk printing machine? But no, thats unthinkable, now isnt it? you are biased and too lazy do to invention that is all Trashed sig, Shark was here
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:46:00 - [90] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Soulita Maybe you would not have so much trouble finding new goals to pulverize your billions if you let go of your isk printing machine? But no, thats unthinkable, now isnt it? you are biased and too lazy do to invention ROFL. How about you? Open minded and would love to do invention? If you like invention so much, why do you like t2 bpos? Because they make earning isk with invention more of a challenge? Very sportsmanlike. I salute you.

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