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Jimmy Cliff Dawning Industries	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:33:00 - [1] When do CCP plan to let the T2 BPO's expire ? Or will invention always be stuck on those unrealistically good blueprints ? And if... IF CCP does decide to get them out of the game, how will they handle it ?
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:35:00 - [2] another week another "i whine because i dont have t2 bpo". You can buy them from owners and trash them if you dont like their existence.
Jimmy Cliff Dawning Industries	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Jimmy Cliff on 09/05/2008 22:40:40 I don't want the bpo's... I can manage inventing stuff... but on your point, those lucky enough to win in the T2-lottery have an unfair advantage on those that actually work hard in-game. Besides, I think it's an honest question asked... hear-say has had rumors running for a long while now, so I suppose it's only fair to get those rumors on the table.
Shakuul Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Deva Blackfire another week another "i whine because i dont have t2 bpo". You can buy them from owners and trash them if you dont like their existence. ^^ Also, as the population of EVE increases, T2 BPOs will account for a tinier and tinier fraction of T2 production. As a result, in the absence of "I'm going to sell below cost because manufacturing is fun" people, it shouldn't hurt invention profitability. For the mods that T2 BPOs do affect (like some types of ammo that nobody buys so the T2 BPOs aren't really worth having), people don't use them much so they are often quite affordable (<500mil).
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:40:00 - [5] The only comparable historical precedent was the change to blueprint copies, more than 2 years ago. Originally, a blueprint copy was not limited to a finite number of runs - the only difference between a copy and an original blueprint was that you couldn't copy or do research on a copy. All such copies were replaced with max-run BPCs of the current format. I expect there are quite a few BPCs still lingering around from that era. This has led many people to speculate that that same thing will happen to T2 BPOs. I doubt that the old copies were ever anything like as valuable as some T2 BPOs are, though, so I would be quite surprised if the same thing ever happened to them. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Lone Gunman	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:46:00 - [6] There was a recent post by a GM that stated that there was no imminent plan to Remove/Modify Tech 2 BPO's. With that said at one time it was possible to make an unlimited run BPC's at the current ME/PE of the Blue Print Original and I was lucky to acquire a Unlimited run 3 ME BPC of a ME Scorpion before copies became limited run. They eventually nurfed those to be limited to 200 runs.
Tek'a Rain Gallente Collegium Mechanicae Holding	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Jimmy Cliff ..those lucky enough to win.. Problem here. Most T2 BPOs, the ones worth anything and Expecially the older ones, are Not in the hands of the original owners. They are heavy investments, often corp-level, slow to pay off and require huge logistical trains to be worth anything at all. How would you feel to buy a BPO (as a handful of even 'good' ones are sold all the time) only to have it massively nerfed the very next day, preventing you from ever recouping your expense? Furthermore, on some t2 items, the heavily researched blueprints are the only economical way to manufacture the goods at an acceptable price.. or would you rather small t2 drones were almost impossible to find, same with ammo, some turrets, various fitting that all cost more to invent then people will pay. T2 prints are not an "isk fountain", they are not cheating, not unfair and they are certainly not wrecking the market any more, so why change a working system?
Grarr Dexx Amarr Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:53:00 - [8] Life's not fair bud, live with it
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:55:00 - [9] Someone give him a t2 missile bpo to make him feel better. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Ulfgar Rumnarn	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:57:00 - [10] I agree with everyone else. T2 BPO owners are going to sell as high as they can to help pay off thier massive investment. So they will sell JUST under the T2 inventors. Now that would be a problem for the inventors except the time it takes to manufacture T2 items is a long time and there is WAAAY more demand then the BPO's supply. So the inventors are reaping profits from picking up all the rest. Therefore, the supply/demand prices are still pretty much set by the inventors and not the BPO holders. Getting rid of competition would be nice, but it isn't fair to those people that spent massive amounts of capital to get ahold of a T2 BPO. I am not a T2 BPO owner, but my corp does do lots of invention. We do fine. We make ISK. It's a fairly balanced setup.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 09/05/2008 22:58:27 Quote: Someone give him a t2 missile bpo to make him feel better. you think HAM rage / rocket rage will be enough? or maybe just drop him some gleam S BPO? the MOST used ammo in game for MOST USED weapon type i'd guess...
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:58:00 - [12] why do you think they should expire? the main problem with them was solved by invention, so why do you still want to see them put out of the game? guide to game time codes
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:59:00 - [13] Quite a few 0.0 alliances, that have large T2 BPO collections, use most of their production internaly. Excess of lower demand items makes it way to the open market but alot of the good stuff is kept "in house". Meanwhile...The inventers spend alot of effort screwing eachother over on the open market. This I don't mind one bit since I'm a buyer.
Heated Don	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:00:00 - [14] they are expiring a week on thursday.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Jimmy Cliff When do CCP plan to let the T2 BPO's expire ? Or will invention always be stuck on those unrealistically good blueprints ? And if... IF CCP does decide to get them out of the game, how will they handle it ? im a hard core inventor and i wouldnt want the t2 bpos removed... EVER. and most of the T2 BPOs are not owned by the winners anymore... they have been sold. would you want your 20bil investment pulled out of your hands because a noob cant have one ? inventions great... i make tons of isk off it and im happy. the T2 BPOs are not even close to as proffitable as invention is. lets see... i can make around 10 BPC every 1h and 15 minz.... takes me 2x long to build the item (-4 pe) so what... i can build 5 times as many modules as the bpo owner can in the same time frame. i put out well over 2000 modules every week... only a few t2 BPO owners can do that.. as they just dont have that many of them ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:19:00 - [16] Most if not all our BPOs are in research as it's just not profitable enough at the moment to build anything given the current prices of advanced materials. Why then are they a threat to you? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:37:00 - [17] T2 BPOs. Let it go...
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Soulita T2 BPOs. Let it go... So much, what is it the cool kids call it, failsauce? Emo muzak, fairytale analogy way off the mark and lack of understanding that the game itself would be better suited with more tech II BPOs not less. 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 BPCs to forever grind them. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:03:00 - [19] Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:03:21 Let me start by saying I got a falcon bpo. they should have never existed to begin with. but ccp never did a lot of things right to begin with. and if they ever do turn t2 bpos to bpc, they need to do it without advance warning. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Natsuki Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:03:21 Let me start by saying I got a falcon bpo. they should have never existed to begin with. but ccp never did a lot of things right to begin with. and if they ever do turn t2 bpos to bpc, they need to do it without advance warning. As when they turn all supercaps into frigates? Oh yes I forgot, it's only cool if stuff explodes alot. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:06:28 Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Natsuki Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:03:21 Let me start by saying I got a falcon bpo. they should have never existed to begin with. but ccp never did a lot of things right to begin with. and if they ever do turn t2 bpos to bpc, they need to do it without advance warning. As when they turn all supercaps into frigates? Oh yes I forgot, it's only cool if stuff explodes alot. supercaps take effort to acquire. t2 bpos required no effort aside from clicking a button and luck. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:08:00 - [22] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 10/05/2008 00:09:12 Originally by: Natsuki Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:06:28 Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Natsuki Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:03:21 Let me start by saying I got a falcon bpo. they should have never existed to begin with. but ccp never did a lot of things right to begin with. and if they ever do turn t2 bpos to bpc, they need to do it without advance warning. As when they turn all supercaps into frigates? Oh yes I forgot, it's only cool if stuff explodes alot. supercaps take effort to acquire. t2 bpos required no effort aside from clicking a button and luck. Clicking many buttons and banding together in an as large a group as possible? I see no more validity in that, frankly if in a large enough group luck isn't even a factor anymore, the outcome is a certainty. I'll take luck any day over that. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:09:00 - [23] tbh tho, I don't think even invention was done right, as it has no logical way of proceeding to Tech 3. You can only invent t2 bpcs from T1 bpos, thus you would need a t2 bpo to invent a t3 bpc. what about t4? God so much in this game is done completely wrong and makes no sense. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Clicking many buttons and banding together in an as large a group as possible? I see no more validity in that, frankly if in a large enough group luck isn't even a factor anymore, the outcome is a certainty. I'll take luck any day over that. oh don't gimme that ****. you know exactly what I am saying and you just refuse to admit the logic of what I say. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Natsuki Originally by: Danton Marcellus Clicking many buttons and banding together in an as large a group as possible? I see no more validity in that, frankly if in a large enough group luck isn't even a factor anymore, the outcome is a certainty. I'll take luck any day over that. oh don't gimme that ***. you know exactly what I am saying and you just refuse to admit the logic of what I say. I see no logic in what you're saying, I see someone who feels their playstyle should be catered to and yes I have BPOs, I'd like them all in fact as I'm a collector but no, I don't have any of the really profitable ones, past, present or future. Killing many peoples investments and perhaps even corporate identities so you can get what you feel is the cheapest possible ship to blow up is some very destructive influence indeed, I suggest you stick to what you do and let people with well-rounded thought out ideas deal with the 'tech II problem'. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!* Also Known As
ghost st	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:15:00 - [26] T2 bpos give an unfair advantage, that is why they need to go. I don think they should be removed outright. But i do think at some point in time they should no longer be able to switch hands, make it so that at some point in time they cannot be contracted or traded. And leave it at that. The current owners will have time to make their buck off of them, and from there we can have a timetable for any nerfage, if its needed.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:17:00 - [27] Originally by: ghost st T2 bpos give an unfair advantage, that is why they need to go. I don think they should be removed outright. But i do think at some point in time they should no longer be able to switch hands, make it so that at some point in time they cannot be contracted or traded. And leave it at that. The current owners will have time to make their buck off of them, and from there we can have a timetable for any nerfage, if its needed. Where did it state on the box EVE was about fair? There's a constellation called Heaven, that's as close to that utopia you'll ever come. There's a reason there's a 'fair' in fairy. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:23:27 Originally by: Danton Marcellus I see no logic in what you're saying, I see someone who feels their playstyle should be catered to and yes I have BPOs, I'd like them all in fact as I'm a collector but no, I don't have any of the really profitable ones, past, present or future. Killing many peoples investments and perhaps even corporate identities so you can get what you feel is the cheapest possible ship to blow up is some very destructive influence indeed, I suggest you stick to what you do and let people with well-rounded thought out ideas deal with the 'tech II problem'. you read what I said completely wrong. first: this 2nd: I said ccp SHOULD HAVE never out t2 bpos in the first place. now that they are here, everything as far as invention is screwed up, and I don't see a good or logical way to fix things except for turning all t2 bpos to bcps. Everyone that has a t2 bpo or conglomerates that have many have made back their investments hundreds of times over by now. there is no reason anyone should have that kind of easy money. Making all T2 and higher construction REQUIRE invention would have little effect on the t2 conglomerates, they would simply do more invention. in fact it would probably help out a lot of people in the entire economy. I think t2 invention should require more items (all at a lower cost), which come from many areas and jobs in eve so that it reaches every part of the economy, from noobs, to explorers in 0.0. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:26:00 - [29] Shortsighted, why not seed more tech II BPOs as very successful invention jobs to saturate the market while rolling in tech III? This allowing tech II, now plentiful and in steady supply to fuel the tech III builds as a requirement as all inventors shift their research over to tech III for profit and the dream that they one day may invent that tech III BPO then later used to supply tech IV... Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Natsuki Edited by: Natsuki on 10/05/2008 00:28:52 Originally by: Danton Marcellus Shortsighted, why not seed more tech II BPOs as very successful invention jobs to saturate the market while rolling in tech III? This allowing tech II, now plentiful and in steady supply to fuel the tech III builds as a requirement as all inventors shift their research over to tech III for profit and the dream that they one day may invent that tech III BPO then later used to supply tech IV... the only logical way to go about this is to make inventing t3 a very tedious job requiring many EXTREMELY rare items... seems like it would be more looking for a pin made of gold in the haystack of 0.0. not "real" research, just item hunting like most other MMOs, and T2 invention as it is now. CCP needs to come up with something new for inventing T3, rather than just item collecting. I don't see why tech III would have to have a very novel approach in any way, that being said I do think the whole research process could be made a lot more interesting, with minigames. Dare I say even Ambulation minigames... Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As

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