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Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.14 03:50:00 - [1] I've been watching the "current user online" (CUO) graph for a while now [->ALLTIME], and last weeks it doesn't look good. Seems like after a more or less constant growth over 5 years the CUO-number didn't increase since the beginning of the year. In the last 2 months it constantly decreased - the largest decrease so far in 5 years. And dosn't look like the decrease is going to stop, i think it will get even worse after next week (with the release of another heavyweight mmo). So what's the reason behind it ? My personal guess is that suicide-ganking is taking it's toll, but that's only an opinion, based on small-scale observation. Others have been blaming the weather (high temperatures = less people staying at home in front of the pc), but if you look at spring/summer 2007, there wasn't such a decrease, and in 2006 the CUO-number had a solid growth during that time period, so the weather can't be the only reason for such a negative effect. What else can be the reason ? And what can we expect after 20/23.5 ? I hope the devblog on thursday and the testserver-event on 24.5. will show, that Faction Warfare is going to be as good as everyone expects it to be and will get people back to EVE. Would be sad to see the CUO-development of the last 2 months becoming a longterm-trend, initiating the dawn of EVE.
Aussie Tank Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.14 03:55:00 - [2] Much time on your hands? and whats this new MMO your fearing? . Aussie Storm, Carebear, 2.0bill - SOLD Aussie Hunter, Carebear, 1.5bill - SOLD Aussie Tank, PvP, ?? - TRAINING
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:13:00 - [3] Saturation of the playerbase coupled with people bieng busy with exams and wrapping up projects at work, before the summer holiday. It's fairly common, in my experience, that here around summertime, that eve is extremely boring, in terms of how many are online.
Fivel Ve Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:40:00 - [4] goons lost the war and stopped loggin on? ship setups
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:45:00 - [5] It can be a great mix of things. If you look at the activity levels each-year, there is a pattern which is correspondent to school and work schedules. Work schedules may be effecting things largely right now. The economy in the world may also be a major contributor, in the US in particular. It's possible a lot of American players are being forced to work more because of gas prices and especially food costs, the cost to live has gone up so much in the US compared to what it was before. The economy is also having a really bad impact on housing; I have a friend of the family temporarily staying in my house as I speak because he went broke, he used to be involved in that line of work, thought while he had other problems with his family going on, it was the economy that allowed him to go over the edge in a time of his life he normally would of worked his way through. A new expansion is upcoming and grade-schools will be going into vacation mode soon. You can expect to see online populations going back up to a degree, though it may not be very sharp due to work schedules and economy though. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Fivel Ve goons lost the war and stopped loggin on? I was thinking the same thing. And good riddance personally. _________ Dynamic Maps
cal nereus Koshaku Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:47:00 - [7] Edited by: cal nereus on 14/05/2008 04:48:52 What's the other heavyweight MMO? There's been a lot of turbulence in some parts of 0.0 lately, and two major powerhouses (Triumvirate and Mercenary Coalition) have called it quits. Many other alliances are feeling the effects of a shift in Eve's balance of power. 'Course, in-game reasons can explain only so much. RL stuff is probably accounting for a big portion too. For anyone going to a semester-system college in the United States, now is probably the time to be studying for final exams. And as others mentioned, the economy in both Europe and the United States isn't fairing well. I assume many players are consolidating their characters to less accounts (maybe even just one) to save money. 3 month's subscription is roughly equal to one stop at the gas station, and gas prices are murder now. Still, I can't account for the steady decrease over the last two months. As you mentioned before, the same time period last year didn't see this decrease. Growth is determined both by numbers of players not playing as much and also by how many new players join the game. It would be interesting to compare how many new players are joining the game now as opposed to exactly one year ago. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 14/05/2008 04:55:05 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I've been watching the "current user online" (CUO) graph for a while now [->ALLTIME], and last weeks it doesn't look good. Seems like after a more or less constant growth over 5 years the CUO-number didn't increase since the beginning of the year. In the last 2 months it constantly decreased - the largest decrease so far in 5 years. And dosn't look like the decrease is going to stop, i think it will get even worse after next week (with the release of another heavyweight mmo). So what's the reason behind it ? My personal guess is that suicide-ganking is taking it's toll, but that's only an opinion, based on small-scale observation. Others have been blaming the weather (high temperatures = less people staying at home in front of the pc), but if you look at spring/summer 2007, there wasn't such a decrease, and in 2006 the CUO-number had a solid growth during that time period, so the weather can't be the only reason for such a negative effect. What else can be the reason ? And what can we expect after 20/23.5 ? I hope the devblog on thursday and the testserver-event on 24.5. will show, that Faction Warfare is going to be as good as everyone expects it to be and will get people back to EVE. Would be sad to see the CUO-development of the last 2 months becoming a longterm-trend, initiating the dawn of EVE. These posts come up every single year for as long I have been here now, which is close to 3 years. Each time the numbes have fallen near summer time, only to rise when authumn approaches. Also, I have seen the number arises later now, seeing like 34k+ people online like at 12am at night gmt (norwegian) time. As said. people want to stay outdoors. I know I do. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:13:00 - [9] This is a typical slow period. It is generally slow around finals. However as some other posters pointed out there could be mitigating circumstances which is making the problem more pronounced. TRI and MC collapse is probably causing some to take a break, some of them will return I'm sure, others may not. As pointed out also especially in the US food/gas prices have risen greatly since the start of the year and it might be that those who typically don't have much money are finding it hard to pay for subscriptions. (This could mean we'll not see some of these college students return). EVE also has been out for 5 years. The stream of new people into the game has been sputtering for some time. New accounts that stay more than 90 days seem to be rarer these days as well. Overall EVE might be passing into its mid life crises, though it'll take several months for us to see. If higher food/gas prices are the culprit you'll see a drop off in all MMOs though and not just EVE.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:17:00 - [10] R.I.P. EVE I guess. You are right, this is 100% because of suicide ganking, that is what has killed EVE. I wonder if they will give us a discount to play Age of Conan or something, I mean what will we do all day now that EVE is dead?

El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:25:00 - [11] I don't think it'll be the end of EVE, however if the economic woes continue it could mean a downturn. Personally I think CCP is putting most of their effort into developing WoD hence the lack of communication after years of good communication we've had recently. (Though we are promised dev blogs for Empyrean age soon).
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaal Erit R.I.P. EVE I guess. You are right, this is 100% because of suicide ganking, that is what has killed EVE. I wonder if they will give us a discount to play Age of Conan or something, I mean what will we do all day now that EVE is dead? CRY CRY! I lost my CNR to a suicide gank, I'm canceling my 50 accounts! _________ Dynamic Maps
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:34:00 - [13] We're actually getting a summer in the UK this year. It's been tough to pry myself away from the sunshine... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Wren Alterana Originally by: Vaal Erit R.I.P. EVE I guess. You are right, this is 100% because of suicide ganking, that is what has killed EVE. I wonder if they will give us a discount to play Age of Conan or something, I mean what will we do all day now that EVE is dead? CRY CRY! I lost my CNR to a suicide gank, I'm canceling my 50 accounts! No dude, EVE is dead. Someone made a post. On the forums. On the internet. It's over.
Fivel Ve Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:48:00 - [15] If the economy is down you would think that there wouldn't be so many game time codes on sale right now. In fact there are lots but demand is quite lacking. ship setups
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.14 05:52:00 - [16] This is certainly more than the usual summer downturn, EVE usually stops growing at best when that comes around. Whether it's a bump or it means EVE has peaked remains to be seen however. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
Suey Ruthless Military Midgets	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:06:00 - [17] Edited by: Suey on 14/05/2008 06:06:07 I know that myself and lots of old buddys are starting to getting tired. (this is a alt, I let my other chars exprire for a break atm). playing for 2+ years u had lots of fun ect, but the funny time from growing from a noob and learning to fly bigger ship and pvp ect just never gets the same anymore. for 1 year ago my goal was to get a capital and be in cap fights. and now Im done that. after that I dunno what to do. whats the next goal after that? titan is ofc the obiuos goal. but then again. do I rly want a titan? cheers. also Age of Conan just got realsed. know lots of buddys that gonna test that out.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:14:00 - [18] High temps mean more people online. pretty much once you start hitting 80+deg (thats in F, not C of course) in the temperate climates people start to say screw the beach and hello Air Conditioning and cable modem.
Buyerr	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:14:00 - [19] what did you exspect? i mean seriously... people complain about something for month upon month and the answer they get it "go fck yourself and leave the game if you don't like it!"... with such an attitude towards your playerbase it is only a matter of time before people give up and say "fck this". and as you say there are comming a LOT of heavy mmo's out these next couple of month so a lot of people will be changing, and it will get even worse in around 3-4 month where there are a few "must try" mmo's comming out. and with there attitude and "we don't give a ****, you should be able to harash people in eve as much as you see fit" it ain't many gamers besides the people doing the harasment that will be hanging around (sure the subscribtions will stay a while due to the SP system, but if the subscription is cancelled it means that it is final and people have found something where they actually care for the wishes of the players and not for the wishes of a few griefers who do nothing but detroy the fun for a LOT of players and annoy whoever comes by. I declare war on stupidity
Mazakura Republic University	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Fivel Ve goons lost the war and stopped loggin on? Umm what are you smoking cause I want some. Last I checked the goons have twice as much space as BoB. Also they are the only ones in the entire game with enough balls to take on an alliance with 12+ titans and the most capitals in the entire game. So please join the bandwagon about which it seems you know nothing about.

Buyerr	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:18:00 - [21] Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 14/05/2008 04:48:52 What's the other heavyweight MMO? age of conan (open beta right now) warhammer online comming in a few month, aion in a few month and properly some others i haven't been looking at ^^ (ow yer and stargate evolution(think it is called) will come soon which could hit hard for eve since it is in the same genre) I declare war on stupidity
Futtbucker	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:28:00 - [22] Edited by: Futtbucker on 14/05/2008 06:28:53 Originally by: Amastat It can be a great mix of things. If you look at the activity levels each-year, there is a pattern which is correspondent to school and work schedules. Work schedules may be effecting things largely right now. The economy in the world may also be a major contributor, in the US in particular. It's possible a lot of American players are being forced to work more because of gas prices and especially food costs, the cost to live has gone up so much in the US compared to what it was before. The economy is also having a really bad impact on housing; I have a friend of the family temporarily staying in my house as I speak because he went broke, he used to be involved in that line of work, thought while he had other problems with his family going on, it was the economy that allowed him to go over the edge in a time of his life he normally would of worked his way through. A new expansion is upcoming and grade-schools will be going into vacation mode soon. You can expect to see online populations going back up to a degree, though it may not be very sharp due to work schedules and economy though. I blame the E(environmental) junkies on the rise in costs to live in the USA. The far left think they are so smart, but in reality they are idiots. Why shoot myself in my own foot?
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.05.14 06:45:00 - [23] Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 14/05/2008 06:49:08 As others have said Ill put part of it on final year exams cropping up. Plus its generally a busy part of the year with summer about to kick into gear. Think your worrying too much though OP. Real life usually is the biggest cause for these things in most MMO's. That or theres Age of Conan that just came out and has a big following. Plus i think star gate worlds is coming up to. Late this year and next is going to see a lot of new MMO games come out.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.14 07:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Futtbucker I blame the E(environmental) junkies on the rise in costs to live in the USA. The far left think they are so smart, but in reality they are idiots. Why shoot myself in my own foot? So that you stop kicking yourself. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Tzar'rim Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.14 07:37:00 - [25] Looking at those graphs it seems that it's more than just the summer/holiday woes, the decline is steeper and is lasting for longer than in the previous summers. I guess there are a number of reasons for it; - new MMO's coming out (personally I'm waiting for AoC) - RL economic issues like the US housemarket crash, cost of living (not only in the US), the 'recession feeling' - people getting bored with the game - people feeling that the game isn't going in the direction they want - members of big powerblocks who lose the urge to play since their goals won't be achieved - lots of people closing their 3nd/4rd/5th account as they figured they didn't use them as much after the power of 2 surge Again, the decline is much more than just "it's hot outside and we got exams". Does that mean the end of EVE? ofcourse not but laughing it away is just as stupid.
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.14 07:38:00 - [26] to the OP it's called summer, exams, nice weather in the UK, the ending of the power of two accounts [they have just run out]. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve 5th Anniversary Lottery
Achille Varzi Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.14 07:54:00 - [27] Don't forget that with the launch of Trinity and the Premium Client (not to mention greater marketing through steam) there has likely been a lot of people simply giving the game a few months trial and then deciding that its not for them. I do however, know several people who were introduced to the game in this way and are planning to stay.
Strong Chin	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Achille Varzi I do however, know several people who were introduced to the game in this way and are planning to stay. Including Strong Chin!
Lt Angus Caldari Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:29:00 - [29] Its called summer, hotest may for over 200 years Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Ortela Devereaux	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:32:00 - [30] Get yourself a temperature chart and compare it to this year's CUO chart... and maybe open the windows/leave the basement?

Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:39:00 - [31] suidide ganking isnt that big you just think it is since every carebear it happen to just so happenly post on these forums
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:40:00 - [32] Summer... and New MMOs... and many PPL came through Trials and Promotion in the last Month to EVE and some of them quit again after some Weeks... and yes, also for some ppl the Game goes in the wrong Direction... and Suicide Ganking? Yes, also that. I know some Missionrunners quitted Eve or are only logging on for Skilling cause they don't wanna loose their Factionfitted Ships or switch back to T2-Fitting with less Efficiency and Fun. Some of them are waiting and hoping that something changes in the Future. Let's wait and see how it all looks in the next Autumn.
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:50:00 - [33] Originally by: cal nereus [ There's been a lot of turbulence in some parts of 0.0 lately, and two major powerhouses (Triumvirate and Mercenary Coalition) have called it quits. Many other alliances are feeling the effects of a shift in Eve's balance of power. IMO it has nothing to do with the balance of power, there's just nothing exciting war-wise going on. Many people have been playing too much recently, being disappointed by lag/bugs/CCP withdrawing from the community (compared to the last years). Many players have reached their "EVE goals" (capital ships, whatever) and they don't have much to look forward to (the new "content" for older players, e.g. Marauders, Black ops is worthless). In other words, it's boring atm., there's nothing interesting to do, people are looking for new games / stuff to do in RL etc. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Mary Magdalene	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:56:00 - [34] Here in the UK the weather is fantastic and has been for 2 weeks or so now, This might not seem an important factor to those outside the UK but for us here its extremely important. This might be the only bit of summer we get , so everyone is outside
Manic Smile The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.14 08:59:00 - [35] Originally by: Futtbucker I blame the E(environmental) junkies on the rise in costs to live in the USA. The far left think they are so smart, but in reality they are idiots. Why shoot myself in my own foot? I hope you're a troll, because the value of the dollar didn't depreciate because of tree hugging. You just go on telling yourself "global warming is a lie" and driving your SUV while believing in 'biofuel'...
Amaron Ghant Caldari Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:04:00 - [36] People see new mmo's...people leave to give them a try....and most come back to eve...been there done that , would have bought the tshirt if i could have found one. meanwhile..less people = less lag so it's all good
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:09:00 - [37] The reason for lower logins? Finals week . Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO Vote Jade for CSM.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Manic Smile Originally by: Futtbucker I blame the E(environmental) junkies on the rise in costs to live in the USA. The far left think they are so smart, but in reality they are idiots. Why shoot myself in my own foot? I hope you're a troll, because the value of the dollar didn't depreciate because of tree hugging. You just go on telling yourself "global warming is a lie" and driving your SUV while believing in 'biofuel'... Biofuels don't work. At least not when you use corn to make the ethanol. That's why Brazil uses sugar cane. The recent mandates by the US congress to produce corn based ethanol is directly responsible for the price increases in corn in the US in the early part of this year. This has driven up the cost of many related items including pork and chicken which use corn as a feed. Several farmers also rather than planting wheat planted corn for the subsidies. Thus less wheat was raised causing wheat prices to rise. Then of course there are the congressional subsidies that pay farmers to grow nothing. (If you pay people to do nothing, they'll do nothing.) The amount of corn needed to produce enough ethanol to fill up the average SUV could feed a man for a year. Many scientist also do not believe global warming is man made. In fact April was the 11th coldest April on record. Even if the US stopped today using any oil it would make no appreciable difference as China and India would more than make up for the difference. For all of its lauding the movie An Inconvenient Truth misrepresented many facts and used stolen computer generated footage for some of its more spectacular shots. The goal of the movie was to cause fear. If Al Gore really cared about the environment he wouldn't have one of the top 1% polluting houses in America, and wouldn't use a personal jet to fly everywhere, he's a hypocrit. The problem in the US is a lack of long term planning by political leaders. They opt for short term solutions which create long term problems because they are more interested in being elected than in solving actual problems. They haven't built a refinery or opened an oil drill in 30 years. They keep telling their people that there is a short term fix, there isn't. A truly green technology like hydrogen fuel cells even if perfected tomorrow would take between 30 to 50 years to become cheap enough and pervasive enough to be in every US household. In addition it takes about 10 years to bring a new oil rig into operation and about the same amount of time to bring an oil refinery online. Longterm they have to drill in ANWAR and off their coastline (they are the only major industrial country that refuses to) while at the same time investing in technologies to replace oil. Oil will peter out in 40 to 60 years, and it will be hard for the Arab states to meet oil demand in 10 years.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Amaron Ghant People see new mmo's...people leave to give them a try....and most come back to eve...been there done that , would have bought the tshirt if i could have found one. meanwhile..less people = less lag so it's all good There is some truth to that, but I think the lower numbers are probably also part of a trend. In the first 3 years EVE devs communicated frequently with the playerbase. They kept them informed and there was a rapport with one another. In the 4th year communication was hurt deeply by various acts of some of the developers and GMs. Communication slowed. Through the 5th year communication in most instances seemed to grind to a halt. EVE's developer involvement was something that stirred up excitement in the population. As that has waned so to has interest. EVE's a long way from shutting down, but the golden years might be behind it.
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:29:00 - [40] Originally by: El'Niaga The recent mandates by the US congress to produce corn based ethanol is directly responsible for the price increases in corn in the US in the early part of this year. This has driven up the cost of many related items including pork and chicken which use corn as a feed. That's a huge lie, the producers are just using the misinformation to increase their prices. There are enough current studies showing that there is no direct connection between biofuel and food prices, it's all artificial. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...

BLAIYNE Shadow Play Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:40:00 - [41] Edited by: BLAIYNE on 14/05/2008 09:40:30 Originally by: cal nereus 3 month's subscription is roughly equal to one stop at the gas station, and gas prices are murder now. Not in the UK. In the UK diesel has just reached the equivalent of $8.86 for a US-sized gallon, so filling up my tank now costs ú70 (or $136). It's now so expensive I'm moving house nearer to work - assuming I can find anyone to buy my house, and assuming anyone will give me a mortgage to buy something at the other end. So on that basis I can understand why people are cutting back on things like monthly subscriptions.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:47:00 - [42] Personally I think Eve doesn't have enough suicide ganking, so I quit. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
BOldMan Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:57:00 - [43] Eve space has reach his limits. Expansions are not bringing new fun. Capitals are a must and time consuming. Fun in game is decreasing, because eve has become a crowed megacity.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:11:00 - [44] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: El'Niaga The recent mandates by the US congress to produce corn based ethanol is directly responsible for the price increases in corn in the US in the early part of this year. This has driven up the cost of many related items including pork and chicken which use corn as a feed. That's a huge lie, the producers are just using the misinformation to increase their prices. There are enough current studies showing that there is no direct connection between biofuel and food prices, it's all artificial. It's not a lie. Corn is the most inefficient crop to use for ethanol production. Certain members of the US congress chose the crop to satisfy their special interest donors (the corn growers). Not to mention ethanol is not as clean as they tell you, it might do better with carbon dioxide emissions but it does produce other greenhouse gases in larger amounts than oil does....
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:16:00 - [45] Exams and hot weather.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Would be sad to see the CUO-development of the last 2 months becoming a longterm-trend, initiating the dawn of EVE. Well on the bright side there should be a lag free golden age at some point. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
Waukesha Amarr Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:36:00 - [47] GTA 4
PeHD0M	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:55:00 - [48] 1. Education, Summer 2. pvp players are tired of lags, bugs, desink, improper ship balance. PoSes successfully killed small-gang pvp in 0.0, because target warp to pos and you cant kill it without large pos-killing blob, and that means hours of LAGS. Also cloaking\logooff\bacon stuff make pvpers die of borringness. When ccp removed static plexes from lowsec, it killed lowsec because now they are useless with current stupid exploration system (it realy suck. Waiting for hours without be able to do something to get "no signatures found" damn it!) 3. PvE players are bored, because EVE in general don't have any interesting things for them. There is no main goal.. first you get frigate, thet cruiser, battlecruiser, battleship, capital.. then you fly in them for sometime pointless and if you dont like pvp that means "game over". Storyline is just on paper.. not in game. 4. casual gamers don't like extreme death penalties in eve, because they dont have time and desire to recover from loss. 5. other new mmorpg
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:20:00 - [49] Edited by: omglollolol on 14/05/2008 11:20:33 I will play this game till the end. The game's end, my end, the world's end, end of time, or maybe till I get married and have kids and my sanity will ends haha,... I say whaaatEVEr... even if i'm the only one to fly amongst the stars, I'll do it! ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Johnny Gurkha Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:25:00 - [50] Not sure if this is a common problem but a few acquaintances of mine are leaving due to the way Eve is becoming (their words not mine), recent "nerfs" and "boosts" have annoyed quite a few people and the Trinity patch was pure fail. I'm quite happy paying and playing as normal despite patch issues I had (adapt/die/etc) but you cannot **** off a paying playbase too much without some "leakage" MCI Recruitment

Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:35:00 - [51] happens every year, nice weather ftl?
Jabezhane	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Mary Magdalene Here in the UK the weather is fantastic and has been for 2 weeks or so now, This might not seem an important factor to those outside the UK but for us here its extremely important. This might be the only bit of summer we get , so everyone is outside Yup same here, you know if you get two good weeks in May then that means the summer in the UK will suck. I'm hoping it will buck that trend though. I had to send a note out yesterday to my guys asking them to just say what they are up to as I havent seen some of them for nearly 3 weeks!! I lost my job a few months ago and havent been able to find work yet (seems employers want plankton rather then experienced IT folks) so I'm now considering even if I keep my two accounts going.
Dotard Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Futtbucker I blame the E(environmental) junkies on the rise in costs to live in the USA. The far left think they are so smart, but in reality they are idiots. Why shoot myself in my own foot? LOL! Ya! It's those damned Democrates! First they cause the cost of living to skyrocket then they kilt EvE! Vote Republican if you want to see EvE live on! --------------- Nerf You! Buff Me!
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:13:00 - [54] First off, OP is probably a dev from another MMO stokin a burned out fire but in all honesty jita still sucks, i log in to 30k+, and i occassionaly get a good fight, but the obvious needs to be restated GTA IV Lag, POS Sov, NAP alliance mechanics Possibly other MMOs (but these would need to be space based as i think alot of guys here are scinutjobs (me included ) for the combat oriented, GTA is a huge distraction especially since most people are sick of the huge blobs, tons o lag. Sov, POS's and Naptrains have killed the game for pilots who play for PVP. Current mechanics and server limitations make it impossible to fight outnumbered and with the increased in pilots, moar fail, moar larger blobs, less fun that buyerr guy complainnin about hi sec gankin is a joke
Le Jackal	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:26:00 - [55] It's none of the above reasons, It's me, I'm the reason..... had really bad wind resently when in space..... so simply put It's just the smell from my online-phartz.
Atreides Horza Caldari TALON'S GRIP Green Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:28:00 - [56] I find myself logging in less and less because of the way the game has changed tbh. Here's a few reasons for my increased absence: - Ships I used to specialize in flying have become nerfed to oblivion. - Ships I'd love to fly have no place in this game because of the general gameplay. - I have to risk 0.5b ships while my victims can logoffski, wield stabs, do logonski traps AND see me coming in local 50 AU's out. - Most of the victims I come across is 1-month old battleship pilots in oversized ships that Stevie Wonder could've fitted better, who are STILL earning more money on an hourly basis than I can from piracy. - PvP is pretty much dead in the water, unless you corner your victim(s) and force them to fight. - Virtually every corp claiming to do small scale warfare has turned into a merry band of blobby @sshats with e-p33n issues. - Every thread about fixing piracy/losec/etc into a more target rich environment ends up with the mandatory p33n-swinging @sshat who proudly proclaims solo piracy is alive and well although his last 100 or so kills was as the fastest locking f@g of a 50-man nanoblob or recon gang. - Smack has become mandatory and I find myself logging off in disgust and annoyance more often than wanting to play. - Eve-O has become rtard central, meaning I can't even go there for entertainment while my flashy @ss is being camped by the mandatory 50 docking range heroes, unless I become a nanof@g and fly said 0.5b ship and become part of the tendency that's been killing this game for me. And as if the humiliation of having my game dictated by a man-train of smacktalkers isn't enough, I now get the added pleasure of having to scroll through endless 'can I have your stuff'- and 'first in epic thread'-posts on these sad boards. - I can't hunt in losec, because I go flashy in a day after trying to get just one fight from the plethora of loggofski generals and stabwhres. Ratting my sec status is ofc possible, but it takes me the better part of a week having to eek my sec status back whilst having to endure endless smack from Igor's cloaked raven in some obscure language. - Being flashy, I spend most of the day in losec evading massive blobs and station camps in speed fits. - Hunting in 0.0 is viable, but you can do a good 100 jumps before finding some russian raven who's too busy to check local. Then you have to guess the belt (dont bother direction scanning or he'll be gone by the time you hit scan the second time), make the 50 AU warp to the right belt, pray for aggro before he logs off, be lucky enough to have found someone without stabs - and then maybe, just maybe, you get to shoot at an empty ship for 90 seconds, if he doesn't vanish in midair or the node doesn't crash when half of Kazakhstan logs on in response to one of his 15 alts crying his eyes out in alliance chat. Why you can't have my stuff? Because you suck for thinking that these pss-poor memes and smart quotes made you anything but an utter @rsehat. Why do I still play? Because of people. People I like to fly with - and the waning hope that the game will become even remotely interesting again some time in the future. As more and more of the people I fly with disappear, I find myself doing other things though. Fun things involving real people - and sometimes kittens and blowtorches. Maybe others feel like I do. Maybe they don't. Maybe it's spring, btches and mai-tais. Maybe it's work. I don't know. Is EVE dying? I don't know - and sadly, I've stopped caring tbh. To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace. - Tacitus
Grainsalt Free-Corp Foundation Liberty Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:34:00 - [57] Have you seen the weather recently? Its lovely out there, I havent played EVE for weeks. --- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=554257
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:43:00 - [58] EVE is dieing. Again. I'd rather say it's stagnating at worst. I expect it picks up again when the next content updates hit the servers. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:46:00 - [59] Are you looking at absolute values or percentages? Assuming the same "spring dropoff" percentage every year applied to an ever increasing number of players, the variation in absolute numbers is going to increase as well.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.14 12:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Atreides Horza stuff That's a really bitter post, but I can't say I disagree with the contents. Sad but true. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting

SirMolly	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:01:00 - [61] I don't like playing Capitals0nline.
Lothros Andastar Gallente The Beer Barons	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:15:00 - [62] to be honest if a 3rd of people just up'd and left it would be the greatest thing to happen to eve sincen they gave Jita it's own node
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:29:00 - [63] Originally by: El'Niaga Not to mention ethanol is not as clean as they tell you, it might do better with carbon dioxide emissions but it does produce other greenhouse gases in larger amounts than oil does.... Actually it burns very "clean". But ethanol does not magically appear. So the production methods used to make this ethanol is very important in calculating the potential drop in greenhouse gas emissions. Especially the energy sources used to distill the ethanol is important. You also have to consider that the CO2 produced from crops is already a part of the carbon cycle and as such will not contribute to an increase in greenhouse gases.
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:33:00 - [64] Edited by: omglollolol on 14/05/2008 15:33:22 Stop talking about reallife please, mkay? this is game not real life, the game might not be the best thing that has happened to you in your life, but be fxcking glad there's someone to nerf and boost and stuff the duck. In real life you hardly get anyone nerfing anything, while it could use some heavy nerfs here and there, till then and prolly till the end, real life sux, mkay? Instead of whining see good things... RL = sex, Game = you can't die, mkay? ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Mr Mozzie Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:42:00 - [65] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 14/05/2008 15:51:25 To the OP: You can not extrapolate a short term trend on a graph into the long term. It just doesn't work. Personally, I have high hopes for ambulation. I probably won't even be downloading the ambulation expansion, but I think it will add a lot of diversity to the eve-online community and that is a good thing.
Chomin H'ak The Trivenerate	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:47:00 - [66] Edited by: Chomin H''ak on 14/05/2008 15:49:28 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker These posts come up every single year for as long I have been here now, which is close to 3 years. Each time the numbes have fallen near summer time, only to rise when authumn approaches. Also, I have seen the number arises later now, seeing like 34k+ people online like at 12am at night gmt (norwegian) time. As said. people want to stay outdoors. I know I do. This. It's called Spring (for the Northern hemisphere, at least). I personally have more to do and am more encouraged to do these things because of the nice weather. The more people that are playing, the more you will notice that trend. During the month of June, you may notice a dramatic dip in the graph... that's cause Eve is dying... Edit: my quoting stinks
Archon T'orn	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Esmenet You also have to consider that the CO2 produced from crops is already a part of the carbon cycle and as such will not contribute to an increase in greenhouse gases. Uh... plants produce O2
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:58:00 - [68] if anything, i have experienced an increase in CUO over the past year. when i usually logon these days, there are more and more online. for a long time it was around 25k and now it is more like 30k. over 30k is no longer just on weekend afternoons, but just about every day during primetime. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Blood Daemon Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:59:00 - [69] Originally by: Malcanis We're actually getting a summer in the UK this year. It's been tough to pry myself away from the sunshine... QFMFT (quoted for mother f-ing truth) Last year we had what?? 2 week of summer if that... then it was rain/cold/storms/wind/rain/cold/storms/wind/winter Yup it jumped from spring to winter Now it's roasting!!! just hoping it keeps up with it.. because if it goes downhill, I might resort to another holiday ------------------ Originally by: Treelox CCP, keep your pimp hand strong!!!!
Mazakura Republic University	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:34:00 - [70] Originally by: SirMolly I don't like playing Capitals0nline. Me either, delete all cap ships imo. Make titans a movable station and that's it.

Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.14 20:36:00 - [71] Edited by: Leora Nomen on 14/05/2008 20:36:34 Originally by: Archon T'orn Originally by: Esmenet You also have to consider that the CO2 produced from crops is already a part of the carbon cycle and as such will not contribute to an increase in greenhouse gases. Uh... plants produce O2 They actually absorb O2 and give out CO2 at night because there's no light for them to do photosynthesis. So some respiration occurs because they still need some amount of chemical energy to keep alive. But overall you're right they are net consumers of CO2 and net producers of O2. guide to game time codes
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.14 20:55:00 - [72] "Its the economy stupid" as they say. And theres probably a element of truth in that. During periods of prosperity players will justify having 2, 3 maybe even more accounts - but ultimately they are a luxury: you can play eve without them. I wouldnt be suprised to see that the slow down is that new players arent purchasing second accounts at this stage (not being cap capable yet they probably dont need them). C. A new look at Local - IDEA
Dionisius Gallente The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:27:00 - [73] Personally i am just waiting for Warhammer Online to pop out. Then i will be a happy Witch hunter. :) _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:34:00 - [74] IIRC there was a huge recruitment drive by CCP during the last half of last year. CCP has stated that the average EVE player stays in the game for 7 months..... Coincidence? There're probably a lot of other factors too. For example, during the last 3 months, the political landscape of EVE has been roughed up quite a bit. For the players who only really logged in because of the social stuff in their corp/alliance, if that alliance breaks up, they may leave EVE completely (or at least for a while). It could also be that the ***-down on macro-miners and ISK-sellers has caused loads of them to stop... --- On a couple of RL things in this thread: Oil: Anyone following the oil market will know it can only go one way, up! Production has more or less peaked, consumption is higher than production, and is climbing. Goldman-Sachs has predicted a $200/barrel oil price within a relative short period, and after that it gets bad. My personal prediction is gas prices of about $6/gallon by the end of the year in the US (might happen sooner). Europe will be hit much less hard because a high part of our gas price is tax. Biofuel: While not very effective, they are effective in one way. They don't release CO2 that would otherwise be bound deep in the ground. Since there are way too many people on this planet as it is, having less food available is also a very good thing. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Lord Evangelian Gallente The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:39:00 - [75] Originally by: LaVista Vista Saturation of the playerbase coupled with people bieng busy with exams and wrapping up projects at work, before the summer holiday. It's fairly common, in my experience, that here around summertime, that eve is extremely boring, in terms of how many are online. This!!! -------------------- The White Mantle
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:44:00 - [76] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: El'Niaga The recent mandates by the US congress to produce corn based ethanol is directly responsible for the price increases in corn in the US in the early part of this year. This has driven up the cost of many related items including pork and chicken which use corn as a feed. That's a huge lie, the producers are just using the misinformation to increase their prices. There are enough current studies showing that there is no direct connection between biofuel and food prices, it's all artificial. It's not a lie. Corn is the most inefficient crop to use for ethanol production. Certain members of the US congress chose the crop to satisfy their special interest donors (the corn growers). Not to mention ethanol is not as clean as they tell you, it might do better with carbon dioxide emissions but it does produce other greenhouse gases in larger amounts than oil does.... In most rich parts of the world, unbelievable amounts of grain and other food are destroyed every year because of overproduction. Much of the stuff we produce is shipped with the government's (financial) backing to poor countries in order to prevent them from developing their own economy and local production. The grain/food prices in the US/EU have nothing at all to do with biofuel. As for how "green" it is, I don't know/don't care. I just wanted to point out that food producers are using it as a poor excuse to rip people off. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.14 21:52:00 - [77] As well as the stuff people have already mentioned, there's also all isk buyers/farmers getting the boot. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Malaan Tabfassh The Flowing Penguins	Posted - 2008.05.15 00:34:00 - [78] Personally I think, that beside the mentioned RL issues, it was the Trinity update: New graphics were an eyecatcher and many people subscribed, but for the new ones this graphics was not "new" and so they found just the normal game like we older ones know it and as not the whole universe got a graphical update and the addon lacked in content, this may be a reason for some people to not extend their accounts. Also there seem to be some nasty bugs that may harm the funfactor, like the messed up overview. Also there was this free account thing, when you pay for another one (can't remember its name atm). Think many of these free accounts were not extended.
Snaps	Posted - 2008.05.15 01:18:00 - [79] Edited by: Snaps on 15/05/2008 01:23:59 i think for some of our newer players they may be finding this game a bit over whelming for the first year or so.. i mean even a year in your still a wimp in eve terms. i think ccp needs too start mixing things up some. the new story line is a good start comming out soon..
Sloppy Podfarts	Posted - 2008.05.15 01:24:00 - [80] or you could just shut yer face instead

Snaps	Posted - 2008.05.15 01:30:00 - [81] Originally by: Sloppy Podfarts or you could just shut yer face instead after you come and do it..
Sloppy Podfarts	Posted - 2008.05.15 01:32:00 - [82] o snap(s)


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