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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 19/05/2008 05:57:39
Double post, kick the server.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Gunner Dark
Edit : I think his point is your using wow as a bad example of what MMO can become, yet oyu haven't even played a finished version.
I have actually triede it since then. I have a level 50 character somewhere, actually.
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 19/05/2008 06:06:19
I played WoW at release up to patch 1.9 - I left shortly after Battlegrounds were released and the droprates for armor sets sucked. This was when this was dishonor too.
You can imagine why I left and why Blizzard will never again see a dime of my money.
Anything beyond that, in terms of what I know, is from private servers.
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Gunner Dark
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
I have actually triede it since then. I have a level 50 character somewhere, actually.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
I haven't touched that since the early closed betas. 
you should really decide which one it is.
WoW is WoW, it was aimed at the outset to be a polished MMO by the numbers, that's not something you can ever call EVE.
But making a thread asking if people agree that EvE is being dumbed down just gets people backs up, most people are average, and threads like this only server to bring flames and make the OP look arogant.
If you think EvE is getting to easy, or isn't complex enough, you need to golrnmoar about MMO's
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:14:00 -
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I remember back in beta it was fun to try to get a battleship, they were rare, you couldn't just buy one.
and when you saw one in space you **** your pants and ran.
or you tried to take it down!
but battleships were also a lot more powerful in day.
SO sadly I guess it's just what happens in a mmo :(
for instance even with the silly high requirements, titans are becoming more and more common.
I mean even ratting was interesing, or in otherwords, forget mining just run in there with a miner one and an afterburner, mine somethign rare needed for battleships, and then run for the hills!
I honestly almost hoped they would make FW battleships only, no caps at all allowed in. And then made it so that you could buy new one of kind battleships form each faction, or some kind of enclosed econmy, which I know is agaisnt what eve is, but it would be fun if on day one all people could use in FW was frigates becuase you needed higher ranks to get bigger ships and such.
that would be cool, back to the good old days :P
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gunner Dark
you should really decide which one it is.
Yeah, it's a bit contradicting, actually.
I admit it. I played wow.
I played most of closed beta, and did played a bit on and off after then.
Maybe "touched" was a bit too big of a word. Let's just say I haven't played regularly since CB.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:24:00 -
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Ok, lets take this very, very slowly. Read my post, then refrain from commenting. Read my post again. Accept the facts and shrug your shoulders.
Your comment:
"CCP is blalantly[sic] ignoring the industry side of eve" -LaVista Vista
You did not define the "industry side of EVE" so I defined it. Or am I supposed to read your mind?
I mentioned MANY different ways how CCP has improved the industry side of EVE. Invention alone is a gigantic leap for the industry side of EVE and has been constantly tweaked. Remember not choosing what recon you would invent? Or the decryptors and other improvements that were made?
HOW THE HELL is that BLATANTLY IGNORING the industry side of EVE.
I specifically mentioned fuel rods/orca, because ***GASP*** CCP has been directly involved in both of those threads. Blatantly ignoring would mean that CCP would not give a single reply to anyone about industry and certainly wouldn't do things like publish a very good guide on setting up and managing a POS (or is that not industry as well?)
A good example of being blatantly ignored is the infamous Diablo II 1.10 patch. The blizzard devs said it would be out "soon" and then after 10 months of zero communication it was released.
Originally by: CCP Casqade
Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:40:00 -
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The things you mention are just ideas at present. I have seen Chronotis(Much love) post quite a bit indeed. But until I see a patch note which actually specifies these things, I'm not convinced.
As for the constant tweaking, just means they didn't get things right the first time. So they were forced to fix it, as it was obviously pretty broken.
But you are stretching my words really far. But you seem to think that just because some talk is going on, they aren't ignoring an issue.
You think that, just because a politician says "WE WANT TO MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER", everything is going to be better?
That is naive. Again, lets just stick to actions CCP has taken. You could start by reading my 2 PDF's about what is broken with the industry side of eve. That will define the scope of what I'm talking about, as well.
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Mother Drone
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:46:00 -
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Long time ago EVE startet as an ambitious project from a small garage company(CCP). It was ment for a small and somehow "special" playerbase - with success. A lot of new and shiny things were introduced the last few years and EVE is today far bigger than ever before. But EVE is becoming more and more ordinary ... step by step.
So what happened?
CCP realized the possibilities to earn big money simply by satisfying the masses - like WoW. New graphics instead of fixing lag or adding intelligent content (lvl 5 missions ... hint hint^^). At the beginning WoW was a better game than today (i guess even like EVE). Much smaller, far less available instances ... but providing more fun. It's not a secret that Blizzard earns over 9000 trillion (insert any currency here) per minute .
CCP is aiming to secure a small piece of that fat cake for themselves ... maybe. And who wants to blame them for? It's an economic working company.
Sooner or later it's all about the money - even in our beloved computer games. (now am sad .
m÷p and m÷p |
fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:55:00 -
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After playing Eve for 5 years now I get more the impression that development in Eve is more and more being directed by marketeers rather then a bunch of nerds like it should be. And it might up like Metallica. *shudders*
NERD POWAH! |
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Mother Drone
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:37:00 -
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Metallica ...
... a good comparison .
m÷p and m÷p |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
After playing Eve for 5 years now I get more the impression that development in Eve is more and more being directed by marketeers rather then a bunch of nerds like it should be. And it might up like Metallica. *shudders*
NERD POWAH!
Bingo
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mother Drone
Long time ago EVE startet as an ambitious project from a small garage company(CCP). It was ment for a small and somehow "special" playerbase - with success. A lot of new and shiny things were introduced the last few years and EVE is today far bigger than ever before. But EVE is becoming more and more ordinary ... step by step.
So what happened?
CCP realized the possibilities to earn big money simply by satisfying the masses - like WoW. New graphics instead of fixing lag or adding intelligent content (lvl 5 missions ... hint hint^^). At the beginning WoW was a better game than today (i guess even like EVE). Much smaller, far less available instances ... but providing more fun. It's not a secret that Blizzard earns over 9000 trillion (insert any currency here) per minute.
CCP is aiming to secure a small piece of that fat cake for themselves ... maybe. And who wants to blame them for? It's an economic working company.
Sooner or later it's all about the money - even in our beloved computer games. (now am sad.
The big problem with moving from building quality for a niche to making as much money as possible is that all the "second rate" MMO publishers have noticed that RMT is the best way to make money regardless of the quality of their game (players come, play a few weeks, invest a few $10 to buy cool stuff, then leave). So EVE is probably heading that way also (buy ship colors in the EVE store etc.).
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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