EVE Search - gb2wow

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

gb2wow

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Scilent Enigma Minmatar Vae Victis Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.18 12:27:00 - [31] I find it amusing to see how many people see only the "EVE is becomming more like WOW" metaphor and think they know what the post is about so they stop reading and writes up "how EVE is not WOW and gb2WOW lamer". Sigh WTS Reading Comprehension Skill book..
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.18 12:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 18/05/2008 12:48:53 If they would just create some damn gameplay mechanic to allow highsec research POS slots to be able to be rented to the public, it would go a long way in improving research and industry. But even that is too much to ask I suppose. System wide asteroid belts, the Orca, new mining skills, a system of invention where you could research the BPCs to improve them. All pretty ideas, none of them likely to happen anytime soon. I agree with you though, research and industry have been shamefully ignored. That being said EVE has a long, long way to go before it's dumbed down enough to be even in the same ballpark as WoW.
Tzar'rim Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:08:00 - [33] A few snippets of stuff I posted on our corp forums; Quote: Yup, because when you set your goal to be a high number of subscriptions instead of focusing on the quality of your game, you already sold your soul to the devil and are now at risk of being held for ransom by majority vote. and; Quote: The easier EVE becomes the further away it goes from the initial idea and outset, which is was made the game so great. Being mainstream isn't good for an MMO which main selling point was the fact that it was a niche product on purpose. Looking for a corp again
Feilan Minmatar Wolfkin Omnitechnologies	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:34:00 - [34] I got a question. What is it that makes EVE non-mainstream to begin with? This thread has mainly focused on complexity in EVE vs. WoW being popular because it's simple. But, is it really... no pun intended... that simple?
xDow Fallen Pandas	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:03:00 - [35] Quote: So this question came to mind, why do people tell people on the forums, to go back to wow, when we already have a game which is quickly approaching wow-like gameplay? I think it is because people like to think of themself as better and smarter and dont want to assosiate them self with "lesser kiddy games" But infact WoW has brought life to the mmo market in my oppinion. I also think it has something to do with complexity can only get you so far. WoW showed that with simplicity you can get so much more out of the consumers. It's what we like and strive for. When your cooking food , do you do a 3 set course or microwave some fast food? I do like EVE alot and I still have this feeling that there are so much more to learn about the game. I believe that CCP will simplify it some more but also try and keep it complex enough to keep us intressted to play and bring in more consumers. - I has a spaceship.
Saloris Nighthawke Ryche's Aggressors Asylum	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:14:00 - [36] Complexity can get you alot farther than simplicity. Just look at just about anything in real life. As our technology gets better and better the more complex it gets. Transistor radio < HD radio as an example. When I cook I make a real meal. Sure, it takes a little bit longer than a microwaved meal but it sure tastes alot better and is better for me. Sometimes I'll nuke some food if I'm in a hurry but as a rule I eat real food. WoW gets blasted by "serious" video game players because it caters to the instant gratification crowd. The "I want it all and I want it now!" crowd. Eve is not and hopefully will never be like that. Complexity in a video game is needed or else we would all still be using our TRS-80's playing Zork and be happy doing it. Do not mistake complexity and difficulty. Do not confuse easy w/ good. - sig was here
Rulkez Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:25:00 - [37] Originally by: xDow Quote: So this question came to mind, why do people tell people on the forums, to go back to wow, when we already have a game which is quickly approaching wow-like gameplay? I think it is because people like to think of themself as better and smarter and dont want to assosiate them self with "lesser kiddy games" But infact WoW has brought life to the mmo market in my oppinion. I also think it has something to do with complexity can only get you so far. WoW showed that with simplicity you can get so much more out of the consumers. It's what we like and strive for. When your cooking food , do you do a 3 set course or microwave some fast food? I do like EVE alot and I still have this feeling that there are so much more to learn about the game. I believe that CCP will simplify it some more but also try and keep it complex enough to keep us intressted to play and bring in more consumers. WoW killed the mmo genre, instead of companies like CCP or Flying Labs Software (POTBS) making niche , but profitable mmos, with genuine new ideas and gameplay, we have 10 mmos a year chasing the "next WOW" tag, having a massive launch but dying within a year.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:50:00 - [38] Originally by: LaVista Vista 2. The linear path of ship types. Huh? Linear? (link in case of edit). The EVE ships are splayed out broader than most tree tops. In spite of containing 27 ship types, it is only four layers deep. Ok, 10 of these types hinge on having the cruiser and/or BS skills – is that what you're referring to?
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:52:00 - [39] Originally by: LaVista Vista EVE is like WoW So is the CSM voting finished? Because if not, I think you just lost. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Heroldyn	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker So is the CSM voting finished? Because if not, I think you just lost. actually did ccp state anywhere when the vote will be closed ?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: LaVista Vista EVE is like WoW So is the CSM voting finished? Because if not, I think you just lost. Sorry, why are you faking quotes? And voting ends tomorrow. But what is your point? You obviously didn't read the thread duh
Madison Avenue Hedion University	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:10:00 - [42] Good thing I waited until now to vote. This wasn't a very well thought-out post. I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish by posting. If this trolling is characteristic of what you will bring to the CSM, I don't want you on it. CSM members must be thorough and logical above all, not knee-jerk reactionary.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Zurrar this game is no where near simple. Try one of the following, flying a nano ship in fleet combat, flying a sniper ship (you have to know transversal and other stuff), using a scorp to jam a fleet knowing which ships to jam, and how well you can jam them. but the best suggestion i can offer... LEAVE HIGH SEC. once you get to null sec, things change. Try joining goonswarm, i hear they will let you in for a small 250m fee. Sorry. I was in a fleet op in my megat yesterday. Also, I enjoy my vagabond and rapier. Oh joy
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Madison Avenue Good thing I waited until now to vote. This wasn't a very well thought-out post. I'm not sure what you wanted to accomplish by posting. If this trolling is characteristic of what you will bring to the CSM, I don't want you on it. CSM members must be thorough and logical above all, not knee-jerk reactionary. How did anyone expect anything else than what is in this thread after his threads about the economy?
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:55:00 - [45] Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 19:03:25 Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 18:56:15 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Amastat People need to at least justify their reason to panic, though it shouldn't be happening at all. All of these panic threads are feeling and opinionated based, there is no facts to support it - in fact, all the facts do the opposite to supporting the panicking. I'm still curious why you keep going in the same track, even though it's an unjustified view. I don't think you have any place to say my view is unjustified when everything I am saying about Empyrean Age is against panicking and doomsday discussions. There is little fact currently known about Empyrean Age that gives players reason to panic about EVE turning into WoW - which further justifys my view, and the view of many others. While it makes all the panicking players look like idiots. I have a reason to speak about much of this; the forums at present, and have been for many days, literally flooded with Armageddon threads. The people opposing me are the ones panicking for no reason, and it's completely uneeded and utter nonsense. If your going to panic, panic when you actually have some solid supporting facts that are saying that this is turning EVE into WoW - otherwise, a few months later, you and many others are going to feel like a ass/idiot for preaching on this forum over no damn reason. It's doing more harm then good - in fact, it's doing no good at all. CCP has even said in numerous occasions to please not jump to conclusions when we don't even know hardly anything - EVEN CCP THEMSELVES is saying the EXACT same thing I and many other people have been saying. I've never gone off track, I've only made two posts; what other track was I on? So - as I said before. Either your making a political stunt, or you're one of the armageddon threaders who are currently running around in circles and are set on fire screaming. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Amastat Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Amastat People need to at least justify their reason to panic, though it shouldn't be happening at all. All of these panic threads are feeling and opinionated based, there is no facts to support it - in fact, all the facts do the opposite to supporting the panicking. I'm still curious why you keep going in the same track, even though it's an unjustified view. I don't think you have any place to say my view is unjustified when everything I am saying about Empyrean Age is against panicking and doomsday discussions. I'm not arguing against the point about Empyrean Age you made. I largely agree with that. But you are jumping conclusions about my intent with the thread, even though it's clearly stated.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:00:00 - [47] Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 19:02:18 Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 19:00:58 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Amastat Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Amastat People need to at least justify their reason to panic, though it shouldn't be happening at all. All of these panic threads are feeling and opinionated based, there is no facts to support it - in fact, all the facts do the opposite to supporting the panicking. I'm still curious why you keep going in the same track, even though it's an unjustified view. I don't think you have any place to say my view is unjustified when everything I am saying about Empyrean Age is against panicking and doomsday discussions. I'm not arguing against the point about Empyrean Age you made. I largely agree with that. But you are jumping conclusions about my intent with the thread, even though it's clearly stated. If you insist this is not a political stunt - fine - however your still creating another epic 5+ page long panic thread; which is the problem I have here. This thread hasn't even been up for 12 hours and we're already on page three. This is but 1 of like 5 other armageddon threads on the front page of the general forum. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Riethe Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:01:00 - [48] what's your vent info i want to hear your voice
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Amastat If you insist this is not a political stunt - fine - however your still creating another epic 5+ page long panic thread; which is the problem I have here. This thread hasn't even been up for 12 hours and we're already on page three. If it turns out to be a panic thread, I'm sorry people are taking it in that direction. I can't help that though :( I was just interested in hearing what people thought. If people jump conclusions, it's their own fault.
Professor Perplex	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:04:00 - [50] can you give some examples on where eve has gotten more "wow like", or easier? i think it might just be that the game has stayed the same and it is just your perception because you have been playing for a while.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:05:00 - [51] Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 19:06:00 Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 19:05:51 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Amastat If you insist this is not a political stunt - fine - however your still creating another epic 5+ page long panic thread; which is the problem I have here. This thread hasn't even been up for 12 hours and we're already on page three. If it turns out to be a panic thread, I'm sorry people are taking it in that direction. I can't help that though :( I was just interested in hearing what people thought. If people jump conclusions, it's their own fault. Ah - I don't blame ya than sorry. That is true that on these forums, even a originally well thought out thread quickly fills up with idiots and it all goes downhill real quick. It's just annoying every expansion, this on in particular, the forums are flooded with this crap. I can't browse for more then 5 mins without hearing the crap. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Athre Minmatar The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Riethe what's your vent info i want to hear your voice if you just want the voice its available on many pod cast shows LVV has done in the passed.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Amastat It's just annoying every expansion, this on in particular, the forums are flooded with this crap. I can't browse for more then 5 mins without hearing the crap. Yeah, factional warfare is a very considerable change to the game. While exciting, it's a big change. And I guess people in eve tend to be very conservative
Riethe Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Athre Originally by: Riethe what's your vent info i want to hear your voice if you just want the voice its available on many pod cast shows LVV has done in the passed. Well I don't. I want more than that. Mmm.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:15:00 - [55] LaVista, When youre new to something which is composed of many inter-related elements, and is large in scale its a 'complex' thing. As you become accustomed to, and understand each individual element and there relationship to other elements that thing is no long complex to you. So, for long term players EVE is less complex: but try explaining it to a new comer! This is something of a quandry for CCP. If they add increasingly complex elements to EVE to satisfy the long term players they run the risk of shutting out the game to the new comer. EVE isnt dumbing down - you simply understand it better through experience. C. VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare!
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Professor Perplex can you give some examples on where eve has gotten more "wow like", or easier? i think it might just be that the game has stayed the same and it is just your perception because you have been playing for a while. 1) Scan probes changes(While original scanning was VERY HARD, it's at times a bit too easy now. The only real skill it takes is math 101, to figure out ranges) 2) Invention being a low-barrier to entry thing is arguably bad. The T2 market went from stupidly high barrier to entry, to very small(ISK and some skills is the only). 3) Jump bridges makes it stupidly easy to get around. 4) Cloak on your ship, and you are virtually risk free.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:18:00 - [57] Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 19:18:22 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Amastat It's just annoying every expansion, this on in particular, the forums are flooded with this crap. I can't browse for more then 5 mins without hearing the crap. Yeah, factional warfare is a very considerable change to the game. While exciting, it's a big change. And I guess people in eve tend to be very conservative There is probably a balance of both liberal and conservative gamers - but yea, quite. CCP IMO is using this to attract conservative gamers from outside of EVE I think. It's something people can somewhat relate too, EVE is very differant from all other MMORPGS - so this creates a huge gap in terms of getting new players, this is a attempt to bridge this gap you could say. I have faith in how CCP has made and will do this; making sure this happens without altering the core of EVE - however I can understand fears of the game turning into WoW - if there was solid fact that this was happening, I would be pretty **ed too; in fact I probably would make a lot of you guys seem very calm, that's how ed I'd be. I'm reserving that right until I have a reason to back it though - there is none** right now, so it's a bit pointless for me to be blowing warhorns on this. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Cailais LaVista, When youre new to something which is composed of many inter-related elements, and is large in scale its a 'complex' thing. As you become accustomed to, and understand each individual element and there relationship to other elements that thing is no long complex to you. So, for long term players EVE is less complex: but try explaining it to a new comer! This is something of a quandry for CCP. If they add increasingly complex elements to EVE to satisfy the long term players they run the risk of shutting out the game to the new comer. EVE isnt dumbing down - you simply understand it better through experience. C. Thanks a lot Cailais, the first reasonable post I definitely agree with the main point. But as you see just above this post, we have seen some things indeed being dumbed down. But I think the main question in my mind is, how complex should the end-game be? I mean, advanced math is complex at first. But when you learn it, it's dead easy. Surely a game is supposed to be challenging, even after you starting to figure it out? It's the argument if instant-gratification, once you get the "Aha" moment, is good or bad. It's good for more new players. But it hurts the long-term players.
Tokyo Beauty	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:27:00 - [59] Edited by: Tokyo Beauty on 18/05/2008 19:42:09 Oh wow! for someone who may be working closely with the devs you have just shown a real lack of respect for them by saying they are making the game less complex and more like world of warcraft. Maybe I over reacted a bit, but really, you're way off with those comments about the complexity and it becomming "wow-like"
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Tokyo Beauty Oh wow! for someone who may be working closely with the devs you have just shown a real lack of respect for them by saying they are making the game less complex and more like world of warcraft. Congratulations you have just single handedly lost the respect of some supporters and quite possibly lost the respct of the devs. I'm pretty sure the devs are smart enough to read the post first, and understand the intention. The devs knows they have my respect, since they are looking to FINALLY implement a stock market and central bank etc. Sorry

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.