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James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:40:00 -
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Hello again, gentle CAOD reader. I don't suppose you were expecting me? Very good, everything is in order.
I have been receiving a lot of mail lately from people asking what GoonSwarm is up to, especially given all the scuttlebutt about the Glorious War of Patriotic Righteousness Against the Evil Tyranny of BoB supposedly being over. Normally the responsibility for answering such questions would fall to someone in an official position of authority, such as a diplomat or spokesperson. But I guess the reason why people always look to me instead is that in addition to being a member of Goonfleet, I am also completely objective. Most participants in the GWoPRAtEToBoB have some sort of agenda because they want one side or the other to win, and their bias is reflected in their posts. I, too, want someone to win--like all Eve, I recognize that BoB must be destroyed--but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
It is true, Goons have politely taken their leave of Delve and have gone to settle some other accounts. Not everything is about BoB, after all (most things, but not everything). Some have suggested this means I must somehow disown Goonfleet or distance myself from the Goons.
That I will not do. I can no more disown Goonfleet than I can disown my white grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world--but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. I hate my grandmother.
In any event, the situation should be clarified. The GWoPRAtEToBoB commenced when SirMolle declared that he would save Lotka Volterra and annihilate GoonSwarm, Red Alliance, and the Tau Ceti Federation. After failing to do any of those things, BoB lost half a dozen regions. In response, SirMolle did what he always does--declared victory on the forums.
Not on my CAOD, you don't!
SirMolle proudly announced, "We have come full circle and are back to where we began, only fiercer, sleeker, quicker and simply sexier than we were two years ago." Such a claim should not go untested. I have seen photos taken at various BoB barbecues and functions. Since they are still images, I cannot speak to the fierceness or quickness of the BoB members in attendance. However, I will say that the words "sleek" and "sexy" are not those which come most readily to mind. Presumably, then, SirMolle refers to the in-Eve quality of "the new BoB". But that would be an even more ridiculous interpretation of his words.
The old BoB prided itself on being exclusive and elite (elitist), the alliance that every serious PvP'er aspires to join. In examining the new BoB we can see how that has changed. The rigors of the GWoPRAtEToBoB drove away much of the original membership, and the threat of masses of enemy pilots caused BoB to undergo a frenzy of recruitment, accepting new pilots wherever it could find them. Those who had formerly been looked down upon as mere "pets" suddenly became "Brothers." Once completely impenetrable to spies, the new BoB was forced, in its haste, to recruit (horrors!) Goons posing as (double horrors!) Lotka Volterra members.
This change went largely unnoticed by Eve, but the walls came tumbling down when, at its lowest point, BoB was forced to recruit, intact, entire corps of former pets. "FinFleet" didn't have quite the same ring to it as "Evolution" or "TAOSP."
Thus, it is ironic that SirMolle would trumpet as his greatest achievement of the war the sleekness and sexiness of the new BoB. (And the '90s called, they want their corporate slang back.) It might have been more ironic if he had claimed BoB gained more territory or more respect, but it's still pretty bizarre.
(Proceed to section 2.) **** |
James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:40:00 -
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Shortly afterward, BoB members flooded the forums with whines about titans. Of all the alliances in the game, only BoB would whine that a game-breaking ship is going to be balanced. "Woe is us, we will have to fight rather than flood the grid with doomsdays." Happily, some of the BoB leadership has become aware of the impending fix to doomsdays, and they will console their members so we can see a repeat of "we didn't want that remote doomsday anyway."
But I digress. I have not even gotten to the MC eulogy yet, and over-long posts are a pet peeve of mine, so I will wrap this up:
Two hundred days after the "Why is BoB Losing?" series was launched on CAOD, BoB lost control of seven regions in addition to the two it had previously lost (and the five lost by its northern allies/pets). BoB also lost a small portion of Delve.
It has been another one hundred days.
Since then...
* Band of Brothers regained control of the rest of the Delve region.
* Band of Brothers regained control of most of the Period Basis region.
* Band of Brothers regained control of most of the Querious region.
This has been the third one hundred days.
BONUS CONTENT!
As all loyal CAOD readers know, the great and powerful Mercenary Coalition recently closed its doors. It is difficult for any alliance leader to make a CAOD post that sufficiently encapsulates all of the emotions that the alliance feels and puts them into a proper historical context as they exit the stage. The challenge is even greater for an alliance that puts as big a mark on Eve as the Mercenary Coalition did. Fortunately, Seleene was up to the task, and in his final act as leader, he eloquently paid homage and brought closure to the MC.
Or not.
During such a momentous occasion as the closing of the MC, Seleene had the opportunity to say something meaningful, but instead he took the opportunity to make a thinly-veiled plea for SirMolle to let him into BoB.
Shameful. The Mercenary Coalition should not pass into the pages of history without first receiving a proper burial.
James 315, at your service. I do these things.
A Eulogy for the Mercenary Coalition
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
-- Winston Churchill
Given the level of esteem in which I am held by the Eve community, it is no surprise that I am often asked to deliver eulogies on behalf of alliances. Most of the time, I politely decline, explaining that I don't feel like it. Even more often, people who are assigned to deliver a eulogy ask me for advice on how to proceed. The most common question is, "where to begin?" I always give the same answer: if the subject of your eulogy were to be remembered by history in one word, what would it be, and why?
In the case of the Mercenary Coalition, it is a somewhat difficult question. Some would say "treachery," arguing that the MC's epic betrayal of BoB will always overshadow everything else they have done. But the first answer is not always the best, and I prefer not to view history in an overly simplistic fashion. It is true that the MC will be most remembered for double-crossing BoB, but I believe the word which best encapsulates both the treachery and everything else the MC has done is the word "cowardice."
Before submitting this post to CAOD, I ran the eulogy by a few former high-ranking officials in the MC to get their thoughts. When I asked whether it was too harsh to characterize the MC as cowardly, they instantly replied, "absolutely not." To them, the MC is finished, and is therefore neither the proper subject of insult nor praise. Instead, it is a lesson to history, and any good alliance's death should serve as a lesson to others not to repeat its mistakes. That is the MC's final contribution to Eve, and they urged me not to mince words. "Eve is for the living, not the dead," they said.
(Proceed to section 3.) **** |
James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:41:00 -
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I will now offer a brief history of the MC in order to support my thesis that cowardice was the defining feature of the alliance's life in Eve. In the beginning, the MC conceived itself as a "neutral mercenary alliance," one which had no friends or enemies, only a loyalty to its clients. If the goal is to have a lot of "not blues" to shoot, neutrality is not in itself a cowardly thing. But false neutrality always is. Like so many others who have flown the flag of neutrality, the MC was in fact secretly (or not-so-secretly) at BoB's beck and call. The MC's official position was that it was not a BoB pet, and would take a contract against BoB if given enough money. But it was a lie--there was never enough ISK in all Eve to turn the MC against its masters.
After the MC turned against BoB, the truth came out, as it always does. BoB and MC had a long-standing alliance, and BoB felt the sting of betrayal in a manner most unlike that of a neutral client. It was no big surprise; just as all of BoB's pets swore up and down (even to their own membership) that they were not paying rent, it always turned out that they had. The MC's rent was simply in a different form. It might be unfair to call the leadership of the pets liars, however--is it a lie if no one believes you?
But in another way, the MC was very much unlike the rest of the BoB pets, because it had something they lacked: potential. In its heyday, the MC was extremely powerful pound-for-pound, and despite its relatively small membership boasted one of the biggest capital fleets in Eve. Why would the MC be content to be pets when so many alliances of lesser power were willing to blaze their own trails in Eve and risk extinction? Again, it was the characteristic cowardice of the MC that sapped it of its strength.
This is not to say all of the members of the MC were cowards. Far from it. As time went on, the membership of the MC grew increasingly confident of their abilities and wanted their leadership to behave in a manner befitting the potential power of the alliance. Time and again, Seleene refused to cut the umbilical cord. Even as BoB grew reliant upon the MC for its firepower and capital fleet expertise, he would not budge.
At the outset of the GWoPRAtEToBoB, BoB had not yet mastered the art of the remote doomsday, and were forced to play Eve Online rather than Titan Online. Though BoB anticipated quickly sweeping the RedSwarm Federation out of Lotka Volterra space, they were unexpectedly tied down by the likes of D2, a northern alliance of questionable PvP capability. With BoB stuck defending its own territory in the southwest, the RedSwarm Federation marched across the southeast, eviscerating Lotka Volterra, whom BoB left to die. In a sudden reversal of roles, BoB relied upon its pet, the MC, to bail them out by breaking the deadlock up north.
The MC cut through the northern alliances like a knife and began conquering regions of its own. Meanwhile, BoB finally turned the southern campaign into Titan Online and began to make progress. Even so, the MC's titan-less successes up north completely overshadowed BoB. Beyond merely stealing BoB's thunder on the propaganda front, the MC had installed itself as ruler of the north. In June, CCP lessened the imbalance of titans by removing their invulnerability and remote doomsday. This transformed Titan Online back to Eve Online, and BoB started losing ground immediately.
(Proceed to section 4.) **** |
Phrixus Zephyr
Prospero Incorperated
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 18/05/2008 17:41:29
Hiya!
Edit; F'NAR! COMBO BREAKER!
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James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:41:00 -
[5]
Edited by: James 315 on 18/05/2008 17:41:59
A few astute observers of the conflict wondered whether BoB would once again ask the MC to bail them out. But ordering the MC to give up their own hard-fought territory to serve BoB elsewhere would be an audacious move--and the ultimate humiliation for MC. It would be almost as unthinkable as the job the MC leadership would have, persuading their members to give up their trophies of conquest to behave like pets. The downgrading of MC would be BoB's revenge for having overshadowed their masters. If BoB did make the outrageous request, the MC would have a game-defining moment of decision.
Enter YACAODI1MAC.
In June of 2007, Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp was a mere fledgling start-up, a far cry from the premier 1-man alt corp it would later become. But with some of the best leadership in all of Eve, YACAODI1MAC was destined to make waves. That month, YACAODI1MAC created a tsunami with what is considered by some to be the most influential single post ever made on CAOD, and one of the most prophetic. The thread was entitled The Mercenary Coalition's Big Decision.
The intrepid CEO of YACAODI1MAC had determined in advance that SirMolle would, at long last, call the pets home and demand rescue. But the MC did not have to obey. If they so chose, they could make what was clearly the correct decision for the alliance: to become an independent power in the north and rule over it as BoB had formerly ruled over the southwest. Furthermore, YACAODI1MAC's top analyst made an even bolder prediction: that Triumvirate would transform itself into a territory-wielding, POS-shotting entity that would grow into the next great power of the north--and an unaligned one at that. If the MC and Triumvirate joined forces, they would rule over an extent of territory of hitherto unknown proportions.
With the benefit of nearly a year of hindsight, these predictions seem incredibly obvious. Some would even go so far as to say that history could have taken no other path. But at the time it was written, The Mercenary Coalition's Big Decision was ground-breaking heresy. The established Eve community was at once repulsed and intrigued by the ideas it espoused. The post was copied and distributed abroad--even finding its way to the normally aloof Scrapheap-Challenge, where CAOD is despised (because the forum has its roots in CAOD).
The primary reaction to the post was that it would be absurd for MC to alter its arrangement with BoB, and that MC must always and forever be tied to the Period Basis region, where it could be safely attached to BoB's hip. At the outset, only Dianabolic was receptive to such a discussion. The top echelon of BoB's leadership knew they would need to call on the MC, and reading the reactions of the MC in the CAOD thread would serve as an excellent trial balloon--and a test of loyalty for Seleene.
Cowardly, Seleene played the role of the good pet, laughed off the assertions made by YACAODI1MAC and assured BoB that he would do whatever they asked, no matter how ridiculous. Ironically, in doing so, he ensured that BoB would give the order.
Some members of BoB and the MC decried the YACAODI1MAC thread for what it was: a transparent attempt to divide BoB and the MC. It was true. But the transparency of the attempt did not abrogate its effectiveness. In fact, the public and open nature of the attack on their fidelity to one another was the point. Many among the MC had already privately considered the possibility of staying north. They feared that rushing to the south to help BoB would cement their status as pets, which it did. By framing the Eve community's discussion about the MC as either "northern independent power" or "pet helping BoB in the south," it was guaranteed that the MC membership would feel cheated when the order was inevitably given.
(Proceed to section 5.) **** |
James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:43:00 -
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The seeds were planted. All those in the MC who had wanted to take a different path would know that they were not alone, and that the public opinion--the one thing the MC cared the most about--would be shaped by their fatal decision to leave the north.
Time and again, YACAODI1MAC hammered the point into the public consciousness: the MC was at least BoB's equal and should not be forced to do its bidding. The "Why is BoB Losing" series repeatedly emphasized the MC's accomplishments while downplaying the abilities of BoB. Only once did BoB receive a respite from its mortal CAOD enemy: the results of the YACAODI1MAC contract made fun of the Eve mercenary charade, with the MC as its express target. Because it made fun of the MC, BoB loved it. The MC avoided the thread like the plague, but BoB members felt free to have a laugh at the MC's expense, without realizing that they were doing so.
After the MC was forced into the southern campaign to save BoB, they left a vacuum. The MC's northern enemies swept in, having been spared final destruction. But the primary beneficiary of the MC's sudden departure was, as predicted, Triumvirate. The public awareness and admiration for Triumvirate grew--there was even talk of Triumvirate being an "elite PvP alliance," a description traditionally only given to BoB and the MC. To fulfill the other YACAODI1MAC prediction, the MC became bogged down in a fruitless campaign against the Russians. They could only watch in regret and despair as their land in the north was taken by others--others who had the privilege of seeking their own fortunes instead of BoB's.
While it was perhaps inevitable that the MC's campaign against the Coalition would be fruitless, BoB made sure it was also thankless. BoB did not have enough titans to transform the game back into Titan Online, and it continually lost ground as summer turned to autumn. More importantly for their leadership, BoB lost prestige. BoB had no choice but to put its blame on the MC for failing to ***** the IAC/AAA front. The MC, whose ego had been puffed up by the YACAODI1MAC-inspired plaudits on the forums, now found themselves on the receiving end of BoB's scorn and ill-treatment. BoB continually forced the MC to change strategies or relocate, and then changed plans again without telling them. BoB's morale was at an all-time low, and the only way they could make themselves feel superior again was to continually walk all over their pet, which had dared to overshadow them.
The final straw came when the MC finally achieved the conquest of a coalition station in Catch. Eager to rouse his own troops and caring little for the effect on his pets, SirMolle waltzed into CAOD and declared victory for himself, completely downplaying all of the MC's efforts. This, along with BoB's utter indifference at the destruction of the MC titan by Coalition forces, deeply poisoned the MC against BoB. The MC had given everything to BoB, and they finally realized they would receive nothing in return.
In spite of all the abuse the MC received, they were still too cowardly to turn against BoB and stand up for themselves. Only cowardice could motivate them to switch sides. As BoB lost more and more ground against the Coalition, the predictions made by YACAODI1MAC seemed infallible: BoB was going to lose the war. If the MC were still tied to BoB, it would be destroyed, just as all of the other BoB pets were destroyed. In fear for its life, the MC withdrew from the conflict.
(Proceed to section 6.) **** |
James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:43:00 -
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The MC's first switch in sides came in true MC style, half-hearted and behind a shield of false neutrality. The MC declared the contract over and went back home to lick its wounds, waiting to see if BoB would continue to lose. Though the MC did not realize it, the timing was impeccable for the Coalition. The Coalition had been on the receiving end of the combined MC/BoB capital fleets, and with the lag produced by their swarms of fighters, little could be achieved against them. The leadership of the Coalition feared that the united, one-front strategy of MC/BoB could turn the tide in Catch and knock IAC out of the war. Then MC/BoB would be able to suffocate the RedSwarm Federation with its carriers. But BoB's incompetence and arrogance led to the MC's withdrawal before this could take place. With the MC out of the way, BoB was bound to lose.
BoB began to lose territory so fast that its leadership decided to stop the bleeding by amputation, evacuating three regions at once. While this measure was taken to prevent the endless, slow drip of negative news and loss of morale, it also had the effect of convincing the MC that BoB was, in fact, going to be destroyed. For the longest time, the MC refused to believe it. After all, the only way they could justify being pets to BoB was to imagine BoB as an all-powerful, worthy master. The loss of so much territory in so little time shook them, and they plotted the means by which they could save themselves.
In the popular imagination of the Eve community, all of the anti-BoB sentiment and independent spirit that existed within the MC is concentrated into the person of Mynas Atoch. While Mynas may have possessed more bravery and self-respect than most MC commanders (he's former ISS Navy, after all), it is quite an exaggeration. Mynas did not infect the MC with some alien disease; he simply reflected the opinions of a large cross-section of the MC. After the MC destroyed itself, Mynas became a convenient scapegoat for all MC members who wished to disavow their disloyalty and join BoB.
Others say that the MC's decision to turn against BoB was the result of greed. This assumes that servitude to BoB is one's natural state, and the desire to be free must come from greed. If it is so, I am very grateful for the existence of so much greed in the world.
In December, the MC openly broke with BoB and attacked BoB fortifications in Period Basis. This, too, came in MC style. The MC did not simply switch sides; it created an entire confederation and invited them to help secure Period Basis. With BoB facing the full force of the Coalition in the east, it was intended to be a true fait accompli, a betrayal free from risk. The MC even attempted to downplay the move, characterizing it as simply securing their home in Period Basis, a region which was supposed to mostly belong to them anyway.
The power play was a complete success. BoB could not long withstand the attacks from all sides, and it retreated into Delve. The MC had been BoB's pet for so long, and had taken every step in constant fear of what BoB would think. Now BoB was on the brink of destruction. At last, the MC was free from its endless fear of BoB. After the Coalition secured its first Delve station, even BoB's many titans could not save them. While BoB attempted to recreate Titan Online with the possibility of multiple doomsdays over its cyno-jammers, the combined Coalition and MC fleets were poised to simultaneously hit multiple systems. No matter where BoB defended, it would lose ground somewhere else.
(Proceed to section 7.) **** |
Zelian Rage
Deep Space Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:43:00 -
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Big wall inbound
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Jogyn
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:43:00 -
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James 315 rocks my socks!
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James 315
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:44:00 -
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But the MC took no joy in its impending victory. Instead, all it was capable of experiencing was fear. They knew that their previous loyalty to BoB had earned them many enemies among the Coalition. Goons openly spoke of how they would destroy the MC once BoB was gone. And everyone knew Evil Thug thirsted for MC blood. With each Coalition success, the MC grew more concerned about what would happen after BoB died.
At once, the MC realized how foolish the "Tortugan" plan to secure Period Basis was. The YACAODI1MAC plan would have them go up north and secure space of their own, while Seleene's plan was to remain in service to BoB forever. Tortuga was a compromise plan with all of the perils of staying in the south and none of the advantages of going north. No matter what happened in the GWoPRAtEToBoB, the MC would be surrounded by its enemies. Now BoB, which had once ruled over the MC, became a necessary buffer between the Coalition and the MC.
The MC became consumed by cowardice once more. It did the unthinkable. It switched sides. Again.
The MC informed leaders of the Coalition that it would not take part in the multiple-front attack against Delve, only minutes before it was scheduled to take place. The MC crawled back to BoB on its belly and attacked the Coalition, hoping to prove that it could be loyal to BoB once again. To the MC's utter amazement, SirMolle informed them that they had doomed themselves to destruction with their first betrayal. It was the only logical response: Period Basis had always been one of BoB's core regions.
Once losing the capacity to launch multiple-front invasions of Delve, the Coalition could not prevent BoB from packing target systems with titans, recreating Titan Online and preventing the front from advancing. Once again, the MC was gripped by terror: what if BoB pushed southward? The MC, after betraying both the Coalition and BoB, did what was now thinkable (only for them): they switched sides yet again. But deep down, the MC knew they had placed themselves in an impossible position, and they lacked the heart to continue fighting BoB. Besides, they could not realistically count on the trust of the Coalition after so much side-hopping.
The Mercenary Coalition had no true friends, and it had enemies on every side. In the irony of ironies, the Mercenary Coalition had truly become what it had always pretended to be: neutral. The MC no doubt could have continued, but this would have required a sliver of courage and independence.
The Mercenary Coalition became a neutral coalition of mercenaries. Finding such a state bizarre and intolerable, Seleene had the alliance commit ritual suicide and close its doors.
While I criticized Seleene's eulogy of the MC, it was oddly appropriate. By making a vain attempt to prostrate himself before BoB, Seleene ensured that the MC would die as it had lived: in abject cowardice.
As for the north? As YACAODI1MAC prophesied, the destinies of the MC and Triumvirate were intertwined. By making the wrong decision and moving south, the MC deprived Triumvirate of the powerful ally it needed to survive and conquer the north. Just days after the MC closed its doors, Triumvirate, heralded by so many as the next great power, closed its own.
And what of the "Mynas factor," the remnant of the "greed" and independent spirit that smoldered in the MC, suppressed beneath the cowardly leadership of the alliance? Will they find themselves wandering into the northern reaches of space, looking for the homeland that Seleene denied them so long ago? Will they act as the seeds of a great new northern empire that existed only in an alternate path of history?
Perhaps. But that is a story, my dear CAOD reader, that must wait to be told another day.
- 315
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:45:00 -
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summary?
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Menth
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:45:00 -
[12]
TL:DR
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Lucias Trask
Shadows of the Dead
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lucias Trask on 18/05/2008 17:47:18
Dont forget Goon titan down in R-6
FIRST PAGE!!!
And tl;dr version.
Something about how hes a goon, and he doesnt like BoB. But he likes buttsexxx with his Grandma. Something. Then talk about MC and how they were cool, but then they arent. But he still doesnt like BoB.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:47:00 -
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Nice to see a long post on CAOD. Would be even nicer if it came with an Executive summary 
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:48:00 -
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this is long, ill edit when iv read it all the way lol
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VinkNut
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:49:00 -
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TLDR
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:49:00 -
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reserved
KIA EVE Home
KIA in game Public Channel "KIA"
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Phrixus Zephyr
Prospero Incorperated
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:49:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 18/05/2008 17:51:58
 Originally by: James 315
As for the north? As YACAODI1MAC prophesied, the destinies of the MC and Triumvirate were intertwined. By making the wrong decision and moving south, the MC deprived Triumvirate of the powerful ally it needed to survive and conquer the north. Just days after the MC closed its doors, Triumvirate, heralded by so many as the next great power, closed its own.
Havn't read the rest, but this caught my eye, being vain and all that.
MC had nothing to do with Tri going down like a bag of spanners, we didn't need an ally and the majority of us hated every second that MC were blue (hi thar). Secondly, Tri didn't 'not survive to conquer the north' the alliance broke up because half of us didn't want to conquer anything.
Nobody was threatening Tri, nobody had the stones to. We could have sat in Dek for months to come and it was have been exactly the same as it had for the previous 6+ months. We would have proberbly ended up shooting each other. Oh wait, we did.
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Shoukei
Caldari
Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:51:00 -
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too bad deathtear already spoiled the day.
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teh punisher
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:51:00 -
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Can I get the tl;dr version please?
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: VinkNut
TLDR
no, no.. you're doing it wrong.
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A Zen Koan: BoB come to system, lag was very bad.
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:56:00 -
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Anyone have the Coles Notes version?
Srsly, someone post summary... 
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Harmony Loveflange
Minmatar
Chocolate Flairs
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:57:00 -
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tl;dr
epicly long, someone with a greater sunday attention span tell us if it was good smack
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Culbrik
Amarr
Seven.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:59:00 -
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Nice read, cheers :) To bad Roadkill (the new goons) will want to spoil it :P |
belzebub1
Gallente
The Funkalistic
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Culbrik
Nice read, cheers :) To bad Roadkill (the new goons) will want to spoil it :P[/
Rgds
Belz
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Culbrik
Amarr
Seven.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: belzebub1
Originally by: Culbrik
Nice read, cheers :) To bad Roadkill (the new goons) will want to spoil it :P[/
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PsychoBones
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:02:00 -
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First page in a James 315 thread.
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Hast
The Illuminati.
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: James 315
I am also completely objective.
Originally by: James 315
but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
really should have stopped reading there. Also you were wrong about tri. Being able to write massive amounts of text doesent make you a good writer, unbiased or right in any way. It just makes you able to waste alot of peoples time.
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Atari Snr
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:04:00 -
[29]
1st...
to actually read it i bet, good read as allways, however, are u sure ur not jade C's alt? :)
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:04:00 -
[30]
Nice ;o
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Dazhbog
Psuedointellectuals
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:08:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Dazhbog on 18/05/2008 18:08:46
pg 2?
edit: booyah, also that was a lot of words for "welp"
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D4mnation
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:16:00 -
[32]
what a pile of biased tosh.
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Z'Olive
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:22:00 -
[33]
Will read later, but anyway James 315 for president of the CSM !
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:24:00 -
[34]
That was an enjoyable read. 
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slip66
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:28:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: James 315
I am also completely objective.
Originally by: James 315
but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
really should have stopped reading there. Also you were wrong about tri. Being able to write massive amounts of text doesent make you a good writer, unbiased or right in any way. It just makes you able to waste alot of peoples time.
owned.
07 Hast
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:28:00 -
[36]
Stop being so accurate, this is CAOD damnit!
Sexy post(s). 
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Nahia Senne
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:32:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Nahia Senne on 18/05/2008 18:33:29
tl; dr
James 315 is not biased.
Titans are overpowered.
BoB sucks.
MC kinda messed up.
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Luyshin
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:43:00 -
[38]
Originally by: "James 315"
That I will not do. I can no more disown Goonfleet than I can disown my white grandmother--a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world--but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. I hate my grandmother.
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:45:00 -
[39]
For fun, I counted the amount of times you mentioned "BoB" - I stopped at 100.
Do you sometimes dream about BoB, or think about BoB when you hear the word BoB?
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:45:00 -
[40]
Too long didn¦t read it.
P.S:Why don¦t you writ a essay about bumping,bumping needs to be fixed.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Asylum Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:14:00 -
[41]
God that was a long read...
not a particularly bad post..
My views and opinions are my own.
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Der Pfaffe
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:15:00 -
[42]
Biased mis-informed *******s for the most part.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:20:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Moonlight Express on 18/05/2008 19:25:25
Goonies blame MC for their fail cascade against BoB? I blame grandma. She should have taken to the whip more often.
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HoeMaster
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:27:00 -
[44]
Edited by: HoeMaster on 18/05/2008 19:29:56
Originally by: ****ation
what a pile of biased tosh.
^ This
Also: over-long posts are a pet peeve of mine, so I will wrap this up:
That was about a page in there sport
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Kyle Frost
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:27:00 -
[45]
James, who the hell let you out of the Asylum ?
What ? You escaped ?
Oh man , why did you do that ? I thought you liked it there !
BoB was after you ? James... there is no BoB ! They are just a figment of your imagination!
They had titans ? Yeah well, that's what happens when you don't take your pills. Come on now, i will take you back to the nut-house ahm... i mean - the special recreation facility. Oh and speaking about titans - where is yours ?
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:30:00 -
[46]
Nice bit of revisionist fiction there. Spell checked and everything. Good work! Would read again. 
Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song |
Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:32:00 -
[47]
wtc I'm not reading this
Cliffnotes?
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Florio
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:33:00 -
[48]
a better title would have been "300 minutes" warning people how long it would take them to read it.
deadtear kinda makes your post lol though.
i got bored and stopped reading it after the 1st page, but i'm sure it was all very interesting.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:44:00 -
[49]
It's been too long without one of these posts. While perhaps not all true, it does open ones eyes to see EVE and it's pilots for what they truly are.
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Kaaii
Caldari
PixelJuice Design
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:45:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Der Pfaffe
Biased mis-informed *******s for the most part.
in a nut shell, this
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:53:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Too long didn¦t read it.
Pitty. Was a good read. Nicely written by James.
Reading between the lines it becomes clear James does have limited information to base his posts upon. But he does a good job despite this. Entertaining to read, and contains some truth.
I give this post a 9/10.
EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki |
Cassandra Bontecou
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: James 315
But I guess the reason why people always look to me instead is that in addition to being a member of Goonfleet, I am also completely objective.
^^This sentence might be the single most amazing sentence ever written in CAOD.
Thank you James, I needed that.
Originally by: James 315
in addition to being a member of Goonfleet, I am also completely objective.
Zoolkhan > Act as you would act on the street facing a person of the same size as you. |
Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:02:00 -
[53]
tl;dr
welp
nerf cyno jammers
nerf titans
etc etc etc
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:02:00 -
[54]
While your post was entertaining and made several attempts to speak as if you know my mind, this one statement showed the depth of your ignorance on most of the issues you spoke of:
Originally by: James 315
During such a momentous occasion as the closing of the MC, Seleene had the opportunity to say something meaningful, but instead he took the opportunity to make a thinly-veiled plea for SirMolle to let him into BoB.
To insinuate that I would ever leave my corp is laughable.
As for the rest, it's plainly apparent that I need to organize a BBQ with some people and see where that leads.
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Gontard
Minmatar
E-Truth
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:04:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Gontard on 18/05/2008 20:06:53
hahaha things must be extremly bad for goons if they put james on the frontlines again :D
we saw how bob are dead according to your expert analysis :)))
just shut up
edit : now i get it, goons directors must be pretty desperate after they lost a titan today so they sent you to drive away the attention. 
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7sunami
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:11:00 -
[56]
Don't care how you reached your conclusion, but MC = cowardice is about right, but i prefer the word hyena
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Crimsonjade
Comanche Nation
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:15:00 -
[57]
ok cliffnotes are in and are below
goonie posted something.
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Liam Galagher
Savey
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:28:00 -
[58]
Originally by: James 315
And everyone knew Evil Thug thirsted for MC blood.
really? so why AAA didnt attack MC after they tried to re-join the BoB bandwagon?
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Patripassion
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:46:00 -
[59]
Actually read the post, children, it's quite good.
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Thoran Karlien
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:52:00 -
[60]
Well, read it... while I think it is highly biased it is a nice sum up of how the events unfolded themselves over the time. But it is all viewed from this moment... so no daring predictions, no future telling 
Lets see, what the next one is... the failing of alliance xy, or just another glorification of already happened posts?
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scally
Minmatar
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:55:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Patripassion
Actually read the post, children, it's quite good.
so is war and peace but iam not gonna read that **** also
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Haargoth Agamar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:03:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Patripassion
Actually read the post, children, it's quite good.
Actually, it is not.
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Mr McDee
Ancient Crew
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:05:00 -
[63]
Originally by: James 315
Hello again, gentle CAOD reader. I don't suppose you were expecting me? Very good, everything is in order.
I have been receiving a lot of mail lately from people asking what GoonSwarm is up to, especially given all the scuttlebutt about the Glorious War of Patriotic Righteousness Against the Evil Tyranny of BoB supposedly being over. Normally the responsibility for answering such questions would fall to someone in an official position of authority, such as a diplomat or spokesperson. But I guess the reason why people always look to me instead is that in addition to being a member of Goonfleet, I am also completely objective. Most participants in the GWoPRAtEToBoB have some sort of agenda because they want one side or the other to win, and their bias is reflected in their posts. I, too, want someone to win--like all Eve, I recognize that BoB must be destroyed--but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
****
Stopped reading at this point.
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Vily
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:07:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Liam Galagher
Originally by: James 315
And everyone knew Evil Thug thirsted for MC blood.
really? so why AAA didnt attack MC after they tried to re-join the BoB bandwagon?
AAA, hating the **** outta MC is one of those things that everyone assumes as some long standing grudge. I dont think AAA wanted to drink our blood, i dont even think thug was watching for us to drop the soap.
Most of the Original post is correct is some way or another, but there are some exaggerations and connections that aren't true. in general however? mostly correct minus some of the personal digs
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:14:00 -
[65]
Your spin would go down better if you weren't so self-important.
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EnacheV1
Minmatar
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:16:00 -
[66]
Originally by: James 315
--like all Eve, I recognize that BoB must be destroyed--but I am unbiased
Originally by: James 315
Given the level of esteem in which I am held by the Eve community
Clown
Ofc "this is my opinion and not that of my Alliance".
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Khatred
ReallyPissedOff
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:32:00 -
[67]
I bet you had a lot of laughs and giggles as you were writing this, however seeing how many times you mention Titan Online, I think you do have a problem. A very "unbiased" one  .
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:41:00 -
[68]
James,
I admit to being very tired after a fishing trip trough a frozen hell but two things seem to stand out.
You talk like this would not be about BoB vs MC "betrayal" but then everything pretty much circle around it anyway.
And continuing on, you clearly have no thought of really discussing all of MC's achivements, or as I assume,
you conveniently left them out, and only (I dare almost say obessed about) talked about MC's actions
over the last 300 or so days.
Well written post, its not too many of those these days and for that I can be somewhat thankful.
However, its clearly way too uninformed and biased that it looses pretty much all point.
Regards,
Lowa - I know, I really shouldnt and I probably wont anymore
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Niraco79
Gallente
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 22:28:00 -
[69]
Very good read....many true aspects in this fiction book from our best CAOD fiction writer. A must read just dropped from Goonfleet newspaper Agency, and all readers dieing for a nice bedtime story must not miss it. And for just 14.95 isk this month.
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7sunami
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 22:41:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Liam Galagher
Originally by: James 315
And everyone knew Evil Thug thirsted for MC blood.
really? so why AAA didnt attack MC after they tried to re-join the BoB bandwagon?
I seem to recall AAA came along for the 49- fight with IAC/CVA when MC was there. But when they were asked to help out Qy6 they decided to go home instead
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Swiftness
Caldari
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:13:00 -
[71]
Good read, I wish more alliance propaganda-agents (from all sides) put similar time and effort into making posts like this.
CAOD forum would be a lot more enjoyable 
Can't comment on content, but still A+ for style and entertainment.
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Curx
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:15:00 -
[72]
Very nice read, thank you
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:21:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Actually, it is not.
You never like anything!
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CLEISTHENES2
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:23:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: James 315
I am also completely objective.
Originally by: James 315
but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
really should have stopped reading there. Also you were wrong about tri. Being able to write massive amounts of text doesent make you a good writer, unbiased or right in any way. It just makes you able to waste alot of peoples time.
Hast leave him alone, its his school project.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:34:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Your spin would go down better if you weren't so self-important.
much like your alliance
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Florio
a better title would have been "300 minutes" warning people how long it would take them to read it.
deadtear kinda makes your post lol though.
i got bored and stopped reading it after the 1st page, but i'm sure it was all very interesting.
There are about 4500 words. Assuming you aren't half ******** and can read at the very minimum of 300 words a minutes (fairly low reading level) it would have taken around 15 minutes to read only his posts. At least try exaggerate well.
....oh, you're in BoB. Lol, I shoulda known.
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Armor Tank
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:27:00 -
[77]
Interesting read (didn't read).
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Fabrice Enchante
Gallente
Needles for Balloons
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:33:00 -
[78]
Entertaining read, at least the first 5-6 sections I got through.
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Alex 787
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:51:00 -
[79]
Goon is new Titan online in R-6
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Shardiss
Medecins sans Planetes
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:52:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Haffrage
wtc I'm not reading this
Cliffnotes?
Cliffnotes: MC ****** up.
Expanded version: MC ****** up big-time.
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Iroku Mata
Minmatar
Endovelicus Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:56:00 -
[81]
James you simply... SUCKS...
wanna be polite? Beginn in your own Forum and TS...
Today you lost your first Titan... the next will be shortly down!
YOU WILL DIE GOONS
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Iroku Mata
Minmatar
Endovelicus Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:01:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Iroku Mata on 19/05/2008 01:05:01
Originally by: Hellaciouss
There are about 4500 words. Assuming you aren't half ******** and can read at the very minimum of 300 words a minute (fairly low reading level). It would have taken around 15 minutes to read only his posts. At least try to exaggerate well.
....oh, you're in BoB. Lol, I shoulda known. 15 words a minute is probably pretty high for someone in BoB.
I got a PhD and I¦m a BoB alt. Can read more than 500 words in a minute and will kick your ass if you try to make an MBA in my university. Oh wait.. this is only a game! Come to me my son, I¦ll help you to come to the dark side.
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Tatoed Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:10:00 -
[83]
Summary is very simple.
TL;DR
Goons lost a Titan to the noobs SmashKill
Goons lost war with BoB
Goons faking Mothership kills
Goons going to leave EVE?
James 315 is Objectively anti-BoB
Goons are even noobier than those so called noobs they're attacking now, time to call in RA's cap fleet
Conclusion: who cares about his wall of text which contains nothing new.
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Efdi
Minmatar
Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:35:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Iroku Mata
I got a PhD and I¦m a BoB alt. Can read more than 500 words in a minute and will kick your ass if you try to make an MBA in my university. Oh wait.. this is only a game! Come to me my son, I¦ll help you to come to the dark side.
Kickboxing supermodel girlfriend, amirite?
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Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:38:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Iroku Mata
I got a PhD and I¦m a BoB alt. Can read more than 500 words in a minute and will kick your ass ...
Well if that's the case why do you write like a 14 year old? You really should go back to sniffing glue on the street corner.
Nice post by James for entertainment value. I always found the way MC would go in with big ops then stop all of a sudden to be a bit unusual. Like two months ago when they seemed to give up in Delve. I assume that there must have been major internal issues going on at that time, long before the MC break-up post.
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Haargoth Agamar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 01:46:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Actually, it is not.
You never like anything!
I get that alot :P
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LordMordred
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 02:38:00 -
[87]
Nice work of Fiction.
But... nothing more than that. Perhaps you should try creating made up alliances and submit it as a fan-fiction work.
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Jita Mistress
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.19 03:14:00 -
[88]
James 315: Puppetmaster
BoB: Puppets
Look how the bobbits have swarmed to this thread, and watch how they'll do it until a mod finally locks it. |
Taedrin
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 03:25:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Taedrin on 19/05/2008 03:27:38
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: James 315
I am also completely objective.
Originally by: James 315
but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
really should have stopped reading there. Also you were wrong about tri. Being able to write massive amounts of text doesent make you a good writer, unbiased or right in any way. It just makes you able to waste alot of peoples time.
Indeed. The entire write-up was thick with emotionally charged words and accused the MC of being cowardly. Lots and lots of pathos, virtually no logos, and an attempt at ethos in the first page (see Modes of persuasion). Call me crazy, but I don't think a truly objective person makes such statements as "MC have only known fear".
Of course, I'm a biased reader, as I always admired MC and KIA (and ASCN, for that matter) since my noobish days. But I think I'm qualified enough to assert that the OP was not objective in any capacity what so ever.
EDIT: trimmed quote pyramid a bit.
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Haargoth Agamar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 03:40:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jita Mistress
James 315: Puppetmaster
BoB: Puppets
Look how the bobbits have swarmed to this thread, and watch how they'll do it until a mod finally locks it.
yeah, usually bobbits never post in threads related to them.
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:56:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Will Hunter on 19/05/2008 05:56:04
this **** sucks you****
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:24:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Shin Ra
summary?
this confirms my suspicions that you press f5 every minute of every day
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:29:00 -
[93]
Originally by: James 315
...Not everything is about BoB, after all
Then you proceed to drivle on about us for more than 2 posts. You always were a fanboi.
Places at the BBQ are still available.
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03 |
Wodanonline
The Last Resort.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:41:00 -
[94]
the guy claims to be "completely objective" while being a member of noobswarm what did you expect.
next time use a alt ppl might actually believe you.
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Consultant
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:43:00 -
[95]
Originally by: James 315
but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand here everything fell apart.
Thanks for playing though. Better luck next time.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:46:00 -
[96]
Faggot alt above is me. CCP please fix the fuking forums. Kthxbai
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Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:57:00 -
[97]
The tongue-in-cheek introduction about objectivity and the hilarious idea that somebody would actually enquire after James' opinion on anything was good. My interest was piqued, so I read the rest.
What followed was several dozen paragraphs of flabby waffle. It read like the droning monotone of a high-school student explaining his science-fair exhibit.
To be worth reading, you must either have an interesting story to tell, or a compelling way to tell it. This post had neither.
Pretty much sums up the goon's impact on the game in 2008; Thread fails to deliver, much like the alliance.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 09:01:00 -
[98]
Every self-important alt thinks the OP posted 7 pages of fail and all Goons should stop posting now.
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The Jugganaut
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Posted - 2008.05.19 09:14:00 -
[99]
Unbiased my ass!
How can you call yourself unbiased when you're associated with Goonswarm? Rediculous!
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Lee Wai
Virulence.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.19 09:15:00 -
[100]
The above was me!! ******* forum!
--Sig--
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Griever Takkow
Finis Lumen
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:00:00 -
[101]
<snore> <snooo Wait what huba habaa> <blinks> heard you lost a titan?
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xBlood
Anoint
Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:03:00 -
[102]
Ok...I finally read it.
I've never heard a bunch of biased **** quite on the same scale.
The only thing I agree with here is that Minas/Mynas/however you spell his name was used as a scapegoat by much of MC. Figureheads who make hard choices are never popular.
Anoint Recruitment |
Play Dead
Altruism.
Malice.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:51:00 -
[103]
tl;dr version
I'm a Goon, who's unbiased towards BoB (though I spend an inordinate amount of time staring at pictures of BoB members and how sexy and sleek they actually are). I'm going to write to you, about writing a eulogy (which might have been interesting if I didn't go off on a childish tangent for 18 paragraphs about how awesome I am). This post is mainly meant to generate a thread long and distorted enough to take public eye off the fact that my alliance, which is of course utterly awesome and in every way superior to BoB, lost a titan in a completely unremarkable way. This is really just another childish slight of hand, much like spamming our killboard with fake killmails, in an effort to make ourselves feel better about how serious we've become over internet spaceships and yet how poorly we manage our actions as a group. Bla bla bla, MC sucks, personal attacks against Seleene and SirMolle, more self-adulation, GoonSwarm is awesome, we kill Titans not lose them.
I think I covered everything.
P.S. Did I mention I'm awesome?
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Danari
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:18:00 -
[104]
Even the executive summary's too long :O
fi;dc (**** it, don't care)
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Morris Falter
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:24:00 -
[105]
Good quality rhetoric. For people who actually did read your post, James, go easy on the "I am the invisible mastermind" and a bit more on the analysis, but considering you've carved out your own niche for this kind of thing, I think that can be a little forgiven.
The irony you highlighted of MC's decisions achieving their neutrality and them being caught up short by it is delicious, and thank you for providing an interesting read, with the above proviso.
As an asside, and as I've said before, a stronger move for tortuga would have been in north querious. Period basis is a deep, deep hole to hide where nothing happens. The A2-, ED- etc area could have been a very solid area for them to fortify, should they have wished - close to home targets, empire and low-sec a hairs-breadth away, no trouble with logistics. In addition, they could have taken on board anything worth salvaging from Fix. If I remember correctly, Fix also had split loyalties at the time.. All that remains now is "What could have been".
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Am Sar
Gallente
The Space Janitors
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:31:00 -
[106]
The Goons want to be the joke of EVE.
...heck, they are good at it.
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Iroku Mata
Minmatar
Endovelicus Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:40:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Professor Leech
Well if that's the case why do you write like a 14 year old? You really should go back to sniffing glue on the street corner.
What¦s your problem pseudo-Professor Leech? You are making one of "the inteligent one"? I¦m a "special-one", or are you thinking all intelectual and scientific world is in USA or UK? Dont need to talk english to rule my world, aswell I can understand 5 languages and speak, reading, and writing perfectly 2 of them, english is obviously not under that 2.
Now, STFU and enjoy the entertainment that I enjoy 4 years now.
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Dray
Caldari
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:55:00 -
[108]
We really need a clinic to be setup to treat people afflicted with the terrible malady "Jade Constantine-itis".
This terrible malady has 4 major symptons.
1. Glass Stomach. (basically with your head stuck up your own @rse you need a glass stomach to see where your going).
2. The ability to use 20 words where only 1 would be necessary.
3. The complete and utter belief you're completely unbiased and objective with your subject matter.
4. The ability to talk the black off Mugabe.
The last symptom was provided by Evil Edna, his research in the field of sharp one liners was very important in helping find and confirm sufferers of "Jade Constantine-itis".
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:15:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 19/05/2008 12:15:47
does everyone reading these forums suffer some form of attention-deficit disorder?
more than half of the replies read like something out of Mike Judge's 'idiocracy', where a person speaking in regular, complete sentences is accused of 'talking like a f@g'
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:18:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Dray
3. The complete and utter belief you're completely unbiased and objective with your subject matter.
Wouldn't be me then, I'm totally-biased.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
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Habraka
Canes Pugnaces
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:48:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
does everyone reading these forums suffer some form of attention-deficit disorder?
Almost everyone, yes. Most people probably didn't read the OP, so they try and look 'leet' posting tl;dr.
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Der Pfaffe
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:39:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Habraka
Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
does everyone reading these forums suffer some form of attention-deficit disorder?
Almost everyone, yes. Most people probably didn't read the OP, so they try and look 'leet' posting tl;dr.
I read it all before I posted. Still didn't change that fact that it's a load of biased uninformed bollix...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:52:00 -
[113]
It was an okay post on balance. Obviously spiced with propaganda and biased in its own interest but was better than the usual CAOD diet. Interesting really in the subtle undertone of desperation from the goonswarm perspective if you read between the lines. I'd give it a 6/10 and would probably read again.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:52:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Habraka
Almost everyone, yes. Most people probably didn't read the OP, so they try and look 'leet' posting tl;dr.
Actually most people probably read it, then posted tl;dr in an attemp to look clever.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:10:00 -
[115]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Habraka
Almost everyone, yes. Most people probably didn't read the OP, so they try and look 'leet' posting tl;dr.
Actually most people probably read it, then posted tl;dr in an attemp to look clever.
I'd go with, most ppl got through the 1st post(s) and got bored..
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BillyBong2
Amarr
COLD-Wing
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:50:00 -
[116]
Nice read and I did read the entire thing
http://coldwing.100luz.com.ar/board/ |
Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:35:00 -
[117]
James... JAAAAMEEES.....
shut up!
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Kyle Frost
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:35:00 -
[118]
Originally by: EnacheV1
Originally by: James 315
Given the level of esteem in which I am held by the Eve community
Clown
Pure win ! Thread over
P.S. "The level of esteem in which i am..." muhahhahahahahaaa !!! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahaha Hey Mister High Esteem - i want to see the cannonball man ! Please ?!
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Orree
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:51:00 -
[119]
Fairly entertaining read...beats the hell out of most of the drivel that gets posted here, whether you agree with it or not.
I actually re-read one of the earlier threads linked within it and came across something that would have been interesting to watch had it happened...
http://eve-search.com/thread/537551/page/all#151
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
PR0PAGANDA
Gallente
Raging Emo
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:14:00 -
[120]
Originally by: James 315
But the MC took no joy in its impending victory. Instead, all it was capable of experiencing was fear. They knew that their previous loyalty to BoB had earned them many enemies among the Coalition. Goons openly spoke of how they would destroy the MC once BoB was gone. And everyone knew Evil Thug thirsted for MC blood. With each Coalition success, the MC grew more concerned about what would happen after BoB died.
At once, the MC realized how foolish the "Tortugan" plan to secure Period Basis was. The YACAODI1MAC plan would have them go up north and secure space of their own, while Seleene's plan was to remain in service to BoB forever. Tortuga was a compromise plan with all of the perils of staying in the south and none of the advantages of going north. No matter what happened in the GWoPRAtEToBoB, the MC would be surrounded by its enemies. Now BoB, which had once ruled over the MC, became a necessary buffer between the Coalition and the MC.
The MC became consumed by cowardice once more. It did the unthinkable. It switched sides. Again.
The MC informed leaders of the Coalition that it would not take part in the multiple-front attack against Delve, only minutes before it was scheduled to take place. The MC crawled back to BoB on its belly and attacked the Coalition, hoping to prove that it could be loyal to BoB once again. To the MC's utter amazement, SirMolle informed them that they had doomed themselves to destruction with their first betrayal. It was the only logical response: Period Basis had always been one of BoB's core regions.
Once losing the capacity to launch multiple-front invasions of Delve, the Coalition could not prevent BoB from packing target systems with titans, recreating Titan Online and preventing the front from advancing. Once again, the MC was gripped by terror: what if BoB pushed southward? The MC, after betraying both the Coalition and BoB, did what was now thinkable (only for them): they switched sides yet again. But deep down, the MC knew they had placed themselves in an impossible position, and they lacked the heart to continue fighting BoB. Besides, they could not realistically count on the trust of the Coalition after so much side-hopping.
The Mercenary Coalition had no true friends, and it had enemies on every side. In the irony of ironies, the Mercenary Coalition had truly become what it had always pretended to be: neutral. The MC no doubt could have continued, but this would have required a sliver of courage and independence.
The Mercenary Coalition became a neutral coalition of mercenaries. Finding such a state bizarre and intolerable, Seleene had the alliance commit ritual suicide and close its doors.
While I criticized Seleene's eulogy of the MC, it was oddly appropriate. By making a vain attempt to prostrate himself before BoB, Seleene ensured that the MC would die as it had lived: in abject cowardice.
As for the north? As YACAODI1MAC prophesied, the destinies of the MC and Triumvirate were intertwined. By making the wrong decision and moving south, the MC deprived Triumvirate of the powerful ally it needed to survive and conquer the north. Just days after the MC closed its doors, Triumvirate, heralded by so many as the next great power, closed its own.
And what of the "Mynas factor," the remnant of the "greed" and independent spirit that smoldered in the MC, suppressed beneath the cowardly leadership of the alliance? Will they find themselves wandering into the northern reaches of space, looking for the homeland that Seleene denied them so long ago? Will they act as the seeds of a great new northern empire that existed only in an alternate path of history?
Perhaps. But that is a story, my dear CAOD reader, that must wait to be told another day.
- 315
in one of your other novels didnt you say bob was going to die to the goons and give a discription of how and why?
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Belgari0n
Gallente
Senate and People of Rome
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.05.19 22:51:00 -
[121]
Great post from a Goon, actually provided history that I can mostly believe from a person who came in half way through the war. |
Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 01:24:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
It was an okay post on balance. Obviously spiced with propaganda and biased in its own interest but was better than the usual CAOD diet. Interesting really in the subtle undertone of desperation from the goonswarm perspective if you read between the lines. I'd give it a 6/10 and would probably read again.
A succint analysis by Jade of a 7-pages goon post. The end is nigh !
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 02:51:00 -
[123]
sorry, but tl;dr
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 07:32:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Victor Vision
Edited by: Victor Vision on 18/05/2008 20:22:39
Originally by: Seleene
To insinuate that I would ever leave my corp is laughable.
Ha! Ha! Hear me laugh.
Your most cowardly action was your theft of the infamous Bling-athron BPO from your corp.
Eventually they will kick you out because of this.
Do not deny your theft. I have proof. 
Damn it, I suspected he has been taking ships, fuel and ammo from the corp all this time!!!
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Weeman
Caldari
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.20 09:31:00 -
[125]
A surprisingly well written load of twaddle
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Fendragun
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:32:00 -
[126]
wasted 10 minutes of my life :|
absolute trash, you should write for the daily mail.
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Former DICE ceo
Former ATUK director
Former MACE ceo
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 11:03:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Orree
Fairly entertaining read...beats the hell out of most of the drivel that gets posted here, whether you agree with it or not.
It might be an entertaining read, but that still doesnt make this the creative writting section.. I'm sure discussing random person's long winded day dreams is great and all that.. but.. mueh...
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x-CA (OMEGA/BOS)
x-.5.(ATUK)
BOB (DICE) |
ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 11:52:00 -
[128]
I must agree with you James. Perspective is something you do not have in great supply.
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 12:28:00 -
[129]
Originally by: James 315
But I guess the reason why people always look to me instead is that in addition to being a member of Goonfleet, I am also completely objective. Most participants in the GWoPRAtEToBoB have some sort of agenda because they want one side or the other to win, and their bias is reflected in their posts. I, too, want someone to win--like all Eve, I recognize that BoB must be destroyed--but I am unbiased because rather than speaking from a "perspective," I simply tell it like it is.
I stopped reading after the first whopping great lie and decided it was going to be exactly like all of the posts by James 90210 - two-bit propaganda.
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In General
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.05.20 12:34:00 -
[130]
Jolly good read, made me lol.
And he is right in that MC managed to tarnish a reputation that could have been epic. But his conclusion that it was cowardice may be wrong; it could easily have been plain stupidity.
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.05.20 12:47:00 -
[131]
Good read. All the BoB people who think it is rubbish should explain why BoB failing to finish off their enemies long before they were pushed into their last region is different from their successfull defense of Delve.
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Natas Dog
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:22:00 -
[132]
Good read James. I liked your work before you were a goon, and it's good to see you haven't given them up even though you've picked a side. It's funny how many ****posters come crawling out of the woodwork when you make these 4000 word walls of text to claim that you couldn't be any more wrong, without explaining what exactly was wrong with your analysis.
I'd be interested in seeing a less biased analysis coming from anyone in direct opposition to you. Like any other propagandist, they'll be sure to downplay or outright ignore their failures whilst playing up their successes. Such is the way of CAOD.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:35:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Natas Dog
It's funny how many ****posters come crawling out of the woodwork when you make these 4000 word walls of text to claim that you couldn't be any more wrong, without explaining what exactly was wrong with your analysis.
I feel you pain here dude.. goonfleet is the target of too many ****posters.. you should consider asking CCP to nerf ****posters, as they are obviously overpowered..
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Smith
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:55:00 -
[134]
His whole wall of text post is basically one big smack. Molle posts are arrogant but thats the way BOB rolls. This James dude is just a bitter troll with a big chip on his shoulder.
He has tried to construct his post in a sort of diagnosis of what he has seen and what he thinks others are thinking and then just cemented the whole lot together with smack. I will give credit where credit is due but this post doesnt deserve any. It was just a hostile nasty post tbh.
Good job if that was his objective.
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.05.20 14:02:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Smith
His whole wall of text post is basically one big smack. Molle posts are arrogant but thats the way BOB rolls. This James dude is just a bitter troll with a big chip on his shoulder.
Ah, the concentrated essence of BoB. When we do it it's cool and awesome, when you do the same it proves how useless you are.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:11:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 20/05/2008 15:13:58
A good read. But a work of historical fiction and biography without interviewing the participants can never accurately reflect their positions.
The real story is both more complicated and less dramatic. It was a year full of missed opportunities which many of the participants recognized were such at the time yet events had their tide to keep them out of reach.
EVERY argument for and against each of these decisions was played out within MC's ever changing second tier of leadership. Sometimes quietly, often noisily, but increasingly divisively.
Groups, sometimes even corps, didn't want BOB blue or to shoot BOB, Goons blue or to shoot Goons, to conquer the North or to leave the North, to hold the Period Basis or to leave Period Basis, to own space or to leave space. Sometimes its a wonder that anything got done at all.
MC is gone. Its corps have diverged off in completely different directions. Some will thrive, others will fail. When we were united around a common purpose, we were marvellous and could literally level entire empires. I'll remember the good times, and hopefully learn from the bad.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:12:00 -
[137]
People who really are unbiased don't go out of their way and point it out.
EVE History Wiki
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:19:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Natas Dog
Good read James. I liked your work before you were a goon, and it's good to see you haven't given them up even though you've picked a side. It's funny how many ****posters come crawling out of the woodwork when you make these 4000 word walls of text to claim that you couldn't be any more wrong, without explaining what exactly was wrong with your analysis.
I'd be interested in seeing a less biased analysis coming from anyone in direct opposition to you. Like any other propagandist, they'll be sure to downplay or outright ignore their failures whilst playing up their successes. Such is the way of CAOD.
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Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:30:00 -
[139]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Natas Dog
Good read James. I liked your work before you were a goon, and it's good to see you haven't given them up even though you've picked a side. It's funny how many ****posters come crawling out of the woodwork when you make these 4000 word walls of text to claim that you couldn't be any more wrong, without explaining what exactly was wrong with your analysis.
I'd be interested in seeing a less biased analysis coming from anyone in direct opposition to you. Like any other propagandist, they'll be sure to downplay or outright ignore their failures whilst playing up their successes. Such is the way of CAOD.
I think all failures dwarf next to the epic failure of the coalition in Delve. I mean seriously.
I'd challenge that thought with the loss of Deathtear's titan tbqh.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:44:00 -
[140]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Natas Dog
Good read James. I liked your work before you were a goon, and it's good to see you haven't given them up even though you've picked a side. It's funny how many ****posters come crawling out of the woodwork when you make these 4000 word walls of text to claim that you couldn't be any more wrong, without explaining what exactly was wrong with your analysis.
I'd be interested in seeing a less biased analysis coming from anyone in direct opposition to you. Like any other propagandist, they'll be sure to downplay or outright ignore their failures whilst playing up their successes. Such is the way of CAOD.
I think all failures dwarf next to the epic failure of the coalition in Delve. I mean seriously.
I don't agree. I reckon BOB and the GBC's failure to finish Goons when they were already packing to move out, D2's collapse, and MC's failure to defend a single station with more than a couple of ships ranks up there with it. But they were all for the same reason. Its a game - and the will to play in crap game mechanics waxes and wanes.
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padraig animal
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:52:00 -
[141]
epic for sure : )
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Moe Sczyzlak
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:24:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Hellaciouss
Edited by: Hellaciouss on 19/05/2008 00:37:16
Originally by: Florio
a better title would have been "300 minutes" warning people how long it would take them to read it.
deadtear kinda makes your post lol though.
i got bored and stopped reading it after the 1st page, but i'm sure it was all very interesting.
There are about 4500 words. Assuming you aren't half ******** and can read at the very minimum of 300 words a minute (fairly low reading level). It would have taken around 15 minutes to read only his posts. At least try to exaggerate well.
....oh, you're in BoB. Lol, I shoulda known. 15 words a minute is probably pretty high for someone in BoB.
You got him good there, *chuckles*
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hmmmmmmmm
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:43:00 -
[143]
bla,bla,bob,bla,bla,bla,bob,bob,bob.bla,bla,bob,bla,bla mc.bla,bla,bob.bla ,bla.....
sum:bobsucks,gooons are great bljahhhh |
William DeMeo
Gallente
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:01:00 -
[144]
Very well written smack, and I do sense a bit of humor in there somewhere.
Yarr |
Thrass
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:11:00 -
[145]
great read
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E Vile
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:44:00 -
[146]
Edited by: E Vile on 20/05/2008 21:44:46
Originally by: Culbrik
Nice read, cheers :) To bad Roadkill (the new goons) will want to spoil it :P
New goons? How the hell do we get dragged into this post?
Is this somehow reference to when MC failed in FVCKAS space?
Take your "new goon" comment and shove it.
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Raem Civrie
Firma Civrie
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Posted - 2008.05.20 22:09:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 20/05/2008 22:11:46
Nice read.
I loved the vain irony.
It's hardly objective, but it's about as fair and balanced as you get on CAOD. Somewhere between the random propaganda and coloured recollections on this forum lies some semblance of accuracy.
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Turin
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 22:54:00 -
[148]
Most people have no idea why we really turned on BOB. Most dont really care either, and if confronted with the real reasons, im sure, would tell us they werent the REAL reasons.
Dont assume you know the whole story based on outside writeups. There was a lot more to it than goonie dude wrote about. But no one wants to hear the truth, cause people like to bash to much on here. Anything that might take ammo away from that is ignored.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 23:22:00 -
[149]
Originally by: TWD
I think all failures dwarf next to the epic failure of the coalition in Delve. I mean seriously.
CFS for life right?
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Dmitri Vasso
Nomads
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:28:00 -
[150]
That was an amazing read, thank you. Good recall of everything that happened around and about the last year or so, kinda like a summary of most decent forum posts through-out the months. A very long summary.
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Curx
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:43:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Curx on 21/05/2008 00:45:05
Edited by: Curx on 21/05/2008 00:44:24
Originally by: Turin
Most people have no idea why we really turned on BOB. Most dont really care either, and if confronted with the real reasons, im sure, would tell us they werent the REAL reasons.
Dont assume you know the whole story based on outside writeups. There was a lot more to it than goonie dude wrote about. But no one wants to hear the truth, cause people like to bash to much on here. Anything that might take ammo away from that is ignored.
Dont tell me you just now realized that caod is anything else then smack, tabloid argument and opinions and drama epic famous one liners.
Give ppl what they want, you know the cliche from Roman times in Europe, give the ppl bread and circus.
Eve is as damn Circus which ppl pay $15 each month and caod is the bonus feature. Everyones RL problems gets canalized into a post they can post without using their brain and don't have any repercussions but a 3 day forum ban at the worst.
About what you're trying to say. I have no damn clue, and i'm sorry you just realized thats what most don't have, a clue.
Just remember its a damn game on the inet meant for recreation, and nothing meant to be taken seriously or more of your time when you exit the game. Its plenty frustrated no life morons who love to try and get others worked up b/c of pixels on a screen b/c of their own personal issues.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.21 01:25:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 21/05/2008 01:26:07
enjoyable post - i dont concern myself with all that 0.0 guff so its probably all lies but it was well written if a little vindictive.
SKUNK
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Tansien
Amarr
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 05:12:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 20/05/2008 15:13:58
A good read. But a work of historical fiction and biography without interviewing the participants can never accurately reflect their positions.
The real story is both more complicated and less dramatic. It was a year full of missed opportunities which many of the participants recognized were such at the time yet events had their tide to keep them out of reach.
EVERY argument for and against each of these decisions was played out within MC's ever changing second tier of leadership. Sometimes quietly, often noisily, but increasingly divisively.
Groups, sometimes even corps, didn't want BOB blue or to shoot BOB, Goons blue or to shoot Goons, to conquer the North or to leave the North, to hold the Period Basis or to leave Period Basis, to own space or to leave space. Sometimes its a wonder that anything got done at all.
MC is gone. Its corps have diverged off in completely different directions. Some will thrive, others will fail. When we were united around a common purpose, we were marvellous and could literally level entire empires. I'll remember the good times, and hopefully learn from the bad.
Please just speak for yourself from now on - the rest of us need not be included in your diatribe nor suffer from further embarassment as a result of your blatherings. It was bad enough having to put up with you while being in MC especially since you failed to understand the independent corp concept.
MC (of past glory) will always exist in memory therefore it is not 'gone'. Can you not at least respect what Seleene had accomplished and keep your trap shut?
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F9X
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[154]
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 08:52:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Tansien
Please just speak for yourself from now on - the rest of us need not be included in your diatribe nor suffer from further embarassment as a result of your blatherings. It was bad enough having to put up with you while being in MC especially since you failed to understand the independent corp concept.
I asked a few ex-MC who you were, because I couldn't remember you ... I got the same puzzled answer from all of them ... "wtf is Tansien?"
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CARY
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 12:59:00 -
[156]
I HAVE TO ADMIT.................... The Map does tell the story, just looking at the EVE map will tells the real story who really won this war....GOONSWARM and Its Allies won this. BOB lives only where it begin now, Far back into Delve. All of BOB and its pets Old regions are now control by GOONS and Friends.
SO? This really ends the question of who won, BOB lives, but GOONSWARM WON!
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.21 13:05:00 -
[157]
Originally by: CARY
I HAVE TO ADMIT.................... The Map does tell the story, just looking at the EVE map will tells the real story who really won this war....GOONSWARM and Its Allies won this. BOB lives only where it begin now, Far back into Delve. All of BOB and its pets Old regions are now control by GOONS and Friends.
SO? This really ends the question of who won, BOB lives, but GOONSWARM WON!
Congratulations!
What was your favorite part of the Delve campaign? |
Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.05.21 14:39:00 -
[158]
Originally by: TWD
What was your favorite part of the Delve campaign?
for me, personally, it was making Siddy cry about not being able to login his carrier.
no, wait, that was second best. best part was galavet self-destructing his.
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Sergara Darkthorn
Grumpy Old Farts
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:28:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Sergara Darkthorn on 21/05/2008 16:30:06
Quote:
Given the level of esteem in which I am held by the Eve community
James 315.. A legend in his own lunchtime
TL, DR most of it... self rightous claptrap is usually reserved for tyrants and religous fanatics chum
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:37:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Edited by: Marko Zhang on 21/05/2008 14:49:46
Originally by: TWD
What was your favorite part of the Delve campaign?
for me, personally, it was making Siddy cry about not being able to login his carrier.
no, wait, that was second best. best part was galavet self-destructing his.
almost forgot, you guys getting DD'd repeatedly inside your POS shields.
that was funny.
However, Siddy got saved in the end. That is all that mattered. |
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:37:00 -
[161]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Edited by: Marko Zhang on 21/05/2008 14:49:46
Originally by: TWD
What was your favorite part of the Delve campaign?
for me, personally, it was making Siddy cry about not being able to login his carrier.
no, wait, that was second best. best part was galavet self-destructing his.
almost forgot, you guys getting DD'd repeatedly inside your POS shields.
that was funny.
However, Siddy got saved in the end. That is all that mattered.
perhaps.. perhaps.. but his tears were delicious
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A Zen Koan: BoB come to system, lag was very bad.
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Dazhbog
Psuedointellectuals
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:39:00 -
[162]
Originally by: CARY
I HAVE TO ADMIT.................... The Map does tell the story, just looking at the EVE map will tells the real story who really won this war....GOONSWARM and Its Allies won this. BOB lives only where it begin now, Far back into Delve. All of BOB and its pets Old regions are now control by GOONS and Friends.
SO? This really ends the question of who won, BOB lives, but GOONSWARM WON!
never stop posting
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Adm Tecumseh
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:06:00 -
[163]
Such amazing eloquence,
But it reminds me of a phrase made famous by Peanut (Jeff Dunham, Ventriloquist)
you can polish a terd, it is still a terd.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:08:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
you can polish a terd, it is still a terd.
how could you possibly spell 'turd' wrong?
oh, you're in DICE.
that explains it.
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Adm Tecumseh
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:09:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Atari Snr
1st...
to actually read it i bet, good read as allways, however, are u sure ur not jade C's alt? :)
No he is another in a long line of bitter ASCN wannabes.
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Adm Tecumseh
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:10:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
you can polish a terd, it is still a terd.
how could you possibly spell 'turd' wrong?
oh, you're in DICE.
that explains it.
Guess it depends on which part of "the south" you come from.
Since it is not a real word you spell it your way and I will spell it mine.
****head.
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agentsmitty
Tenacious Danes
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:57:00 -
[167]
yet a good read, Thanks James 315
~Mr funkadelic
Alt of Mr Funkadelic |
Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:16:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Tansien
Please just speak for yourself from now on - the rest of us need not be included in your diatribe nor suffer from further embarassment as a result of your blatherings. It was bad enough having to put up with you while being in MC especially since you failed to understand the independent corp concept.
I asked a few ex-MC who you were, because I couldn't remember you ... I got the same puzzled answer from all of them ... "wtf is Tansien?"
Maybe you should have asked outside your own corp. Looking at the kb might have helped you out a bit as well.
Then again you always came across to be completely self centered and self serving so it is not a surprise at all. Best and most memorable example was when you interferred in a roaming gang on ts by trying to dictate to the gang's FC what to do when we were 30 jumps out from your location. You had to be kicked from ts since you didn't get the message from the rest of us to mind your own business and **** off.
My original point was for you to accept your 'epic' failure and stfu. A good number of us predicted it would happen; then it did, but rather than be all emo and vocal about it we kept to ourselves like true professionals. Leave the past be and move on.
End of discussion. You aren't worth the time or effort just like you weren't worth listening to when you 'declared control' for so called 'important ops'.
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Dirtball
PinK TacO Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:44:00 -
[169]
How come there is no write ins for CSM you'd get all 5 of my votes. |
Tampika Svenyika
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:33:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Tansien
Please just speak for yourself from now on - the rest of us need not be included in your diatribe nor suffer from further embarassment as a result of your blatherings. It was bad enough having to put up with you while being in MC especially since you failed to understand the independent corp concept.
I asked a few ex-MC who you were, because I couldn't remember you ... I got the same puzzled answer from all of them ... "wtf is Tansien?"
Maybe you should have asked outside your own corp. Looking at the kb might have helped you out a bit as well.
Then again you always came across to be completely self centered and self serving so it is not a surprise at all. Best and most memorable example was when you interferred in a roaming gang on ts by trying to dictate to the gang's FC what to do when we were 30 jumps out from your location. You had to be kicked from ts since you didn't get the message from the rest of us to mind your own business and **** off.
My original point was for you to accept your 'epic' failure and stfu. A good number of us predicted it would happen; then it did, but rather than be all emo and vocal about it we kept to ourselves like true professionals. Leave the past be and move on.
End of discussion. You aren't worth the time or effort just like you weren't worth listening to when you 'declared control' for so called 'important ops'.
HEY MYNAS LED YOU TO GLORY AND RICHES IN PERIOD BASIS HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO HIM LIKE THAT!
Remember all those ops he lead, all the pos's he saved, all the pos's he reinforced? Remember!!!!
No, near do I. |
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ChoppinBrocolli
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:27:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Tampika Svenyika
near
nor |
Armor Tank
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:02:00 -
[172]
Originally by: ChoppinBrocolli
Originally by: Tampika Svenyika
near
nor
neither |
Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:02:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Taurequis on 22/05/2008 11:03:13
Hi,
Actually enjoyed reading that. Thanks. I wouldnt press the "i'm not bias" angle so much...
As for reading the replys, this tl;dr stuff actually had me having to look up geek speak dictionaries.
This definition made me laugh...
Quote:
TL;DR
"Too Long; Didn't Read" - a shining example of the sweeping Attention Deficit Disorder pandemic that seems to have embraced our society. Usually said by people who a) have never read a book, b) have no logical retort, c) want an easy laugh, or any combination of the three.
Thats the problem with this board, too many people who can't be arsed to read or post anything other then mindless spam just to get their names seen on a public forum.
Best Regards,
Taur |
ChoppinBrocolli
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:17:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Taurequis
Edited by: Taurequis on 22/05/2008 11:03:13
Hi,
Actually enjoyed reading that. Thanks. I wouldnt press the "i'm not bias" angle so much...
As for reading the replys, this tl;dr stuff actually had me having to look up geek speak dictionaries.
This definition made me laugh...
Quote:
TL;DR
"Too Long; Didn't Read" - a shining example of the sweeping Attention Deficit Disorder pandemic that seems to have embraced our society. Usually said by people who a) have never read a book, b) have no logical retort, c) want an easy laugh, or any combination of the three.
Thats the problem with this board, too many people who can't be arsed to read or post anything other then mindless spam just to get their names seen on a public forum.
Best Regards,
Taur
what |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:31:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2008 11:34:14
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
I asked a few ex-MC who you were, because I couldn't remember you ... I got the same puzzled answer from all of them ... "wtf is Tansien?"
Maybe you should have asked outside your own corp. Looking at the kb might have helped you out a bit as well.
I did. Even someone from CONIN had to think for a moment. I think you made my point for me thought. Killboards normally only measure one thing .. activity and participation. My covops alt got more kills than that. And MANY more losses too
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:38:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
My covops alt got more kills than that. And MANY more losses too
Thulsa Doom > Your Covert Ops Alt.
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Kun6 Fu
KSI
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:00:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2008 11:34:14
Killboards normally only measure one thing .. activity and participation.
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Siminuria
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:46:00 -
[178]
What un unbelievably long rambling train of spite. Is there actually any story about the MC behind that towering wall of Bob hate you built?
Now, hating bob is nothing new or unique and I might have given you some respect for saying so with a certain elan had you not spoiled it all by coupling I-hate-Bob with Bob-are-lame.
I would write a great rambling reply about like-them-or-hate-them-bob-are-awesome but;
1) It's sunny outside so I'm going to go play.
b) It's been done so many times before and if you still havn't understood this then I doubt anything I could write would open your mind to the truth.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:24:00 -
[179]
Once again James, very well written.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:34:00 -
[180]
Nice post, not 100% accurate, but there's a lot of truth in there and well put.
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:25:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Nice post, not 100% accurate, but there's a lot of truth in there and well put.
D:
Quote:
SirMolle proudly announced, "We have come full circle and are back to where we began, only fiercer, sleeker, quicker and simply sexier than we were two years ago." Such a claim should not go untested. I have seen photos taken at various BoB barbecues and functions. Since they are still images, I cannot speak to the fierceness or quickness of the BoB members in attendance. However, I will say that the words "sleek" and "sexy" are not those which come most readily to mind.
In other words, he's calling us nerds. I take offense to that kind of stuff.
Maybe we cannot be the supermodels that the goons are. However, we are still people, you know. |
mamolian
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 23:06:00 -
[182]
Edited by: mamolian on 22/05/2008 23:07:50
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
My covops alt got more kills than that. And MANY more losses too
Chowdown > Your Covert Ops Alt.
Amirite? We all roared laughing that night!
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Ms DaisyMae
Burning Bush Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:17:00 -
[183]
ITT BoB has the attention span of a % year old with ADD and can't read the post.
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Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:33:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2008 11:34:14
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
I asked a few ex-MC who you were, because I couldn't remember you ... I got the same puzzled answer from all of them ... "wtf is Tansien?"
Maybe you should have asked outside your own corp. Looking at the kb might have helped you out a bit as well.
I did. Even someone from CONIN had to think for a moment. I think you made my point for me thought. Killboards normally only measure one thing .. activity and participation. My covops alt got more kills than that. And MANY more losses too
Ah yes Mynas, it lead into a very interesting discussion we had in corp chat this morning. I only mention it since you make yet another fail attempt. So here is a nice snippet:
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:04 ] Loomina > sheesh Tans...what are you on ?
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:09 ] xBeneGesseritx > tans how come mynas does not remember you :)
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:13 ] Tansien > what do you mean?
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:21 ] Loomina > or are you doing a Paper on this subject ?
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:22 ] Tansien > mynas is a twit
So anything else you want to make up while you are at it? Not like you have any credibility left.
Well on that note did you have any credibility to begin with? When I had joined CONIN there were already quite a few people who referred to you as 'Mynas wormtongue'.... (At first I actually thought you were just a LOTR fan and used it as a nickname but after a bunch of your ramblings the reason became perfectly clear)
I think it is summed up best from the post from the Tampika above; it isn't like you can actually come through on anything you commit to do. I can't think of any good you did other than being the sole reason for my vote on whether we should leave MC at the time.
Anyhow, enough spewage as your record speaks for itself.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:18:00 -
[185]
Originally by: James 315
But I digress. I have not even gotten to the MC eulogy yet, and over-long posts are a pet peeve of mine, so I will wrap this up:
Wow, 5 posts after that comment is wrapping it up? I am glad we got the short version.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:30:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Vily on 23/05/2008 15:36:00
Edited by: Vily on 23/05/2008 15:30:59
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 22/05/2008 11:34:14
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
I asked a few ex-MC who you were, because I couldn't remember you ... I got the same puzzled answer from all of them ... "wtf is Tansien?"
Maybe you should have asked outside your own corp. Looking at the kb might have helped you out a bit as well.
I did. Even someone from CONIN had to think for a moment. I think you made my point for me thought. Killboards normally only measure one thing .. activity and participation. My covops alt got more kills than that. And MANY more losses too
Ah yes Mynas, it lead into a very interesting discussion we had in corp chat this morning. I only mention it since you make yet another fail attempt. So here is a nice snippet:
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:04 ] Loomina > sheesh Tans...what are you on ?
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:09 ] xBeneGesseritx > tans how come mynas does not remember you :)
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:13 ] Tansien > what do you mean?
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:21 ] Loomina > or are you doing a Paper on this subject ?
[ 2008.05.22 10:45:22 ] Tansien > mynas is a twit
So anything else you want to make up while you are at it? Not like you have any credibility left.
Well on that note did you have any credibility to begin with? When I had joined CONIN there were already quite a few people who referred to you as 'Mynas wormtongue'.... (At first I actually thought you were just a LOTR fan and used it as a nickname but after a bunch of your ramblings the reason became perfectly clear)
I think it is summed up best from the post from the Tampika above; it isn't like you can actually come through on anything you commit to do. I can't think of any good you did other than being the sole reason for my vote on whether we should leave MC at the time.
Anyhow, enough spewage as your record speaks for itself.
Tansien, I always made it a point to do my best to remember anyone i fly with in MC, i remembered you from a few gangs but not alot.
firstly you claim that because loomy and bene(two of conin's most active members) <3 loomy, that his statement was a lie, however he didn't paraphrase that with WHO he had talked to. and all he said was that it took them some time to think who you were not that they didn't know you.
Secondly, Until the Tortuga announcement nonbody had the creativity to come up with Mynas Wormtounge. that was a bob thing, (i think it was bob) that had from what i'd seen never been used before that.... so now who's lying?
Thirdly, its pretty standard to assume that mynas did nothing. however, his involvment in those trivial things like fueling pos's, co-ordination fuel and logisitcs, building supercapitals and so on, obviously provided no benefit to MC at all, and nothing that a pro-raider like yourself would ever have benefited from.
His record does speak for himself, as he is now like the ultimate excuse for the end of MC, however YOUR record speaks for itself, and in your year or so in MC i see barely enough kills to warrant a few weeks of activity, and THAT trait, amongst many so called pro-pvpers was a larger part (in my opinion) of why MC failed
should i even mention the fact you dont have a SINGLE kill as tansien (i'll hope you have an alt) on the contraband killboard?
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:18:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 23/05/2008 17:19:28
Originally by: Tansien
Not like you have any credibility left.
Well on that note did you have any credibility to begin with? When I had joined CONIN there were already quite a few people who referred to you as 'Mynas wormtongue'....
I think it is summed up best from the post from the Tampika above; it isn't like you can actually come through on anything you commit to do. I can't think of any good you did other than being the sole reason for my vote on whether we should leave MC at the time.
Anyhow, enough spewage as your record speaks for itself.
Here is a quick set of questions for Tansien on planning and commitment. Just rhetorical .. you can answer them on your own forums.
Which corp came up with the Tortuga plan?
a) BDCI
b) CONIN
C) ETNY
d) FRICK
e) SERA
Which corp quit MC before Tortuga was defeated?
a) BDCI
b) CONIN
c) ETNY
d) FRICK
e) SERA
Which corp DIDN'T successfully complete their Titan build as a result of Tortuga's collapse
a) BDCI
b) CONIN
c) ETNY
d) FRICK
Tansien .. you really DON'T want to go on with this. Especially as you are happy to boast about how often you were 30 jumps from the fights and the logistics that YOUR leader set us on course to.
Myn
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DeBleu14
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:20:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Iroku Mata
James you simply... SUCKS...
wanna be polite? Beginn in your own Forum and TS...
Today you lost your first Titan... the next will be shortly down!
YOU WILL DIE GOONS
NO
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Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:36:00 -
[189]
Vily, you are a good kid (although one might contest it referring to your knack of suiciding gangs as FC) so it would be best to stay out of this. Don't get dragged in because mynas has no other support and is desperately looking for some backing since there are so many saying 'I told you so'...(as for the wormtongue thing, I actually first heard it from someone in another MC corp to remain nameless)
Mynas has had this coming for quite a while now and rather than accept his epic failure by slithering back under the rock from which he came, he has opted to playing the blame game pointing at everyone else. Had he just kept his yap shut, it would have been left alone. Must be one of those 'excellent leadership traits' he brought over from ISS.
Since I am unable to play eve due to rl restrictions I can still 'stay in the game' with some forum poasting. And since I absolutely despised mynas while we were in MC (but was suppressed from extolling the obvious idiocy exhibited by this individual) this should be quite entertaining.
So first off, my views only represent myself and make no claim in representing anyone else's views although they may still be shared by a great number of people. I make no claims of speaking on others behalf and support individualism. Second, I was only a grunt in CONIN, still only a grunt in CONIN, only wanted to be a grunt in CONIN and have nothing to do with the leadership other than if asked about my opinion on mynas for which I will respond with 'the guy is a creton and has the strategic mindset of a puffer fish'. I am still of the opinion that if my recommendation of sacrificing mynas under a bus was given some more merit then MC wouldn't have disintegrated.
With that out of the way, in response to your questions mynas, I pose these:
What relevance do those questions have about anything? More specifically, what relevance do they have to your 'epic failure'?
Maybe I will give you some help seeing as you are a little slow to figure things out.
Answer for #1: Ultimately it gave you the opening to manipulate MC to try and become a replacement for ISS, something you had yearned for since its' epic failure.
Answer for #2: Must try and blame epic failure on the corp who saw it coming and left prior to epic failure occuring!@!!@@!!
Answer for #3: Duh, that was just a mess up as we were too oblivious to the notion that bob would ever attack us! Besides, it was only Krall's titan and not like he is hurting at all
And yeah mynas, I now do want to go on with this. (Added bonus - it will be fun and entertainment for the entire family!) Mainly because you are an idiot but also because the fall of MC was solely your fault. You running around thinking you had control of the alliance became an annoyance after the comedic value subsided - even to this day you still don't 'get' that the corps in MC were independent.
Just to cut you off at the pass, yes we did often avoid the impromptu 'alliance ops' by convieniantly being out in roaming gangs. You see, good leaders will attract those to the cause whereas poor ones will only cause resentment. Guess which one you are?
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:10:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Tansien
Vily, you are a good kid (although one might contest it referring to your knack of suiciding gangs as FC) so it would be best to stay out of this. Don't get dragged in because mynas has no other support and is desperately looking for some backing since there are so many saying 'I told you so'...(as for the wormtongue thing, I actually first heard it from someone in another MC corp to remain nameless)
i take pride in the fact i DON'T suicide fleets.
so... i call bull****, i would like some examples of my genius FC suicides.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:35:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Tansien
yes we did often avoid the impromptu 'alliance ops' by conveniently being out in roaming gangs.
We noticed.
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Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:38:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Tansien
Vily, you are a good kid (although one might contest it referring to your knack of suiciding gangs as FC) so it would be best to stay out of this. Don't get dragged in because mynas has no other support and is desperately looking for some backing since there are so many saying 'I told you so'...(as for the wormtongue thing, I actually first heard it from someone in another MC corp to remain nameless)
i take pride in the fact i DON'T suicide fleets.
so... i call bull****, i would like some examples of my genius FC suicides.
Aww Vily, your challenge shall be met...
March 8, 2008 when we were on contract against Pure. Your innate ability as FC got us trapped in Vale and rather than take some suggestions to go the long route out around, you had us twiddling our thumbs waiting for the opposition to gain position.
I remember it distinctly since it tarnished my k/d ratio. By like 33%. So go figure. After that experience it was deemed appropriate to use a cloak on a HAC if joining a gang for which you were the FC.
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
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Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:39:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Tansien
yes we did often avoid the impromptu 'alliance ops' by conveniently being out in roaming gangs.
We noticed.
So I guess we were right then eh?
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:54:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Vily on 23/05/2008 22:55:17
Edited by: Vily on 23/05/2008 22:54:02
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Tansien
Vily, you are a good kid (although one might contest it referring to your knack of suiciding gangs as FC) so it would be best to stay out of this. Don't get dragged in because mynas has no other support and is desperately looking for some backing since there are so many saying 'I told you so'...(as for the wormtongue thing, I actually first heard it from someone in another MC corp to remain nameless)
i take pride in the fact i DON'T suicide fleets.
so... i call bull****, i would like some examples of my genius FC suicides.
Aww Vily, your challenge shall be met...
March 8, 2008 when we were on contract against Pure. Your innate ability as FC got us trapped in Vale and rather than take some suggestions to go the long route out around, you had us twiddling our thumbs waiting for the opposition to gain position.
I remember it distinctly since it tarnished my k/d ratio. By like 33%. So go figure. After that experience it was deemed appropriate to use a cloak on a HAC if joining a gang for which you were the FC.
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
march 8th, the only fight i led on that date we won 13-1.
the battle in which you lost your ship i was not the FC until the very end when i showed up and promptly called targets and finished the hostiles rather well. That fight was shortly after the brackets if i recall and lag was beyond bad, however i'm sure you can give us a full recount from your opinion. I don't recall the situation that led up to it as i was afk in obe for that fight until the end when i got pinged over.
i can recall every detail of that fight, can you? (i also have limited fraps of the fight as well i think)
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R0ot
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:57:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Tansien
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
Tansien for the life of me I can't remember who you are. But wtf at the above comment, gief examples please. 
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Wraith foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:01:00 -
[196]
Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: Tansien
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
Tansien for the life of me I can't remember who you are. But wtf at the above comment, gief examples please.
I think it was pretty well known that etny was MC's attempt to bulk up a bit.. recruit and train newer players
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:03:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Wraith foc
Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: Tansien
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
Tansien for the life of me I can't remember who you are. But wtf at the above comment, gief examples please.
I think it was pretty well known that etny was MC's attempt to bulk up a bit.. recruit and train newer players
some truth to that, but to say we were goons? there are limits ;p
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Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:10:00 -
[198]
I remember it distinctly since it tarnished my k/d ratio. By like 33%.
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Wraith foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:12:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Wraith foc
Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: Tansien
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
Tansien for the life of me I can't remember who you are. But wtf at the above comment, gief examples please.
I think it was pretty well known that etny was MC's attempt to bulk up a bit.. recruit and train newer players
some truth to that, but to say we were goons? there are limits ;p
Goons arent hughly lower in skill level than their allies.. and prolly better logistically than many of them
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:48:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 23:48:31
Oh man I just want to give a shout out to all the dramaqueens in this thread. Respec knuckles
ps. I liked the post James
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.24 01:15:00 -
[201]
There is a lot of unspoken anger amongst ex-MC and I hope we can openly express it in public for lolz. I have smacked Mynas for ages and really enjoyed it. Smack is fun as it leads to fights which is even more fun for the victor.
First after Darius Johnson. I hear he is the Goons Queen bee. A real queen. Nice.
Lol, just messing with you, queenie
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Science'n'Industry
Science is the Key
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:03:00 -
[202]
Thanks for these 30 mins of entertainment, I don't know yet which part was better. James' Posting or the comments.
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Need something researched?
"Science is the Key" can do it
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RemusVI
Legion Federation
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 17:22:00 -
[203]
nice read long though but a fun read |
Abandon AllHope
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:11:00 -
[204]
This post is money. Thanks James 315! |
Cali Serrano
Baptism oF Fire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:20:00 -
[205]
Nice read. I even went and read as many of your previous posts as I could find. I find the posts ripping you for your "unbiased" comment ( obviously not true ) keep the humor rolling throught the next 3 or 4 pages. Interesting that you get a lot of props from a decent number BoB members. Think the best part is the ex-MC flame fight towards the end. Don't remember the T guys name but his attacks on Mynas and crew are amusing.
From an outside perspective, Myna's was passed the leadership of MC. Wether everyone agreed or not is not the question, but I believe that getting to that position and taking that role in MC, a corp that has the potential to remember in similar fashion to ASCN ( who were before my time ) if only for different reasons, shows that Mynas was fairly commited to MC and it's survival. Things didn't work out, that's life, especially in Eve (extra especially if you've recently ****ed of BoB and they're allowed to reorganize, regroup, and concentrate their forces without worrying about attacks elsewhere). |
Kweel Nakashyn
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:57:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 11/06/2008 22:57:34
Originally by: Iroku Mata
YOU WILL DIE GOONS
tbh, Bob could die before this multi-mmo community dies...
2isk
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Necronomicon
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:25:00 -
[207]
All hail the Necro!
KIA - Don't ask me, I was off grid.
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Jessica Watia
noQuarter.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:40:00 -
[208]
dare i say IBTL? |
Angelus X
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.12 00:56:00 -
[209]
Oh god , I went from Page 2 to 7 pm another one of James 315's excellent works of fiction (though people claiming it was a 'good write up for his POV etc.' when he says stuff like 'Given the level of esteem in which I am held by the Eve community' makes me lols, you think he's writing that bit too from his POV??..
only to discover...
This highly entertaining argument between a CONIN pilot and Mynas..
Well, we all know what a rubbish group of 'unknowns' CONIN are, and what an awesome leader Mynas is.... right?
Still, gotta applaud Mr.315 and the COAD population in general for 'biting' as they say?
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Eleese
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.12 01:25:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Tansien
Vily, you are a good kid (although one might contest it referring to your knack of suiciding gangs as FC) so it would be best to stay out of this. Don't get dragged in because mynas has no other support and is desperately looking for some backing since there are so many saying 'I told you so'...(as for the wormtongue thing, I actually first heard it from someone in another MC corp to remain nameless)
i take pride in the fact i DON'T suicide fleets.
so... i call bull****, i would like some examples of my genius FC suicides.
Aww Vily, your challenge shall be met...
March 8, 2008 when we were on contract against Pure. Your innate ability as FC got us trapped in Vale and rather than take some suggestions to go the long route out around, you had us twiddling our thumbs waiting for the opposition to gain position.
I remember it distinctly since it tarnished my k/d ratio. By like 33%. So go figure. After that experience it was deemed appropriate to use a cloak on a HAC if joining a gang for which you were the FC.
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
Please loomi/dri/dol anyone!!! shut this tool up he really has no clue.
Btw blaming myn for mc's demise is quite simply being fooled by Bob propaganda (very impressive propaganda btw as always lol), big decision within the mc were always made by Seleene or by vote of each corp's ceo.
To blame Mynas is to use a scape goat rather than having the balls to take responsibility. Seleene to his credit has taken fair part of the blame on his shoulders as leader and founder and props to him for that however those trying to blame myn for the demise are ignorant at best.
Every Ceo in the mc knows myns traits and what he is like. If they really thought he was that counter productive it was very easy to kick a corp from the mc if seleene etc had wanted it. They created Etny after all, easy to take good members and kick em. Or even ask for a new ceo be elected and see the response. All it would have taken is dri, and seleene to want it and it would have happened.
On an amusing note ever thought how poor that makes you look that ONE fight tarnished YOUR K/D ratio by 33% ?
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Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 03:02:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Eleese
Please loomi/dri/dol anyone!!! shut this tool up he really has no clue.
Btw blaming myn for mc's demise is quite simply being fooled by Bob propaganda (very impressive propaganda btw as always lol), big decision within the mc were always made by Seleene or by vote of each corp's ceo.
To blame Mynas is to use a scape goat rather than having the balls to take responsibility. Seleene to his credit has taken fair part of the blame on his shoulders as leader and founder and props to him for that however those trying to blame myn for the demise are ignorant at best.
Every Ceo in the mc knows myns traits and what he is like. If they really thought he was that counter productive it was very easy to kick a corp from the mc if seleene etc had wanted it. They created Etny after all, easy to take good members and kick em. Or even ask for a new ceo be elected and see the response. All it would have taken is dri, and seleene to want it and it would have happened.
On an amusing note ever thought how poor that makes you look that ONE fight tarnished YOUR K/D ratio by 33% ?
Excuse me?
Might it be you who is lacking 'a clue'?
I sense a mynas alt/fanboi/sekret luver
But anyhow, let's play.
Nah, let's not as you fail at simple math so it would be too easy. (Anyone feel free to give a lesson on elementary math)
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Virtuoso DeToure
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.12 03:19:00 -
[212]
AT LEAST WE'RE NOT THE GOONIES!!
*disbands alliance after 5 days of fighting BoB*
Oh, and the time you tried to camp newbie Goonfleet in Syndicate? Goddamn pathetic. I think that may have been the first time we ever had a positive MY K:D RATIO.
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Virtuoso DeToure
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.12 03:20:00 -
[213]
I guess what I'm trying to say here is MC was a ******* pathetic excuse for an alliance and all you special kids arguing about it on the Eve-O forums of all places aren't going to change that.
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Miv333
Military Assault Combat Operations
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Posted - 2008.06.12 05:53:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Miv333 on 12/06/2008 05:58:09
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Eleese
Please loomi/dri/dol anyone!!! shut this tool up he really has no clue.
Btw blaming myn for mc's demise is quite simply being fooled by Bob propaganda (very impressive propaganda btw as always lol), big decision within the mc were always made by Seleene or by vote of each corp's ceo.
To blame Mynas is to use a scape goat rather than having the balls to take responsibility. Seleene to his credit has taken fair part of the blame on his shoulders as leader and founder and props to him for that however those trying to blame myn for the demise are ignorant at best.
Every Ceo in the mc knows myns traits and what he is like. If they really thought he was that counter productive it was very easy to kick a corp from the mc if seleene etc had wanted it. They created Etny after all, easy to take good members and kick em. Or even ask for a new ceo be elected and see the response. All it would have taken is dri, and seleene to want it and it would have happened.
On an amusing note ever thought how poor that makes you look that ONE fight tarnished YOUR K/D ratio by 33% ?
Excuse me?
Might it be you who is lacking 'a clue'?
I sense a mynas alt/fanboi/sekret luver
But anyhow, let's play.
Nah, let's not as you fail at simple math so it would be too easy. (Anyone feel free to give a lesson on elementary math)
Shows how much you actually knew about MC, love how dead weight talks as if they know everything. Eleese is an ex CEO of Eternity. So please just stop digging your hole bigger on how little you actually know.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 06:12:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Eleese
Please loomi/dri/dol anyone!!! shut this tool up he really has no clue.
Excuse me?
Might it be you who is lacking 'a clue'?
I sense a mynas alt/fanboi/sekret luver
But anyhow, let's play.
Nah, let's not as you fail at simple math so it would be too easy. (Anyone feel free to give a lesson on elementary math)
Good grief! Are you still in CONIN?
Eleese is a former director of CONIN, one of the founders of ETNY and its ex-CEO. And you, sir, confirm your ignorance of MC, its working s and its personalities with every character you type.
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ZaKma
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:27:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Tansien
Vily, you are a good kid (although one might contest it referring to your knack of suiciding gangs as FC) so it would be best to stay out of this. Don't get dragged in because mynas has no other support and is desperately looking for some backing since there are so many saying 'I told you so'...(as for the wormtongue thing, I actually first heard it from someone in another MC corp to remain nameless)
i take pride in the fact i DON'T suicide fleets.
so... i call bull****, i would like some examples of my genius FC suicides.
Aww Vily, your challenge shall be met...
March 8, 2008 when we were on contract against Pure. Your innate ability as FC got us trapped in Vale and rather than take some suggestions to go the long route out around, you had us twiddling our thumbs waiting for the opposition to gain position.
I remember it distinctly since it tarnished my k/d ratio. By like 33%. So go figure. After that experience it was deemed appropriate to use a cloak on a HAC if joining a gang for which you were the FC.
Then again, it was pretty well known that etny were the goons equivalent in MC...In fact it became a nice new game of 'trying to survive a gang led by an etny FC'. I still think Tomlinsonland won that game hands down as he was always quicker than most.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
1) Mynas - He's always had ... a 'sensitivity issue' as I like to call it. But he got **** done. He got **** done that no one else wanted to do, and instead of whining around about something he just went and did it himself. He has his flaws (like all of us) but he's done more for the MC than most of its members (including the leadership). I don't like Mynas. I don't like his behavior. But he's hardly at fault for MC disbanding. It was just our time, and that's that. Everyone needed a change, Tortuga didn't quite work out and the leadership was tired doing the same things over and over and over again.
2) Vily - Now you're just talking crap and making **** up. Vily is a excellent FC and anyone in MC who's flown with him for a few hours will probably tell you the same thing. A FC who never looses a fleet doesn't exist. Looking at your KB stats, you lost 1 BS and 1 HAC in your time in MC. Wow... I'm so sorry he ruined 33% of your kb stats. |
AIRB
Caldari Relief and Comfort Agency
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:41:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Tansien
Excuse me?
Might it be you who is lacking 'a clue'?
I sense a mynas alt/fanboi/sekret luver
But anyhow, let's play.
Nah, let's not as you fail at simple math so it would be too easy. (Anyone feel free to give a lesson on elementary math)
lol do you even have a clue? No i don't rember you ether and guess what half the time i was in Conin lead gangs ask anyone in your corp!!! and right now all you are doing is making your corp look bad. Also Blaming Myn for any of this is crap. I made my point on the Mc fourms so wont go into that again but you need to get a clue. |
Seijitsu Nakama
The IMorral MAjority
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.06.12 09:49:00 -
[218]
welp
tl;dr
goon post |
deadmaus
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:12:00 -
[219]
Great read James, just read through a second time and enjoyed it as much as the first
Outstanding true account (to my eyes)of betrayal, cowardice and deceit in arguably the greatest war in EVE's history to date. |
Cadman Weyland
The Iced Tea And Scones
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:18:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Tansien
garbage
Time you stopped posting mate. If you dont know who Eleese is then you havent been paying attention in class.
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.06.12 12:59:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Eleese
Please loomi/dri/dol anyone!!! shut this tool up he really has no clue.
Btw blaming myn for mc's demise is quite simply being fooled by Bob propaganda (very impressive propaganda btw as always lol), big decision within the mc were always made by Seleene or by vote of each corp's ceo.
To blame Mynas is to use a scape goat rather than having the balls to take responsibility. Seleene to his credit has taken fair part of the blame on his shoulders as leader and founder and props to him for that however those trying to blame myn for the demise are ignorant at best.
Every Ceo in the mc knows myns traits and what he is like. If they really thought he was that counter productive it was very easy to kick a corp from the mc if seleene etc had wanted it. They created Etny after all, easy to take good members and kick em. Or even ask for a new ceo be elected and see the response. All it would have taken is dri, and seleene to want it and it would have happened.
On an amusing note ever thought how poor that makes you look that ONE fight tarnished YOUR K/D ratio by 33% ?
Excuse me?
Might it be you who is lacking 'a clue'?
I sense a mynas alt/fanboi/sekret luver
But anyhow, let's play.
Nah, let's not as you fail at simple math so it would be too easy. (Anyone feel free to give a lesson on elementary math)
Name: Tansien
Alliance: Mercenary Coalition
Corporation: Contraband Inc.
Losses: 29
Kills: 277
Success ratio: 1,973% (10:1)
Lost ISK: 885,137,987
Destroyed ISK: 17,467,545,048
Rank: 8,975
with those massive 277 kills in your eve carrer you truly are awesome. I bet maybe one or two are solo kills amirite?
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RemusVI
Legion Federation
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:47:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Angelus X
Edited by: Angelus X on 12/06/2008 00:58:59
Oh god , I went from Page 2 to 7 pm another one of James 315's excellent works of fiction (though people claiming it was a 'good write up for his POV etc.' when he says stuff like 'Given the level of esteem in which I am held by the Eve community' makes me lols, you think he's writing that bit too from his POV??..
only to discover...
This highly entertaining argument between a CONIN pilot and Mynas..
Well, we all know what a rubbish group of 'unknowns' CONIN are, and what an awesome leader Mynas is.... right?
Still, gotta applaud Mr.315 and the COAD population in general for 'biting' as they say?
Edit- Seems I suck at necro threads :/ only late by 19 days tho!
shhhh! |
Protheroe
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:51:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Tansien
Just to cut you off at the pass, yes we did often avoid the impromptu 'alliance ops' by convieniantly being out in roaming gangs. You see, good leaders will attract those to the cause whereas poor ones will only cause resentment.
Surely you had your part to play in the collapse of the alliance by deliberately avoiding helping out when needed? Yes, alliances need good leaders to attract people to the cause, but they also need good followers to make anything happen. |
Tansien
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 05:08:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Protheroe
Originally by: Tansien
Just to cut you off at the pass, yes we did often avoid the impromptu 'alliance ops' by convieniantly being out in roaming gangs. You see, good leaders will attract those to the cause whereas poor ones will only cause resentment.
Surely you had your part to play in the collapse of the alliance by deliberately avoiding helping out when needed? Yes, alliances need good leaders to attract people to the cause, but they also need good followers to make anything happen.
Uh, no.
I participated in the activities my corp wanted to do. Not the desires of some deranged moron who had a bone to pick against bob because he blamed them for his previous failure.
And that is all this is - putting the blame where it belongs, solely on the shoulders of mynas. (nice to note that he has already suffered the first 'epic fail' of which there will be many in his 'new project')
As for the rest of you, do you think I really care about what eleese thinks? Irregardless you all failed to see the poke at the 'lack of math skillz' jab. Bunch of emo junkies. Grow up and get a life.
Now since the group of you weren't intelligent enough to figure out the 'tricky math question'....
WowZilla, I don't know where you got those stats from (nor do I care) but I was referring to the stats maintained on MC's old kb. The loss I got as a result of Vily trapping our gang and then clamming up as FC bumped me from 3 losses to 4 - a 33% increase.
Like I said, simple math.
Anyhow, I am done with this garbage. I spoke my opinion as many others have as well on the subject. Now that the 'riff raff' are getting involved it is time to exit. Stage left.
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Eleese
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.13 11:38:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Eleese on 13/06/2008 11:39:20
Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Protheroe
Originally by: Tansien
Just to cut you off at the pass, yes we did often avoid the impromptu 'alliance ops' by convieniantly being out in roaming gangs. You see, good leaders will attract those to the cause whereas poor ones will only cause resentment.
Surely you had your part to play in the collapse of the alliance by deliberately avoiding helping out when needed? Yes, alliances need good leaders to attract people to the cause, but they also need good followers to make anything happen.
Uh, no.
I participated in the activities my corp wanted to do. Not the desires of some deranged moron who had a bone to pick against bob because he blamed them for his previous failure.
And that is all this is - putting the blame where it belongs, solely on the shoulders of mynas. (nice to note that he has already suffered the first 'epic fail' of which there will be many in his 'new project')
As for the rest of you, do you think I really care about what eleese thinks? Irregardless you all failed to see the poke at the 'lack of math skillz' jab. Bunch of emo junkies. Grow up and get a life.
Now since the group of you weren't intelligent enough to figure out the 'tricky math question'....
WowZilla, I don't know where you got those stats from (nor do I care) but I was referring to the stats maintained on MC's old kb. The loss I got as a result of Vily trapping our gang and then clamming up as FC bumped me from 3 losses to 4 - a 33% increase.
Like I said, simple math.
Anyhow, I am done with this garbage. I spoke my opinion as many others have as well on the subject. Now that the 'riff raff' are getting involved it is time to exit. Stage left.
Maybe you should try reading what you wrote.
Quote:
I remember it distinctly since it tarnished my k/d ratio. By like 33%.
That my friend is a totally different mathematical statistic to the percentage increase in losses. Fact is if you had a lot of kills 1 extra loss would have a very little inpact on a k/d ratio.
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Jitabug
Shaolin Legacy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:40:00 -
[226]
What's that I smell? |
PMolkenthin
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:09:00 -
[227]
Sorry Tansien, but I have to laugh about the not knowing who Eleese is |
teh punisher
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:21:00 -
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i made it about halfway through before the bias got too strong and i had to quit reading |
Battle Nexus
Intergalactic Orgy Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: PMolkenthin
Sorry Tansien, but I have to laugh about the not knowing who Eleese is
LOL, yes the fact that he has all this inside knowledge about how Mynas single handedly brought down MC, yet he admits that he is just a grunt, cannot play much because of RL and had no idea that who Eleese is makes his entire argument and reasoning throughout his posts questionable to say the least
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