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![Caldari Meatbag Caldari Meatbag](https://images.evetech.net/characters/341113313/portrait?size=64)
Caldari Meatbag
Insert Corporation Name Here
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:43:00 -
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Instead of having racial variants for all hull classes how about racial variants for Spaceship Command?
If you know how to fly a Caldari Battleship it shouldn't take too long to learn just how much duct tape is needed to hold the top wingy bit on a Minmatar Battleship.
http://i.imgur.com/8wyFH.jpg
Eg You can fly a Brutix but decide you want to rave it up in the mobile disco Harbinger, all you have to do is train Amarr Spaceship Command IV and you are good to go as you already know how a generic battlecruiser should fly.
Real world analogy - if you learnt to drive in a Ford, you don't need a retest if you want to drive a Toyota, just a short time figuring out they switched the indicator + wiper stalks. |
![Headstone Carver Headstone Carver](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91441157/portrait?size=64)
Headstone Carver
Cool4Cats
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:01:00 -
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not fussed either way about the skill changes , but I am concerned about the ship balancing. One of the nice things about the current unbalanced system is thatsome ships dont completely fit their intended or presumed role , but bacause they have an odd slot layout they become valuable in another role. nano hacs are not nanos just because they're fast but because they have a slot combination that makes it work adjusting those slots may "fix" them for their role but break the unintended ability.
I mainly use frigattes, i know i can kill interceptors (well some) with a vigil because i can fit an ab , scram and medium extender and in the lows i can use a a dcu and mapc. I dont know if making it fit it's ewar role more effectively will leave me with a ship i can use. This I think may be true for many classes.
In some respects, i like the prospect of being able to utilise more ships , but if they become predictable as "tackler" "ewar" "tank" " etc and unusable in another role then their value will be diminished rather than enhanced. Probably worrying unecesarily, ccp will get balancing wrong anyway, so some will always float to the top. |
![Sephiroth CloneIIV Sephiroth CloneIIV](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1043829174/portrait?size=64)
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
108
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:41:00 -
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Morar Santee wrote:ikke bensuper wrote:First off, I would think balancing a ship class means balancing all frigates against each other, balancing all bc's against each other, etc. So by balancing one class at a time, they're not upsetting that balance when they move on to the next ship class.
Now, there will likely be some balancing between classes as well, ie balancing cost and effectiveness vs. the next class up of ships. However, I'm sure CCP has enough forethought to make these adjustments based on what they have planned for the next class in line to be balanced. To iterate somewhat on cApAc aMaRu's comment: While ships within ship-classes have to be balanced against each other, ship-classes have to be balanced against other ship-classes. You can achieve perfect balance within a ship-class, with the ship-class itself still being utterly out of whack with the rest of the game. And if you then take into consideration how long it took to get Assault Ships balanced, or the Destroyer buff, you have an idea what it means to screw with the entire system, start to finish. By the time they're done "re-balancing" the last ship-class, they can (read: have to) start re-re-balancing the entire thing, because the ship-classes they re-balanced first had no valid reference points.
You shoudn't hold how long it took one thing in the past with how long it will take in the future.
with the rage summer ccp is motivated to change things faster, that is a good thing.
Things happen, when you do them. Do or do not, no try. |
![azurefox azurefox](https://images.evetech.net/characters/235992912/portrait?size=64)
azurefox
Replikatorz
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:28:00 -
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I want to focus on training how to fly Battleships better, and not just Gallente Battleships, whilst enjoying flying Ships from other Races, without having to play the Race Specific Ship Skill Training Waiting Game.
Having chosen Gallente when I first discovered New Eden, and didn't know better, it didn't take me long to find out that I would need a highly skilled character to be able to fly their not so attractive ships well compared to the relatively low skills required to fly a Drake well enough to be able to solo Level 4 Missions.
I've visited New Eden three times since 2008. The first two times, I left after a few months because I was restricted to ships that I didn't like the look of and that I couldn't fly properly. I would have loved to have tried out some Ships from other Races but that would have meant waiting for racial ship skills to train. I don't want to pay to wait for skills to train plus that's time that could be better spent training other Skills that would improve my ability to fly Ships better in general. This time, I'm staying, partly because I'm addicted and in love with the new character generator but also because I'm now training to fly a Drake. If you can't beat 'em, train to fly 'em.
I'm all for an easier and more pilot friendly system if it means the system values a pilot's skills and not just a pilot's racial skills.
Caldari Meatbag wrote:Instead of having racial variants for all hull classes how about racial variants for Spaceship Command? If you know how to fly a Caldari Battleship it shouldn't take too long to learn just how much duct tape is needed to hold the top wingy bit on a Minmatar Battleship. |
![Keri Stardust Keri Stardust](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91199400/portrait?size=64)
Keri Stardust
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:53:00 -
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As it is now, no cruiser skills are required to train battle cruisers (to fly them sure, but not to train the book)
What would happen to people who have BC V and no cruiser skills at all?
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![Amarant'h Amarant'h](https://images.evetech.net/characters/628187796/portrait?size=64)
Amarant'h
Order of the Domain The Polaris Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:33:00 -
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Many people, including me, have used MUCH time and money to head on one way or another. To make all my feelings show on this post against this renewal and hatred, is nearly impossible.
Just make the tech tree go as it should be. Level 5's for every next ship on specific race. Cr 5 allows you to learn BC, BC 5 allows you to go BS... etc. Now if this new plan is going to happen like that, Im going to look forward really carefully and rethink about how all the spent time is going to be worth for me. Maybe shutting down all my 3 accounts might be an ansver for that. No reason to play the game anymore. |
![Sephiroth CloneIIV Sephiroth CloneIIV](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1043829174/portrait?size=64)
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
108
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:57:00 -
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Amarant'h wrote:Many people, including me, have used MUCH time and money to head on one way or another. To make all my feelings show on this post against this renewal and hatred, is nearly impossible.
Just make the tech tree go as it should be. Level 5's for every next ship on specific race. Cr 5 allows you to learn BC, BC 5 allows you to go BS... etc. Now if this new plan is going to happen like that, Im going to look forward really carefully and rethink about how all the spent time is going to be worth for me. Maybe shutting down all my 3 accounts might be an ansver for that. No reason to play the game anymore.
its level 5 for the tech 2, not for training the next level
4 will still be for going from BC to BS, or cruiser to BC |
![Farys Farys](https://images.evetech.net/characters/697322222/portrait?size=64)
Farys
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:50:00 -
[2048] - Quote
Keri Stardust wrote:As it is now, no cruiser skills are required to train battle cruisers (to fly them sure, but not to train the book)
What would happen to people who have BC V and no cruiser skills at all? Since the cruisers are required for the battlecruisers skill only, not actually required for the ship, you'll be fine.
As long as you meet the top-level prereqs, even if they change the inner ones, it won't matter. |
![Ranka Mei Ranka Mei](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1391073813/portrait?size=64)
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
126
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:28:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:
It goes far beyond simply unappealing. It is simply not practical. We've got dozens of battlecruisers in the wormhole we live in and potentially nobody would even be able to fly them for months. The best solution is not to reimburse BC/Destroyer SP but to give everyone the racial skills at the level they have them trained when the books are seeded.
-Liang
easily solvable with a grace period during which the old skill will work and which give you time to train the new ones to level 4, after which the original skill is terminated and SP reimbursed to be used wherever you want
Bull. Because that means I'm forced, as it were, to train these skills back up within the existing grace period (at the penalty of forfeit if I choose not to), whereas my current neural remap may not all be set for that. People *do* plan ahead, you know!?
CCP Soundwave wrote:No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today".
Well, that's cute, but what is really required is "What you could potentially fly today, you should potentially be able to fly tomorrow." Meaning, if today I had, say, all prerequisites to start tranining Minmatar Battleship, but hadn't actually done so, that tomorrow I should still be able to train it without sudden extra/new requirements. Otherwise you're still taking away (and severely so), only in a less obvious and immediate manner.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
![Keri Stardust Keri Stardust](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91199400/portrait?size=64)
Keri Stardust
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:28:00 -
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Farys wrote:Keri Stardust wrote:As it is now, no cruiser skills are required to train battle cruisers (to fly them sure, but not to train the book)
What would happen to people who have BC V and no cruiser skills at all? Since the cruisers are required for the battlecruisers skill only, not actually required for the ship, you'll be fine. As long as you meet the top-level prereqs, even if they change the inner ones, it won't matter.
I understand that part, but how would they reassign the skills, like for example would I get BCV for all 4 races? even though currently I can't sit in any battle cruiser as I have no cruiser skills trained at all, just BCV. they make mention of if you could use it now then you will be able to use it after, but as i can't use them now, do i just lose the skill?
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![Hena Muri Hena Muri](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91192996/portrait?size=64)
Hena Muri
Rubicon Extraction Services
2
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:18:00 -
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Keri Stardust wrote:Farys wrote:Keri Stardust wrote:As it is now, no cruiser skills are required to train battle cruisers (to fly them sure, but not to train the book)
What would happen to people who have BC V and no cruiser skills at all? Since the cruisers are required for the battlecruisers skill only, not actually required for the ship, you'll be fine. As long as you meet the top-level prereqs, even if they change the inner ones, it won't matter. I understand that part, but how would they reassign the skills, like for example would I get BCV for all 4 races? even though currently I can't sit in any battle cruiser as I have no cruiser skills trained at all, just BCV. they make mention of if you could use it now then you will be able to use it after, but as i can't use them now, do i just lose the skill?
I suspect in this specific case they would refund the SP. Though, this situation is strange as in order to fly a BC you have to have cruiser 3. You don't need BC for anything that doesn't also require cruiser so training BC to any notable level (4 or 5) means putting a lot of time into a skill that's useless to you without a days worth of training in at least one race of cruiser...
I suspect that "plenty of notice" they refered to means that if you keep watching, you'll have plenty of time to get to cruiser 3 on each race that you want BC V with.
However, unless they want to annoy the RP players that intentionally avoid cross-training, they have to have a secondary qualifier on these skills. Cruisers makes sense because it fits there "if you can fly it now you can fly it after" policy. I don't believe they have an opprotunity cost policy and these changes sound specifically like they are altering the opprotunity cost to get in various vessels. So, if your long term plan doesn't let you get into them, and you're unwilling to train un-optomized for a couple of days, then you probably need to accept that it will be more expensive later. Not sure this is something CCP should be concerned about as real life often does this so people should be used to it now.
_WAter_
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![Ranka Mei Ranka Mei](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1391073813/portrait?size=64)
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
127
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:25:00 -
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Hena Muri wrote:Cruisers makes sense because it fits there "if you can fly it now you can fly it after" policy. I don't believe they have an opprotunity cost policy and these changes sound specifically like they are altering the opprotunity cost to get in various vessels. So, if your long term plan doesn't let you get into them, and you're unwilling to train un-optomized for a couple of days, then you probably need to accept that it will be more expensive later. Not sure this is something CCP should be concerned about as real life often does this so people should be used to it now.
As I already stated above, I don't like that at all. Min/maxers like myself carefully use neural remaps in our planning ahead. CCP shouldn't screw with that. If I have already trained BC V, and remapped to somethuing other than perception/willpower, I should not suddenly -- and thru no fault of my own -- be forced, as it were, to train suboptimally to re-acquire something I already had.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
![Syris Khaeraan Syris Khaeraan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91062041/portrait?size=64)
Syris Khaeraan
Cybran Corporation IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:07:00 -
[2053] - Quote
I trained Heavy assault ship to IV (Which is a class of ship i never wanted to fly) only to get to the command ships.
Will there be a refund or something for the "now useless" intermediary skills along the line for some ships?
If u think about it, i now have 257k SP totally "wasted" when the change will it us...
For some ppl it may be nothing, but for character with less than 20M SP its still some SP u might not want... at least for now.
Sidenote: Saw nothing about t2 ship skill refunds... if i was simply blind, point me in the right direction? |
![Tiger's Spirit Tiger's Spirit](https://images.evetech.net/characters/256882741/portrait?size=64)
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
97
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Posted - 2012.05.14 12:52:00 -
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Syris Khaeraan wrote:I trained Heavy assault ship to IV (Which is a class of ship i never wanted to fly) only to get to the command ships.
Will there be a refund or something for the "now useless" intermediary skills along the line for some ships?
If u think about it, i now have 257k SP totally "wasted" when the change will it us...
For some ppl it may be nothing, but for character with less than 20M SP its still some SP u might not want... at least for now.
Sidenote: Saw nothing about t2 ship skill refunds... if i was simply blind, point me in the right direction?
Dont forget the Warfare Link Specialist IV :D But i think this ship changes wont come with May 22 patch. |
![Jitoru Jitoru](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1345858653/portrait?size=64)
Jitoru
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
1
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:18:00 -
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Hello everyone, I have to say: I wanted to read the whole thread before answering... but after the 20th , that was obviously ignoring the posts of ccp posters promising proper reimbursement siding with the sfrathegy of -what you flew yesterday you still can tomorrow- i decided to Not read the other comments.
To ccp: Ship Balance is something i'm looking forward to See from you. As a Personal request: would you please fix the rokh Balance? it is heavily worse then any other bs of its Tier and atm not worth flying. Second request is the scorpion: please make her a battleship... she is a clay nutshell since the ecm nerf .. no One flies her anymore but everyone likes her look.
I as a proud caldari Pilot have high hopes fo the coming ship balancing.
o7 fly save
Jitoru |
![Niko Lorenzio Niko Lorenzio](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1991664750/portrait?size=64)
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
38
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:00:00 -
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I can't believe the selfishness of so many people posting here about how "unfair" the coming changes are to them. Just because you trained skills that make no sense to get to a certain ship doesn't mean everyone after you has to suffer the same consequences. Not being able to fly what you could yesterday is understandable, and CCP said 1,000 times already that THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN. But people are now complaining about everything else they had to train. HTFU, we all had to train those same stupid skills to get to a ship we wanted, they finally fixing that for the better and all you can think about is your time lost. You're pathetic.
If you bought a car that was giving 20 m/pg and drove it for 2 years and then the same car company released a new model which gives 40m/pg are you going to go back to the dealership and bang down doors demanding a refund because you spent 2 years driving around and wasting all that gas? HTFU!
Now that I got that rant out of my system, CCP, PLEASE in the future release SEPARATE blogs on such huge issues as these. The important stuff that should be discussed (SHIP REBALANCING) is being drowned out and replaced by a sea of whining from a bunch of panicking lemmings. |
![Kaena Stark Kaena Stark](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1750597099/portrait?size=64)
Kaena Stark
Assisted Homicide Ace of Spades.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.16 01:42:00 -
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Ah the panick before rebalancing ^^ Chasing FOTM will just give you a headache, train what you want to fly here and now, Eve has never been any different.
"I want all 4 races command ships" this is coming from people who didnt even enjoy using BC's enough to train the skill to lvl 5 in the first place... It seems that as soon as free SP is mentioned everyone does a Golum and rushes around panicking about the precious skill points.
Hooray for mass hysteria and the inevitable price hike on command ships! =D |
![Jame Jarl Retief Jame Jarl Retief](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90299789/portrait?size=64)
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
79
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:41:00 -
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Did they say WHEN splitting of Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills is going to take place? I understand it's not going to be May 22nd with the initial Inferno patch. Although I could be mistaken. But if not then, then when? A month from now? Three months? Six? |
![11eyes 11eyes](https://images.evetech.net/characters/919220524/portrait?size=64)
11eyes
War Trident Trifectas Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 13:44:00 -
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I believe that BS IV for carriers is a good move on CCPs part it ups the scale on which carriers will be sold thus making miners and productionists happy as well as letting newer players experience a taste of what capital warfare and piloting is like, however i do not believe that BS V should be taken out of supers nor from Titans as these ships are well worth the training time and do the damage to prove it i also believe adding capital ship IV or V to supers would help to offset the 30 - 40 days that are no longer required to fly a carrier as this would keep all those raging "veterans" who also come from elitist nullsec alliances who like to say hey look at our caps because you dont have this many happy that they can still maintain their image of "power". |
![Orion GUardian Orion GUardian](https://images.evetech.net/characters/994564482/portrait?size=64)
Orion GUardian
137
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Posted - 2012.05.20 15:35:00 -
[2060] - Quote
Hmm I'd really liek to know what came of these plans. No furtehr information, nothing in Patch notes no news or announcements... |
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![Salpun Salpun](https://images.evetech.net/characters/413274633/portrait?size=64)
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
260
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Posted - 2012.05.20 15:38:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:Hmm I'd really liek to know what came of these plans. No furtehr information, nothing in Patch notes no news or announcements... They changed some frigate stats. I think anything else will have to wait till later. |
![Phoebe Prime Phoebe Prime](https://images.evetech.net/characters/924643122/portrait?size=64)
Phoebe Prime
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.05.21 15:26:00 -
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Having kept up with this whine-fest thread from the beginning, I immediately trained BCV and DESTV and trained amarr frigate 5 and amarr cruiser 3.
SOOOOOOO... When this whole thing hits like it's been said over 9000 times before, I will probably come out with every racial Destroyers V and every racial battlecruisers V.
Up 4.5m SP + any SP reimbursement for Battlecruisers Up 1.5m SP + any SP reimbursement for Destroyers
As a bittervet, you have to just take what CCP throws and turn it for the better for you. I wonder how many people actually did this grind in preparation. ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
Even if it doesn't go as planned, BC 5 and Dest 5 are good skills to have to 5. |
![Salient Soldier Salient Soldier](https://images.evetech.net/characters/194057523/portrait?size=64)
Salient Soldier
Cygni Mira Conglomerate Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:21:00 -
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Another good example of CCP fixing something that isnt broken.
Moon goo? no. Remove all t2 bpos? no. Flood the game with more low end specialization and lowbee cap ship isk farmers? YES!
All i have to say, is my character better be provided with SP for all 4 racial BC and DES, or im going to re-re-re rage quit. |
![Riolenn Riolenn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1409294557/portrait?size=64)
Riolenn
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:47:00 -
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I really hope the person that does the balancing is not the person that did the blog
"This opens up possibilities in terms of new ships. For example, why does the Amarr drone and tracking disruption line ends with the Arbitrator? Or the Gallente drone and dampening abilities stop with the Exequror?"
The Exequror is not the gal dampening ship that's the Celestis, the exequror was balanced last time to be a cargo transport. |
![Vaju Enki Vaju Enki](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91855185/portrait?size=64)
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
43
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:52:00 -
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Fix the Worm frigate. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
![Epyx Nykee Epyx Nykee](https://images.evetech.net/characters/540708079/portrait?size=64)
Epyx Nykee
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:48:00 -
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Ok this is a repeat of questions I had in what was a dead thread. So pasting it here :p Now keep in mind that "NO i have not read the whole flipping thread, i want easy answers and not have to skim through them all. So deal with it."
If nothing below is comprehensible then just ignore this post and troll away (CCP Loves Trolls, hopefully they have one to whip the hamsters tomorrow so the update goes smoothly) Anyways Ya heres my uneducated questions based of like 1 page of ****..
Ok, am i getting this correct.
If say Joe has BC 5 he gets Racial BC 5 across the board, but if you have 4 or less you get that across the board?
Would this not be a big advantage to those who have BC 5 already due to everyone else having to actually take each racial bc to 5 virtually making what took Older players 2 months to do new players would have to spend 8 or so months to get the same racial skillset that older players where just given because they trained BC 5 previously? Or are the racial BC skills going to be reduced in skillpoints and multipliers lowered?
If in fact people with BC 5 currently get a free pass for across the board BC 5 yet that person with BC 4/3/2/1 now has to train 4x the amount of skillpoints to accomplish the same goal is just ridiculous.
Hopefully the above statement is somewhat comprehensible and someone can clarify exactly what is going to be happening.
Also another question is, lets say Joe Shcmoe is currently training BC 5 when the racial class's are implemented, does this person loose out even though he was on the track to BC 5? If so this seems quite unfair also.
If this is the case then Racial BC 5 should not be given to those that already have BC 5. Instead some form of faster multiplier should be given to those that have BC 5 for the other races. Yes this is still unfair but in the end at least those who already have BC 5 will not be given a training advantage (not having to train any Racial BC skillset).
(Below is surely wrong, BC 5 there so. but ya u get the idea)
Someone with BC 5 already = 1,536,000 sp
if all racial bc skills are the same thats 6,144,000 SP to get all racial BC 5. This gives those with BC 5 already literally 4,608,000 free skillpoints.
All in all
WHO THE F--- Cares, we will all get over it, eve will continue, people will rage quit then come slithering back.
****** IF YOUR GOING TO RAGE QUIT FEEL FREE TO CONTRACT ME ALL YOUR ITEMS AND ISK! I'M NOT ABOVE FREE ****!!! ****** |
![Tiger's Spirit Tiger's Spirit](https://images.evetech.net/characters/256882741/portrait?size=64)
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
114
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Posted - 2012.05.22 07:48:00 -
[2067] - Quote
11eyes wrote:I believe that BS IV for carriers is a good move on CCPs....
I think, that is not good move. The capital ships ruined this game, and now they want to put to game more capitalships. |
![Ger Rees Ger Rees](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1726901898/portrait?size=64)
Ger Rees
EntroPraetorian Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 08:59:00 -
[2068] - Quote
I'm not a huge fan of the idea of changing requirements such as heavy assault ships IV to be able to fly command ships, I like that eve makes you start at the bottom and get good with smaller ships first, but that's just my opinion...
I Definetely like that you are removing the level V requirement for some of the t1 ships, the covetors barge V req. made no sense at all...
Finally, and most importtantly: I would love to see an Amarr drone or even tracking disruptor battleship... We seriously need one... |
![Argyle Jones Argyle Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1432117595/portrait?size=64)
Argyle Jones
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:37:00 -
[2069] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
it not just not appealing its crazy. pre patch i can fly all cs's and all dic's. post patch im ******. i either pick to fly a claymore or damnation or a vulture (eos is **** anyhow) and then im screwed for the next 80 odd days retraining for ships i could already fly. you either reduce the ranks of the destroyer and bc skills so reimbursed skill points from the old cover all 4 races, or you just give people all 4 races. We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place.
I'm just wondering why the ship progression system is so important that it's worth having to reimburse skillpoints over in the first place?
There seems to be this track of uniformity going on over at CCP. We are getting uniform item names. We are getting uniformity between faction warfare and null-sec in the naming conventions for sovereignty. We are getting a single window unified inventory. Now you want to make all ship progression uniformly identical.
Are you not worried that you're reducing the complexity of the game, the variety that makes it interesting and the learning curve that appeals to many of your more serious players? I certainly fear that if you continue down this track, EVE could lose some of its depth, character and complexity to the point where it becomes another bland MMO in the pile.
Also, please consider that while you would like to draw in more new players, most of your older player base have several characters. For every old bittervet that quits the game, you have to draw in several new players to turn the same profit. A quest to eliminate the learning curve and simplify EVE might backfire economically. |
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Argyle Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.
As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.
it not just not appealing its crazy. pre patch i can fly all cs's and all dic's. post patch im ******. i either pick to fly a claymore or damnation or a vulture (eos is **** anyhow) and then im screwed for the next 80 odd days retraining for ships i could already fly. you either reduce the ranks of the destroyer and bc skills so reimbursed skill points from the old cover all 4 races, or you just give people all 4 races. We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place. I'm just wondering why the ship progression system is so important that it's worth having to reimburse skillpoints over in the first place? There seems to be this track of uniformity going on over at CCP. We are getting uniform item names. We are getting uniformity between faction warfare and null-sec in the naming conventions for sovereignty. We are getting a single window unified inventory. Now you want to make all ship progression uniformly identical. Are you not worried that you're reducing the complexity of the game, the variety that makes it interesting and the learning curve that appeals to many of your more serious players? I certainly fear that if you continue down this track, EVE could lose some of its depth, character and complexity to the point where it becomes another bland MMO in the pile. Also, please consider that while you would like to draw in more new players, most of your older player base have several characters. For every old bittervet that quits the game, you have to draw in several new players to turn the same profit. A quest to eliminate the learning curve and simplify EVE might backfire economically.
I sincerely doubt that this is the case. Making it easier to find items or pick out what item does what based on names and location is a matter of convenience. They aren't huge game changers, just cleaning up all the lose ends over the years. |
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