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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:01:00 -
[1]
Can we have a button to click at the bottom of the 1st post in each issue thread, please? That way we won't get lots of 'Agreed' posts cluttering up the actual discussion.
My research services
Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Samuel Harrow
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 -
[2]
Erm, although posting this kind of goes against the spirit....
/signed?
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:12:00 -
[3]
agreeing to provide the catalyst for more signed spam
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Eve Players are not very smart.
Support Killmail Overhaul
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Samuel Harrow
Erm, although posting this kind of goes against the spirit....
/signed?
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 -
[5]
/signed threads are /signed
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 -
[6]
That would make it more like a poll, and people can still discuss the issue, better than cluttering threads imo.
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Mystic Twilight
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:16:00 -
[7]
I personally like posting
"I endorse the above product and/or service"
Though I can see why a button would for some people. I guess this kind of prompts you to have an opinion rather than actual standing.
It would increase the number of votes occurring, but posting like this lets people see how strong the opinion is.
Against this topic.
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Revan Neferis
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:24:00 -
[8]
Considering the number of issues... perhaps it could be a good idea.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:27:00 -
[9]
Agree this one certainly.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Vlad Konstantinov
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:29:00 -
[10]
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Elisa Day
Koshaku
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:29:00 -
[11]
I shall demonstrate how much this should be done by signing with all my accounts.
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Directionality
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:30:00 -
[12]
Support!
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Unholy Servant
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:30:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Unholy Servant on 22/05/2008 18:31:11
Support!
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Constant Change
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:31:00 -
[14]
Support!
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Divine Summoner
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:32:00 -
[15]
Support!
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Different Destination
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:32:00 -
[16]
Support!
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:33:00 -
[17]
Just breaking Elishas 5 hit combo.
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Support Killmail Overhaul
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Summon Mothership
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:33:00 -
[18]
Support!
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Why'dyou HitMe
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:33:00 -
[19]
agree
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Artillerist Zhaan
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:33:00 -
[20]
Edited by: Artillerist Zhaan on 22/05/2008 18:36:25
Support!
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Miss Elizabeth
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:33:00 -
[21]
Support!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:34:00 -
[22]
*Scratches his head*
So many alt's. Damn.
I support this though.
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Artillerist Ivanna
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:34:00 -
[23]
Support!
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Artillerist Toron
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:35:00 -
[24]
Support!
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Artillerist Vinya
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:35:00 -
[25]
Support!
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Allanon Wren
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:35:00 -
[26]
Considering the complete failure of these forums to keep anyone logged in for any length of time anything that saves me from going through the stupid steps again and again gets my vote.
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Artillerist Torc
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:35:00 -
[27]
Support!
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Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:35:00 -
[28]
Must Post to Vote is just one more issue standing in the way of actually having popular opinion (or rather "popular opinion of the people who give a damn) matter at all.
As it is not a single issue is going to break the 5% barrier unless CCP does something really dumb, like replace all textures with My Little Pony or something.
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-You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Mael DeVries
Hobbit Enterprises
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:36:00 -
[29]
But I've never posted so much before!
[SIZE="1"]"Nothing the EVE client can do can affect the game state" CCP Wrangler[/SIZE] |
Ikat'Ika
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:37:00 -
[30]
Support!
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Transsubstantiator Altea
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:37:00 -
[31]
Support!
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Liberty Sanford
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:37:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Liberty Sanford on 22/05/2008 18:37:29
Support!
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Tolis Irithel
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:38:00 -
[33]
No - this is an evil idea and will lead to the collapse of....
AHEM. Normal service resumed. /signed.
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Dawn Princess
Koshaku
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:38:00 -
[34]
Support!
There, I think I've made the case quite successfully.
Also logging in and logging out continuously is a lot of work!
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:40:00 -
[35]
/signed
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"MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
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Hamfast
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:40:00 -
[36]
--------*****--------
Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter...
So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
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Gorobom
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:42:00 -
[37]
Supporting.
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Sunwillow Auryn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:48:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Sunwillow Auryn on 22/05/2008 18:47:59
Originally by: Gorobom
Supporting.
What he said.
Look at it this way - to get to 5% of player base, how many posts would each of these threads have to be, with no one posting more than once? Not sure even the biggest flame fest post would reach that sort of post count. Would be nice to have a button to vote with and the option to post actual arguments as well, so you don't lose the debate.
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Wu Jian
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:16:00 -
[39]
I agree...adds more clutter to thread.  *whistles tunelessly while walking slowly away from the thread.
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Ishina Fel
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:43:00 -
[40]
Now just imagine how large a forum thread would have to grow if we really need 5% of the 220,000+ unique EVE accounts post for support, and 30 posts go on one page... 
/signed
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:44:00 -
[41]
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:50:00 -
[42]
agreed
1|2|3|4|5 |
Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:53:00 -
[43]
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Jalmari Huitsikko
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:55:00 -
[44]
.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:12:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 22/05/2008 20:12:02
I do rather hope CCP picks up on this one before we get anywhere near the 5000 vote requirement - it's such an obvious fix.
My research services
Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:13:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 22/05/2008 20:14:32
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 22/05/2008 20:14:19
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 22/05/2008 20:13:28
Double-posting to test what happens...
EDIT: it's ok, we can only support each topic once.
My research services
Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Barings Bank
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:14:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Barings Bank on 22/05/2008 20:14:57
Edited by: Barings Bank on 22/05/2008 20:14:05
Test - actually, once per character, so up to 3 times per account...
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Peter Llewellyn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:16:00 -
[48]
Getting full value for money here
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Dusky Shark
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:21:00 -
[49]
Support!
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Manny Calaveira
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:04:00 -
[50]
.
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Fallorn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:14:00 -
[51]
Oh YEAH.
Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Stellar Reaper
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:24:00 -
[52]
Support!
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Will work for your forzen corpses! |
Avalira
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:29:00 -
[53]
Not much else to say other than agreed.
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Selling the following:
Probe BPC's
ARK JF 4.5b
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:53:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Heartstone
/signed threads are /signed
That's what she said!
/signed
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Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag |
MongWen
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:54:00 -
[55]
/signed
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Nexus Kinnon
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:55:00 -
[56]
this is smart yo.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:19:00 -
[57]
Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened. |
Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:35:00 -
[58]
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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:36:00 -
[59]
/insert more spam **** here
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Pressurised
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Posted - 2008.05.22 23:14:00 -
[60]
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Tarun Thred
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 23:33:00 -
[61]
This please, this fourm does not need more spam.
tt
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Frecator Dementa
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Posted - 2008.05.23 00:36:00 -
[62]
/signed
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forum ate my post again |
Kinkie Yuuki
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:21:00 -
[63]
spam, errr support
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Elisa Day
Koshaku
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:43:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Barings Bank
Edited by: Barings Bank on 22/05/2008 20:14:57
Edited by: Barings Bank on 22/05/2008 20:14:05
Test - actually, once per character, so up to 3 times per account...
I am NOT doing that again, twice!
Obviously this is a "bug" in the forum software, so fix that while you give us a simple "support" link up top in every thread.
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Wolf Soldier
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:12:00 -
[65]
          
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:16:00 -
[66]
Support!
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Locin WeEda
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:49:00 -
[67]
I support this idea.
Red Frog Freight Service
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Dlardrageth
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:55:00 -
[68]
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:13:00 -
[69]
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Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:36:00 -
[70]
This is needed not just for lazyness and easier to read threads that are not just full of /signed, but also for anonymus support of topics. Eve is a highly political game, players shouldnt be forced to openly take position vs the interest of their ingame groups on topics of gamemechaniks for example.
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Joshua Foiritain
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:00:00 -
[71]
/signed
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Kurunto
BN and W Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:02:00 -
[72]
/signed.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:27:00 -
[73]
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These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
Void Monarch
Aorte Cerebrum
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:40:00 -
[74]
Definitely /signed.
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Max Teranous
Teranous Productions
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:16:00 -
[75]
I'm already bored typing "Yup" on issues i agree with. And it does spam up threads.
Max 
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:18:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Max Teranous
I'm already bored typing "Yup" on issues i agree with. And it does spam up threads.
Max
Then write something meaningful.
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Grey Shadow
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:43:00 -
[77]
yup
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Space Explorer
Evil Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:03:00 -
[78]
If this is going to be a voting forum, then also a "bad idea/don't support" voting option should be there.
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AltBier
Blue.
Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:23:00 -
[79]
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Sureau
N'Th'Rack Squadron
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:43:00 -
[80]
Is this thread a reductio ad absurdum ? 
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JiJiCle
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:47:00 -
[81]
Edited by: JiJiCle on 23/05/2008 11:47:41
/signed
edit: but then, how could someone see its supports and remove a support from a topic ?
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:13:00 -
[82]
no support.
i like being able to see who is supporting an issue.
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Christy Walton
Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:18:00 -
[83]
I concur |
Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:35:00 -
[84]
signed
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Burchov
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:04:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Must Post to Vote is just one more issue standing in the way of actually having popular opinion (or rather "popular opinion of the people who give a damn) matter at all.
As it is not a single issue is going to break the 5% barrier unless CCP does something really dumb, like replace all textures with My Little Pony or something.
This. Especially when you consider that only 11% of the players even voted for the CSM, it means that about 50% of the people that had even the slightest interest in the CSM have to:
1) Read this forum
2) Agree on an issue
3) Even post about it, thus creating 200 page threads...
Also, /signed
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Serra Nova
Core Element
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:20:00 -
[86]
Agreed! Ah, the irony...
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Helison
Times of Ancar
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:25:00 -
[87]
Support for sure!
And in my eyes it would be also great if we have a count for "not supported" |
Mr Toril
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:42:00 -
[88]
Needed a lot
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Cowboy Jet
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:56:00 -
[89]
3..2..1... LET'S JAM!! |
Durente Galaica
Fortunate Few
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:06:00 -
[90]
Totally disagree. We voted for delegates to represent us and make informed decisions not look at a series of poll results on this forum. Yes/no is too black and white for the majority of issues. Spending 5 seconds to read the first post and make a decsion is silly. If you can read an issue and can't think of a single thing to say beyond /signed, then the arguement is already completely discussed (I tend to think this should never happen, but it might).
This post should instead petition to remove the "support this topic" check box altogether. That is the true source of this problem.
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:47:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Jameroz on 23/05/2008 18:46:55
Originally by: Heroldyn
i like being able to see who is supporting an issue.
I support the ability being able to support without posting, yet it wouldn't be bad idea to give us ability to list all those people.
Our small corporation is recruiting Finnish players. |
Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.05.23 19:20:00 -
[92]
Agreed, having to post to show support seems a bit unnecessary.
Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
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Ummon Mu
Troublemakers
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:40:00 -
[93]
/siiiiiigned
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:24:00 -
[94]
This support post is soooo ironic...
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Haloxx
Star Section 9
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:51:00 -
[95]
I give my support to the idea/discussion going on.
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Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:10:00 -
[96]
I support the option of a support or disagree on the first post as well as the option of a reply for those who wish to make a statement or clarify. (debate)
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Zytrel
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:13:00 -
[97]
Absolutely. I hate to post. :) |
Bane Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:25:00 -
[98]
signed
Having to post to pledge support does more harm than good; anonymity would make people more likely to support sensitive topics. |
Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:26:00 -
[99]
/signed
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Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:28:00 -
[100]
Agreed. Open source forum software like [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phpbb"phpBB[/url] can handle polls, so why can't this forum ?
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Lucy'Lastic
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:23:00 -
[101]
supporting this idea
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Akiba Penrose
PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:58:00 -
[102]
Signed
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Slug Jefvel
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.24 02:11:00 -
[103]
I agree.
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xena zena
Catalyst Corporation
Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.24 02:49:00 -
[104]
/signed
There should be a big thumbs up and a big thumbs down icon/button below the OP's first post and above the first reply to the topic. Replies should be just 100% neutral, discussion. Those wishing to affect the vote can click the thumb up or thumb down icon to cast their single vote for the topic.
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Adrian Steel
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:36:00 -
[105]
Signed.
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Notorious BIG
Universal Moose Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:54:00 -
[106]
/signed
God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name... |
Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:02:00 -
[107]
Addendum: Even if CCP is worried about people post all kinds of weirdness because it would make them anonymous that could easily be solved by each [Issue] automatically generating a list once you've voted.
The important thing isn't anonymity (or rather, anonymity is a whole different issue), but rather that people who wish to express a more advanced opinion than "yay/nay" shouldn't be drowned in "/signed" spam, and that it shouldn't be more difficult than signing your name to a petition.
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-You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Draugrist Ithil
the oNe Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:19:00 -
[108]
I support this issue. I'd hate to go through pages of /signed just to see the actual discussion about an issue.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:22:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Mystic Twilight
I personally like posting
"I endorse the above product and/or service"
Though I can see why a button would for some people. I guess this kind of prompts you to have an opinion rather than actual standing.
It would increase the number of votes occurring, but posting like this lets people see how strong the opinion is.
Against this topic.
If you want to make separate post, noone can stop you from doing that, it's a forum.
But for me, if issue correctly explained and contains everything that I feel required to explain, i'd rather just "vote" for it than make separate post. I hate useless "+1" flooding.
It would be also nice to see final count of votes and be able to see the list of pilots who have raised voice in support.
In bold: VOTING MUST NOT BE ANONIMOUS.
But option for simple vote rather than floodpost would be good.
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Thanks CCP for cu |
Ameliorate
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:39:00 -
[110]
Agree.
Although I assume requiring posts makes the system more transparent.
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Sang Jin
Avanti Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:17:00 -
[111]
Not having to reply to do this = win!
THEHUNTER123 sucks at sigs sum1 make him 1 =( |
Etil DeLaFuente
Res Publica
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:32:00 -
[112]
Not supported.
Always good to know why you're supporting the idea or not. |
Xanja
2H Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:15:00 -
[113]
yase
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lunnatic
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 14:45:00 -
[114]
Supported
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Mr Stark
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:04:00 -
[115]
agreed, just some for of count to say how many agree would be sufficient.
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Mysticaa
Fringe Roamers of Goa
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:20:00 -
[116]
Yes and No 
I believe we should have a poll for major issues. But before a poll is created (by a CSM member) it should be discussed in this type of thread so that all of the pros and cons can be weighed.
As this thread stands I have to vote Nay!
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Why do I post here?
Originally by: Tao Han
"TANK CEO!!!"
Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!!
Sig snatched by Xorus
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:58:00 -
[117]
The whole point of these votes is that issues can be raised without any of the CSM supporting them, so requiring CSM members to set polls goes directly against the intended function of this forum.
My research services
Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Mysticaa
Fringe Roamers of Goa
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:02:00 -
[118]
True. However, with a requirement of posting to support or not, you will only get a fraction of the player-base to even respond. However, a poll that is created after enough debate will allow the CSM members a better picture on wether or not it is worthy to bring to CCPs attention.
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Why do I post here?
Originally by: Tao Han
"TANK CEO!!!"
Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!!
Sig snatched by Xorus
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Master Akira
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:05:00 -
[119]
Agreed.
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Zaepho
Advanced Logistics Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:43:00 -
[120]
Downside is that current system makes it easy to identify Who supported something. A good source of intel on what people think.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:28:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Mysticaa
True. However, with a requirement of posting to support or not, you will only get a fraction of the player-base to even respond. However, a poll that is created after enough debate will allow the CSM members a better picture on wether or not it is worthy to bring to CCPs attention.
Virtually any issue that's going to be raised will already have been discussed (to death, in fact) elsewhere - there are already threads in this forum where the original post consists of a link to another discussion, sometimes one that's been going on for ages.
A poll will inevitably attract plenty of discussion while it accumulates votes- by the time it reaches 5000, I'm sure anyone reading the associated thread ought to be fairly well-informed on the issue at hand. Postponing a poll until some arbitrary amount of discussion has taken place only wastes time.
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Mysticaa
Fringe Roamers of Goa
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:44:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Virtually any issue that's going to be raised will already have been discussed (to death, in fact) elsewhere - there are already threads in this forum where the original post consists of a link to another discussion, sometimes one that's been going on for ages.
A poll will inevitably attract plenty of discussion while it accumulates votes- by the time it reaches 5000, I'm sure anyone reading the associated thread ought to be fairly well-informed on the issue at hand. Postponing a poll until some arbitrary amount of discussion has taken place only wastes time.
True, however, letting any Tom, **** or Xkhkar create a poll will only leave us with a situation similar to the one we have now, with millions of threads created on the same issues.
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"TANK CEO!!!"
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Pliauga
Militek Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:10:00 -
[123]
Support!
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:15:00 -
[124]
That's a separate issue, and it needs to be fixed even if we don't get proper polls. However, if an issue is important enough for lots of people to support it, it's unlikely that there'll be multiple competing threads that actually make significant progress.
Where two threads really are almost identical, though, they ought to be merged, ideally adding together the non-duplicate votes.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:58:00 -
[125]
I was actually the first the original poster asking for this feature :)
one of things I brought up was if we didn't have to post to support or as I put it " /signed" a thread, then the devs and the CSM would only have to read thread with feedback.
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Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:03:00 -
[126]
/signed.
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Slickdrac
JET FORCE
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:23:00 -
[127]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what does this solve? You can make a topic saying 8/8/8 slots for everything (to bring up an old point) and it will get many thumbs up. That is not the point of this, it's to discuss what needs to be done, and why, and then have a threadnaught of discussion, not a single post with 800 signs on it. What makes one idea more legitimate than another simply because many people understand and support it? What if I have a very well thought out, but complex idea that miraculously fixes everything, no one understands it, so I only get 5 signs. Then Cher Bear comes up with missiles need to do more damage, and it gets 500 signs from the caldari side of the house, even tho it solves one problem that's not really a problem.
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Ren Tales
Crimson Flag
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Posted - 2008.05.25 09:57:00 -
[128]
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Mavolio
White Nova Industries
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:18:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Slickdrac
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what does this solve?
So people dont have to think of a comment or you dont just get theads filled with "/signed" so you can actualy find the posts where people actualy have some thing worth commenting about.
Originally by: Slickdrac
You can make a topic saying 8/8/8 slots for everything (to bring up an old point) and it will get many thumbs up.
Make that thead, it wont get past 20 ppl supporting it. Even if it did get the 11,000 (or how ever many you need for the devs to care) they will just shoot it down.
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Slickdrac
JET FORCE
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:37:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Mavolio
So people dont have to think of a comment or you dont just get theads filled with "/signed" so you can actualy find the posts where people actualy have some thing worth commenting about.
If you have nothing to add to the thread, then don't post, it's up to the CSM and CCP to determine what's actually important, not what what's supported the most. I'd rather have them look at a thread with 20 signs that addresses a serious game issue than a thread about the forums with 500 signs.
Originally by: Mavolio
Make that thead, it wont get past 20 ppl supporting it. Even if it did get the 11,000 (or how ever many you need for the devs to care) they will just shoot it down.
You point, supports my point, that it serves no purpose.
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Athena Olympus
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:58:00 -
[131]
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Moizey V
nDvisum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:31:00 -
[132]
Ok. Also need checkbox (button, radiobutton) AGAINST an idea.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:52:00 -
[133]
The thump say it all.
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Xofii
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:53:00 -
[134]
/signed
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Demiurges
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:39:00 -
[135]
Good idea.
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Tenebrion Darkness
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:36:00 -
[136]
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MentaFox
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:33:00 -
[137]
oh the paradox!
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:19:00 -
[138]
Thanks for the support.
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Cardo Fescio
Trident Future Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:17:00 -
[139]
Agreed
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M4g3ll4n
Circle of Shadows
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:27:00 -
[140]
I support this !
Ah and insert a non-support option. Which helps to the support/non-support ratio. Which helps to get a easier understanding whether a topic is controversy or if it is clear support or non-support.
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VanillaChacolate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:18:00 -
[141]
When a thread has 5 pages of people saying "agreed" it reduces the chance that an undecided person will have the opportunity to read posts that have well-reasoned arguments.
/Signed.
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Shanur
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:00:00 -
[142]
I fully and wholeheartedly agree. I was expecting a checkbox or button labelled "Vote your support for this proposal" next to the original post, and a counter with "This post currently has xxx votes", instead of a huge list of /signed.
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winthrowe
Node Alpha Defense Research
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:13:00 -
[143]
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Elseix
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:46:00 -
[144]
Agree
+1 spam post
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Kweel Nakashyn
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:44:00 -
[145]
+1
I'm not sure a thread can handle that amount of answers anyway.
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:10:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Sir Substance on 29/05/2008 06:09:44
i think people should post their ideas and opinions in the thread, but definately to reduce the
/signed
posts, a button is good.
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:16:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Slickdrac
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what does this solve? You can make a topic saying 8/8/8 slots for everything (to bring up an old point) and it will get many thumbs up. That is not the point of this, it's to discuss what needs to be done, and why, and then have a threadnaught of discussion, not a single post with 800 signs on it. What makes one idea more legitimate than another simply because many people understand and support it? What if I have a very well thought out, but complex idea that miraculously fixes everything, no one understands it, so I only get 5 signs. Then Cher Bear comes up with missiles need to do more damage, and it gets 500 signs from the caldari side of the house, even tho it solves one problem that's not really a problem.
thats why the council then discusses it. we are only voting to get it discussed. if a thread about missiles needing more damage can score up enough votes to get itself on the agenda, then clearly there are enough people wanting it looked at to make it an important topic.
if your idea is so convoluted and complex that people dont understand it, then naturally its not going to get votes.
so instead of saying we need to do X,Y,Z to achieve objective A. say instead:
objective A, i think its a problem because la-de-dah-de-dah.
people can then relate to this and agree. nice first liner for opening the thread.
then say:
i think we need to do X,Y,Z, what do you think?
people will then say things like:
it needs to be addressed, and i do/do not support your method if fixing it, but /signed anyway.
if they don't, they will often post ideas of their own. in that way, you will get supports form people who recognize the problem, without scaring people off with a large, complex solution.
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Phroneo
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:57:00 -
[148]
Yes! I hate doing this just to support an issue!
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.29 07:53:00 -
[149]
we are recruiting!
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Grismar
The Establishment
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Posted - 2008.05.29 08:03:00 -
[150]
I would prefer a situation where I could vote in favor (or neutral or against) and have the completely independent option to post in a thread. So, no need to vote before I post and definitely no need to post to vote.
I'm also wondering about the possibility to retract my vote after some discussion...
Vote well and have fun,
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LordSwift
New Eden Regimental Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:33:00 -
[151]
yes
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Raiven Parker
The Athiest Syndicate
INT0XICATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:29:00 -
[152]
yes
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Tasha Voronina
Caldari Navy Reserve Force
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:44:00 -
[153]
doh 
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Dukeslet
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.05.29 14:29:00 -
[154]
o/ |
Miyamoto Shigesuke
Jugis Modo Utopia
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Posted - 2008.05.29 15:03:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Miyamoto Shigesuke on 29/05/2008 15:03:21
/signed
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Kalinda Veldrin
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Posted - 2008.05.29 15:58:00 -
[156]
I fully support this issue.
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Four Degrees
Alternative End
Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 17:32:00 -
[157]
Drone drone drone drone.
You get the idea.
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BlondieBC
7th Tribal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.29 19:02:00 -
[158]
agreed
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herot
Fortunis - Redux
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:50:00 -
[159]
I agree!
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Jareck Hunter
Academy of Decadence
Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.05.29 23:48:00 -
[160]
Support
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Amarr Holymight
Bat Country
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.05.30 01:06:00 -
[161]
Too right its ridiculous voting system Im bored already.
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Sigourney Reaver
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Posted - 2008.05.30 01:08:00 -
[162]
Can't believe we have to vote to improve our voting conditions disgraceful.
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cain mjolnir
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Posted - 2008.05.30 01:08:00 -
[163]
/signed
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Czanthria
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.05.30 04:53:00 -
[164]
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Xanthar Rex
Black Eclipse Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:00:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Xanthar Rex on 30/05/2008 12:00:21
I was wondering how to place my votes till I saw this topic.
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Arbor Down
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:24:00 -
[166]
Signed
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Drilacred
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:55:00 -
[167]
/signed
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Hagis McBree
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.05.30 15:51:00 -
[168]
signed
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Acidictadpole
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:45:00 -
[169]
Especially with the recent illegalization of /signed posts this seems like it should be needed.
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2008.05.30 20:40:00 -
[170]
Totally irrelevant since the current CSM rules state any "issue" needs 11,000 support votes to be entered onto the CSM agenda, and since NONE of the issues so far posted (even the 20+ page thread about the 35% GTC cost increase) even reach 10% of that figure it really doesn't matter is you have to post or not does it?
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ceyriot
Induseng Enterprises
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.30 21:47:00 -
[171]
Agreed...against OP....but it has to happen...
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SeptimusCurtius Tacitus
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Posted - 2008.05.30 22:49:00 -
[172]
I'll put a white pebble in the bag
or was it a black one that they used to use?
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Carrus Thrace
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:17:00 -
[173]
I'm posting my suppport for this recommendation so that I don't have to post to support this recomendation....wait...
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Ranamar
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:24:00 -
[174]
produces an amazing amount of spam...
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Kazuo Ishiguro
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:39:00 -
[175]
Thanks for the support. Nice to see that this thread is still going...
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Alvin Exe
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Posted - 2008.06.04 10:33:00 -
[176]
I fully agree, especially if a topic need to reach 5% votes to be presented to CCP
/signed
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:17:00 -
[177]
this
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Ranamar
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:09:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Alvin Exe
I fully agree, especially if a topic need to reach 5% votes to be presented to CCP
/signed
I'm pretty sure the CSM has already decided to present it to CCP. Still, having the piles upon piles of supports can't hurt.
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herindoors x
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:24:00 -
[179]
NT
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:41:00 -
[180]
Yay for less spammage.
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Che Biko
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:26:00 -
[181]
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Jeirth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:13:00 -
[182]
No support from me.
If you cant be bothered to do two whole clicks (reply to topic and support issue box) to show support then the issue obviously isn't important enough to you, you don't even have to write anything, just be logged in on the forums, which also prevents people who aren't a part of eve from affecting in Eve issues.
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Rich Mann
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:16:00 -
[183]
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Phantom Slave
Mozzaki United
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:35:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Phantom Slave on 07/06/2008 18:38:13
Supported.
*edit*
Jeirth,
The issue is not that we don't want to reply to "sign" a thread. The issue is that when you have 140 "/Signed" or "/Supported" replies to a thread, it makes it hard to find actual discussion of the topic inside the thread. That's what this is for, as it makes it even easier to see discussion about the topic to make sure we truly support it.
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:19:00 -
[185]
agreed :)
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:01:00 -
[186]
Thanks for the support. It really does look as though this forum was thrown together in a few hours' work and I'm not very impressed with it.
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Direrie
NEW: Liekuri
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Lakche
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:40:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Lakche on 20/06/2008 06:41:34
Sometimes I like to read what people have to say about an issue before I decide to lend it my support or not. If it's really that big of a deal, then it can require two clicks to confirm a vote, but there's no reason for this clutter.
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Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.20 15:30:00 -
[188]
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Grann Thefauto
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.20 18:51:00 -
[189]
We need a vote yes or no thing with a count at the beginning of the thread. No reason to waste DB space on a bunch of empty posts.
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Karan Hanid
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Posted - 2008.06.21 03:04:00 -
[190]
/signed
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.06.23 05:28:00 -
[191]
I spam to prevent spam. How ironic.
I could say anything I want here, and nobody would read it if I stuck it in when this was really going strong. Even if there was discussion here (and there is a little bit), no one is going to hunt through 7 pages of '\signed' to find it.
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Trojanman190
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:06:00 -
[192]
I think this forum is a bit counter productive... what is the point of having discussions in the other forums if we are just going to have all of them here?
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Astria Tiphareth
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:03:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 26/06/2008 12:03:08
Signed (how ironic)
Whilst we're on the subject, why have this forum, or more accurately, why have discussion in here?
Surely it would be a heck of a lot simpler to have each issue be a link to one already in Features & Suggestions (where the rubbish ideas usually get blasted because the people who care are there looking) and just a yes or no here?
I guess my point is, this is where issues are presented, but we now have two Features & Suggestions forums to check.
Edit: Doubly ironic - managed to lose the support bit by editing.
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.06.26 13:00:00 -
[194]
I agree that this forum is the place where support is shown for proposed ideas. Not the place to discuss them. That's what the other specialized forums are for.
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