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Cortana AI	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:01:00 - [61] Originally by: CCP Nozh Edited by: CCP Nozh on 22/05/2008 19:13:41 Yo, We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now?
Summer's End Intel 7	Posted - 2008.05.24 22:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh Edited by: CCP Nozh on 22/05/2008 19:13:41 Yo, We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers, Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? I'd love to see them in the 20-30m range. When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl - when you can't do that...You find someone to carry you.[/i]
Sephiroth Nahema	Posted - 2008.05.24 22:43:00 - [63] Amarr are finally getting a good ship, and you cry 'overpowered'. Most of the amarr stuff is actually sub-par compared to other races. Try going with an Omen vs a Vexor, or Maller vs Thorax. If the gallente one is well skilled and uses drones, he gets the full DPS your damage fitted Omen or Maller would get, while having full ship resources for tanking. So just f*king accept, that Amarr will have a good cruiser too.
Tyrantus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.24 23:33:00 - [64] Indeed. All the other races faction cruisers have a good combat ship and a mostly good combat ship. Amarr have a really good combat ship and big tub of armor. Fair and balanced to me. Future Member Of The 24th Imperial

CCP Fendahl	Posted - 2008.05.25 01:08:00 - [65] Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP.

Arana Tellen The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.05.25 02:13:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. Thats silly for a ship thats comparable to a normal cruiser, 90k lp is 25k LP more than a +5 implant (obviously they include an isk cost), it seems LPs are harder to get in factional warefare missions and +5s sell for around 110 million isk, 110 - 65 = 45 million isk (in the LP of implants). 45 million isk * 1.3 is around 60 million isk. 60 million isk!? Thats about 3 times as much as I would pay for one to EVER use one in combat. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Mason Drake Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.25 03:51:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. For the players who would be using them in the faction warfare, new players like myself who do not have high SP levels and resources, you have made these ships unobtainable. The only people who will be able to afford them are the bored long term players who will buy them as trophies, screw around with them once or twice and then leave in the hangers collecting dust.
Kailiani	Posted - 2008.05.25 04:32:00 - [68] Edited by: Kailiani on 25/05/2008 04:34:01 Originally by: Mason Drake Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. For the players who would be using them in the faction warfare, new players like myself who do not have high SP levels and resources, you have made these ships unobtainable. The only people who will be able to afford them are the bored long term players who will buy them as trophies, screw around with them once or twice and then leave in the hangers collecting dust. Hey! I use mine! Usually when a Corp member asks for help on a mission, if I'm bored enough I'll fly my Navy Caracal, though cleaning the dust off takes a few hours with 20 minmatar slaves. o wait.... And CCP you do realize once upon a time you said your goal was 1k LP = 1 million ISK. Then you introduce a LP store with the LP requirements OR tag requirements of many items several times too high! 240k LP for a Navy Caracal when they sold for around 100m, Whats with that? I thank whoever at CCP only set the CNR to 1 raven+600k LP, thanks. Could you take over who set the crazy prices of some other items? Much appreciated.
Terianna Eri Scrutari	Posted - 2008.05.25 04:32:00 - [69] Can't get on Sisi atm - does the navy Omen have any better fitting than the regular omen or are we still stuck with something that can fit a rack of lasers and basically nothing else? __________________________________
Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:41:00 - [70] Originally by: ElCoCo Edited by: ElCoCo on 22/05/2008 20:08:00 Originally by: Kerdrak Hehehe, nobody will armor tank this ship since you can reach 6300 m/s nanoing it only with polycarbons and t2 stuff. And then what? Why would you choose it over a vagabond? (unless it costs like 30mil ofc or you don't have the skills for a vaga) Not that I think a lot of ppl will armor tank it ofc edit: btw, what about the pirate faction ships? bah cant we just make the minnie ships shield tankers please.... and please gawd get rid of the scythes split weapons.. your wasting a bonus for no use, and the ranges and speeds at wich you engage combat are differetn with turrets and missiles... making it pretty darn silly if you ask me... col ship tho, but single weapon systems please. _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
achoura	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:46:00 - [71] 60(ish) is the cost of an insurable tier one bs. I've bought more than a fair share of faction cruisers for pvp in the past (isk/performance critics leave here plz) and several of them worked well, several are inferior to their ti hull and some, e.g. that green augor, arn't worth the cost. Dropping them to 60 mil would bee good from the point of view of a 2.5 year player with the isk and skills to fly them well but nice as they are i don't have any reason to spend 60 mil on a navy omen when i can spend 60 mil on a geddon instead and for newer players it's competly out of reasonable reach. Putting them between 35-45mil, or 40-50mil, would not only make them a more realistic choice it would make them a more common sight without replacing the ti hulls while keeping them above bc costs and lack of insurance would keep the risk intact. Please do not misunderstand me, i don't suggest this because i want a cheaper ship, i can afford them easily however i would just by that omen because i could, admire it then put it in a hander and not look at it again when a geddon/zealot would bother be better choices. Call it what you want but i believe someone has failed somewhere when so many people put so much effort into creating an expansion like this in the sound knowledge the ships won't really be used (unless this is what you wanted ofc). *The EVE servers and their patches*
Kingwood Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Star Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:16:00 - [72] Originally by: A PUPPETMASTER No rep? What more gankage the highslot is no additional turretslot. With a little bit more PG the rigslot could be put to better use but no idea what that highslot is good for except with even more cpu/pg for a medium nos. Overloading.
Kagura Nikon Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:29:00 - [73] LP prices of faction frigs and faction cruisers are a big fail. The ammoung of tags neede d forcertain items in LP store is an even greater fail. For god's sake. soem items need more than 1500 tags!! Even worse a lot of tags that only drop in lower level missions (in big quanitities). CCP shoudl rebelance everytghin on the LP store. There is a reason why each faction LP stoe has only 2-3 items + implants as seeked offers. Because all others are plain dumb. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Cortana AI	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:41:00 - [74] Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. Ok good to hear, so they should probably come in around 1/2 to 1/3 their currently value so...... probably in the 20 - 30mil range
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Kagura Nikon LP prices of faction frigs and faction cruisers are a big fail. The ammoung of tags neede d forcertain items in LP store is an even greater fail. For god's sake. soem items need more than 1500 tags!! Even worse a lot of tags that only drop in lower level missions (in big quanitities). CCP shoudl rebelance everytghin on the LP store. There is a reason why each faction LP stoe has only 2-3 items + implants as seeked offers. Because all others are plain dumb. Factional warfare generates masses of tags. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:23:00 - [76] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Kagura Nikon LP prices of faction frigs and faction cruisers are a big fail. The ammoung of tags neede d forcertain items in LP store is an even greater fail. For god's sake. soem items need more than 1500 tags!! Even worse a lot of tags that only drop in lower level missions (in big quanitities). CCP shoudl rebelance everytghin on the LP store. There is a reason why each faction LP stoe has only 2-3 items + implants as seeked offers. Because all others are plain dumb. Factional warfare generates masses of tags. Hmmm HMMMMMM Is it possible to change system so player in militia (not npc) when killed will leave tags in wreck? And tag types/amount would be their rank dependant?
Temitten	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:24:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Fendahl The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. No bpc offers at 100k lp and 20M isk for the high ends? Also, will current navy augorors be replaced by omens as some have suggested? (I want one! but got only 120K lp.. I got a plan )
Jill Antaris Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:30:00 - [78] Edited by: Jill Antaris on 26/05/2008 10:31:33 Originally by: CCP Fendahl Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: CCP Nozh We wanted to release a full line of cheaper more affordable faction cruisers,[/i] Ok so I'm just curious when you say cheaper and more affordable how much are we talking about? I'm not asking for a set market price just a guestimate of how they will compare to the 80+mil faction cruisers now? The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. Well you can have a Navy cruiser now for 100k LP + 20 M ISK + Buildcost. The Offer with the Nexus Chip is simply crap. 270k LP + Tags + Chip for 70-80 M? I know nobody that uses this offer because it simply takes to many LP for the small ISK in the end. How about 10k LP for a faction Frig, 25k for a Tier 1 and 50k for a Tier 2 Cruiser + T1 Hull and nexus Chip to get this ships back into PVP where they belong. This would also making them a Option for newer players that like smaller Ships and can¦t fly T2 Ships yet. ---------------------- Nerf Lasers! Thay need far to less CPU and Grid to Fit. Still using not enught Cap and do far to mutch Damage. O wait... they allready did... =(
achoura	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:30:00 - [79] The reason no one, and no one ever will, take that 270k offer is because it's more than half the lp needed for a navy bs. *The EVE servers and their patches*
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:35:00 - [80] Edited by: Shadowsword on 26/05/2008 11:35:39 Originally by: CCP Fendahl The ships will be initially only be available as direct ship exchange offers requiring: a cruiser nexus chip + the T1 ship it's based on + 90K LP. The equivalent offer for the high-end faction cruisers require a slightly more expensive T1 ship and 240K LP. Considering an average "value" of 800 isks per lp, that's something like 80 millions for a tier1 cruiser and 200 millions for a tier2 cruiser. That's just too much for them to be used often in pvp. the lp cost should be reduced by two thirds, ihmo. ------------------------------------------
Eleana Tomelac Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Jill Antaris Well you can have a Navy cruiser now for 100k LP + 20 M ISK + Buildcost. The Offer with the Nexus Chip is simply crap. 270k LP + Tags + Chip for 70-80 M? I know nobody that uses this offer because it simply takes to many LP for the small ISK in the end. How about 10k LP for a faction Frig, 25k for a Tier 1 and 50k for a Tier 2 Cruiser + T1 Hull and nexus Chip to get this ships back into PVP where they belong. This would also making them a Option for newer players that like smaller Ships and can¦t fly T2 Ships yet. This would be good and bring faction cruisers into PvP. Those faction cruisers need to have a price under the price of HACs. The current offers contain several nonsences : -build ship offer has a ridiculous price, around 5/11th of the BS offer price : look at marauder vs HAC price, see what is wrong. So, this offer is perfectly useless. -comparing the built ship vs BPC, you'll see it's very close in terms of LPs for the BS and very far for the cruiser. Why is the built ship 2.5x the BPC price when it is just 1.2x the price for the BS? -Faction frigates will never be afordable as it is. It's way cheaper to get an interceptor that will have more firepower speed and all, or an AF (even if not great) that will have same speed and several times the tank and firepower for 1/3 of the faction frigate price. The offers I am refering to are : -30k LPs + isk for faction frigate BPC => lower to 10k LP, 1M isk. -80k LPs + chip+frigate for built faction frigate => lower to 12k LPs, chip+frigate -100k LPs + isk for tier 2 faction cruiser BPC => lower to 60k + 15M isk -240k LPs + chip+cruiser for tier 2 faction cruiser built => lower to 72k LPs +chip+cruiser I guess the tier 1 faction cruisers should place in the range of 1/2 to 2/3 of the tier 2 faction cruiser. Please, lower the price of those faction ships, or there will still be no one to fly them into pvp! What did you make them for? Mission running? Even there, they are a luxury, BCs do the job faster. So, we mostly collect them which is not a very good activity for them. PS : I'm still wondering about the droneship that is not a droneship, having no spare drones : the vexor navy issue. PS2 : there are many other LP store offers no one uses, but I guess you have stats on that already and know where to lower prices. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
ollobrains2	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:47:00 - [82] ccp want us to grind missions. Halve it to 40k lp and u might get some interest
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:51:00 - [83] Did anyone actually think these faction cruisers were actually flyable? Going to be? Not at all. Just look at the thread where the dev basically says "stop making fun of my cruiser designs because you dont know how they'll be" The reality is that the current faction cruisers arent flown because they are too expensive for the power. The t2 cruisers easily pwn the faction cruisers. At least the navy ones. Pirate's ones aside. They arent boosting the current faction cruisers and the new ones are cheaper and thusly worse. Thusly these were 100% going to suck. Unless ridiculous for lp... like you can buy them for like 10,000lp or something. That's what I can see these being about. 10,000lp and they are appropriately priced... but 90,000lp... LAWL. Never happen. Nobody will dare use these in combat. Way tooo much loss. 1 nanofag and these will be dead. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Mioelnir KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:00:00 - [84] Of course EVERYONE takes the Blueprint for 100k LP + 20m. Just take a look at the other offers. For example the Blueprint offer for 150k LP + Tags, the most "lol" offers in the stores. Vexor: 1x Tuvan Orth's 1x Shadow Serpentis Gold 10x Serpentis Brass 5x Serpentis Gold 8x Serpentis Palladium Caracal: 1x Imai Kenon's Tag 1x Dread Guristas Silver 30x Guristas Bronze 20x Guristas Silver 20x Guristas Electrum Stabber: 1x Genom Tara's Tag 1x Ammatar Navy Raid Leader 30x Ammatar Navy Major I 30x Ammatar Navy Major II 30x Ammatar Navy Sergeant III Augoror: 1x Shimon Jaen's Tag 1x Khanid Royal 5x Khanid Sparrow 5x Khanid Slave Trader 5x Khanid Elite Fighter Every one of them takes a named Cosmos officer and a faction spawn tag, in the Stabber/Augoror case even an empire faction commander spawn. Honestly, how many people even know where you can find these? And I'm not even going to start about the cosmos officer tags, hiding in locked hidden complexes and stuff. This offer is for all intents and purposes unuseable, even if you wanted to. It took me nearly a year of searching, collecting and around 400m ISK to get the tags needed for the stabber offer into my collection. The other offer for 240k LP, well, I think it was already mentioned how crappy it is. So, introducing the new cruisers at 90k LP will put them, my guess, around the 80-90m mark as the offer isn't really cheaper compared to the tier 2 faction cruiser one that people use.
PC5 Bermuda Syndrome C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:14:00 - [85] Which genius at CCP implementet those radicolus new cruiser prices? Really, that man sucks at his work - lack of imaginity.
Eleana Tomelac Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:18:00 - [86] For the tags offer, I have seen people selling packages with all the tags for a price lower than the isk cost for BPC, but that was only for the BS offers. It's again a too high price for small and medium items. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Amalthea Green	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:30:00 - [87] Edited by: Amalthea Green on 26/05/2008 12:32:09 so if im not wrong, comparing navy exequror and navy omen: Exeq Hi 4 ( 4 turrets) med: 3 low 5 drones: 20m3 Omen: hi 6 ( 5 turrets) med: 3 low: 7 drones: 25m3 CONGRATS FOR THE BALLANCE JOB !!!! Omen have +4 total slots, +1 turret and even bigger drone bay than the gallente counterpart!!!!!! It's a late 1th april fool ??? Even not considering che comparison with the navy omen.. why use a navy Exeq if have lesser DPS than a thorax????? ( same dps from guns, but lessed drone bay)
Eleana Tomelac Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:42:00 - [88] Originally by: Amalthea Green so if im not wrong, comparing navy exequror and navy omen: ... CONGRATS FOR THE BALLANCE JOB !!!! Omen have +4 total slots, +1 turret and even bigger drone bay than the gallente counterpart!!!!!! Time to wake up : Exequror is of the cheap faction cruiers : tier 1 Omen is of the expensive faction cruisers : tier 2 So, compare the omen to the caracal, the vexor, the stabber. Compare the exequror to the osprey, scythe, auguror (this one was nerfed to be made cheaper). -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
achoura	Posted - 2008.05.26 12:53:00 - [89] Pre FW: Navy Vexor (Tier II) Navy Caracal (Tier II) Navy Stabber (Tier II) Navy Augoror (Tier I) See that? Amarr got shafted... After FW: Navy Exequror (Tier I) Navy Osprey (Tier I) Navy Scythe (Tier I) Navy Omen (Tier II) *The EVE servers and their patches*
Amalthea Green	Posted - 2008.05.26 13:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Eleana Tomelac Originally by: Amalthea Green so if im not wrong, comparing navy exequror and navy omen: ... CONGRATS FOR THE BALLANCE JOB !!!! Omen have +4 total slots, +1 turret and even bigger drone bay than the gallente counterpart!!!!!! Time to wake up : Exequror is of the cheap faction cruiers : tier 1 Omen is of the expensive faction cruisers : tier 2 So, compare the omen to the caracal, the vexor, the stabber. Compare the exequror to the osprey, scythe, auguror (this one was nerfed to be made cheaper). ok .. can you tell me the new auguror stats? i know the old one, but not how has need nerfed.

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