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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:15:00 -
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Communty I'm worry about something.
I'm worried that soon were going to get sites poping up with news articles about "CCP is rasing the price of eve" or it will become the word on the street.
I have just one question, WHY?
Why is the community failing in on it's self over something when it's allready been explained to us?
So if it's not clear let me explain it to anyone before they start lighting torches.
CCP are raising prices False, they are increasing the price of time cards by 5$ the cost of shipping, and selling the time card. Meaning that you are basically paying 5$ for the convince of being able to use it when you want, trade it for isk, whatever.
In fact Ryan allready let us know that with the change CCP will now get 30$ for each time card we buy. This means the extra 5$ are going to then time card company. CCP figured out that time cards are doing nothing but losing them and the timer card resellers money. they want 15$ a month for their game. Not 12$ because they have to sell them cheap in bulk to timecard resellers.
Now is it a good choice? maybe not. I don't see why they are stopping 90 day cards, BUT CCP ARE NOT increasing the price of eve. you can still pay 15$ a month or pay for 90 at a time for less money. You'll just have to use your credit card.
also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P
CCP aren't fixing lag! just making dumb things like ambulation,factional warfare, not fixing macro miners
Not fixing lag? They just released a new server structure on sisi a few eeks ago, they are going to be buying a new super computer. Do you people forget all the whining you made about how CCP plays the game and how they shouldn't?
well guess what they still do play the game and they don't want lag as much as anyone else.
Also There have been a lot of examples recently about macros getting caught and isk being taken out. it's a problem that most game can't solve because the idea of a macro is to look like a human is doing it, and mining in eve is very... well... simple and full of AFKing.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:18:00 -
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Although I see the logic and somewhat agree with raising the price of the subscription overall, I don't get why they don't do it to credit card payers as well, rather than having differing prices between different payment options, and people getting penalised for not having/wanting a credit card. __________________
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Khudo
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Khudo on 24/05/2008 18:21:36 MATH 101
Old 90 days GTC = 39$. -> Around 0.43$ per day
New 60 days GTC = 35$ -> Around 0.58$ per day
Difference -> +0,15$ / day
Do the math Net increase +34%
Bybye failure man.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:22:00 -
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90 day time codes are $38.50 60days will be $34.95.
ok thats not a price rise
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:28:00 -
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How about deleting your post and start another with a subject "CCP are raising prices: Here's why"? Because that one here was an awesome failure Boink! |
Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.
may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve
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Khudo
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo How about deleting your post and start another with a subject "CCP are raising prices: Here's why"? Because that one here was an awesome failure
done
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:33:00 -
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I feel stupider after reading your post.
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Jack Jombardo
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:37:00 -
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Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5€/month) just becouse you love plasic.
And they are NOT common or normal to have here!
So for me and thousend other player it IS a prise-rising.
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Darineah Charach
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon
also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.
may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve
Everywhere else in the world pretty much.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Darineah Charach
Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon
also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.
may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve
Everywhere else in the world pretty much.
teh us pays about ú60 for a year of eve, teh uk pays about ú105 for teh same year. so every where else pays more than people in europe?
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5€/month) just becouse you love plasic.
Maybe you should get some good old citizen action going, because those kind of banking service charges are just insane. If I were you, I'd also kick your bank in the nuts for not offering non-CC MC/Visa cards.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:47:00 -
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WOW reading comprehension! a few figured it out. lets do some math!
15$ a month basic rate 2 month time card.
sell to time card resellers for 12$ each they sell them for 12$.
Now lets all be honest, people buy time cards to trade for isk most of the time, this mean every time card puts time into the game. With means a large amount of the player base is only giving CCP 12$ a month for 1 month. CCP loses money on this. They didn't before the GCT, but now everyone is buying and trading these, the whole point of time cards in mmorpgs is for people that can't use credit cards.
So CCP said, were sick of this, every player should be paying CCP at least 15$ a month. not like the US dollar is worth **** anyways. So they have added a 5$ fee to buying a time card, this way CCP gets 15$ a month.
hell, If it wasn't for time card trading, and I was CCP, I would of removed the time card system alltogether.
They are not incease the price of the game, they are increase the price of time cards.
OH GOD I can't wait untill I get to school
"oh hey jaron I heard that CCP incease the price of the game?" slap forhead "no they inceased the price of the time cards"
Really people :/
Oh and here is an idea to CCP, why even have resellers? you could keep the 15$ a month price if you just sold time cards on the main eve site.
also how does anyone buy a time card without a credit card unless they want to buy isk?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Locii 90 day time codes are $38.50 60days will be $34.95.
ok thats not a price rise
right the time card cost more.
you can still go click to the left and pay for 90 days for 38.50$
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon
also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.
may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve
you missed the point, Eu players can buy time cards for about half the price that the US pays for them.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5Ç/month) just becouse you love plasic.
And they are NOT common or normal to have here!
So for me and thousend other player it IS a prise-rising.
and you pay for time cards..using... what?
oh hey that's right, a credit card.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Locii
Originally by: MotherMoon
also for EU players that are avoiding the VAT, you still get to pay less than us :P.
may i ask where you are from, intrested in knowing where has a high price than europe for playing eve
you missed the point, Eu players can buy time cards for about half the price that the US pays for them.
thats only because of teh exchange rates. in true terms we pay 40% more for a year than us based players
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Shakuul
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khudo Edited by: Khudo on 24/05/2008 18:21:36 MATH 101
Old 90 days GTC = 39$. -> Around 0.43$ per day
New 60 days GTC = 35$ -> Around 0.58$ per day
Difference -> +0,15$ / day
Do the math Net increase +34%
Bybye failure man.
QFT. THIS THREAD IS MADE OF FAIL.
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon and you pay for time cards..using... what?
oh hey that's right, a credit card.
Pay for time cards using Paypal. Paypal charges my debit card.
Pay subscription with debit card. Bank charges a ú1.00 overseas currency transaction.
So, by purchasing time cards, I save money.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: MotherMoon and you pay for time cards..using... what?
oh hey that's right, a credit card.
Pay for time cards using Paypal. Paypal charges my debit card.
Pay subscription with debit card. Bank charges a ú1.00 overseas currency transaction.
So, by purchasing time cards, I save money.
Then CCP should let us pay for time using paypal and/or debit.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:01:00 -
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I dont care if ccp are raising the price, i'll still keep playing
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Then CCP should let us pay for time using paypal and/or debit.
…I pay to CCP using a debit card.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp I dont care if ccp are raising the price, i'll still keep playing
If they are then why am I still paying 12$ a month? I pay for a year at a time nothing stopping anyone else form using the system.
and the above person just told me that they use thier debit card to pay for eve.
so unless you don't have a bank account you should be able to pay the same price as before to play eve no?
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Jack Jombardo
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Jack Jombardo Can't pay with craditcard has I have non, need no, never will need one. It's no problem to get one but what for? Just EvE? NO! I don't pay twice (fee for CCs is about 5€/month) just becouse you love plasic.
And they are NOT common or normal to have here!
So for me and thousend other player it IS a prise-rising.
and you pay for time cards..using... what?
oh hey that's right, a credit card.
PayPal wich charges my Giro. No credit card, sorry.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:24:00 -
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not if you live outside of the us and before you go vat scammer. i am allowed to spend up to ú75 ish on goods from outside of the uk without paying vat
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Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Then CCP should let us pay for time using paypal and/or debit.
CCP does let me use my debit card, however, they bill in euros.
If CCP billed in ú instead of euros, I wouldn't have to pay the bank charges.
Paypal manages to convert and bill in ú, so why doesn't CCP?
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Jernau Riggs
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:45:00 -
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This is not meant to be a price rise against americans as you still pay the same when paying by credit card, its just ccp's way of making it uneconimical for europeans to buy game time codes from america.
Many europeans and myself included have been saving money by buying game time codes from america and ccp want to stop this as they get more money from us if we pay by credit card over here.
However just like in game when they see a problem they jump to nerf it and just cause more problems, why does anyone think they would make any better decisions in other areas of their business.
A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:45:00 -
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Let me address what I see as the most important of your points.
Originally by: MotherMoon CCP are raising prices False, they are increasing the price of time cards by 5$ the cost of shipping, and selling the time card. Meaning that you are basically paying 5$ for the convince of being able to use it when you want, trade it for isk, whatever.
In fact Ryan already let us know that with the change CCP will now get 30$ for each time card we buy. This means the extra 5$ are going to then time card company. CCP figured out that time cards are doing nothing but losing them and the timer card resellers money. they want 15$ a month for their game. Not 12$ because they have to sell them cheap in bulk to timecard resellers.
They don't have to sell them cheap in bulk to resellers. If they raised the price to resellers so that resellers were the same price as everyone else, then more than just newbs who don't know any better would buy from the CCP store instead of SC.
Also, removing 30 and 90 day GTCs in the interests of simplicity is sheer nonsense. If they wanted simplicity they should remove the pointless 50 and 100 day ones in their own shop, which nobody uses. That way they'd get rid of 2 pointless codes instead of introducing a new one and removing the two most commonly used ones.
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Sabrina Treadehugger
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:52:00 -
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ibtl
there is allready a thread about this you should go post your nonsense there
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Also, removing 30 and 90 day GTCs in the interests of simplicity is sheer nonsense. If they wanted simplicity they should remove the pointless 50 and 100 day ones in their own shop, which nobody uses. That way they'd get rid of 2 pointless codes instead of introducing a new one and removing the two most commonly used ones.
These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store.
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Mistress Ingrid
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
and you pay for time cards..using... what?
oh hey that's right, a credit card.
Yep using Paypal, because CCP's credit card system sucks and declines my credit card, but it works for everyone else including Paypal. I really don't care why...and CCP took a week to get back to me when I petitioned it to tell me, "it looks like it declined".
That's why I use GTC's...that's why eve now costs more for me.
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TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:37:00 -
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Its all a subtle plot to get you to buy a million GTCs now which you are unlikely to fully utilise.
Props to CCP.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Ingrid
Originally by: MotherMoon
and you pay for time cards..using... what?
oh hey that's right, a credit card.
Yep using Paypal, because CCP's credit card system sucks and declines my credit card, but it works for everyone else including Paypal. I really don't care why...and CCP took a week to get back to me when I petitioned it to tell me, "it looks like it declined".
That's why I use GTC's...that's why eve now costs more for me.
In this case CCP should sell the 60 day time card for 30$ on the CCP site.
Then they won't lose 5$ and we won't have top spend it.
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Domania
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:57:00 -
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People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.
This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE.
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Kaar
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:03:00 -
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Wait wait wait, are you saying that all GTC come on a physical card? So places like shattered-crystal get thousands of cards in the mail and have to digitize them?
Some one is ******* stupid here, you or CCP.
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Sabrina Treadehugger
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Domania People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.
This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE.
you fail greatly at english and english is not even my native language
"This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE"
so you are posting why?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger
Originally by: Domania People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.
This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE.
you fail greatly at english and english is not even my native language
"This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE"
so you are posting why?
he's showing support.
glad someone can read, unlike most people.
I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that I don't want to hear "OMG CCP RAISED THE PRICE"
you know how internet word spreads.
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Sabrina Treadehugger
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger
Originally by: Domania People who don't see what MotherMoon is saying fails greatly.
This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE.
you fail greatly at english and english is not even my native language
"This doesn't effect me at all anyway because I use a credit card to buy my EVE"
so you are posting why?
he's showing support.
glad someone can read, unlike most people.
I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that I don't want to hear "OMG CCP RAISED THE PRICE"
you know how internet word spreads.
if he could actually read between the lines or other informed oppinions he would understand how this could affect eve in a negative way
the ends don't justify the means
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/05/2008 21:18:44 I would like to see CCP randomly banning players for no reason, just to see how mothermoon would try to defend it.
I am beginning to smell a hint of troll.
SKUNK
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 24/05/2008 21:26:20 Le skunk please argue for me how eve cost more per month now using the official system, please.
I'm a long time critic of CCP.
They do a lot of things I don't agree with. There are lots of things in eve I want to see changed.
But when I hear stupid argument like "don't do trinity fix lag, CCP are lying to us! they are evil" I can't help but feel my IQ dorping.
I'm not defending it, I think CCP should have 90 day cards still at a discounted price like 43.50$
But really you shouldn't talk you troll the forums all the time. your the textbook example.
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Locii on 24/05/2008 21:59:18 the price of subsription should be the same base level everywhere and then local tax added on.
the $131.4 the US pays is aboutú70. our local tax is 17.5% so aboutú82 as we are forced to pay in euros. we actually have to pay ú105. time codes gave us uk residents a equal rate of payments to the US 4 x 90day timecodes were ú80. make all base rates the same and add local tax. dont just make everyone suffer be removing timecodes that people use for flexibilty and ease of payment methods
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Kurogauna
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:59:00 -
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seems globalisation isn't for the customer
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 22:02:00 -
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IO remember reading somewhere it's based on Icelandic VAT.
anyone have those numbers?
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xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: xena zena on 24/05/2008 23:06:32 If you live in Europe and you use the direct-pay with a credit card (official system) it bills you in EUROS, and EUROS are 157% more valuable then AMERICAN DOLLARS, which it bills you if you live anywhere else. So If you live in America you get to pay $14.95 USD/month, if you live in say France you get to pay $23.60 USD/month.
By buying GTC's with their credit cards, they are billed in USD, so they can get a 30 day GTC for $14.85 USD instead of $23.60, thats a *HUGE* difference.
CCP is just cra-cking down on that and making GTC's uneconomical to buy, trying to force people into direct-paying 57% more!
It's pretty simple, easy to understand, currency exchange rates and math. It *IS* a price increase, that primarily only affects anyone who lives in Europe. If you don't live in Europe, it won't really affect you that much, except limits your GTC choices for alts you buy with ISK. Which is a REAL PAIN IN THE BUTT, and LOTS of people will probably not renew their alts if they have to do it in more expensive 60 day GTC's.
By trying to capture more money from Europeans they're going to loose a LARGE amount of alt accounts where people are unwilling to pay more for 60 days and want/need the 30 day flexibility.
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xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar Wait wait wait, are you saying that all GTC come on a physical card? So places like shattered-crystal get thousands of cards in the mail and have to digitize them?
Some one is ******* stupid here, you or CCP.
You can get physical cards from CCP's store, I think still, the weird 50 and 100 day cards or whatever. But virtually NO ONE uses them. The 30 and 90 day codes from say shattered crystal, are 100% digitally transfered to them and you. So no production and delivery cost to CCP.
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:17:00 -
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Post with your main, Oveur!
------ We live in an expanding universe. All of it is trying to get away from Chuck Norris.
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Jecob
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jecob on 24/05/2008 23:24:40
Originally by: MotherMoon
CCP are raising prices False, they are increasing the price of time cards by 5$ the cost of shipping, and selling the time card.
I've never had a physical time code, it's always been a digital delivery (E-Mailed) code so this certainly does not apply to any time code I have ever bought.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:34:00 -
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OMG I figured it out, your right it's not a card... yet CCP still sells to resellers...
CCP why don't you just sell them on the eve site? yes I know that's the same as people using the system to start a billing plan...
but what is the point of having other people sell them at all?
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon OMG I figured it out, your right it's not a card... yet CCP still sells to resellers...
CCP why don't you just sell them on the eve site? yes I know that's the same as people using the system to start a billing plan...
but what is the point of having other people sell them at all?
Exactly. I can understand them raising the price for Game Time Cards, the physical card that is sold at a shop and requires a third party retailer who in turn needs a profit margin. I can't understand the raise in the price for Electronic Time Codes, a virtual good that could be sold directly by CCP.
To clarify for others this isn't just a GTC for ISK issue. ETC are the only way those of us using the British pound or the Euro can pay the same fee as CCP's American customers (ignoring any additional charges such as those related to currency exchange).
That said we already have a rather long thread about this, which you have already contributed to. Splitting the topic over separate threads is only going to make this somewhat complex issue even more confusing.
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XD Andy
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:16:00 -
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According to www.xe.com
$34.99 for 60 days = Ç22.1707 = Ç0.3495116 per day
by subscription ...
30 days = Ç14.95 = Ç0.498333 per day 3 months (91.25 days) = Ç38.85 = Ç0.4257534.... 6 months (182.5 days) = Ç71.70 = Ç0.3928767.... 12 months (365 days) = Ç131.40 = Ç0.36
that doesn't include the bank charges imposed in the UK for currancy exchange between ú to Ç regardless of whether you use credit or debit card.
Even using the the most cost effective route availible to us here in the UK of subscribing (buying a year) it is still more expensive per day than buying the 'new' expensive GTC, without adding bank charges.
Pay by paypal, and you pretty much pay the xe rate for dollars here in the uk.
As of today xe = 1.982 and paypal = The exchange rate for this purchase is 1 GBP = 1.92743USD
factor that in ... you get ... Ç0.35940 per day via paypal
In other words, I can buy 60 day gtc's at pretty much the same rate as paying for a subscription year ... not including bank charges.
throw in the current gtc's
30 days = $14.95 = paypal ú7.7564 = xe Ç9.74098123413160 = Ç0.324699 per day therefore new GTC = a 7.6% increase
90 days = $38.85 = paypal ú20.14599752001370 = xe Ç25.30048838269767 = Ç0.28111653758552966666666666666667 per day therefore new GTC = a 27% increase
if you want to compare the current 90 day gtc's with the current 1 month subscription ...
a massive 77% increase.
So, those that want to support the game fully (as I have until now) by commiting to a monthly subscription here in the UK get penalised the most, and have to pay a whopping 77% more than those paying by the current 90 day gtc.
Whichever wya you look at it, the new GTC represents a price increase which is going to hit those that rely on the USD$ the most. Those if us that (well, now ... for me) have begun to exploit the favourable exchange rate will also notice it a bit, however the reality is that the CCP billing in Ç is simply not cost effective for the majority of subscribers (= USA and UK).
If you won't offer regionalised cost neutral options for direct subscription, please don't complain that we are moving towards using GTC's.
Andy
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Fallorn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:23:00 -
[51]
Your joking right they don't even have to ship a card to the people it can all be done in one email with as many codes on it as you want. It is just them raising prices. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
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Desiny
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:20:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jernau Riggs This is not meant to be a price rise against americans as you still pay the same when paying by credit card, its just ccp's way of making it uneconimical for europeans to buy game time codes from america.
Many europeans and myself included have been saving money by buying game time codes from america and ccp want to stop this as they get more money from us if we pay by credit card over here.
However just like in game when they see a problem they jump to nerf it and just cause more problems, why does anyone think they would make any better decisions in other areas of their business.
A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts
why do you think you should have to pay less than other people to play the same game?
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Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:29:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Desiny
Originally by: Jernau Riggs This is not meant to be a price rise against americans as you still pay the same when paying by credit card, its just ccp's way of making it uneconimical for europeans to buy game time codes from america.
Many europeans and myself included have been saving money by buying game time codes from america and ccp want to stop this as they get more money from us if we pay by credit card over here.
However just like in game when they see a problem they jump to nerf it and just cause more problems, why does anyone think they would make any better decisions in other areas of their business.
A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts
why do you think you should have to pay less than other people to play the same game?
Because CCP are charging other people less to play the game (americans) so why should I pay more? Even more so than the taxes placed on the european payments? ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:43:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Fallorn Your joking right they don't even have to ship a card to the people it can all be done in one email with as many codes on it as you want. It is just them raising prices.
Exactly. There is no other reasonable explanation for this decision that I can see. And it am truly disturbed by it.
I'm disabled, don't have a CC or bank account and I use cash for everything. I used to use PayByCash for EVE but their system is very unreliable and can take a long time to process orders (I'm not sure if they even offer EVE anymore, nor do I care). So I just started using isk for game time because it's basically the only convenient way for me to pay for EVE.
Prices of GTCs in isk are likely going to increase drastically because of this, and I'm not looking forward to grinding up an extra couple hundred mil per month just to pay for EVE time. It already dug into my enjoyment of the game enough...
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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littlechaoz2
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:46:00 -
[55]
you guys do know, that if u go to paybycash in the payment options, u can use paypal yes? for those of you who use paypal yet buy GTCs...you dont have too, go to paybycash option, its in there...has been for a while
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xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: littlechaoz2 you guys do know, that if u go to paybycash in the payment options, u can use paypal yes? for those of you who use paypal yet buy GTCs...you dont have too, go to paybycash option, its in there...has been for a while
and its always cost more then just buying the GTC.
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Cunny
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:46:00 -
[57]
Am I the only one who finds it silly when people say CCP is "losing money" on current GTCs?
Last I checked, the overwhelming majority of GTCs bought/used are electronic and require no production costs at all. There isn't some factory in Iceland somewhere, where skilled artisans are hand-crafting GTCs from the finest nordic steel. So CCP sells GTCs to resellers for $12 a pop, and resellers sell them to you for $15. CCP is still making $12/code. It's not as much as that $15 they get from traditional subscriptions, but its still a pure-profit proposition.
Seems to me "losing money" is really just code-speak for "not making as much money as they want."
After these changes go through, the only ones buying GTCs will be the desperately ISK-poor crowd, and those without credit cards. Hope GTC resellers like going out of business
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Cunny
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:06:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Cunny on 25/05/2008 04:08:11
Originally by: MotherMoon but what is the point of having other people sell them at all?
Because selling codes to resellers is a method of turning a definite profit. Once the codes are sold and out the door, it becomes the reseller's problem to earn a return on their investment.
Eg: Why sell GTCs to players directly at $15/pop when their demand will fluctuate, when you can sell thousands to a third-party vendor at $12/pop and earn a guaranteed sum every time?
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littlechaoz2
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:08:00 -
[59]
Originally by: xena zena
and its always cost more then just buying the GTC.
costs more? i pay the same 15$ for the GTC as i do paying using paypal, i dunno where you see this extra cost coming from |
xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:28:00 -
[60]
Originally by: littlechaoz2
Originally by: xena zena
and its always cost more then just buying the GTC.
costs more? i pay the same 15$ for the GTC as i do paying using paypal, i dunno where you see this extra cost coming from
Forgetting about the pay-by-cash's surcharge?
PayByCash Price: $18.19 US Dollars
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Mattikus
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:47:00 -
[61]
Sounds to me you guys are just cheapskates that are tryin to get something for nothing. Quit *****ing and pay up...end of story.
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:10:00 -
[62]
Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 07:15:03 Easy for the Americans, they dont get affected by this at all(price wise). Whip out your credit card. YAY!!!!
For the europeans, this is ****ed up. If we pay by credit card, first thing, its in Euro which is more powerful so the price is already up, and add on the extra 17.5% VAT.
The only way we could get the same price as you was by using GTCs. There goes that option. Now by paypal is the only way we can even get close.
And the OP seems to be dreaming that Europeans pay less.
As for the price raise, yes they are not increasing the price of the game, only of the GTCs which basically translates to "They are increasing the price of the game for the europeans!"
And for your comment on the economics of it all, we are not talking about the reasoning behind the price change. We are saying that the price was increased and it was, no matter what the reason maybe.
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Robinete Broadhead
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:55:00 -
[63]
Originally by: X3k5 EDIT:
Europe 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 ----------- $23.58 3-month-plan Ç 38.85 ----------- $61.28 6-month-plan Ç 71.70 ----------- $113.10 12-month-plan Ç 131.40 ---------- $207.28
Outside Europe 1-month-plan $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 131.40
Care to do the math again using convertion rates for 2004 to 2006? Wonder who was paying more then.
Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:21:00 -
[64]
all you whiners should look into the other means of payment that ccp offers
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:57:00 -
[65]
Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 20:01:27 Hmm this is rubbish any US player moaning about anything should shut up. You have always Paid less than us no matter what . Its always been either the same price or more expensive for EURopean players. Never has it been more expensive to be american than european.
Hehe MotherMoon u couldnt be more wrong but hey Ur probably an american so who cares about what u have to say on this subject as u obviously havent talked to any european player who has to pay in EURO instead of Dollars.
Personnally i think CPP should make everyone pay the same by using EURO's. If ur american stop *****ing ur inflation means that u get paid the same amount as us (mcdonolds working in UK ú5 pounds America $10 dollars).
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Iyanah
MX3 Development Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:30:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Khudo Edited by: Khudo on 24/05/2008 18:21:36 MATH 101
Old 90 days GTC = 39$. -> Around 0.43$ per day
New 60 days GTC = 35$ -> Around 0.58$ per day
Difference -> +0,15$ / day
Do the math Net increase +34%
Bybye failure man.
yeah, but since the dollar is worth next to nothing, that works out as... well it's probably still cheaper for those of us using real currency :P ========================================== that's no moon... oh, wait, yes it is, the space station's out the other window. |
Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:15:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Hohenheim OfLight on 25/05/2008 22:15:03 Can some one point me to the official CCP is going to **** you in the arse thread? I have been away for a week, and can not see any other mention of this, God i hate the stupid information portal. ----------------------------------------------
Is mining for a hel mad? or just ambishus?
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IonKnight
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:21:00 -
[68]
Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 22:22:06 To be honest the whole reason why most ppl are moaning in the first place is cause of the massive price difference in subsciption fees. We wouldnt have to buy GTC's if the price for eve what exactly the same everywhere.
Its cheaper for an american full stop they can get a year subsciption which would still be cheaper than any GTC's seller. So why don't we have the same option. BAH
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Squasar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:23:00 -
[69]
Can't help it that the US dollar sucks and Europe has extreme VAT taxes.
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Cunny
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:47:00 -
[70]
Originally by: IonKnight stuff
I give this post a 5.5 out of 10 on the troll-o-meter.
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Jakus Orellius
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:57:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Jakus Orellius on 26/05/2008 01:59:14 Basically Europe is getting over. For those *****ing about people complaining, saying we should pay up... go yourselves, some of us live on tight budgets, and being told to pay up by American's just takes the ****.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.05.26 02:03:00 -
[72]
Originally by: MotherMoon WOW reading comprehension! a few figured it out. lets do some math!
also how does anyone buy a time card without a credit card unless they want to buy isk?
Paypal/debit card combo.
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.26 04:51:00 -
[73]
Originally by: IonKnight Edited by: IonKnight on 25/05/2008 20:01:27 Hmm this is rubbish any US player moaning about anything should shut up. You have always Paid less than us no matter what . Its always been either the same price or more expensive for EURopean players. Never has it been more expensive to be american than european.
from 2000-2002 there where periods where the euro was worth LESS then the American dollar, admittedly not a lot less, but less non-the-same. So your statement "has never been" is wrong.
Secondly the loss of 30day and 90day GTC's does affect Americans, those of us without credit cards that use them and those of us that buy them with isk. So don't say this issue is Euro only, because it's NOT.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.26 07:30:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Robinete Broadhead
Originally by: X3k5 EDIT:
Europe 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 ----------- $23.58 3-month-plan Ç 38.85 ----------- $61.28 6-month-plan Ç 71.70 ----------- $113.10 12-month-plan Ç 131.40 ---------- $207.28
Outside Europe 1-month-plan $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 131.40
Care to do the math again using convertion rates for 2004 to 2006? Wonder who was paying more then.
Care to demonstrate that the difference was over 50% as now?
Care to make a prediction that the dollar is likely to return to such levels in the forseeable future?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:07:00 -
[75]
I don't know about you but the falling dollar doesn't influence my salary in the least..
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Prochura
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:16:00 -
[76]
I'm a poor Europian student, i buy GTC from shattered crystal because paying with credit card in europe is way more/too expensive. I could manage 2 accounts doing this, but with the price increase coming i don't think i'll be able to afford my second account.
Bye bye money, ccp
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:34:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Prochura I'm a poor Europian student, i buy GTC from shattered crystal because paying with credit card in europe is way more/too expensive. I could manage 2 accounts doing this, but with the price increase coming i don't think i'll be able to afford my second account.
Bye bye money, ccp
Hmmm it's summer now. No studying to be done, right?
Grind level 4s for a week and buy some GTCs for ISK. You can easily crank 200M/day, so a week or so should see you paid up for 3 months.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
FenikSar
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:36:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Kappas. Although I see the logic and somewhat agree with raising the price of the subscription overall, I don't get why they don't do it to credit card payers as well, rather than having differing prices between different payment options, and people getting penalised for not having/wanting a credit card.
The extra price is shipping.. so if they increse the sub for CC uses guess what your time card goes up cos the shipping still gets added on top. I Cant Read And I Cant Write But I Can Fly An Apoc.
*For Live Ingame Price Checks. Visit the ingame channel price_check.* |
omglollolol
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:39:00 -
[79]
I tell you some math here...
15 euro - 27$ per month...
60GTC - 38$ per 2 months vs 54$ via subsribtion from euro players paying euro.
if they raise subscription via cc.. who cares? ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________ |
Drizit
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:00:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Darineah Charach Everywhere else in the world pretty much.
Then How come GTC sold in UK cost more than those sold in USA? Don't say economical difference since USA'a economy is far more stable than the UK's and the difference between cost of living and wages is far better in USA. Don't even think of getting me started on taxes!
UK always has had a raw deal when pricing is done in US dollars across the board. Most companies just change the sign but don't adjust according to the exchange rate. Therefore they pretend that $1 = ú1 and in effect, that means we pay almost twice the price. Just come to the UK and look at printed barcode prices on McGraw-Hill computer books that are printed in USA etc. Why do you think so many people in the UK buy from US sites and have the goods shipped over? Simply because even adding the price of shipping, it's cheaper than you can buy it here.
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tidsear
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:05:00 -
[81]
Originally by: xena zena
from 2000-2002 there where periods where the euro was worth LESS then the American dollar, admittedly not a lot less, but less non-the-same. So your statement "has never been" is wrong.
EVE just had it's 5 year anniversary...ppl were paying CCP in 2000-2002? |
Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:07:00 -
[82]
Didn't want to jump into these type discussion but...
If they remove the retailers for the GTCs, and only sell them in their stores...why would they bother keeping the GTCs around?
Having a game time card, and having your company (which normally just does a straight subscription charge) being the only ones to sell it just doesn't make sense.
Not defending or lambasting CCP over this, just wanted to point out that the "Get rid of GTC retailers and just sell them in your store" comments didn't make a single bit of sense.
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Cameron Vayle
Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:15:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Jernau Riggs A simple fix would have been to make american game time codes only work for american accounts
This would be the best fix CCP could do for this matter.
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Cire XIII
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:30:00 -
[84]
The question I have is what is the use of GTC retailers come June 15th? If the price is standardized then CCP should be able to handle selling them all. If it gives discounts to retailers then the retailers will lower CCP's sell price and do more business with less per unit profit.
It will also be interesting to see how other MMOGs react. I don't think eve will be hurt too bad by this, but it does set a dangerous precedent. MMOGs are addictive and progressive with hundreds of hours spent on a character. In order to keep that item people are more willing to pay out because of the bond with their character. The "industry standard" might become "hook players, then up the prices". Like the drug MMOGs are.
I would be much more "won over" if CCP announced it was in financial trouble, or offered some more believable, detialed explanation. Price correction to inflation is understandable. CCP did not state that as the reason.
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Sabrina Treadehugger
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:12:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Cire XIII The question I have is what is the use of GTC retailers come June 15th? If the price is standardized then CCP should be able to handle selling them all. If it gives discounts to retailers then the retailers will lower CCP's sell price and do more business with less per unit profit.
It will also be interesting to see how other MMOGs react. I don't think eve will be hurt too bad by this, but it does set a dangerous precedent. MMOGs are addictive and progressive with hundreds of hours spent on a character. In order to keep that item people are more willing to pay out because of the bond with their character. The "industry standard" might become "hook players, then up the prices". Like the drug MMOGs are.
I would be much more "won over" if CCP announced it was in financial trouble, or offered some more believable, detialed explanation. Price correction to inflation is understandable. CCP did not state that as the reason.
Very good post with a lot of insight and not the usual moronic "ccp is bussines doh"
But even explaining the price hike the removal of of 30day and 90day gtc for the sake of streamlining is just wierd and very bad for the gtc users.And why 60 days ?
What's next Coke selling only 1L bottles for the sake of streamlining ?
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:41:00 -
[86]
Don't worry, once the Euro crashes back down, as it only survived in the first place due to massive investment from outside sources (including the US), you'll be paying around the same amount then, maybe even less if our next president doesn't take our very unstable, yet surviving, economy and crash it through the floor.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:47:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Prochura I'm a poor Europian student, i buy GTC from shattered crystal because paying with credit card in europe is way more/too expensive. I could manage 2 accounts doing this, but with the price increase coming i don't think i'll be able to afford my second account.
Bye bye money, ccp
funny thing is, the new time cards are in fact trying to balance to make them cost for americans what it cost you guys over there.
thus you'll be giving them more money I think than before.
look back for where I figure out it's not an increase to anyone but people that are trying to pay less for eve/ don't have a cerdit card/ don't realize you can use your debit card.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:50:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Alassra Eventide Didn't want to jump into these type discussion but...
If they remove the retailers for the GTCs, and only sell them in their stores...why would they bother keeping the GTCs around?
Having a game time card, and having your company (which normally just does a straight subscription charge) being the only ones to sell it just doesn't make sense.
Not defending or lambasting CCP over this, just wanted to point out that the "Get rid of GTC retailers and just sell them in your store" comments didn't make a single bit of sense.
sure it makes sense.. well it makes as much sense as selling them to other people to sell in the frist place.
why do you think it's better for an online store to sell them over CCP?
it's basically for people that can't pay by card for some reason (thqat and trading for isk)
CCP already sells 50 day and 100 day cards on the site.
really 5$ extra just for the resellers doesn't make sense.
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