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Grim Vandal Burn Proof	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:06:00 - [121] In my opinion it is a great shame that eve has risk free lv 4 missions in high sec for noob corp pilots. If the above would NOT be the case this whole thread could be laughed off but sadly ccp seems to care about their carebears ... the reason they care so much about these cowards is cuz they pay good old $$$ ... that's it. IMO remove missions from eve and make it the cold harsh universe us PVPers dreamed about since beta. To try to please both pvpers and pve people just screams COMPROMISE = which in the end neither pleases any playstyle. jack of all trades comes to mind ... again imo it is a BIG shame to even talk about such bu.llshi.tt ! Greetings Grim
Anisa Schardl	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:14:00 - [122] Way to only read half of what I said, I don't know why I even bothered to post. Fact of the matter is, the PvE content in FW is the step between LowSec PvE and 0.0 PvE. You're about to say there is no PvE there, but that's your problem. More than likely you've never done a mission or mined an asteroid outside of nice comfy HighSec, and therefore, to you, there is no PvE that is not in HighSec space. If that's your cup of tea, then that's fine, play how you like. But realize that HighSec PvE is only one facet of Eve, and will not get attention every single expansion. I don't expect 0.0 PvP to get attention every single expansion (which, by the way, it's not in this expansion, you don't see me crying my eyes out about it), so why you think that you are more deserving of attention than anyone else is beyond me.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:28:00 - [123] ôWay to only read half of what I said, I don't know why I even bothered to post.ö I didnÆt read half your post. You seem to think I want No risk PvE content. Which is wrong, your assumptions about me are wrong. öMore than likely you've never done a mission or mined an asteroid outside of nice comfy HighSec, and therefore, to you, there is no PvE that is not in HighSec space.ö I spent 6 months in Catch during the first great war, later on I was part of a very well known large PvP alliance, done it all from large fleet ops, to small roaming gangs. I tried most types of PvP from large PvP alliances to small unknown PvP corps. ôBut realize that HighSec PvE is only one facet of Eve, and will not get attention every single expansion.ö Yes I know PvE isnÆt all in high sec but PvE has always had new stuff in every expansion. Why not this one? I donÆt count FW as PvE as there is far too many PvP parts to it. The whole thing is geared towards PvP. As I said before NPC content with lots of PvP is still PvP content. If the content involves PvP pretty much all the time then it cannot be classed as PvE. ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Fox Ogmo Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:33:00 - [124] There is PvE in FW. I was there on Sisi, there was lots of lag and explosions, but as the dust settled over the dozens of destroyed capitals we, the survivors, saw a plex in the distance. We warped, we entered, I saw the NPCs and I thought "Screw this, I'm gonna scout for another fleet to engage"
New Hampshire Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:50:00 - [125] The PvE (I'm talking about missions) is just such a GRIND . . . The skill is just in the fitting, and then you go out and WAIT. Ugh. Just got back into missions today. Lost a ship . . . it would take FOREVER to replace it with the time I have to play, and the mission itself, it was like "yeah, seen that before." I don't think this character will exist tomorrow, the only way to kill this addiction is to kill the character, it would take too long to replace. And NO, you CANNOT have my stuff.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:59:00 - [126] Cleaned Do not troll based on having a different perspective to someone else's playing style. We are all playing the same game, just in a variety of ways, it's what helps make EVE unique. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

New Hampshire Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:04:00 - [127] Originally by: Grim Vandal In my opinion it is a great shame that eve has risk free lv 4 missions in high sec for noob corp pilots. If the above would NOT be the case this whole thread could be laughed off but sadly ccp seems to care about their carebears ... the reason they care so much about these cowards is cuz they pay good old $$$ ... that's it. IMO remove missions from eve and make it the cold harsh universe us PVPers dreamed about since beta. To try to please both pvpers and pve people just screams COMPROMISE = which in the end neither pleases any playstyle. jack of all trades comes to mind ... again imo it is a BIG shame to even talk about such bu.llshi.tt ! LOL! You DO know the difference between a GAME and REALITY, don't you??? The thread is about PvE, which exists. If the game was as you'd like it, you'd be playing alone in front of a blank screen, because CCP would not be able to afford to keep it going due to players leaving. So the PvE is important. My complaint (and yeah, it's okay to complain, presumably if enough complaints are similar then the devs would be responsive to the complaints) is that in addition to there being no additional PvE planned, the PvE that exists is a GRIND, it just takes forever to do these missions. I came to Eve for a GAME not a CAREER.
Shirley Serious Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:14:00 - [128] Originally by: Pottsey Not even came across new missions. Out of the so called 100+ missions from 6months ago me and my corp mates have come across 2 new missions. A small point here. You refer to the Trinity expansion? and the 100+ missions in that? Well, facts are that there were lots of new missions, at all levels, probably mainly at levels 1-3, and faction specific ones too. There's those mining missions too. But if you're only doing level 4s for e.g. Fed. Navy, then you would not encounter even a fraction of the new missions. So, CCP made some new missions. You not coming across them is not because they aren't there, but because you're not doing the right things to come across them. Which isn't CCP's fault. Also, please answer this question: Have you been on the test server and tried the FW stuff for yourself? Yes or No.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:15:00 - [129] New navy ships. New capability to split rewards between up to 10 people, enabling fleets to do PVE together. New, enhanced rewards that make L5 missions worth doing. New NPC corps offering new kinds of missions with new kinds of rewards. New region with moons to mine and plexes to explore. New sexy Amarr ship for ninja salvaging and exploration. New invention calculations with the covert ops changes. I guess you're right, there's nothing for PVE here at all! ---------------- [insert signature here]
Iyanah MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Pottsey You might not like it but Eve is very much a PvE game I don't think you're playing the same game as us. the market and trading is PvP - you're competing against other players, mining is PvP, you're trying to get more resources than other people so you can buy more phat lewts, etc. mission running is mostly PvE, but has PvP elements (probers taking wrecks, lowsec people probing and podding runners). the new content contains a large number of missions, PvE content, but making it more like lowsec mission running, where you have a chance to be locaded by enemy probers and killed. we ALWAYS knew factional warfare meant more players-shooting-players, how are you surprised by this?
Kuranta Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:40:00 - [131] Edited by: Kuranta on 26/05/2008 23:40:33 Hey Pottsey, I'm still waiting for you to respond to my post here why the first expansion primarilly for those players in the middle (carebears willing to check out PvP) and neither catering the PvP nor the PvE guys is so bad?
New Hampshire Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:44:00 - [132] Edited by: New Hampshire on 26/05/2008 23:45:04 Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Pottsey You might not like it but Eve is very much a PvE game I don't think you're playing the same game as us. the market and trading is PvP - you're competing against other players, mining is PvP, you're trying to get more resources than other people so you can buy more phat lewts, etc. mission running is mostly PvE, but has PvP elements (probers taking wrecks, lowsec people probing and podding runners). the new content contains a large number of missions, PvE content, but making it more like lowsec mission running, where you have a chance to be locaded by enemy probers and killed. we ALWAYS knew factional warfare meant more players-shooting-players, how are you surprised by this? I think many may have been expecting balance. For example, is it true that the factional warfare will take place almost exclusively in low sec? That's a huge balance issue, it means that you'll need to be on the constant lookout for players who have lots of time to play and are in largish pirate gangs. CCP could have confined the factional warfare to deadspaces in high sec with ship limits (i.e. only frigs), but apparently they did not do so? I really get annoyed by the uber players who don't appear to have much going on in real life, who roam around in pirate gangs and then call the casual players who try to avoid them "cowards." But it's one thing to be annoyed by them and avoid them - and another thing entirely to have new content that won't permit you to avoid them. If I am incorrect in any of my beliefs (i.e. that factional warfare will take place in low sec) then please correct me . . .
Kathryn Dougans B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:49:00 - [133] Originally by: New Hampshire is it true that the factional warfare will take place almost exclusively in low sec? That's a huge balance issue, it means that you'll need to be on the constant lookout for players. It's in lowsec, yes. (currently - who knows about future?) If you're involved with factional warfare, you have to be on the lookout for the opposing militia players. How is having to watch for non-militia players with hostile intentions any different really?
Sidewayzracer Murder Training Facilites	Posted - 2008.05.27 00:11:00 - [134] Originally by: Pottsey After posting in the game dev to try and figure out what PvE content there is due in FW it appears there is no PvE content in FW which is a big shock. By the time FW comes out it will be 6months since the last expansion and last PvE content. If the next add-on follows the same timeline of 6 months and assuming it has PvE thatÆs a 1 year gap. Even if the next expansion is in less then 6 months thats still a very long time of no new PvE content. If it doesnÆt have PvE in the next addon thats more then 1 year. Anyone else unhappy about this? CCP have always in every single expansion catered to both PvP and PvE. Never have PvE people had to go for such a large gap with no new content. We donÆt pay a monthly subscription to go 1 year without new content. In the 4+years of playing Eve there has always been new PvE to do. No matter how you sugar coat it FW is PvP and no interested to many PvE pilots. Most of the things PvE pilots donÆt like about PvP is still in FW. Building a bridge between PvE and PvP is all good, but not at the expense of no new PvE content. Its just as bad as an expansion with PvE only content. There should always be a mix of the two. I always thought Eve was full of PvE only people. Eve is not a PvP only games. Surly more PvE players are unhappy about this. woohoo no new PVE content seriously PVE sux in general and i dotn care for it
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.27 00:21:00 - [135] the way you describe archeology sounds nifty, but most people are in the finally i scanned it down and analyze the can warp off and sell for profits and side note, i probably shouldn't post at 6am, the mods had some fun with them posts
Kehmor PAK	Posted - 2008.05.27 00:23:00 - [136] Ask yourself instead, what was the last PVP content added and how long ago was it? - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
New Hampshire Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.27 00:44:00 - [137] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans Originally by: New Hampshire is it true that the factional warfare will take place almost exclusively in low sec? That's a huge balance issue, it means that you'll need to be on the constant lookout for players. It's in lowsec, yes. (currently - who knows about future?) If you're involved with factional warfare, you have to be on the lookout for the opposing militia players. How is having to watch for non-militia players with hostile intentions any different really? Well, that's an excellent question. According to CCP factional warfare was meant to encourage the casual players and "carebears" (I don't think the two are always the same) to become more involved with PvP, which I think we all agree can be pretty intimidating NOT because some of us are "cowards," but rather because we don't like seeing an expensive ship go pop which took 3 or 4 weeks of play to be able to afford. If factional warfare had been in high sec, there could have been balance limits - like I said, frigs only in certain deadspaces. You could have gone there with a fairly cheap ship, had some fun, and no big deal if you lost. But with it taking place in low sec, how is that acting as a bridge for players who haven't done much PvP? Now, we go in with cheap, affordable ships and we're just going to get popped by roaming bands of players who have tons of time on their hands, far more than I will ever have to play this game, the result being a serious play imbalance. "Here is our vision, we want to promote small gang warfare, we want to create more accessible PvP and we want to create the feeling of the factions finally going to war." http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=502 Instead, we're essentially just getting pushed into low sec, which we already stay away from for valid reasons.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.27 00:49:00 - [138] Originally by: Pottsey ôhy don't you shield tank a Navy Mega about it?ö Like many other people I donÆt enjoy PvP I find it boring and none rewarding. I play and pay for Eve due to the PvE content. evev has pve content? seriousally the pve in this game is totally lacking and has for years, every mission same ect, every belt spawn same, complexes just an amalgation of the first few. not like I'm saying you can;nt have fun grinding I've done it before but there's not much pve content in eve already and if they manged to nail this one eve would be alot more fun for everyone. Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Clinically ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.27 01:10:00 - [139] "CCP plan no new PvE content for 1 year!" I hope so! Also, poasting in a carebear whine thread ________________ Originally by: Evil Thug I wear pink panties.
Alex Shurk	Posted - 2008.05.27 01:18:00 - [140] Edited by: Alex Shurk on 27/05/2008 01:19:00 Originally by: Pottsey No I am complaining about the lack of new PvE content. PvE missions based around PvP is what I consider PvP content as your fighting other players. There are a myriad of new missions in new space with new rewards (navy omen ***** drooltastic) in the upcoming expansion. You dont have to interact with a single player to take part if you dont want to. All you're doing here is showing how irrational and stupid you are for whining without first testing the content. That, or you realise all this, and you're *ing because the new content is in a pvp-rich environment. Wah wah wah. Whinge on darling. You don't like to pvp, others don't like to not** pvp. Different play styles should have their different environments. You've had a go at other people for being opposed to "your" play style, so why don't you stop being obtuse and realise that the PvE content is there, you just don't want to use it because it's tailored to other peoples' play styles.
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.27 01:27:00 - [141] Originally by: Pottsey Grinding for better epics/gear I thought only you PvP guys did that :) Always trying to out do each other. PvPers don't use faction gear. When you know your ship is going to out blow up it pays to fit it as cheaply as possible. You might get the occasional uber rich guy using an alt with a tricked ship but apart from capitals most people fit only t2. It's pointless to have a hug epeen ship that is going to go pop at some point. May as well just throw you ISK away. -
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.27 08:34:00 - [142] ôAlso, please answer this question: Have you been on the test server and tried the FW stuff for yourself? Yes or No.öö Very limited testing, I plan to spend a good few hours today after DT if anyone wants to show me where I am wrong. ôI'm still waiting for you to respond to my post here why the first expansion primarilly for those players in the middle (carebears willing to check out PvP) and neither catering the PvP nor the PvE guys is so bad?ö I thought I explained that but looking back it wasnÆt clear. In the past all expansions have always been for both the PvP and PvE people. We never had an expansion for just one group. I donÆt have a problem with an expansion for the hybrid group, I have a problem with an expansion thatÆs only for the one group. All expansions should cover both the pure alliance based PvP people and PvE people in empire. Having this hybrid bridge content between PvP and PvE is good but there should be a small amount of content for the PvE and PvP people. ôBut if you're only doing level 4s for e.g. Fed. Navy, then you would not encounter even a fraction of the new missions. So, CCP made some new missions. You not coming across them is not because they aren't there, but because you're not doing the right things to come across them.Which isn't CCP's fault.ö Yes it is CCPÆs fault. They added a load of low level missions and starter tutorial missions and almost nothing for the high level end game PvErÆs pilots. ItÆs a great way to lose players. Players donÆt want to go back to lvl 1 and 2 missions and to a lesser extent lvl 3 missions. What CCP did was good for the people working up to higher end PvE content but they have very little new PvE content for those already there. Something like 20% ish of those new missions where all 1 off tutorial missions you wonÆt do again unless you start a 2nd character. (Very Rough estimate didnÆt count the tutorial missions). The rest of the new missions pretty much all fall in the lvl 1 to 3 range. ôAsk yourself instead, what was the last PVP content added and how long ago was it?ô PvP has some content in mini patchÆs around March time I believe and thatÆs beside the point. The expansion should have stuff for PvE in empire and PvP in 0.0 not just the hybrid group in 0.4. When you think about it EA at least what we know about it hardly counts as an expansion its smaller then what other online games give as free content packs. It would not surprise me if some of EveÆs older content patches have more content then the EA expansion. ôThere are a myriad of new missions in new space with new rewards (navy omen ******* drooltastic) in the upcoming expansion. You dont have to interact with a single player to take part if you dont want to. All you're doing here is showing how irrational and stupid you are for whining without first testing the content.ö Not one person has told me how to do this new content without being forced into PvP. Instead of calling me irrational and stupid please explain how. If there is new PvE content without PvP in EA then why not just tell me on post 3 or 4 and this thread could have ended. I will be on the test server after DT or around DT. I donÆt really see mining and market as PvP. I see PvP as blowing up assists that belong to other players and trying to kill each other. In pure PvE only games you still have markets and mining and people donÆt count them as PvP. You donÆt go to a MMORPG and say hey it has great PvP mining or great PvP building. There is a difference between trying to out do each other on the market and carfting and trying to kill and shoot another player. I can see why you call markets PvP but its not how I see PvP. ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.05.27 08:38:00 - [143] Originally by: xena zena haha... ratting to get the iskies to buy pvp stuff in 0.0 is worlds different then running a level 4 agent in empire in an npc corp, in mentality of the player and mechanic of the game-play. Ok how about, the stuff the OP is crying about wanting is more solo-play anti-group content that he can grind to get better epics for his character, err gear for his ships. I don't see CCP spending tons of development time on things along those lines, things that are not directly supporting industry/building/market or pvp. Purely PvE agents and single-player content is NOT what EvE is. :P So essentially "When I do it is PvP or done for PvP, when others do it it is PvE and antisocial". Ratting is 0.0 as a social activity and a PvP activity is the pinnacle of ridicule. It is commonly done by sweatshop farmers (very famous for the PvP skills and social interactions), so if they can done it I fail to see how it require the PvP skills and mindset.
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.05.27 09:10:00 - [144] Joe Starbreaker: New navy ships. ok New capability to split rewards between up to 10 people, enabling fleets to do PVE together. ok (when it willl work) New, enhanced rewards that make L5 missions worth doing. really? little problem, it will reset the mission autobalancing system, so lowering the reward till they have been run enough times (note so far the autobalancing has not make them worthwile after several months, guess what will happen now ). New NPC corps offering new kinds of missions with new kinds of rewards. Unless there are new NPC coprs outside militia, it is a mixed PvP/PvE thing with a very strong PvP bent New region with moons to mine and plexes to explore. The moons and plexed are different from the others? don't think so, so it is not a change. New sexy Amarr ship for ninja salvaging and exploration. Amarr astro frigate, ok New invention calculations with the covert ops changes. Beside some inventor/builder swearing a bit about having researched the wrong BPO no effect. I guess you're right, there's nothing for PVE here at all!
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.27 09:30:00 - [145] No risk, no isk. Live with it.
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:31:00 - [146] Originally by: Grarr Dexx No risk, no isk. Live with it. Wrong quote, in this cas it is "Plenty of risk, still no isk"
Growler667 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:42:00 - [147] If you want PvE, play WoW. That's not meant as a dig - WoW's PvE blows Eve's away, because it's a PvE-centred game. Eve isn't.
Molpadia Devaux Applied Creations	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:50:00 - [148] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned Do not troll based on having a different perspective to someone else's playing style. We are all playing the same game, just in a variety of ways, it's what helps make EVE unique. Thank you Mitnal. More options, more opportunity and more playstyles create a healthier game. ( Not to mention more profitable ). Just because I prefer one style over another does not give me the right to degrade any other player for their playstyle. A mature gamer realizes content must be there for all styles of play, and pointless personal flames are counter productive. The overall health of Eve needs a proper balance of content for all players. Better discourse and productive ideas are the result of being able to walk a mile in anothers shoes.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:56:00 - [149] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Grarr Dexx No risk, no isk. Live with it. Wrong quote, in this cas it is "Plenty of risk, still no isk" God forbid that someone should do something that doesn't make a profit. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:58:00 - [150] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Grarr Dexx No risk, no isk. Live with it. Wrong quote, in this cas it is "Plenty of risk, still no isk" God forbid that someone should do something that doesn't make a profit. I can be all the carebear I want in alliance 0.0, tons of ISK, you should try it!

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