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Lisa Waen
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Posted - 2008.05.30 04:27:00 -
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The current Corporate Hangar system is very useful, but is unfortunately limited to corporation members only. Alliances should be able to establish offices (set up by alliance executor corporation), and have thier own Hangars as well.
Access rights would be sorted at the corporation level (example: Corp A has access to all divisions, Corp B has access to divisions 1,3,and 5, etc.) There would need to be an additional Corporate interface command to allow particular corp members access to the Alliance Hangar.
I feel this is a good idea because different corporations tend to emphasize different activities and there should be a method of sharing materials and goods between corporations independent of the ofttimes clunky contract method.
An example of an alliance hangar in action: Mining corporations drop all ores and minerals into division 1, and all ice and ice products into division 2. Manufacturing corps pull minerals and ore from division 1, builds ships, mods, and ammo and deposits them into divisions 3, 4, and 5, respectively. Combat oriented corps then access divs 3, 4, and 5 to pull out that gear to supply the ever-hungry war machine. This is just one example of how an alliance hangar could be utilized, and is by no means the only way to utilize alliance hangars.
In conclusion, the ability to utilize hangars designed for alliances should increase efficiency of goods transfers between corporations within an alliance, and is therefore a pretty good idea IMO.
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Lisa Waen
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Posted - 2008.05.30 04:27:00 -
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The current Corporate Hangar system is very useful, but is unfortunately limited to corporation members only. Alliances should be able to establish offices (set up by alliance executor corporation), and have thier own Hangars as well.
Access rights would be sorted at the corporation level (example: Corp A has access to all divisions, Corp B has access to divisions 1,3,and 5, etc.) There would need to be an additional Corporate interface command to allow particular corp members access to the Alliance Hangar.
I feel this is a good idea because different corporations tend to emphasize different activities and there should be a method of sharing materials and goods between corporations independent of the ofttimes clunky contract method.
An example of an alliance hangar in action: Mining corporations drop all ores and minerals into division 1, and all ice and ice products into division 2. Manufacturing corps pull minerals and ore from division 1, builds ships, mods, and ammo and deposits them into divisions 3, 4, and 5, respectively. Combat oriented corps then access divs 3, 4, and 5 to pull out that gear to supply the ever-hungry war machine. This is just one example of how an alliance hangar could be utilized, and is by no means the only way to utilize alliance hangars.
In conclusion, the ability to utilize hangars designed for alliances should increase efficiency of goods transfers between corporations within an alliance, and is therefore a pretty good idea IMO.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.30 04:42:00 -
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Sounds like a great idea to me.
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ceyriot
Induseng Enterprises
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.30 05:38:00 -
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Wall'o'text 
Supporting general idea, not to worried about specifics.
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Justen Kase
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Posted - 2008.05.30 06:11:00 -
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Sounds great. Glad to see some attention given to concerns other than PvP!
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Rulmre
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Posted - 2008.05.30 06:16:00 -
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Sounds like an awesome idea to me
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Lisa Waen
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Posted - 2008.05.30 06:32:00 -
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Sorry about the wall'o'text, but I just didn't want anyone misinterpreting my idea, hence details. Summary: Alliance Hangars Good!
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Amethyst Rage
Red Mercury Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.30 07:08:00 -
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/signed
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dj zon
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Posted - 2008.05.30 08:58:00 -
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Great idea, hoping something like this can be implemented.. Lets show some support on the subject yall :)
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.05.30 11:24:00 -
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I think this is a good idea.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.30 11:52:00 -
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and how are yo going to control what ppl take out of it?
When you have a refinery and ppl can take things out of the hangar and you cant check who did it is pretty much open the door to thiefs and scamers.
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BlondieBC
7th Tribal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:20:00 -
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Like the idea
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Kor'Dhuul
Infinite Development Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.30 14:13:00 -
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I really like this idea. Alliance mechanics as far as interaction between the corps of an allaince seem a tad underdone for my liking.
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Mengan
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.30 14:17:00 -
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Signed
Also, I would love that we could choose how many divisions there are in a corp/alliance hanger instead of a fixed amount.
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Jemakul Pechun
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:11:00 -
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I like the idea.
keeping record of who takes items out/ puts items in can simply work like a corperate hanger. only corp members that have:
A, Acess to the alliance hanger.
B, Acess to the containers in the alliance hanger.
C, Proper use of audit containers, to keep track of who puts items into the hanger containers and takes items out.
D, Proper use of corperate, or in this case alliance, settings will minimise the risk that someone can just gank all the items from the hanger.
With current corp hangers its possable to limit who has acess to the corperate hangers simply by setting titles / permissions. the same could apply here. the executor alliance sets what corps can have what permisions avalable for what alliance hangers, then the individual corps within the alliance say what members of theres that they trust with the permissions to there alliance hangers.
Useing audit containers, allows tracking of corperate/alliance goods. allowing some members to put items into the corperate / alliance hangers but if the items are locked in teh container they can not remove them. only members with permissions to unlock the items, can unlock and remove the items. then all the items are tracked on the container audit log. the container can not be deleted or repackaged as long as there is an item in the log newer than 30 days, so if someone does steal something, you have a record of what was taken, and who took the item. This dosent prevent thieft completely, but nothing in eve is 100% safe except completely locking everything you own down, and never leaveing a station, and wheres the fun in that?
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Lisa Waen
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
and how are yo going to control what ppl take out of it?
When you have a refinery and ppl can take things out of the hangar and you cant check who did it is pretty much open the door to thiefs and scamers.
Gyro, you have a good point. A log that records what, when, and who gives or removes objects from the hangar would be a help in that regard (it could also be useful for large corporations' hangars as well). If something big ends up missing from the alliance hangar, it would be then traceable to the culprit. This may not prevent theft in of itself, but truly theft prevention is more a function of management. If Joe from Corp A steals all the minerals that the alliance is saving, then bails, then shouldn't the CEO from Corp A be held responsible for giving Joe alliance hangar access anyway? And if the CEO doesn't adequately correct this internal security breach, the executor corporation could restrict or prohibit alliance hangar access. So would I be able to gain your support if there was a logging feature?
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Elden Bajingan
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Posted - 2008.06.01 01:22:00 -
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I like the idea
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Fera Bestia
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.03 04:07:00 -
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I like it. HERE HERE!!!
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Lord Fitz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 09:01:00 -
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I think the current hangar / permissions system and things like POS's need a major overhaul before something like this happens because otherwise they will be doing it twice. The ability to give corp roles to non corp members, and the de-coupling of roles to membership would really help. As well as more obvious things like allowing non-alliance members to use POS's via standing instead of via password (easily exploited). A complete change of the permissions and hangar systems would let things like this happen as a side effect, rather than having to code it in specially.
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:41:00 -
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support
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Nilder Shadowfiyah
3rd Millennium Group
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:34:00 -
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nathaniel flanders
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:37:00 -
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is this the new features and ideas forum? 
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ITTigerClawIK
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 18:38:00 -
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didnt read all the specifics but its a simple yet good idea
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eragon alseen
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.05 15:26:00 -
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Like it alot
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Mara Noan
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:18:00 -
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/signed
"Common sense, it's not that common."
Opinions are a dime a dozen, still this one is mine.
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Otellus
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.08.05 20:48:00 -
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Good idea.
I'd also like to see an abilty to rent personal hangars which you can share with other characters. Its annoying with several alts to have to switch around all the time to exchange stuff. Could also be a nice isk sink.
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dj zon
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:30:00 -
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ok so if this was such a grat idea why was it ignored??? i would like to see the creation of alliance hangers!!!
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DEATHsyphon
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.28 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: DEATHsyphon on 28/10/2008 22:32:14
Originally by: Lisa Waen
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
and how are yo going to control what ppl take out of it?
When you have a refinery and ppl can take things out of the hangar and you cant check who did it is pretty much open the door to thiefs and scamers.
Gyro, you have a good point. A log that records what, when, and who gives or removes objects from the hangar would be a help in that regard (it could also be useful for large corporations' hangars as well). If something big ends up missing from the alliance hangar, it would be then traceable to the culprit. This may not prevent theft in of itself, but truly theft prevention is more a function of management. If Joe from Corp A steals all the minerals that the alliance is saving, then bails, then shouldn't the CEO from Corp A be held responsible for giving Joe alliance hangar access anyway? And if the CEO doesn't adequately correct this internal security breach, the executor corporation could restrict or prohibit alliance hangar access. So would I be able to gain your support if there was a logging feature?
Even With logs people can take stuff,and as Gyro said there really wont be a way to limit access to it memebr to member and who would want to in alliances with 300+ people would be a pain. I do however support the idea in that an alliance hanger of some sort would be good for putting ammo, cap boosters and stuff that isn't worth much but very helpful to alliance members.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.10.29 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
and how are yo going to control what ppl take out of it?
When you have a refinery and ppl can take things out of the hangar and you cant check who did it is pretty much open the door to thiefs and scamers.
An open door to theives and scammers?! 5 stars for capturing the spirit of EVE!
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Ixion Dracolich
Comrades in Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.29 15:11:00 -
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Idea seems good but combine it with a logging mechanism and we has a winner :)
Adding a log to existing Corp hanger would be good too.
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Ris Dnalor
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2008.11.09 07:44:00 -
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alliance hangers good
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Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2008.11.09 11:06:00 -
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Calarin
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2008.11.09 22:48:00 -
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support
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Mesrin's dame
CF Capitalists Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.10 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mesrin''s dame on 10/11/2008 00:45:14
Full support. Didn't bother to read the other posts but I would rly like to see the option to dock a corp hangar array in someone else's POS if this idea doesn't go through with the alliance hangars. We have a mutual pos with our alliance guys and we would rly like everyone to have their own hangar in the pos. Would save us alot of time an money on jump fuel if we could acces the corp hangar array in the pos and have our own corp tab that we could use.
In any case: SIGNED!
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Elektrea
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.11.10 01:00:00 -
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I support 
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Ticondrius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.10 21:19:00 -
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Great idea is Great!  |
Orb Vex
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Posted - 2008.11.30 10:07:00 -
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Jeirth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.30 16:15:00 -
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Alliance hangars as an extra layer above corp hangars, yes.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.11.30 23:55:00 -
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IIRC in the 1st CSM meeting CCP said there was a technical limitation in the architecture of player>corp>alliance and hangar code that would require a major re-write.
What is the major thing you want to solve with this? Would it be satisfied by having market orders restricted to alliance only, or a faster way to make alliance only contracts?
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JVol
The IMorral MAjority
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.12.01 20:42:00 -
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Tyr Vaantau
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.12.01 21:29:00 -
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any greater kind of alliance mechanism is a good idea by my standards!
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Lisa Waen
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:15:00 -
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Serenity, the main goal of the suggestion was to be able to pool items for use by an alliance, allowing corporations to give and take as needed in an efficient manner. Corporations already have this ability for their employees via corp hangars. I was merely suggesting the next logical step, allowing alliances the same ability. Since this apparently will not happen due to CCP manpower limitations, Alliance-only market orders would not be the worst compromise I could think of. Unfortunately, I cannot think of a system that would be anywhere near as elegant as the drag-and-drop simplicity for players that an alliance hangar would provide. Even if it would require major changes to the code, based upon the support this thread has garnered, it would be a good endeavor for CCP to undertake for the happiness of the player-base.
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CozmoKramer
Capital Shipyard
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:20:00 -
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I could see this working, given that its access is limited and has some sort of security (mail the directors of executing corp) when something moves. You could limit access to CEOs ? Or CEOs plus one chosen member.
Also, I think the logistics don't need to be complicated. Limit to 3 tabs, could even be pre-named (Fuel, ships, other). Might be limiting for some, but limiting the use will also limit the work involved in making the feature from the get go.
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Mos7Wan7ed
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Posted - 2009.01.06 22:53:00 -
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there is a function in POS corp hangers that allow corp hanger access to alliance. its kinda broken at the moment tho.
if it could be set to allow read only for one way use.. like depositing ore or ice from a alliance level operation that would be nice.
Or give and take for alliance level logistics.
but still.. access still comes down to the corp level "hanger access other" roles.
to prevent thieves POS managers can password shields and give passwords out to those that need to have access.
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JAK480
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Posted - 2009.01.07 09:18:00 -
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Would add more opportunities to an alliance. |
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 09:06:00 -
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2009.03.09 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vuk Lau on 09/03/2009 09:29:24
I was already proposed this idea by more then few players, and as leader of one big alliance I totally support this it. Both small and big alliances can benefit from this. I will raise it for the following meeting.
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Darth Shenron
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Posted - 2009.03.10 02:26:00 -
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Got to be good
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Research Operator
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Posted - 2009.03.22 19:40:00 -
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I see no downside. The security risks would be identical to the existing hangar system, and would be managed the same way. If a given alliance felt the risks were too high, they would not have to use it!
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Rapidos
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:46:00 -
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Very Good idea, i could do with this. |
Phoebus Draco
Phoebus Ouroboros
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
I was already proposed this idea by more then few players, and as leader of one big alliance I totally support this it. Both small and big alliances can benefit from this. I will raise it for the following meeting.
Good! I hope to see VAST improvements to the way alliances are permitted to operate via providing more options to players sometime soonish. Really, any organization of players should never ever be limited by a simple (simple in the negative context of the word) user interface.
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Treelox
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.06.09 13:27:00 -
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excellent more hangers for me to potentially rob, I like it 
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