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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.01 07:16:00 - [1] Edited by: MotherMoon on 01/06/2008 07:22:06 Anyone remember when we were freaking out over the wallpapaers on the Factional warfare expansion site? WEll it's ok! because now a real page of "screenshots" have been added, just to make sure new players joining eve will see what game play really looks like, not like those silly wallpapers with the ships failing apart and everything. Linkage I like this one, I remember those effects in game. EDIT (Actually minus the model breaking into three piece all of the effects in the screenshot are from in-game) So, be honest with us CCP, is this a new feature planed for the future or what? your sure as hell advertising it. If the trailer for EA comes out and has these effects, AND it's not planned at all to be put into the game some day I will dissapointed, as one of the cooest things about eve trailers has always been it's all real time graphics. Sure it's running with super AA and such, 10 times higher rez textures. But it's all game play if you see it, it can happen. Well other than the nyx but that's a story line thing. I'm talking about normal combat that these "screenshots" show. it's not advertising some event in eve, it's just a normal example of eve gameplay for incoming players. So PLEASE CCP! Tell us what is up :( What do you guys think? PR move? or are these examples of a future update? Because honestly, they look great.
ELECTR0FREAK Dragon Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.01 07:35:00 - [2] Well if I remember right, after Trinity was released, CCP did make a statement say that improved effects were coming as well. I think I saw somewhere that they said the new effects wouldn't make it into this expansion, but will be coming afterwards. This is just from my crappy memory, so hopefully someone can link something to shed some more light on it all. They've said that Ambulation (Station Walking) was coming out in 2008, so I'm going to guess that's going to be in late fall / early winter. It's possible that the weapon effects stuff was delayed by the staff being needed to work on that project as well. If you notice, Empyrean Age (aside from Rank graphics) is almost exclusively content stuff after Trinity's primarily graphic expansion. Perhaps they've got the content and art departments running 2 different expansion projects at the same time, with staggered releases? That would support my theory of a graphic-based expansion coming after Empyrean age that includes updated weapon effects and Ambulation. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.01 07:40:00 - [3] Edited by: MotherMoon on 01/06/2008 07:40:03 hmm well I know for a fact that CCP works on a system where there are multiple projects being worked on by multiple teams. Each feature as I understand it is developed for 1 to 2 years before release. By having 4 teams run starting at different times they can release an expansion every 6 months that has been in the works for the past 1 to 2 years. What I'm worried about is the link shown to players on the Sci-Fi channel are showing these shots. So it gets my hopes up, but I don't think it's going to happen until later... but the screenshots! ...
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Frug on 01/06/2008 08:16:42 Yeah the first thing I thought when I saw those screenshots is that it looks dishonest because they're clearly doctored. But now that you mention it, if it's a planned graphics update, then that's awesome. I just... have my doubts. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Ral Ulgur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:26:00 - [5] I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun. well those hualers where the original typhoon models... maybe were getting combat fitted faction hualers! WOOOOO! haha j/k :P I wish.
Ujarc2	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun. You the one apoc in two pieces?
Leviathan9 Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:45:00 - [8] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun. well those hualers where the original typhoon models... maybe were getting combat fitted faction hualers! WOOOOO! haha j/k :P I wish. Maybe they're switching the models back. Imo Typhoon should have the mammoth hull cos it looks soo much cooler. ----------------------------
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.01 14:55:00 - [9] Oh no, Now I'm hopeful that they will not only add effects but give me my cooler hull back :P
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:07:00 - [10] Would be a shame if the effects dont come with this exspansion, at least then everyone could benefit from it. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
emepror The Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch THE VILLAGE PE0PLE	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:22:00 - [11] i want to see missile launchers :( NOT JUST SPAWN MISSILES FROM THE MIDDLE
Bahhs Deep	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:41:00 - [12] Bottom right pic... An Armageddon wreck....broken in half. I think I need to change my pants... REAL WRECKS FTW!!!! List of People I WILL NOT offer ransoms to. Inoue Zael,Hawk Pryde,Edward England,Kid Brat,Lord Scourge,Slayerseb, Blind John
Neth'Rae Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.01 16:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Neth''Rae on 01/06/2008 16:13:25 I'd like a CCP Response to this, it would be lame if they've actually staged the screenshots.. Also, doesn't the trails from the rifters look a bit stronger? Request signatures at EVE-GFX
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:53:00 - [14] Originally by: emepror i want to see missile launchers :( NOT JUST SPAWN MISSILES FROM THE MIDDLE True, it doesn't seem that hard to do for guns. Personally I don't they need to make missile turrets, just map missile turrets into the ships. For instance the bellicose has visible missile launchers. The stabber does to. The drake is another example. For the rest of the ships just make a texture that opens up like a missile bay hidden in the ships and then fires a missile and then it closes again.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:58:00 - [15] Now there is docked video on the ad for eve online on the mmorpg.com site. It shows a rifter swinging back and front in space as it takes fire.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Neth'Rae Edited by: Neth''Rae on 01/06/2008 16:13:25 I'd like a CCP Response to this, it would be lame if they've actually staged the screenshots.. Also, doesn't the trails from the rifters look a bit stronger? I made a thread about this right after the FW features page went live and got no Dev response. With the bulldog attitude they have been taking about correcting posts with the wrong information about FW and EA I think that maybe we will see this in the expansion. Devs feel free to 'Correct' me plz. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Neth'Rae Edited by: Neth''Rae on 01/06/2008 16:13:25 I'd like a CCP Response to this, it would be lame if they've actually staged the screenshots.. Also, doesn't the trails from the rifters look a bit stronger? I made a thread about this right after the FW features page went live and got no Dev response. With the bulldog attitude they have been taking about correcting posts with the wrong information about FW and EA I think that maybe we will see this in the expansion. Devs feel free to 'Correct' me plz. yes please devs. And like I stated I posted this because now there are MORE pictures showing these effects.
KenDoll	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:05:00 - [18] Edited by: KenDoll on 02/06/2008 01:06:04 not sure why they even bothered with screenshots seeing as how there is no real content other than factional based warfare, not exactly original (or complicated an idea) and 4 years overdue in itself anyways. doubt it will bring any new subscribers.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:11:00 - [19] Originally by: KenDoll Edited by: KenDoll on 02/06/2008 01:06:04 not sure why they even bothered with screenshots seeing as how there is no real content other than factional based warfare, not exactly original (or complicated an idea) and 4 years overdue in itself anyways. doubt it will bring any new subscribers. you sir haven't been part of eve uni or other learning corp have you? Almost every new player asks "So... can I go to war with the ammar? or whatever race happens to be what the story calls for. However your missing the point of the whole thread, the point is the only feature ARE factional warfaree like you said. and yet they are showing screenshots. SO This thread is asking "WTF! is that ship breaking apart!?!" and hopefully this thread will with the older thread about the wallpapaers, get CCP out of hiding.
Zeba Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:16:00 - [20] Originally by: MotherMoon However your missing the point of the whole thread, the point is the only feature ARE factional warfaree like you said. There was a very specific post from Wrangler stating that FW was only part of the EA feature set. Which means that there is other stuff not yet officially mentioned to well.. Mention. Bet they won't say **** till right before EA goes live the bastages. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: MotherMoon However your missing the point of the whole thread, the point is the only feature ARE factional warfaree like you said. There was a very specific post from Wrangler stating that FW was only part of the EA feature set. Which means that there is other stuff not yet officially mentioned to well.. Mention. Bet they won't say **** till right before EA goes live the bastages. I disagree I bet they will release the information to some random third party mmorpg news site before EA goes live :P Then what you said :)
Mattikus Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:01:00 - [22] I'll add my opinion...yes...the screenshots are heavily photoshopped and no...I really dont think we will see this in the expansion either.
Reven Cordelle	Posted - 2008.06.02 09:34:00 - [23] IMO, 'shopped. I remember seeing the screenshots for Trinity when that was released and it doesn't really look the same in game now. The complete lack of AA probably has something to do with it, but its definately bad karma if they're showing fragmenting wrecks rather than an explosion, then a blob of metal scraps, and then it just turns out to be a blob of metal scraps in EA too. I'll happily eat my Racoon tail cap if they deliver on the graphics however.
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.06.02 10:17:00 - [24] Edited by: Melor Rend on 02/06/2008 10:17:35 I noticed the same thing before the last release (when the graphics were updated). The so called "in game screen shots" had little to do with the actual game besides the models of the items being the same. I even made a thread about it after the release with comparison between the advertisements and the real thing and there are massive differences. Of course the quality of the graphics wasn't as good on my PC as on the screen shots but that wasn't all - there were for instance logos and writing on the screen shots that simply don't exist in game ... so thats a dead giveaway that the pictures were not made in EVE or at least not in the version of EVE that was then released. I find it OK if CCP makes ads to attract new customers with "enchanced" screen shots but I find it wrong if CCP releases material that is supposedly "taken from the game" when it actually has nothing to do with the actual game besides the models. The screen shot of the rifter for instance is clearly a fake or if not then it was massively edited and enchanced to make it look better then what we (the paying customers) actually get. So basically I really don't like being lied to by some PR-guy... make two homepages: one with the fake screen shots to attract customers and a "real" page that you can only access with user & password that has actual game footage and not marketing rubish. Or otherwise put a fat red warning above the pictures that reads "these pictures may not be real EVE graphics". Less PR-lying please.
Dan Grobag Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.02 10:39:00 - [25] Effect in eve suck, they make your fps single digit and look bad. The torpedo explosion is more pixelated than doom and gun trails look like ms paint line if you're too far.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.02 11:34:00 - [26] I started a post like this in the old Emp. Age. thread when it was first announced and the site went live. The term commonly used for this kind of thing is "bullshot". :) As for the ships looking better, well you'll notice they look pretty spanky in the trailers as w well (look back at the Trinity trailer too). CCP's stated (too lazy to find link) that they're using extremely high resolution textures which we do not have in the premium content (yet?) to make those. Presumably it's the same for the screenshots, and then edited to add some creative splashes here and there. Is it 100% accurate to the game? Conceptually yes, visually not so much. But the concept is what's being marketed, the visuals already sell themselves. warp drive active \| nature vraie
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.02 12:07:00 - [27] Legal question: If they claim it's an in-game screenshot and it isn't, does that amount to false advertising?
Darth Felin	Posted - 2008.06.02 13:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Melor Rend I find it OK if CCP makes ads to attract new customers with "enchanced" screen shots but I find it wrong if CCP releases material that is supposedly "taken from the game" when it actually has nothing to do with the actual game besides the models. Well as I remember from some dev posts around trinity. Every screenshot is taken from the game actually. But it is not from tranq client but CCP internal one with "all enabled". It features higher resolution textures some more effects that were removed for performance reasons and so on Originally by: Melor Rend The screen shot of the rifter for instance is clearly a fake or if not then it was massively edited and enchanced to make it look better then what we (the paying customers) actually get. A little bit better textures or more layers can make a wonderful difference
Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.02 13:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Darth Felin Originally by: Melor Rend I find it OK if CCP makes ads to attract new customers with "enchanced" screen shots but I find it wrong if CCP releases material that is supposedly "taken from the game" when it actually has nothing to do with the actual game besides the models. Well as I remember from some dev posts around trinity. Every screenshot is taken from the game actually. But it is not from tranq client but CCP internal one with "all enabled". It features higher resolution textures some more effects that were removed for performance reasons and so on Hence the screen shot is fake, taking the shot in a 3d modeling program or in a beefed up client that only devs have access to amounts to the same thing, CCP are lying to their current and potential customers. I hope these effects will be released on TQ otherwise CCP have actually managed to sink to SOE's level, which is bad. -----
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.02 13:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Hence the screen shot is fake, taking the shot in a 3d modeling program or in a beefed up client that only devs have access to amounts to the same thing, CCP are lying to their current and potential customers. I hope these effects will be released on TQ otherwise CCP have actually managed to sink to SOE's level, which is bad. They're not lying. It's called marketing. I'm not saying it's a awesome to do that sort of thing, but it's definitely not new to the industry. In my opinion, EVE doesn't NEED that kind of thing given how fracking gorgeous the engine is. If CCP is having a hard time taking pretty pictures they should let me know -- I've got zillions. :D warp drive active \| nature vraie
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 13:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Hence the screen shot is fake, taking the shot in a 3d modeling program or in a beefed up client that only devs have access to amounts to the same thing, CCP are lying to their current and potential customers. I hope these effects will be released on TQ otherwise CCP have actually managed to sink to SOE's level, which is bad. They're not lying. It's called marketing. I'm not saying it's a awesome to do that sort of thing, but it's definitely not new to the industry. In my opinion, EVE doesn't NEED that kind of thing given how fracking gorgeous the engine is. If CCP is having a hard time taking pretty pictures they should let me know -- I've got zillions. :D But winterblink your forgetting how CCP has commented more than once that they might put this feature back into the game :( SO for everyone that ever heard them say they might put it back, were really confused because the hope is there.
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Winterblink They're not lying. It's called marketing. The two are not mutually exclusive. Marketing can be full of lies.
london Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:31:00 - [33] I kinda wish CCP would just tell us if EA is getting the new effects or not, Instead of leaving us playing the speculation game. That is all.
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.06.02 16:42:00 - [34] Originally by: london I kinda wish CCP would just tell us if EA is getting the new effects or not, Instead of leaving us playing the speculation game. That is all. Well from past experience they do like doing that. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
Saiutt	Posted - 2008.06.02 17:18:00 - [35] If its just a question of not releasing the hi-res textures because of performance issues, why not release an optional patch/texture pack so players (like me) with good enough hardware can enable hi-res textures and enjoy the shmexy gfx?.. and players with older pcs can use the default textures. I would have thought releasing the higher poly models mentioned by MotherMoon as an optional patch would be less of a possibility than the textures but if not, same argument as above applies. CCP, if you've paid your artists and they've spent the time producing hi-res textures, why keep them(the textures not the artists) locked away only to come out for trailers?
Trojanman190 Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:33:00 - [36] If ships don't break apart in the expansion I will be extremely ****ed. Putting shots like that into 'Screenshots' if they don't really exist is akin to straight up dishonesty.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:10:00 - [37] There, I've just given you a much bigger fish you can fry. I look forward to reading about the results of the lawsuit. warp drive active \| nature vraie
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Winterblink There, I've just given you a much bigger fish you can fry. I look forward to reading about the results of the lawsuit. once again winterblink, sure my sandwhich might not look that good but at least it will have sort of bacon. and some sort of cheese.
Neermark JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:33:00 - [39] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Winterblink There, I've just given you a much bigger fish you can fry. I look forward to reading about the results of the lawsuit. once again winterblink, sure my sandwhich might not look that good but at least it will have sort of bacon. and some sort of cheese. Eve has both Bacon, Cheese and Whine so why go to McD ? Yay For the new ALIGN BUTTON !!!!
Ral Ulgur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Ujarc2 Originally by: Ral Ulgur I don't understand the second to the last picture. Two tempests, a rifter and a bunch of hauler are heading for an Amarr station. Why did they bring the haulers? Are they loaded with fertilizer? The two apocs visible at the rhs are sure gonna have fun. You the one apoc in two pieces? Lol, you got h4xxed for a few words there, but I think I can reconstruct what you were trying to say... and damn, you are right! I didn't notice that those two apoc were actually two half apocs...
Saiutt	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:01:00 - [41] Edited by: Saiutt on 02/06/2008 23:02:37 Yer.. its only noticable really in the larger image. Also, is it just me or does the station look like its been 'shopped aswell? Its most obvious on the top left dome shaped bit.. Surely thats more than just AA? Its got a thin black line around the edge. I would go so far as to suggest its not even rendered by any version of the trinity engine. It looks like an artists drawing thats been plonked on top of the image. http://www.eve-online.com/empyreanage/assets/screenshots/07_large.jpg
Titas Agor TITANS OF PEACE	Posted - 2008.06.03 04:48:00 - [42] i figured i'd reply to this thread as i feel its a pretty hot topic and definately should be discussed more.... still no official word from the Devs eh? lol @ winterblink with the burger..... so true! :) as for the main topic... well... i feel its pretty simple really CCP should absolutely never say "actual gameplay" or "actual ingame footage" if its not. These screenshots ARE ingame footage, the trailers ARE taken from ingame footage but as been stated before, not "our" version that we play. Which "could" be miss-leading to someone whos never even looked at eve-online before. its kinda bork of CCP to release screenshots thats quite clearly the DX10 version of EVE. You can force the premium graphics to use AA with some tweaking and software but defiantely doesn't look ANYTHING as good or high res'd textures as the screenshots/trailers are. Its called marketing, but they are from the game, just not our current version of trinity, yet. Most likely several reasons for this which i'll list a couple i think could be reason. 1) CCP need the game to look its absolute BEST it can possibly be for advertising reasons, when your selling a product you REALLY wanna make it look the best product there is. 2) CCP are most likely waiting for the everyday gamer to catch up with technology, im personally am STILL running a BFG 7800GS A.G.P board. ACIENT!!! just as an example. NOT everyone has the top of the line machines to run eve like those screenshots, alas, not released the high res text and DX10 build for premium, yet.... 3) Ambulation.... this still isn't released yet... possibly a xmas release (we can all but hope) but if you remember from one of the very first times it was even mentioned about ambulation, you would only be able to have ambulation enabled if u hav DX10. This would co-inside a possible DX10 client of the premium graphics engine to boot. Which would make the most sense as its essentially a graphic expansion, it would include all things DX10, and of course, would be added to jus like FW will be added to down the road to expand it. final anylisis.... the screenshots and trailers may NOT be in "our" current versions of FW/Trinity/Premium gfx client, the devs are using it, so its there! and alas 'taken from ingame footage' thats my take on it all anyway..... and i seem to remember that a dev mentioned they use a diff client to the one we use for development purposes in an interview once.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.03 04:51:00 - [43] Titas I want to believe these are taken form some version of the cilent. However it just seems like.. they are shoped... please CCP?
Titas Agor TITANS OF PEACE	Posted - 2008.06.03 04:56:00 - [44] well i think you'll find that their not... as i said it could come off as very miss-leading to someone who's never seen eve-online before and expect the game to look like those screenies.... but an offical word would be nice though, and those screenshots and wallpapers for FW, SWEEEEEEEET!!!! lol... does make it look awfully good
Saiutt	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:29:00 - [45] But Titus, what about my comment.. the station has a black line around the edge. You wouldnt get that if it was a rendered 3d model would you? http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6789/eveshoppedshotay8.jpg (Annotated screen shot)
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.03 06:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Saiutt But Titus, what about my comment.. the station has a black line around the edge. You wouldnt get that if it was a rendered 3d model would you? http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6789/eveshoppedshotay8.jpg (Annotated screen shot) well that is a station in game, go check it out.
Mr Friendly	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:48:00 - [47] CCP uses a non-compressed texture pack (at the very least) for their screenshots. That's been admitted by a dev in the past. I've no idea if they have a dev-haxxed client as well, but it wouldn't surprise me. My system has all the available consumer bells and whistles forced on and my screenshots look worse than texture resolution alone should explain. Still looks great, it just doesn't look like the 'official' shots. 'In-game' should mean 'in-MY-game'. Except we're all so used to being jollied along, we don't protest when companies lie to us. At least CCP does it less than other companies. Still, I doubt we'll see those enhanced backgrounds and effects for months (or longer). I'd love to be proven wrong though :)
Zey Nadar Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:56:00 - [48] Originally by: emepror i want to see missile launchers :( NOT JUST SPAWN MISSILES FROM THE MIDDLE

CCP Redundancy	Posted - 2008.06.03 09:42:00 - [49] There are very few new "renovations" features in this expansion, although work on that is continuing in the background. The issue is that it takes a lot of effort to release those, and that usually precludes doing a major release with other big features at the same time. However, there are ship graveyards at sites that make sense in the backstory from the book, and those have been renovated (although you won't be seeing your own Naglfar splitting apart like that if you get blown up). I'm not 100% sure if we're still using uncompressed textures for screenshots - The reason that it was done in Trinity was because they had to start making marketing material before all the work was finished, which included the work to decide on the best compression scheme. Most of the shots you see with the high res textures also lack shadows because of this, because the shadowing scheme relies on the ships being baked down to a final form. I hope that answers most of your questions - I can't answer anything about planned release dates for more renovations work, because I don't know, and it's possibly still subject to change. The work is still going on to get the content ready regardless.

Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.03 09:58:00 - [50] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 03/06/2008 10:01:04 Originally by: Winterblink There, I've just given you a much bigger fish you can fry. I look forward to reading about the results of the lawsuit. While the burger looks better then it does in real life everything shown in the picture is present when you purchase it, EVEs screen shots advertise features that are not present when you play eve hence CCP lies to its customers more then SOE does. Touching up screen shots is fine, everyone does it and everyone knows everyone does it, adding stuff you wont see in the game means its no longer a screen shot, its becomes artwork/concept art/wallpaper. Screen shots are supposed to show people what the game looks like, not what developers want it to look like. -----
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:17:00 - [51] Edited by: Melor Rend on 03/06/2008 10:26:05 Edited by: Melor Rend on 03/06/2008 10:25:01 Edited by: Melor Rend on 03/06/2008 10:20:40 Originally by: CCP Redundancy There are very few new "renovations" features in this expansion, although work on that is continuing in the background. The issue is that it takes a lot of effort to release those, and that usually precludes doing a major release with other big features at the same time. However, there are ship graveyards at sites that make sense in the backstory from the book, and those have been renovated (although you won't be seeing your own Naglfar splitting apart like that if you get blown up). I'm not 100% sure if we're still using uncompressed textures for screenshots - The reason that it was done in Trinity was because they had to start making marketing material before all the work was finished, which included the work to decide on the best compression scheme. Most of the shots you see with the high res textures also lack shadows because of this, because the shadowing scheme relies on the ships being baked down to a final form. I hope that answers most of your questions I'm sorry to say: No, you did not answer the questions that were asked here. I would like you to answer the following question for me: If I go to the bank, withdraw 10k Ç, go buy the best gaming computer money can buy and then install the current version of EVE:EA on it and increase all graphics settings to the max, will I be able to get exactly the same screen shots as the ones that you claim are "taken from the game"? a) No b) Yes Btw. and I mean "exactly" the same... not "the models are the same but with totally different textures" (which may or may not be released sometime within the next five years...) I want to know if the screenshots you are selling us as "in game" are actually what I (as a paying customer) can get from your product in the form you deliver it to me in exchange for my money... or are these screenshots only some nice fantasy that some marketing dude got shopped? Thats what I want an answer to. Thx.
Marmios	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:24:00 - [52] No new effects in EA? :(

CCP Redundancy	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:48:00 - [53] You won't get "exactly" the same shots, no. The guys doing the screenshots have tools to set up screenshots using game assets that do exist in the game client you install, in locations and situations that don't necessarily exist in the game itself, but this isn't that different to the situation you get with expensive Italian sports cars pictured in privately owned scenic locations you could never take one you bought to - the car however, exists as pictured.

Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.06.03 10:59:00 - [54] Edited by: Melor Rend on 03/06/2008 10:59:54 Originally by: CCP Redundancy You won't get "exactly" the same shots, no. The guys doing the screenshots have tools to set up screenshots using game assets that do exist in the game client you install, in locations and situations that don't necessarily exist in the game itself, but this isn't that different to the situation you get with expensive Italian sports cars pictured in privately owned scenic locations you could never take one you bought to - the car however, exists as pictured. Thanks for the response Mr. Redundancy! So that means the screenshots are products of marketing and to be taken as such... thats good to know (and not totally unexpected either). I'm glad that CCP admits to this fact (even if the homepage, screenshots and videos are still missleading to any newer players that don't know they are being shown "screenshots using game assets that do exist in the game client you install, in locations and situations that don't necessarily exist in the game itself").
london Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.03 11:42:00 - [55] Thanks to the reply. I really don't think it's such a big deal. "We are being lied to" is a little over-dramatic. The game looks fantastic, i wouldn't say the differences from those shots to actual are really all that much. Obviously those shots are going to be setup to form somewhat of a narrative. The guy who posted the screen-shot highlighting things that are different is truly nitpicking.

CCP Redundancy	Posted - 2008.06.03 11:44:00 - [56] Edited by: CCP Redundancy on 03/06/2008 11:45:50 I believe you can and do get comparable images from within the game world as it exists, so I don't believe that this is misleading. It would certainly be possible to be misleading if you were trying, but that's not what I believe we do, and I think you have an overly narrow view of what is and isn't representative of the graphical quality of the game that's portrayed in the screenshots (any screenshot without the UI clearly isn't selling representative gameplay). I also notice that we specifically didn't preface the Empyrean Age trailers with a declaration that it was taken within the game engine (even if most of it was), which we do on most other videos because they haven't been touched up (with the station explosion, mainly). Even then, the trailers still aren't described as being representative of the gameplay, so much as the feel and vision of Eve.

AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:08:00 - [57] Edited by: AltBier on 03/06/2008 12:12:37 Originally by: CCP Redundancy (although you won't be seeing your own Naglfar splitting apart like that if you get blown up). Then this image is in no way a screenshot of the game which will be available in June 2008, as it shows a ship breaking apart while it explodes.
Sarin Adler	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:23:00 - [58] For me it would be fair enough if I could turn on AA & filters, that's the only thing that is screwing me graphics wise as at 'low'res (1280x1024) in a small screen (17 inch) it's ugly. And I've all maxed out.
Mattikus Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:10:00 - [59] Edited by: Mattikus on 03/06/2008 13:11:09 Originally by: Sarin Adler For me it would be fair enough if I could turn on AA & filters, that's the only thing that is screwing me graphics wise as at 'low'res (1280x1024) in a small screen (17 inch) it's ugly. And I've all maxed out. You can turn AA on!!! If you have an Nvidia card go to the driver control panel and select: AA - Overide any application setting. Then put it to whatever you want 4x, 8x, 16x, etc. I never play EVE without AA....at least 4x. You can also use a program called Nhancer to force AA and all that good stuff on if you are having trouble with the driver ctrl panel.
Trojanman190 Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:22:00 - [60] You know CCP, you could have avoided this entire stupid thread simply by telling your dudes to use regular explosions and not show ships breaking apart. People buy games based on the ingame screen shots and if we can't shoot a ship and watch it break apart then that's not really a screen shot now is it. In the future, we kindly ask you not get our friggin hopes up just so as to attract a few more players. But, at least you know what we want now. Ships breaking apart! Please! "Popping" is dumb!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:45:00 - [61] Thank you CCP! That was all I wanted to hear honestly. It's good to know that they might not be real shots (duh I know you can set them up) But it's great to know that at least those wrecks in the screentshots will be in the game floating around! I still wish you'd remodel the asteroids but that's another thread and another story :P And Also understand, this thread wasn't about the trailers, those didn't show anything we couldn't see in game I understand that. And trust me I understand that your not using you DX10 models, I have the art book and OMG I can't wait until you do :P So thanks for the reply, I'll add your reply to the op and we can "hopefully" let this thread end as your answered our my question.
Sarin Adler	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:48:00 - [62] Edited by: Sarin Adler on 03/06/2008 13:50:53 Originally by: Mattikus Edited by: Mattikus on 03/06/2008 13:11:09 Originally by: Sarin Adler For me it would be fair enough if I could turn on AA & filters, that's the only thing that is screwing me graphics wise as at 'low'res (1280x1024) in a small screen (17 inch) it's ugly. And I've all maxed out. You can turn AA on!!! If you have an Nvidia card go to the driver control panel and select: AA - Overide any application setting. Then put it to whatever you want 4x, 8x, 16x, etc. I never play EVE without AA....at least 4x. You can also use a program called Nhancer to force AA and all that good stuff on if you are having trouble with the driver ctrl panel. I'm ATI unfortunatlly, have tried several ways and it's impossible. On topic... CCP tactics are not fun at all, as these are not screenshoots taken from the current in game graphics (the ones EVERYONE can use I mean), please don't seel them as such. Post them as wallpapers or whatever, but not as screenshoots.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:50:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Redundancy Edited by: CCP Redundancy on 03/06/2008 11:45:50 I believe you can and do get comparable images from within the game world as it exists, so I don't believe that this is misleading. It would certainly be possible to be misleading if you were trying, but that's not what I believe we do, and I think you have an overly narrow view of what is and isn't representative of the graphical quality of the game that's portrayed in the screenshots (any screenshot without the UI clearly isn't selling representative gameplay). I also notice that we specifically didn't preface the Empyrean Age trailers with a declaration that it was taken within the game engine (even if most of it was), which we do on most other videos because they haven't been touched up (with the station explosion, mainly). Even then, the trailers still aren't described as being representative of the gameplay, so much as the feel and vision of Eve. Trust me I know, I've seen some eve vids (playermade) that look just as good as any trailer you make. I think the issue was the way they move or the way they "explode" I mean I know you never said "taken form gameplay" it's just... the word "screenshot" is misleading not the pictures them selfs.

CCP SessionChange	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:01:00 - [64] Hi everyone, it's about time I replied to one of these threads. Just a short introduction, I'm SessionChange and I'm the screenshot artist here at CCP. As Redundancy has said, we have tools here which we use to set up scenes. We can take screenshots at many times the resolution of the screen and use these screenshots for marketing purposes. As someone stated above, textures alone are not enough to explain the quality of the screenshots, it is the fact that the screenshot is taken at roughly 8000 x 5000 resolution and then reduced in size that gives the impression that we are using uber anti-aliasing when in fact we are not. As far as the scenarios are concerned and which Redundancy did not cover, specifically the shots of ships blowing up in ways hitherbefore unseen, I'll address those concerns now. There are new assets ingame coming in "Empyrean Age" and, as far as I am aware, these include but are not limited to the wrecks shown in our screenshots. The screenshots admittedly hint at things that are not available to players ingame; yes they will be able to see wrecks ingame that look exactly like the ones in our screenshots, but these wrecks will not appear when your ship explodes, they're static wrecks which are not destructable and used for the graveyards. Now, this does not mean that someone cannot replicate our screenshots in-game when the patch is released as you will still be able to fire missiles at them and it will appear as though the ship is breaking up. I hope this settles this thread and answers any questions that remained. Thanks

Sarin Adler	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:08:00 - [65] Thanks for your anwer SessionChange, was very informative (about the wrecks & stuff). Well I hope someday we can at least use AA & stuff ingame, that would get us graphics at least close to the screenshoots you do, which are wonderfull anyway.
Kilhu Emmek Redshift Industrial	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:16:00 - [66] Originally by: AltBier Legal question: If they claim it's an in-game screenshot and it isn't, does that amount to false advertising? Yeah, at least in the US, and it'll get your ass fined by the Federal Trade Commission (and they don't take payment in deep fried puffins, you puffin murdering bastards). Before "lol Iceland," CCP's an American company now, too, with that office in Georgia (I think--I get CCP and Adult Swim confused sometimes). They really should hire an American lawyer at some point. Ex-player friend (lost one too many suicide kestrels and is all bitter and </3 at CCP) emailed me about the television commercial and was all "omg law suit." My exhortations to him to post "WTB: LIFE" in whatever game he's playing aside, he kinda has a point, albeit not about the commercial (I don't think they claimed that was in-game footage, did they?). --
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.06.03 14:43:00 - [67] I really hope this is part of the long awaited Trinity Part II effects graphics upgrade. That would be awesome!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:03:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP SessionChange Hi everyone, it's about time I replied to one of these threads. Just a short introduction, I'm SessionChange and I'm the screenshot artist here at CCP. As Redundancy has said, we have tools here which we use to set up scenes. We can take screenshots at many times the resolution of the screen and use these screenshots for marketing purposes. As someone stated above, textures alone are not enough to explain the quality of the screenshots, it is the fact that the screenshot is taken at roughly 8000 x 5000 resolution and then reduced in size that gives the impression that we are using uber anti-aliasing when in fact we are not. As far as the scenarios are concerned and which Redundancy did not cover, specifically the shots of ships blowing up in ways hitherbefore unseen, I'll address those concerns now. There are new assets ingame coming in "Empyrean Age" and, as far as I am aware, these include but are not limited to the wrecks shown in our screenshots. The screenshots admittedly hint at things that are not available to players ingame; yes they will be able to see wrecks ingame that look exactly like the ones in our screenshots, but these wrecks will not appear when your ship explodes, they're static wrecks which are not destructable and used for the graveyards. Now, this does not mean that someone cannot replicate our screenshots in-game when the patch is released as you will still be able to fire missiles at them and it will appear as though the ship is breaking up. I hope this settles this thread and answers any questions that remained. Thanks That's cool so i's game game models, it's just not our ships doing the exploding. Good to know it's not photoshoped or drawn in stuff.
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:04:00 - [69] Originally by: CCP SessionChange The screenshots admittedly hint at things that are not available to players ingame; yes they will be able to see wrecks ingame that look exactly like the ones in our screenshots, but these wrecks will not appear when your ship explodes, they're static wrecks which are not destructable and used for the graveyards. Thanks for the reply, but things are still far from clear. The 'wreck' in the screenshot still has it's engines on, exactly the same as the non-wreck in the background, so the Rifter is not merely shooting at a graveyard wreck.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:07:00 - [70] Originally by: AltBier Originally by: CCP SessionChange The screenshots admittedly hint at things that are not available to players ingame; yes they will be able to see wrecks ingame that look exactly like the ones in our screenshots, but these wrecks will not appear when your ship explodes, they're static wrecks which are not destructable and used for the graveyards. Thanks for the reply, but things are still far from clear. The 'wreck' in the screenshot still has it's engines on, exactly the same as the non-wreck in the background, so the Rifter is not merely shooting at a graveyard wreck. how do you know? I bet the engines are still running on the client too to make ti spooky. or th screenshots are bugged :P
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:37:00 - [71] Yes, maybe some Rifters are flying past an old wreck, which still has its engines running and looks brand new except for being only very slightly broken up, and the Rifters are firing missiles at the wreck instead of at the functioning transport vessels in the background.
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.03 15:44:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP SessionChange As someone stated above, textures alone are not enough to explain the quality of the screenshots, it is the fact that the screenshot is taken at roughly 8000 x 5000 resolution and then reduced in size that gives the impression that we are using uber anti-aliasing when in fact we are not. 8000 x 5000 resolution Now ... about fan-fest ...
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.03 16:05:00 - [73] The screenshots are clearly misleading. Taken in 8000 x 5000 that is neither available or reasonable for the user and scaled down gives the impression of AA at a level that is not available to the client. Using static assets but leaving the viewer to assume this happens in "action" is similarly misleading. None of this is illegal. We just came to expect more from CCP and it's taking us a long time to get used to them just being another company. A bit more... - misrepresentation: screenshots - avoidance: hiding the blue bars in unfavorable threads - misleading the community: it's not a price hike, it's a simplification - general community mismanagement: Wrangler, sorry man but your not doing as good a job as you could ...and it'll start sinking in. Just let us live in denial a little longer. ---------------------------- Originally by: CCP Subscription I'm sorry Sir your European I'll have to charge you 58% extra
Titas Agor TITANS OF PEACE	Posted - 2008.06.04 00:26:00 - [74] Thanks CCP session change, that was a good and detailed reply... i had thought that using an extremely high resolution could be the cause of the nice videos and screenshots.... It'd be nice if you guys could release some of these ultra high resolutions to the client so we could actually make the same results as you guys.... -hint hint-
Hazrah Ni'Kunrah 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.06 17:18:00 - [75] tbh, I dont know what some of you guys are whining about. Who cares if they are 100% in game or doctored up a little. Its marketing. Live with it. Hell I'm greatful that they even responded.
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.06 17:26:00 - [76] Originally by: Titas Agor Thanks CCP session change, that was a good and detailed reply... i had thought that using an extremely high resolution could be the cause of the nice videos and screenshots.... It'd be nice if you guys could release some of these ultra high resolutions to the client so we could actually make the same results as you guys.... -hint hint- I don't think any publicly available graphic card (even in SLI or CrossFire) supports THAT resolution. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.06 17:31:00 - [77] CCP SessionChange, If at all possible, could you tell us how much new graphic assets (fancy term, I like it!) are there in EA expansion? Cheers. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.

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