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Play Dead
Altruism.
Malice.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:05:00 -
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In Fade yesterday, Red Alliance entered L-C3 with a 120 man fleet seemingly to reinforce some towers stating that they were here for our stations (ours being Project Alice, Malice and CLF).
Soon after their support fleet moved next door into the Malice. home system of C4C. Their support fleet as well as some carriers moved into position at Club Vandersexx and began to attack the cloning service. They cyno'd in around 40 or so capitals that they had next door (barring one Revelation which was pointed outside of the L-C3 station, forcing their support to come back to get it untackled).
RA was able to reinforce all 5 large towers in C4C. I approached their FC to see what terms could be reached for a surrender and basically received the ultimatum "turn your towers off sov-claim today and we'll see", however the most interesting thing about this discussion with Greenhalf was that after speaking with him for a time he offered my alliance the chance to remain in the area as residents without sovereignty if we promised to assist in taking Cloud Ring.
I informed him no deal could be struck without us continuing to hold sov in our current stations. He then offered the stations in Cloud Ring to us if we assisted them in their campaign which was laughable considering the low quality of the region (sorry Sacul <3).
It remains to be seen if RA is truly interested in Cloud Ring or if they will be heading to Deklein. One thing is for certain, RA are not out looking for good fights but simply to throw their weight around opportunistically in power vacuums against smaller, fledgling alliances grabbing territory and high-value moons while NNC shows their usual cowardly demeanor and inability to look two steps forward until it's one of their home systems under attack.
As far as Cloud Ring goes, RA continues to beat their chest as if that was their goal in taking all the stations in Pure Blind and Fade so be prepared UNNAT.
For now, C4C station's name has been changed to "Strontium Timers set to LOL" and that's exactly how we feel, with the last tower coming out tomorrow around 0400GMT.
Play Dead
Malice.
Executor
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Ciaphas Khaine
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:10:00 -
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Let me be the first to welcome our new Russian overloards.
BOOST EVERYTHING THAT I FLY! NERF EVERYTHING I DONT! |
MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 03/06/2008 18:12:58
tis like 2006/early 07 except replacing bob with the ra/tcf/goon/******* loads of other alliances napfest taking over the game.
theres no happy end to this saga :(
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VinkNut
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:14:00 -
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of course there is 
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thelung187
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:14:00 -
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Having been -10 to RA for the past 3-4 years, I can say this: RA are like patient wolves. They can bring numbers, and have the ships and the monetary capital to back up most (if not all) of what they choose to bring to the table (whether being in a defensive or offensive posture). Whether *you* can manage a sustainable defense against that is entirely based on the level of patience and dedication your alliance membership has. Suffice it to say, if 80% of your Malice does decide to cut and run, you won't be the first, so take it on the chin if that's how it plays out.
Otherwise dig your friggin heels in.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Moon Kitten on 03/06/2008 18:24:34
I'm not familiar with the Malice. power block. Would you care to introduce yourself and your allies?
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Zeitgueist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:23:00 -
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These RA, they come like thieves in the night, and lay waste to you and everyone you hold dear.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:28:00 -
[8]
 Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine
Let me be the first to welcome our new Russian overlords.
Second!
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NaNNeR HaMMeR
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:34:00 -
[9]
3rd?.....
This man KNOWS how to HaMMeR a NaNNeR |
Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:36:00 -
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I want to know whose GF Sacul nailed to get RA to travel that far to kill him.
More importantly, where's the pics?
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Play Dead
Altruism.
Malice.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:37:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Sacul
Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine
Let me be the first to welcome our new Russian overlords.
Second!
You know me Sacul, if they had thrown in a case of Vodka and maybe a few mail order brides it would have been a done deal.
Moon Kitten: we're three alliances that have been cooperating in Fade to live here (Celestial Frontier, Project Alice and ourselves). |
xBlood
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:39:00 -
[12]
You tried to surrender on the first day of assault.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Now you see what I meant when I said you alliance was ... lacking.
By that...I mean you suck. Horrifically.
Anoint Recruitment |
Gence Hal
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:41:00 -
[13]
every alliance with a period at the end of its name deserves to die
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:41:00 -
[14]
Sorry to hear the news Play Dead. 
Sadly, I've been calling this for weeks since they first arrived in Pure Blind but nobody listens. Now maybe the larger powers in the North will take notice and quit sitting on their hands watching as RA moves into position to take anything it wants.
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Karbowiak
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:42:00 -
[15]
So..
Is this the time to do a sell out to the Russians?..
Any RA who wanna gain an advantage in the comming war, GIEF ME ISK !.. 
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:43:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Pohbis on 03/06/2008 18:46:27
Hold on, wait a minute...
Your allies help GoonSwarm safe a tower next door, and then RA jumps in and starts claiming your space?
Why would they do th... oh wait, nevermind, you said RA
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Play Dead
Altruism.
Malice.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:52:00 -
[17]
ITT: Anoint, a 5 man corporation that begged me to let them join show their bitterness for being kicked.
Get over it kiddies. =)
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:53:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Astasia Orian on 03/06/2008 18:53:03
We are RA. We will add your dysprosium and promethium to our own. etc etc.
And yes I'm pretty jealous tbh :(
Also can we get an update on how project alice is doing? I see they got a mention here.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:57:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Edited by: Astasia Orian on 03/06/2008 18:53:03
We are RA. We will add your dysprosium and promethium to our own. etc etc.
And yes I'm pretty jealous tbh :(
Also can we get an update on how project alice is doing? I see they got a mention here.
we would prefer to hide in the shadows of other entities until we have something worth talknig about
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Bruce Sterling
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:00:00 -
[20]
Originally by: NATMav
Sorry to hear the news Play Dead.
Sadly, I've been calling this for weeks since they first arrived in Pure Blind but nobody listens. Now maybe the larger powers in the North will take notice and quit sitting on their hands watching as RA moves into position to take anything it wants.
The north doesn't do anything of any consequence without razor telling them to do so, and rzr are firmly in goons pocket.
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Karbowiak
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Play Dead
ITT: Anoint, a 5 man corporation that begged me to let them join show their bitterness for being kicked.
Get over it kiddies. =)
wait, what?..
1st: we're more than 5 people.
2nd: we didn't beg you, we asked you if we could join since we we're awesome (which we really are haha)
3rd: we wanted to leave in the first place, you only kicked us when we had just gotten our stuff out - and why? because we didn't wanna be on VT whenever we we're online.
So next time, get your facts straight, or is that too hard for someone whos playing dead ?
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MasterDecoy
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:07:00 -
[22]
so can we start paying rent now?
Originally by: Evilempire1
good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
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Djan Anaplian
Cisco Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:11:00 -
[23]
'We are the RA, you will be assimilated, resistence is futile'
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Bin Matar
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:24:00 -
[24]
Russians planning worldwide domination.
Thats a new one
EvE local gem of the week
Quote:
[20:25:09] wtfepixz > did someone just shoot me?
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Ciaphas Khaine
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:25:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Bin Matar
Russians planning worldwide domination.
Thats a new one
nice, i lol'd irl
BOOST EVERYTHING THAT I FLY! NERF EVERYTHING I DONT! |
Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:36:00 -
[26]
Bah, I thought this thread was going to be about Age of Conan.
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Bapp
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:38:00 -
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:39:00 -
[28]
I hate real life analogies projected on eve but seeing some reactions to RA spreading its wings makes me think of 1950's home guards classics like "Duck and Cover"
I demand ccp introduce a 'scorched earth' feature, when you have sov. 2 you can blow up all the stations in the constellation and laugh at the hordes coming in system
You could have attleast attempted a token fight play dead since well ermm RA has proven how to set a alarm clock before.
I am sure they will lol hard at your stront timer when nobody but them is in local and you sleep sound.
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xCOUNTx
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:43:00 -
[29]
Edited by: xCOUNTx on 03/06/2008 19:43:08
fraps of the invasion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnd0qg4I_MM
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Up untill I read that Goonswarm post all my 9-11 anger was directed towards Muslim terrorists. I guess I have expand the targets for my own anger. |
Zulana Chas
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:47:00 -
[30]
Play Dead ,
You got a pretty honest and straight forward answer from
thelung187
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
either be ready to dig in and fight or evac , choice is yours
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Kichigai
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:52:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Kichigai on 03/06/2008 19:52:00
o7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbjQeW8KRn0&feature=related |
Lorq vonRay
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:01:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Bin Matar
Russians planning worldwide domination.
Thats a new one
yea, wonder if they will fail as bad as they did in rl |
steveid
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:11:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Play Dead
In Fade yesterday, Red Alliance entered L-C3 with a 120 man fleet seemingly to reinforce some towers stating that they were here for our stations (ours being Project Alice, Malice and CLF).
Soon after their support fleet moved next door into the Malice. home system of C4C. Their support fleet as well as some carriers moved into position at Club Vandersexx and began to attack the cloning service. They cyno'd in around 40 or so capitals that they had next door (barring one Revelation which was pointed outside of the L-C3 station, forcing their support to come back to get it untackled).
RA was able to reinforce all 5 large towers in C4C. I approached their FC to see what terms could be reached for a surrender and basically received the ultimatum "turn your towers off sov-claim today and we'll see", however the most interesting thing about this discussion with Greenhalf was that after speaking with him for a time he offered my alliance the chance to remain in the area as residents without sovereignty if we promised to assist in taking Cloud Ring.
I informed him no deal could be struck without us continuing to hold sov in our current stations. He then offered the stations in Cloud Ring to us if we assisted them in their campaign which was laughable considering the low quality of the region (sorry Sacul <3).
It remains to be seen if RA is truly interested in Cloud Ring or if they will be heading to Deklein. One thing is for certain, RA are not out looking for good fights but simply to throw their weight around opportunistically in power vacuums against smaller, fledgling alliances grabbing territory and high-value moons while NNC shows their usual cowardly demeanor and inability to look two steps forward until it's one of their home systems under attack.
As far as Cloud Ring goes, RA continues to beat their chest as if that was their goal in taking all the stations in Pure Blind and Fade so be prepared UNNAT.
For now, C4C station's name has been changed to "Strontium Timers set to LOL" and that's exactly how we feel, with the last tower coming out tomorrow around 0400GMT.
Play Dead
Malice.
Executor
BoB alt spotted.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:26:00 -
[34]
Open for empire business... 
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Ciaphas Khaine
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:28:00 -
[35]
Originally by: The Hooch
Open for empire business...
save us jeebuz... screw that, SAVE US HOOCH!
BOOST EVERYTHING THAT I FLY! NERF EVERYTHING I DONT! |
Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:44:00 -
[36]
Way too much belly aching about RA on these boards as of late...don't like them, then shoot them...pretty simple...
MDK Recruitment Info |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:46:00 -
[37]
Sorry to hear the bad news PD.
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PsychoBones
Sons of Plunder.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:01:00 -
[38]
Originally by: xBlood
You tried to surrender on the first day of assault.
In all fairness, this is RA we're talking about.
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FOFOFOF
CRAPSTORM
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:17:00 -
[39]
got balls?
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:19:00 -
[40]
Originally by: PsychoBones
Originally by: xBlood
You tried to surrender on the first day of assault.
In all fairness, this is RA we're talking about.
120 people, 40 capitals. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:27:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: PsychoBones
Originally by: xBlood
You tried to surrender on the first day of assault.
In all fairness, this is RA we're talking about.
120 people, 40 capitals. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
That's an RA gank squad.
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Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
MineralOel Steuer
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:44:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: PsychoBones
Originally by: xBlood
You tried to surrender on the first day of assault.
In all fairness, this is RA we're talking about.
120 people, 40 capitals. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
That's an RA gank squad.
It's RA "Scoutgroup", they will hotdrop 600 bees on you, if you don't surrender.
The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch.. |
Moctobot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:47:00 -
[43]
ra rules
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Antonius
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:53:00 -
[44]
Thread delivers.
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thelung187
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 21:56:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Zulana Chas
Play Dead ,
You got a pretty honest and straight forward answer from
thelung187
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Shhh, you're going to ruin my reputation with talk like that!
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:21:00 -
[46]
The OP reeks of bitterness.
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Khatred
ReallyPissedOff
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:50:00 -
[47]
I think they will stop at Berlin. But where is Berlin in EVE?
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Popperr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:59:00 -
[48]
Berlin is Nol, you see much like the second world war, the two "war machines" or deus ex machina of war (socio-political-military-industrial-hegemonies) much represented as actors in this "drama" of sorts, is maleable to the interpretations of the psyche or projections of rational interlude in the paradigmatic ontical representation of "nowness" or "then-ness" comparable to a reinterpretation of the rationality dependent on the otherness of historical adjuntment within the re-personification of otherness associated with the trans-temporal-symetry of the socio-groupings of this game or "playing-togetherness"
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:00:00 -
[49]
Have fun RA!
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Eleese
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:12:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: PsychoBones
Originally by: xBlood
You tried to surrender on the first day of assault.
In all fairness, this is RA we're talking about.
120 people, 40 capitals. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
Isn't that kinda relative to how big your own force is?
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Mikaela
Shadow Incursion
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:29:00 -
[51]
After what Goon and RA are doing atm its time for a new great war, everyone side with bob and wipe the real nasty alliances off the map
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ILikeTastyPie
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:51:00 -
[52]
Seems like red alliance are getting about everywhere. There presence in pure blind is annoying us, we are only a small corporation but have been trying to annoy them. We jumped in 6 bs into a 20 man red alliance camp, and they ran off the gate and came back with a gang of 55 people lol, all I know is if you wanna fight these ppl you better have the numbers, cos they don't fight fair...at all.
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Jadzia Blue
Department of Truth Enhancement
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:57:00 -
[53]
Originally by: ILikeTastyPie
Seems like red alliance are getting about everywhere. There presence in pure blind is annoying us, we are only a small corporation but have been trying to annoy them. We jumped in 6 bs into a 20 man red alliance camp, and they ran off the gate and came back with a gang of 55 people lol, all I know is if you wanna fight these ppl you better have the numbers, cos they don't fight fair...at all.
Cry some more.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:01:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: Butter Dog
120 people, 40 capitals. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
Isn't that kinda relative to how big your own force is?
I was under the impression Project Alice alone could field more caps than that, which in a defensive situation would surely give them the advantage. Perhaps I am mistaken though.
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Anton Marx
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:30:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Mikaela
After what Goon and RA are doing atm its time for a new great war, everyone side with bob and wipe the real nasty alliances off the map
RA will never fall. Never underestimate the Russian mentality. The real-life association lovers here should know better :)
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:33:00 -
[56]
too bad RA survived the last onslaught.
Once the new onslaught begins (whenever that may or may not be) I wonder how long they will survive... they do have goons, tcf, etc so I'd imagine it would be hell to remove them. |
Moonlight Express
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:12:00 -
[57]
How does it feel to be used and abused? Bad, bad BoB must die, so that RA can have all the moons in EVE.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Khatred
I think they will stop at Berlin. But where is Berlin in EVE?
xzh used to be g's capital right?
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Steakkbone
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:17:00 -
[59]
Originally by: xCOUNTx
Edited by: xCOUNTx on 03/06/2008 19:43:08
fraps of the invasion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnd0qg4I_MM
Hell March ftw
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:29:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
How does it feel to be used and abused?
Can't speak for anyone else. Normally I've got to pay extra and tip well for that kind of service. Enjoy it!
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PsychoBones
Sons of Plunder.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:23:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Mikaela
After what Goon and RA are doing atm its time for a new great war, everyone side with bob and wipe the real nasty alliances off the map
This pretty much isn't all that far from the truth. What BoB thinks of this, I don't know, they are probably the only entity in Eve atm that could stand toe to toe with RA and be successful.
Everybody else need to be watching themselves. I see no reason for RA not to attack the NNC. With the exception of BoB, there really isn't any alliance or coalition of alliances in Eve atm that could stand up to RA. It basically is gonna take another massive NAPfest similar to the one that pushed BoB back in order to keep RA from owning whatever they want to own.
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:43:00 -
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You gotta remember something.
Whats in it for BoB or the gbc for that matter, by participating in such a nap fest with former enemies.
I dont see it happening. |
Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:48:00 -
[63]
You made your bed now lay in it.
The truth will set you free
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PsychoBones
Sons of Plunder.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:06:00 -
[64]
Originally by: rValdez5987
You gotta remember something.
Whats in it for BoB or the gbc for that matter, by participating in such a nap fest with former enemies.
I dont see it happening.
I have to agree with you. BoB can stand up to RA, there is no need for them to NAP anybody. Nor would they IMO. Obviously I don't know what's in BoB's head, but it's my belief that they would rather die to RA (Not that I can honestly see it happening) than NAP with the likes of RZR, MM, etc.
The question is, where does that leave the rest of Eve? Having seen both RA and the NNC in action, it is my opinion that the NNC would not be able to hold back RA should RA make a serious bid at taking their space. And who else is there? RAGoon, the NNC, and the GBC are really the only major power blocs in Eve atm. Smashkill have their hands full with Goons alone atm, IAC have enough internal problems of their own to deal with. INSRG and friends really have no interest in engaging in a large-scale fight like that.
If RA decided that they wanted to own all of 0.0, much like BoB said they wanted to a few years back, what would stop them?
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:21:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: Butter Dog
120 people, 40 capitals. Doesn't seem insurmountable.
Isn't that kinda relative to how big your own force is?
I was under the impression Project Alice alone could field more caps than that, which in a defensive situation would surely give them the advantage. Perhaps I am mistaken though.
you are mistaken
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:29:00 -
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Quote:
You made your bed now lay in it.
Couldn't of said it better myself. It only serves their little coalition right that they are destroyed by the same individuals that they joined the nap fest with against the "common evil" of BoB and the gbc.
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I have to agree with you. BoB can stand up to RA, there is no need for them to NAP anybody. Nor would they IMO. Obviously I don't know what's in BoB's head, but it's my belief that they would rather die to RA (Not that I can honestly see it happening) than NAP with the likes of RZR, MM, etc.
The question is, where does that leave the rest of Eve? Having seen both RA and the NNC in action, it is my opinion that the NNC would not be able to hold back RA should RA make a serious bid at taking their space. And who else is there? RAGoon, the NNC, and the GBC are really the only major power blocs in Eve atm. Smashkill have their hands full with Goons alone atm, IAC have enough internal problems of their own to deal with. INSRG and friends really have no interest in engaging in a large-scale fight like that.
If RA decided that they wanted to own all of 0.0, much like BoB said they wanted to a few years back, what would stop them?
Well the NNC could delay the inevitable... But tbh I do see BoB and the gbc being the only thing standing in RA's way of dominance of 0.0, and its my belief that the gbc is more then capable of withstanding an assault. If the huge coalition couldnt kill them before, RA by themselves won't be able to either.
If I were Band of Brothers, I would be keeping my eyes on three places. Catch, Fountain, and paragon soul.
Catch- -A- has in fact been taking sov, and IAC wont be able to withstand punishment much longer. I would give IAC 3 months to live if things keep going on like they are. Whether or not this could be BoB's change to get GF's and take catch forthemselves in the aftermath is up to them.
Fountain- Not that bruce was ever a threat, but now that they are pulling out to syndicate, and PL is setting up shop, I think BoB reclaiming all of fountain wont be too big of a task. PL is just keeping it warm.
Paragon soul- Blackout folded in no time flat, goons are busy in geminate. Chances are they didn't want that region anyway.
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Vile rat
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:19:00 -
[67]
It's the "thanks for helping" world tour.
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PsychoBones
Sons of Plunder.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:24:00 -
[68]
Originally by: rValdez5987
Well the NNC could delay the inevitable... But tbh I do see BoB and the gbc being the only thing standing in RA's way of dominance of 0.0, and its my belief that the gbc is more then capable of withstanding an assault. If the huge coalition couldnt kill them before, RA by themselves won't be able to either.
If I were Band of Brothers, I would be keeping my eyes on three places. Catch, Fountain, and paragon soul.
Catch- -A- has in fact been taking sov, and IAC wont be able to withstand punishment much longer. I would give IAC 3 months to live if things keep going on like they are. Whether or not this could be BoB's change to get GF's and take catch forthemselves in the aftermath is up to them.
Fountain- Not that bruce was ever a threat, but now that they are pulling out to syndicate, and PL is setting up shop, I think BoB reclaiming all of fountain wont be too big of a task. PL is just keeping it warm.
Paragon soul- Blackout folded in no time flat, goons are busy in geminate. Chances are they didn't want that region anyway.
Im interested in seeing what the map looks like 3 months from now as old coalition partners die under the onslaughts of BoB, goonswarm and RA.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I honestly don't see the GBC or RA going after each other. It would be way to much of a meatgrinder for whichever side took to the offensive. Both sides have enough capital support to crash a node with using only caps, and the end result would be a lot of ships lost without any real progress being made.
The NNC is a bit different. I honestly think they have the manpower and resources to withstand a RA assault. However, the thing I question about them is their resolve. I think if RA made a strong push into the north, we would see an epic clash for the first month, maybe two, but I would see the NNC cave under the relentlessness of RAs assault.
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Embers of Time
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dalamar One on 04/06/2008 05:59:34
Agreed, it's all very political atm.
If we look at the 3 playing factions it is a game of cat and mouse.
Currently, BOB and the GBC are recovering from a very long war. BOB is strong and determined but no doubt it is taking a small, well deserved, break from a long war.
The Southern coalition is no doubt taking a sort of break from the war against BOB. However, it has a few fights going on internally, which was quite expected from the start. Such as various alliances withing the coalition being left out to dry or being attacked. Such as CA in feyth, then KOS against AAA, then Black-out. Plus, goons are attacking Smashkill which does have some northern friends. RA is running all over the map.
The northern coalition is securing it's assets and sort of sitting back it seems. It has RA and the southern coalition approaching on it's outer territories in some areas.
If we look at each section, we can see what may be going on.
BOB and the GBC are recovering after a very long war that had great odds against them. We can argue numbers all day, but most of their original pets/allies were not very pvp oriented. Overall, they survived and are rebuilding slowly. It is unlikely that BOB will do anything that will provoke a strong response, so I see any major offensives/defenses being limited to their border regions of fountain and paragon souls. I doubt anything will happen in catch.
The northern coalition is in a unique position. It has control of alot of territory in the north. And while the Northen coalition is strong and could probably withstand an assault by RA, it is unlikely that it could handle an assault by the southern coalition or the GBC. So the leaders are most likely trying to sit back atm and assess the situation and see what is going on. They will not make a move against BOB without the southern coalition. Plus, they will most likely let RA move in on their moons/territory slightly to prevent a southern coalition attack.
The southern coalition is trying to play clean up. While RA is taking what it can because others are afraid. Goons are trying to remove the last real obsticle between them and a unified force against BOB. Which would be SmashKill. Sure, SMASHKILL and the GBC aren't friendly, but in the greater scheme they are on the same side in a way. So Goons hate them causing issues within the coalition and are trying to remove them.
This is where the balance comes into play. The GBC and the souther coalition are sort of at a stand off. This could be argued all day, but we'll leave it at that. The northern coalition (NC) could easily decide things in either favor. However, BOB and the GBC aren't too fond of the NC and will most likely not work with them. BOB are pretty much straight forward on this. However, if the NC worked with the SC, and eventually defeated the GBC. They would be leaving themselves wide open to the SC with nobody to help defend it. And RA/Goons have no real problem backstabbing alliances as long as it fits their needs.
So we have 3 major players.
The NC, trying to secure and survive. Strong, but just not strong enough against either of the 2 southern powers. Enjoy good fights but not going out of their way to get it. Several alliances grouping together to survive. It works.
The GBC, fairly strong with BOB as the back bone. Looking for good fights and has no problem being arrogant or going out of their way to get it. Such as original claims to conquer all of 0.0. BOB with smaller alliances clinging to them because they don't have the industrial might of BOB or because they love PvP.
The divided SC, with the goons with the declaration to destroy EVE. RA with the intent to farm it. And several other alliances trying to survive by grouping up with them.
Overall, it's a very big political field. Will be interesting to see what happens.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:12:00 -
[70]
Won't happen.
You guys know how much 0.0 there is? No single entity can control it, and with inflation making cap ships cheaper and cheaper, there's more groups than ever willing to fight for a little piece of 0.0-pie.
BoB did the best in this regard (0.0 dominance), but even they were buffered by the T2 BPO windfall. RA and NNC have what? Dyspro and Prom moons? They're relying on an economic mechanic so clearly foobared that CCP will have no choice but to change it?
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Bayer22
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:28:00 -
[71]
i don't think they're saying that one entity will control all of 0.0 but a coalition of alliances controlling a good majority of it. the SC i believe have enough # to control a good sizable chunk of space. and if smashkill does get pushed out of drone region then there is basically the NC in tenal, branch, deklein, and tribute. GBC in Delve, PB, and Querious. maybe foutain too if they do make a bid for it but i think that might be overextending themselves. and the rest of 0.0 will be owned by the SC.
i have nothing against anyone personally but that thought alone is kinda scary. if that does happen then 0.0 will be fairly boring since you have to either be apart of those 3 entities or go in with a big fleet. and i do think that this does have a fairly good chance of happening since RA wants cloud ring apparently and i think they want it so they can stop a bob push for space, if bob does push through foutain. that way bob would be trapped in their corner.
if i were bob, first, right now would be a good time to hit the SC flanks while they're being semi busy up in drone region. second, establish a buffer point in fountain and cloud ring by putting in another power bloc in those 2 constellations. preferably neutral alliances that way the SC won't have easy access into bob space since RA wants cloud ring.
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Psilocin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:08:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Psilocin on 04/06/2008 07:09:02
It's hilarious reading all the armchair strategist's view on something they obviously have no clue about.
As for everyone whining about big alliances taking space, do something about it.
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MineralOel Steuer
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:24:00 -
[73]
hmm so many bitter words.
If Red Alliance wants to take your Space, they take it.
If you are able to defend your Space you may keep it.
Thats how politics in 0.0 work.
You can't stand it?
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El Roi
Rainer Luxus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:24:00 -
[74]
Or a altchar like Mineraloelsteuer
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Alte Schabracke
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:30:00 -
[75]
Originally by: MineralOel Steuer
hmm so many bitter words.
If Red Alliance wants to take your Space, they take it.
If you are able to defend your Space you may keep it.
Thats how politics in 0.0 work.
You can't stand it?
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:34:00 -
[76]
Forgive my ignorance  but all the people refering to 'NNC', what does the extra N actually stand for? 'The North', 'Old North', 'Northern Coalition', 'NC' I get, but why did a spurious N suddenly appear in our otherwise mundane acronym?
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:39:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Tassi on 04/06/2008 08:40:04
Northern Nap Coalition
Northern Naptrain Carebears
Northern Numpty Coalition
pick one.
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:47:00 -
[78]
Admit it, you have no idea either 
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.06.04 09:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Blazde
Admit it, you have no idea either
but tbh, I think im not too far off either!
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.04 10:03:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Blazde
Forgive my ignorance but all the people refering to 'NNC', what does the extra N actually stand for? 'The North', 'Old North', 'Northern Coalition', 'NC' I get, but why did a spurious N suddenly appear in our otherwise mundane acronym?
NNC was a term coined by Insurgency, meaning 'New Northern Coalition' and referred to the coalition of smaller alliances (Rare Faction, Pheonix, Stella, Majesta, CPU, GSA) they fought when originally taking space in Branch.
For some reason that term is now being used for the NNC's big daddy, the NC.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 14:01:00 -
[81]
Originally by: PsychoBones
Everybody else need to be watching themselves. I see no reason for RA not to attack the NNC. With the exception of BoB, there really isn't any alliance or coalition of alliances in Eve atm that could stand up to RA. It basically is gonna take another massive NAPfest similar to the one that pushed BoB back in order to keep RA from owning whatever they want to own.
Obviously you're not an insider. I love that the NC can provide so much entertainment for friends and foes aswell as the peanut alt gallery though. Our job is done.
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Fortiter
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.06.04 14:13:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Metal Dude
You made your bed now lay in it.
They can't. They have been trained by redswarm that you need 30 alliances nap'd to do anything in eve.
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twobigones
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Posted - 2008.06.04 14:54:00 -
[83]
RA is a bit too clever to attack the NC.. it plays too well into bob's hand.. but nice try
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Moonlight Express
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: twobigones
RA is a bit too clever to attack the NC.. it plays too well into bob's hand.. but nice try
Yea, because RA never back stabbed anybody. NEVER!
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:16:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Razin on 04/06/2008 15:17:35
Originally by: Play Dead
In Fade yesterday, Red Alliance entered L-C3 with a 120 man fleet seemingly to reinforce some towers stating that they were here for our stations (ours being Project Alice, Malice and CLF).
Soon after their support fleet moved next door into the Malice. home system of C4C. Their support fleet as well as some carriers moved into position at Club Vandersexx and began to attack the cloning service. They cyno'd in around 40 or so capitals that they had next door (barring one Revelation which was pointed outside of the L-C3 station, forcing their support to come back to get it untackled).
RA was able to reinforce all 5 large towers in C4C. I approached their FC to see what terms could be reached for a surrender and basically received the ultimatum "turn your towers off sov-claim today and we'll see", however the most interesting thing about this discussion with Greenhalf was that after speaking with him for a time he offered my alliance the chance to remain in the area as residents without sovereignty if we promised to assist in taking Cloud Ring.
I informed him no deal could be struck without us continuing to hold sov in our current stations. He then offered the stations in Cloud Ring to us if we assisted them in their campaign which was laughable considering the low quality of the region (sorry Sacul <3).
It remains to be seen if RA is truly interested in Cloud Ring or if they will be heading to Deklein. One thing is for certain, RA are not out looking for good fights but simply to throw their weight around opportunistically in power vacuums against smaller, fledgling alliances grabbing territory and high-value moons while NNC shows their usual cowardly demeanor and inability to look two steps forward until it's one of their home systems under attack.
As far as Cloud Ring goes, RA continues to beat their chest as if that was their goal in taking all the stations in Pure Blind and Fade so be prepared UNNAT.
For now, C4C station's name has been changed to "Strontium Timers set to LOL" and that's exactly how we feel, with the last tower coming out tomorrow around 0400GMT.
Play Dead
Malice.
Executor
You first lament the unacceptably harsh terms you were given for your surrender, then state that ôRA are not out looking for good fightsö.
In trying just too hard to justify the title of your thread you end up looking like a blathering barbarian yourself.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:20:00 -
[86]
Originally by: twobigones
RA is a bit too clever to attack the NC.. it plays too well into bob's hand.. but nice try
I think people don't understand the relationship between NC and RA.
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Hey You
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:27:00 -
[87]
Originally by: NATMav
Sorry to hear the news Play Dead.
Sadly, I've been calling this for weeks since they first arrived in Pure Blind but nobody listens. Now maybe the larger powers in the North will take notice and quit sitting on their hands watching as RA moves into position to take anything it wants.
Lmao at everyone looking up to "big" alliances of the north... All those huge and important big alliances have RA blue. Except for Pure. They remind me on kids that are scared of the dark...
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Yosarian
MediaCataclysm
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:36:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Yosarian on 04/06/2008 15:36:37
Meanwhile the Daisho Syndicate is a couple of jumps away in Fade in FIO laying siege to the system and outpost there, putting pressure on Malice's ally: CLF. Daisho is about 500 pilots, including former MC and IAC corps. Daisho have had at least 10 and usually 40+ ships in system without a break for the last 3+ days.
I'm wondering what the relationship is to what is going on in C4C and L-C, if there is one.
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Nguyen VanPhuoc
The Halibuts
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Posted - 2008.06.04 15:48:00 -
[89]
malice need to get they're thinking hats on, try some metagaming, get vlad putin thinking RA are a threat to his total control over russia and one day no RA's will log on, siberia beckons o/
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JP Moregain
EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:02:00 -
[90]
Here is a big hint for the Northerners:
The Russians just bumped your elbow causing you to drop your soap in the big friendly shower that is the North of EvE.
You can:
1) Bend over and pick up the soap (cue pron music...)
2) Put your backs to the wall and edge out of the room
3) Grab the nearest loose object, run at them swinging crazy and screaming "GET OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!" and hope you can scare them off.
Good Luck!
JP
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:09:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Hey You
Lmao at everyone looking up to "big" alliances of the north... All those huge and important big alliances have RA blue. Except for Pure. They remind me on kids that are scared of the dark...
NC and RA have been friendly ever since I can remember. I can't see them changing for a bunch of non-NC members but doubt they are going to come running to help them out either.
The smaller alliances that are holding space near RA's new territory need to hold their ground and defend their territory if they want it. They should really band together and help eachother out otherwise RA will pick them off one at a time.
When it comes to 0.0, politics is often more important than how much firepower you have. The core NC members built what they have today by establishing those relationships which have stood the test of time and conflict. It has worked well for them, I am surprised why more entities haven't banded together to hold their ground against larger entities.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:12:00 -
[92]
Say guys, what's RA's prime Time?
I know they're russian and all, but I honestly dont know when their peak numbers are on, I have some stuff to move that should have been moved a month ago.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:17:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Say guys, what's RA's prime Time?
I know they're russian and all, but I honestly dont know when their peak numbers are on, I have some stuff to move that should have been moved a month ago.
I think Moscow is GMT+4 but I am sure they have ex-pats from all over the world in RA which cover a lot of time-zones. Get a scout if you are going to move anything of real value.
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Privavarian
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.04 16:24:00 -
[94]
RA is your daddy
They will win
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Omeega
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:28:00 -
[95]
Бля!!!
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Moonlight Express
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:56:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Omeega
Бля!!!
Does this mean 'moons!!!' in russian?
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Alty McAltypants
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Posted - 2008.06.04 17:56:00 -
[97]
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mamolian
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:55:00 -
[98]
Hell March
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 20:45:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Razin
In trying just too hard to justify the title of your thread you end up looking like a blathering barbarian yourself.
Pro Tip: Check the name given to P-2TTL by RA.
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Red Mouse
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 20:49:00 -
[100]
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Razin
In trying just too hard to justify the title of your thread you end up looking like a blathering barbarian yourself.
Pro Tip: Check the name given to P-2TTL by RA.
more Tips: Check the station's info too.
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Blight1
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:55:00 -
[101]
******* bring it!
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VoYvod
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.05 05:23:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Originally by: Omeega
луны!!!
Does this mean 'moon!!!' in russian?
Fixed.
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Pamangkin
Notneir Industry LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.05 05:59:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Say guys, what's RA's prime Time?
I know they're russian and all, but I honestly dont know when their peak numbers are on, I have some stuff to move that should have been moved a month ago.
Log 1 hr before downtime and 3-4 hours after.
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Assmodean
The IMorral MAjority
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.06.05 06:20:00 -
[104]
Originally by: JP Moregain
Here is a big hint for the Northerners:
The Russians just bumped your elbow causing you to drop your soap in the big friendly shower that is the North of EvE.
You can:
1) Bend over and pick up the soap (cue pron music...)
2) Put your backs to the wall and edge out of the room
3) Grab the nearest loose object, run at them swinging crazy and screaming "GET OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!" and hope you can scare them off.
Good Luck!
JP
Awsome anology!
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WhiteSnake
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:20:00 -
[105]
Does cloud ring counts as north?
if it does, then we should bend over to RA, nap them, surrender to them etc (common northen politics).
But on the other hand, we are Unatural, it seems even if we try to follow napfest trendy tactics we will fail.
So if we gonna fail why dont we do it with fighting?
So bring it, them more ships I loose, the less hauling I'll do
On a sidenote, BoB will never get the fights they want upNorth, unless they decide to play with 1:4 ratio (1:3 was with goons), interesting times ahead, only time will tell.
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Komolov
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:54:00 -
[106]
Originally by: WhiteSnake
On a sidenote, BoB will never get the fights they want upNorth, unless they decide to play with 1:4 ratio (1:3 was with goons.
Does your comment mean they could get fights they want in Cloud Ring?
*Pages Coranor here
Seriously, i see too much posts from unnat there. Do you afraid us? Do you seriously believe we want Cloud Ring for RA?
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:17:00 -
[107]
I can haz Cloud Ringz? 
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Antibac
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:58:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Antibac on 05/06/2008 14:26:22
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:04:00 -
[109]
uggh let me be the first to apologize for my alliance mates. They are not smart enough to even spell the alliance name right and tbfh they drink to much aswell
Seriously guys stop posting because you will never beat the goons on the forum no matter how hard u try (and boy you try, hard).
Server is up go mine veld in xzh pls.
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.05 23:29:00 -
[110]
Malice is off of the map today. Did RA manage to take both their stations, or did they end up surrendering?
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Bapp
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 04:10:00 -
[111]
-1
19:46:50 Notify The station Welcome Russian Overlords has been captured by MELLOW HUNTERS corporation!
You need just to look at station name.. =)
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:15:00 -
[112]
This was too good to pass up; the Barbarians are now getting in to manufacturing propaganda, as seen in local:
Propaganda Image
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Tereza
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 01:39:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Bapp
-1
19:46:50 Notify The station Welcome Russian Overlords has been captured by MELLOW HUNTERS corporation!
You need just to look at station name.. =)
another one
21:33:08 Notify The station Jules Smeg Appreciation Station has been captured by OEG corporation!
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Komolov
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 05:39:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Komolov on 07/06/2008 05:39:20
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Aales Eae
Solus Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.07 22:51:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Veldya
Originally by: Hey You
Lmao at everyone looking up to "big" alliances of the north... All those huge and important big alliances have RA blue. Except for Pure. They remind me on kids that are scared of the dark...
NC and RA have been friendly ever since I can remember. I can't see them changing for a bunch of non-NC members but doubt they are going to come running to help them out either.
The smaller alliances that are holding space near RA's new territory need to hold their ground and defend their territory if they want it. They should really band together and help eachother out otherwise RA will pick them off one at a time.
When it comes to 0.0, politics is often more important than how much firepower you have. The core NC members built what they have today by establishing those relationships which have stood the test of time and conflict. It has worked well for them, I am surprised why more entities haven't banded together to hold their ground against larger entities.
Its ok to team up against people like Insurgency that try to move up north but when its someone like RA,.. oh ****!!! Better not **** them boys off!
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