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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.05.08 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cao Cao on 08/05/2004 08:03:05
Okay,
So I was inspired by Vogon's "Customer Service Announcement" post and decided to try my hand at ore thievery tonight. Opened up the map and looked for a big blob in high sec space. A few jumps away, 8 pilots in space - NICE. The system was Vouskiaho.
So I jump in my iteron mk5 and hit autopilot to that system. Took me about 5 minutes to find their little mining operation. At this point, my pulse is racing, heart pounding . . . I get to the belt, WOW . . . they have quite a big operation going. 3 apocs and two dominixes, services by two badger mk2s.
So I head straight for their ore containers. Funny. The containers all have multiple piles of the same amount of ore. Also . . . they are all named 001, 002, 003, 004, etc. Somethin's fishy . . . So anyway, I start loading up my mk5 with their ore, nobody says anything, they just keep mining away and jetting their ore into space. Nobody says anything in local either.
So I put two and two together and figure out that this is just one, big, automated mining operation. Yep, a huge macro mining party. Anyway, so I stayed for several hours and filled many iteron mk5 cargoholds full of ore . . . but it really ****es me off that these guys are exploiting like this.
The worst part, is I opened a petition about it at the very start when I figured it out. Still haven't received an answer hours later . . . you would think that "exploit" petitions would be high priority. Anyway, on with business . . .
CORPORATION: Curse Ranger's
TICKER: NUFC
REGION: The Forge
SYSTEM: Vouskiaho
NAMES & ROLE:
Kitty Manou: badger mk2 (hauler)
Sallas: badger mk2 (hauler)
billy: apocalypse (miner)
billys death: unknown (unknown role)
Shaidos: apocalypse (miner)
Paulus: apocalypse (miner)
Bjoern: dominix (miner)
Axel H: dominix (miner)
So if you want to score some loot, declare war on these guys and hunt them down, they are all macro mining chars. Would be quite a score.
Cao
EDIT: Added another name to the list.
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.05.08 07:35:00 -
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LOL.
Should have got some friends to help haul, man would be interesting to see thier faces when they come back from AFK to find all thier ore gone.
(NOTE: I dont support 'ore thieving' but people using macro scripts deserve to lose thier ore.)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 07:37:00 -
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How much ore did you get?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Fred0
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Posted - 2004.05.08 08:11:00 -
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If it's the thruth it is ******. These guys need's to be run off the server. Forever!
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.05.08 08:13:00 -
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My approximate profits tonight from this miniature mining fleet have been:
200k plagioclase
115k pyroxeres
250k scordite
750k veldspar
Not bad considering I've had my own personal fleet of 3 apocs and 2 dominixes mining for me tonight . . . and trust me, macro'd badger 2s are nothing for competition! Lol.
Cao
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.05.08 08:24:00 -
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That's interesting (and worrying).
I've had several occasions where people ignore me when i steal their ore and carry on mining. I thought they were probably just being high minded and treating me with comtempt, or calling up their buddies in Kestrels so I didn't hang around. Makes me think though that at least some of these guys were running macros.
OK I'm a thief so should probably relish the idea of macro miners working all night for me, but IMHO this isn't at all good for the game and I hope they get kicked for it.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Bellicose
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Posted - 2004.05.08 08:27:00 -
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okey to start off... i dont like thiefs.... but this is so freaking funny 
nice job Cao Cao 
Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon?
KittenArmy
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.08 08:40:00 -
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it s sad.
we met some guys like this early in the game. huge mining operations.
try to throw a container out far away and check wether the indys will try to pick it up.
don t expect ccp to act on it. we petioned big time, but have been told that nothing could be proofed. (and this was even though a GM was present when the ships left the belt very slowly, one after each other, as if being controlled by the same player sequentially, if i remember right.)
this is what high sec safety leads to!
if they have even only 1 player present, they are completly safe, even from ccp.
it s killing the game.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:02:00 -
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Arent Macros bannable
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Cao Cao
one, big, automated mining operation. Yep, a huge macro mining party.
i certainly hope permanent bans are issued
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:14:00 -
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This is just ****** up.
CCP have said that if you accidentally release 9 drones instead of 8 with Drones Interface 3 it's an exploit and bannable.
Yet here is a CLEAR example of a marco-mining setup and they do nothing.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
Arent Macros bannable
theory <--> reality.
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Soule
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:18:00 -
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there have now been 2 petitions put into ccp telling them that they can catch them in the act and ccp have not responded yet even to say they are looking into it.
Oh well needed some ore for some more battleships so I guess back to making sure that these exploiters dont benefit 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:19:00 -
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Would PunkBuster help against this kind of thing?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Bonnie Parker
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bonnie Parker on 08/05/2004 09:23:13
Originally by: Cao Cao
Edited by: Cao Cao on 08/05/2004 08:03:05
CORPORATION: Curse Ranger's
TICKER: NUFC
REGION: The Forge
SYSTEM: Vouskiaho
NAMES & ROLE:
Kitty Manou: badger mk2 (hauler)
Sallas: badger mk2 (hauler)
billy: apocalypse (miner)
billys death: unknown (unknown role)
Shaidos: apocalypse (miner)
Paulus: apocalypse (miner)
Bjoern: dominix (miner)
Axel H: dominix (miner)
So if you want to score some loot, declare war on these guys and hunt them down, they are all macro mining chars. Would be quite a score.
Cao
EDIT: Added another name to the list.
War duly declared...
If anyone knows of other macro mining corps, please let me know. If CCP won't do anything about them I guess its down to other players to do it for them.
I feel no shame in attacking players that are afk strp mining empire systems 
And besides, anyone with the ticker NUFC must be a Newcastle United supporter - I'll put 'em out of their misery
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:41:00 -
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You can fly a mk5! OMFG!
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/
http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:43:00 -
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Quote:
And besides, anyone with the ticker NUFC must be a Newcastle United supporter - I'll put 'em out of their misery
Marseille already did
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:44:00 -
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Don't declare war.
Just pick up their ore after nudging their indies aside or just shoot the cans.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Je'Nann
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:53:00 -
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Quote:
CCP have said that if you accidentally release 9 drones instead of 8 with Drones Interface 3 it's an exploit and bannable.
ive petitioned this as a bug 3 times, so imo its not a exploit. this was ages ago as well, so as its not been fixed while things that do work are being changed they musta looked at it
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bosie
You can fly a mk5! OMFG!
Bosie.
my thoughts exactly
hmm if you can get a m8 to block their indies, they are mining all for you!
but yea, crap to see this happening. This kind of **** (and probably ebaying the profits) =
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.05.08 09:59:00 -
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Haha, this is classy stuff! Nice done Cao Cao.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2004.05.08 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Quote:
And besides, anyone with the ticker NUFC must be a Newcastle United supporter - I'll put 'em out of their misery
Marseille already did
*coughes* Millwall *coughes*
Bosie.
http://bosie.proboards40.com/
http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 10:04:00 -
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Bastid!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.05.08 10:43:00 -
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Good old Tyne & Wear rivalry
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.05.08 11:08:00 -
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LOLOLOLOLOL, i know we have had our differences in the past, but, lol, thats funny, well done matey.......
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Tesk Malloc
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Posted - 2004.05.08 12:54:00 -
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Ahhh, nowt like a North East derby to get the heart racing.
Newcastle lad meself. Now if I only actually liked football...
Tesk Malloc - Hired Scum, Murderer and Official Lightbulb Screwer
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Would PunkBuster help against this kind of thing?
that is Licensed program and to expensive to CCP 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:19:00 -
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Yeah, Cao Cao may be at war with us, but I have to admit this is classy stuff. Well done for ripping off those cheating sods. That kind of thing is sad sad sad. I love the imagery of you making their mining fleet your slaves for the evening. You should probably send them and eve-mail saying you have their "cut" of the take somewhere in 0.0 if they want to pick it up. Knowing these clowns they'll probably write an afk macro to come to the station ;)
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Booky
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:33:00 -
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Not sure why but I often wonder what kind of person would write a macro to play the game for them? I mean, i know mining is boring, but why play a game if your not really playing it? The closest I ever came to this was afk mining in my Badger back when I was a newb, but to set up a whole hauling macro and all is a bit overboard. This means they got like 7 accounts, thats like $85/month roughly.
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Alastra
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:43:00 -
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ebayers?
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Amiga A4000
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:45:00 -
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The easiest way for CCP to stop macros is to throw in a "Ship System" bug from time to time, if the type of fitting can be understood by the servers I:E mining lasers why not throw in a random bug every 2-4 hours which shuts the lasers off for a spot of cooling.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:48:00 -
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Nah.
Best way to stop macro miners is to name and shame them and their corporations on a ban list.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
cashman
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:50:00 -
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And of course you have proof of this, right?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 13:57:00 -
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Here comes the carebear contingent
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:13:00 -
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Apparently there ARE occations when ore theft is good in high sec space 
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buck nut
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:18:00 -
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I do not think you can trust the words of a ore thief
THe lowest of the low
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:26:00 -
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Buck nut, how can Cao Cao be a thief if the people he was takin ore from didnt seem to mind. The least they could have done to show their displeasure was stop mining.
So yea I think perma-bans are in order for such people.
Also let me say ore thiefs arent the lowest of the low macro-mining idjits are.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: cashman
And of course you have proof of this, right?
A corporation has 7 battleships mining in perfect sync with indies and Cao Cao came along and rather casually picked up over 1M units of ore.
Nothing was said by anyone of the mining members in local while this happened even when Cao Cao blocked their indies from making a pick-up.
Are you seriously telling me you need more proof that there were macros at work?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ulfar
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:46:00 -
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Playing the Devil's advocate but CCP made EVE this way that to get anywhere you have to spend a long time doing boring repetitive tasks.
Kudos for taking there ore though and as wasn't in secure cans it doesn't count as theft in my book.
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cao Cao
CORPORATION: Curse Ranger's
TICKER: NUFC
REGION: The Forge
SYSTEM: Vouskiaho
NAMES & ROLE:
Kitty Manou: badger mk2 (hauler)
Sallas: badger mk2 (hauler)
billy: apocalypse (miner)
billys death: unknown (unknown role)
Shaidos: apocalypse (miner)
Paulus: apocalypse (miner)
Bjoern: dominix (miner)
Axel H: dominix (miner)
billys death is probably part of the macro that is broken. Someone needs to tell this corp the macro is broken and billys death is not pulling in his share.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.05.08 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: cashman
And of course you have proof of this, right?
Please reffer to my sig and stfu
PS: It means that you are clueless
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.05.08 16:04:00 -
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Nicely done Cao Cao, scripting a machine to play the game for you is just sad and it is now the single lowest point I've seen a player sink to.
However, instead of informing the person you are stealing their ore just steal 95% of it. Leave them scratching their heads and fighting with their macros to figure out why only one mining laser fires while their macro runs.
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2004.05.08 16:34:00 -
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Centuria > whoot?
Centuria > you stalking me? :)
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.05.08 18:28:00 -
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Its very hard to do things against macros. You can be glad that its not as bad as in Diablo II where bots can play the whole game, including PvP, for ya.
I agree that CCP should do everything they can to counter any exploiting or use of macros/bots but as I said I don't have much hope. In case the situation gets too bad you have to move to another game ... until it gets the same problems as well and you have to switch games again.
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.05.08 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: McFly on 08/05/2004 19:19:53
Originally by: Cao Cao
My approximate profits tonight from this miniature mining fleet have been:
200k plagioclase
115k pyroxeres
250k scordite
750k veldspar
Not bad considering I've had my own personal fleet of 3 apocs and 2 dominixes mining for me tonight . . . and trust me, macro'd badger 2s are nothing for competition! Lol.
Cao
LMFAO Way to go Cao Cao I have heard of people using macros, and its not hard to tell if they are. Its just a matter of the GM's pulling their heads out and doing something about it.
And to Josh, good idea about Punkbuster, but yes it would cost them a lot due to copyright. Unless CCP could make up thier own version... but I rather them keep working on Shiva.. and everyone steal the macro wh@res ore!
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.05.08 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Yeah, Cao Cao may be at war with us, but I have to admit this is classy stuff. Well done for ripping off those cheating sods. That kind of thing is sad sad sad. I love the imagery of you making their mining fleet your slaves for the evening. You should probably send them and eve-mail saying you have their "cut" of the take somewhere in 0.0 if they want to pick it up. Knowing these clowns they'll probably write an afk macro to come to the station ;)
Heh, the best part was around 9am GMT, when I had just handed off responsibility for stealing their ore to Soule (who was in local and also petitioned the event), and a corpmate who wanted some free ore, whoever it was running the operation finally "came home."
I was picking up a load of minerals to haul back home when Bjorne says in local: "Are you stealing my ore?" Apparently this was directed to Zanister or Soule who were in the belt at the time, but I couldn't help but inform him then that I had been scooping up his ore all night, thanks for the 12 mils in profit. He wasn't pleased and I guess he docked all their ships or left the system.
Cao
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.05.08 19:45:00 -
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Way to go.
I don't like ore stealers but when they ruin it for macro miners I love em.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.05.08 20:05:00 -
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lol good job dude.... really good job.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.05.08 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
Apparently there ARE occations when ore theft is good in high sec space
Never thought I'd agree with a comment like that
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Bilb
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Posted - 2004.05.08 22:00:00 -
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easy solution to this is to make sure that the shield / recharge rate must be lower than the damage from rats for u to be allowed to mine there by concorde. If u go afk, u'll lose ur ship
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2004.05.08 23:13:00 -
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Hehehe i got a ebil idea the people of eve should try to compile a list of the mcro miners of eve then have people who have access to agents with location services look them up to allow people to steal the ore they dont deserve to have.
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2004.05.08 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cao Cao
He wasn't pleased and I guess he docked all their ships or left the system.
This is when it would have been a nice feature to be allowed to board their ships and take them. Someone wants to leave a few battleships in a system, they should suffer the consequences of them being boarded by another.
Had you been able to board their battleships and pilot them to the station, it would have been a really good day! 
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.05.09 00:36:00 -
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Well I think ore thieves are the scum of the universe but... Exploiters are even lower. So in this instance I would say free ore all around.
You should have filled your hanager full.
Nicely done.
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SanFaber
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Posted - 2004.05.09 01:11:00 -
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All you have to do is look up 'Eve Online' in Google and look at the sponsored links result on the right side of the screen. There are any number of sites where you pay a fee and you an gain access to mining macros and more. This guy probably did just that.
Perhaps a DNS attack on their servers hmmmm.....
Formerly Voidhawk
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.05.09 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Angry Dan on 09/05/2004 01:57:56
NUFC?
So what, at least it's not Man U.
We have supporters that actually live here, rather than Brighton.
And ore theievery is bad MKay.
But, botting the game is lower. Just though.
Hey josh, you a mackem or a smoggy?
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SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.05.09 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: SithEwok on 09/05/2004 02:16:57
dude leave the miners alone, for one they are not killing a player they are burning rock which upsets no one except pvpers.
I personally have seen many pvper exploits, and pvpers exploiting the "exploit" reports from my enemies. Do they get banned? NOPE. smack on wrist, NEXT.
Who cares.
heh wish i had that program to run while i go to the restroom, but i sit at my cans and actively roll the mins over.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.05.09 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: SithEwok
Edited by: SithEwok on 09/05/2004 02:16:57
dude leave the miners alone, for one they are not killing a player they are burning rock which upsets no one except pvpers.
I personally have seen many pvper exploits, and pvpers exploiting the "exploit" reports from my enemies. Do they get banned? NOPE. smack on wrist, NEXT.
Who cares.
heh wish i had that program to run while i go to the restroom, but i sit at my cans and actively roll the mins over.
well ask zombie ^^
Wanna fly with me?
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Alastra
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Posted - 2004.05.09 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: SithEwok
Edited by: SithEwok on 09/05/2004 02:16:57
dude leave the miners alone, for one they are not killing a player they are burning rock which upsets no one except pvpers.
I personally have seen many pvper exploits, and pvpers exploiting the "exploit" reports from my enemies. Do they get banned? NOPE. smack on wrist, NEXT.
Who cares.
heh wish i had that program to run while i go to the restroom, but i sit at my cans and actively roll the mins over.
BOTS are very dangerous, because these can be used to generate isk that will be sold on ebay. If you had seen L2 taken over by BOTS and farmers like I did, you would really care, trust me.
Nuponi Nimedaz: "You're a pilot after my own heart, Alastra." |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.09 08:10:00 -
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I'm a mackem!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.05.09 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Darken Two on 09/05/2004 08:25:03
Originally by: SithEwok
Edited by: SithEwok on 09/05/2004 02:16:57
dude leave the miners alone, for one they are not killing a player they are burning rock which upsets no one except pvpers.
I personally have seen many pvper exploits, and pvpers exploiting the "exploit" reports from my enemies. Do they get banned? NOPE. smack on wrist, NEXT.
Who cares.
heh wish i had that program to run while i go to the restroom, but i sit at my cans and actively roll the mins over.
Dude if you think PvPers are exploiting then petition it and if theres action taken by CCP then let it go.
As for your whos it hurtin comment, the rest of us is who. this is exactly why bship strip miners in 0.9 and 1.0 deserve to have their ships blown up and their pods repeatedly popped. First of all for hogging systems that should be left for the noobs and then for using cheats like this.
No amount of whinging can absolve them of this lowest of the lowest crime. Using loop holes in game mechanics to win a fight is one thing but, using code not ingame to actually mine for you is just low.
I have more respect of the suicide kestral alts than scum like macro-miners.
Ps. You can try docking when you run to the restroom just like the rest of us while doing various other things ingame.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:00:00 -
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Why isn't there a mechanism like punkbuster built into these games anyway? Doesn't make much sense to me why they wouldn't just prevent this type of thing in the first place.
But then again, I know absolutely zilch about programming.
Cao
PS, just got word that "wet lips" is another individual in this corp and has participated in the macro mining in the past.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:05:00 -
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keep up the good work Cao Cao.
This kinda nonsense should be stamped out.
lets all try to keep this thread alive so someone from CCP answers someday.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: SithEwok
Edited by: SithEwok on 09/05/2004 02:16:57
dude leave the miners alone, for one they are not killing a player they are burning rock which upsets no one except pvpers.
I personally have seen many pvper exploits, and pvpers exploiting the "exploit" reports from my enemies. Do they get banned? NOPE. smack on wrist, NEXT.
Who cares.
heh wish i had that program to run while i go to the restroom, but i sit at my cans and actively roll the mins over.
Regardless of how you choose to play this game it is competitive down to everything everyone does. So don't say stupid things like that.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:12:00 -
[64]
Quote:
Why isn't there a mechanism like punkbuster built into these games anyway? Doesn't make much sense to me why they wouldn't just prevent this type of thing in the first place.
Errr, because PB is for FPS and does totaly different stuff. If CPP want auto macro detection, they have to write it themselves, and it wouldn't be easy.
War and theving might keep them in check for now, and whatever mesusures are comming to reduce high sec strip mining should slow them down.
If anyone wants a hand dealing with macro miners, I have war slots, badger IIs, and an alt with a huge stack of mines
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:45:00 -
[65]
Good job Cao Cao! Your MKV must be falling apart after hauling all that ore, next time friggin call me when you're freeloading!
They have probably moved system, I think an agent search is in order then we can all queue up with our MKV's and discourage them from cheating ever again.
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FreeTofi
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Posted - 2004.05.09 11:52:00 -
[66]
I found the same macro mining op on Eitu, same people billy and billys death etc, but Wet Lips was the only one talking. The corp "curse rangers" seems to be attacthed to CA as 2 of the "liked corps" are in CA. Maybe time for CA to turn on this corp?
Hope this helps :)
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.05.09 12:45:00 -
[67]
Originally by: FreeTofi
I found the same macro mining op on Eitu, same people billy and billys death etc, but Wet Lips was the only one talking. The corp "curse rangers" seems to be attacthed to CA as 2 of the "liked corps" are in CA. Maybe time for CA to turn on this corp?
Hope this helps :)
never hurd of them dubt they have anything to do with curse
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.05.09 14:36:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Dolemite2K
Originally by: FreeTofi
I found the same macro mining op on Eitu, same people billy and billys death etc, but Wet Lips was the only one talking. The corp "curse rangers" seems to be attacthed to CA as 2 of the "liked corps" are in CA. Maybe time for CA to turn on this corp?
Hope this helps :)
never hurd of them dubt they have anything to do with curse
could be an alt corp of some of your members, but you have too much members to control that, so take it easy and just help to stop them auto strip mining :)
Wanna fly with me?
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.05.09 14:39:00 -
[69]
BAN BAN BAN BAN THOSE CAREBEARS BAN THEM ALL TO HELL YARRRRRRR
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Bonnie Parker
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Posted - 2004.05.09 15:31:00 -
[70]
Originally by: FreeTofi
I found the same macro mining op on Eitu, same people billy and billys death etc, but Wet Lips was the only one talking. The corp "curse rangers" seems to be attacthed to CA as 2 of the "liked corps" are in CA. Maybe time for CA to turn on this corp?
Hope this helps :)
My contacts tell me lil' billy boy was last seen docked at Obe VI - DED Testing Facilities.
I'll be activley looking for Curse Ranger's as from tomorrow... so if anyone see's any of these macro-mining scumbags, please let me know.
A couple of Kessies aint gonna do much to their fleet of BS's but we'll certainly f**k up their macro operations
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Katchin
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:11:00 -
[71]
Um... notice that Cao Cao is in the CA. Why would we humiliate our own alt corp, and why would we need the fairly paltry sums obtained from empire space mining
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:53:00 -
[72]
facts:
* ccp will not ban macrominers, as it s very difficult to proof and not entirely in their interest.
* macro miners destroy the game.
* best way to control them is by limiting the efficiancy of concord to allow some combat.
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Kalroth
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Posted - 2004.05.09 18:49:00 -
[73]
This is hardly surprising, since EVE is very macroable and I've seen many similar operations _outside_ of empire space.
It's not just mining. I've seen an apoc macro kill chainspawned NPC cruisers in a low sec system.
As for detecting them in action .. well there're only two ways that works and has been tested in other games. Either you gank 'em (low sec + 0.0 space) or a GM shows up and starts asking them questions.
There's no way of making a reliable "punkbuster" or alike software, since the advanced macroes are custommade, not some sucky download from tucows.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.05.09 18:55:00 -
[74]
another way for ccp to handle this (maybe this should be in ideas section) is to write some client-side code that will detect repetitive mouse movements.
the macros used for mining use a set of movements and then repeat them over and over, so the client should be able to detect this and just 'CTD'.
thats really the only thing i could think of, and by the way...good work cao, 'ol buddy...your time back in EVE has been well spent!
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.05.09 19:18:00 -
[75]
you want to know another reaosn why ccp dont act or slap wrists
they dont care
if there are 5 macro miner accounts, thats more money
they only police the game for cheats and conduct, and even then only because those 2 things drive away players
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.05.09 19:41:00 -
[76]
Originally by: DJTheBaron
they only police the game for cheats and conduct, and even then only because those 2 things drive away players
Hmm, does anybody else see the paradox here?
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Twisted Face
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Posted - 2004.05.09 20:49:00 -
[77]
I did a very quick search on Ebay and this is a list of what one person is selling. Over $100+ in the next 24hrs alone!!! Hmmm. Looks like macro strip mining is quite profitable. Maybe we should start listing and hunting these miners down, even better steal their ore and sell it back to them on Ebay!!!!
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $10.50
2
1 hours, 24 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $13.50
3
1 hours, 38 mins +
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $12.50
2
1 hours, 53 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $12.50
2
2 hours, 08 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
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21 hours, 23 mins +
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
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21 hours, 38 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
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21 hours, 53 mins +
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
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22 hours, 08 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-10-04 16:00:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-10-04 16:15:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
1
May-10-04 16:30:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-10-04 16:45:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
1
May-11-04 16:00:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-11-04 16:15:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-11-04 16:30:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-11-04 16:45:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-12-04 11:00:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-12-04 11:15:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-12-04 11:30:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
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May-12-04 11:45:00 PDT
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Twisted Face
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Posted - 2004.05.09 20:49:00 -
[78]
I did a very quick search on Ebay and this is a list of what one person is selling. Over $100+ in the next 24hrs alone!!! Hmmm. Looks like macro strip mining is quite profitable. Maybe we should start listing and hunting these miners down, even better steal their ore and sell it back to them on Ebay!!!!
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $10.50
2
1 hours, 24 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $13.50
3
1 hours, 38 mins +
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $12.50
2
1 hours, 53 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $12.50
2
2 hours, 08 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
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21 hours, 23 mins +
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
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21 hours, 38 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
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21 hours, 53 mins +
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
22 hours, 08 mins +
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-10-04 16:00:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-10-04 16:15:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
1
May-10-04 16:30:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-10-04 16:45:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
1
May-11-04 16:00:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-11-04 16:15:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-11-04 16:30:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-11-04 16:45:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-12-04 11:00:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
-
May-12-04 11:15:00 PDT
EVE Online 5,000 UNITS ZYDRINE $9.99
-
May-12-04 11:30:00 PDT
EVE Online 2,500 UNITS MEGACYTE $9.99
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May-12-04 11:45:00 PDT
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.05.09 21:25:00 -
[79]
FFS, CCP, you need to get GM's there FAST when such petitions are filed.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Tyr Guann
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Posted - 2004.05.09 22:29:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Marichek
another way for ccp to handle this (maybe this should be in ideas section) is to write some client-side code that will detect repetitive mouse movements.
the macros used for mining use a set of movements and then repeat them over and over, so the client should be able to detect this and just 'CTD'.
thats really the only thing i could think of, and by the way...good work cao, 'ol buddy...your time back in EVE has been well spent!
Interesting idea, but that would really screw miners like me over. When I mine, I also watch TV or read a book, generally repeating movements over and over with very little change in routine i.e. chatting etc. I would be majorly ****ed if I was in a long mining op and CTDing every so often...
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.05.09 22:53:00 -
[81]
should be easy to detect for gm's, just make a public announcement, if a GM talks to you you talk back
that way if there is no responce from a whole mining op team then its obviosly a macro script running the whole thing
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.05.09 22:56:00 -
[82]
imo CCP should buy 1 package of the above if from same seller, find out who it is and ban all their accounts and look into who they deal with or mine with etc and ban them.
to stop this, they need some random way of stopping the mining process such as the rogue drones or module overheat.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.09 23:45:00 -
[83]
Everquest has been successful at stopping ebayers, all what is sold are platinum guides and stuff. Anyone caught loses the account.
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Odissi
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Posted - 2004.05.09 23:51:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tyr Guann
Interesting idea, but that would really screw miners like me over. When I mine, I also watch TV or read a book, generally repeating movements over and over with very little change in routine i.e. chatting etc. I would be majorly ****ed if I was in a long mining op and CTDing every so often...
You'd be fine, your movements would not be pixel perfect identical as a macro would be. With a macro movements would be EXACTLY the same every time.
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Kelly O'Connor
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Posted - 2004.05.10 04:55:00 -
[85]
anti in SWI was a macro miner for several months, macro mined purely to sell on ebay, he later sold his account(s) but is still in SWI, and still macro mining, I would imagine.
Petitioned him twice and got the same response, "it cant be proven".
I know SWI leaders didnt care back then, doubt they care now.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.05.10 05:18:00 -
[86]
OK, I certainly think this guy had it comming, but all this "it hurts everyone else" is utter bunk. How does it hurt you? It doesn't. I get the whole unfair advantage thing, but it's, nothing that worries me in the least because he isn't using it for combat. he isn't costing anyone anything by doing this.
Some guy pays for several accounts, mines afk, and sells for cash. Again, how does this hurt you? It doesn't. Especially since low grade minerals are in huge demand. It's not like there is a huge overabundance of these atm. Prices on trit and pye are much higher in most cases than the ccp base prices.
All this guy is doing is adding to the supply. If there were a huge ammount of this stuff overflowing the game then I would buy your argument that he is hurting other players, but the way the market is set up in eve he just isn't.
That doesn't mean I will use macros myself, I have no idea how to write one, and I'd much rather be there watching in case some idiot pirate decides to try and blow up my ship, or start stealing my ore like Cao Cao did.
Basically speaking it might be lame, but it's not hurting anyone. This guy isn't scum for doing it, he's using it to make money. Against the rules? Sure. Lame? Sure. Harming anyone? ...nope, and don't tell me the people who buy his stuff, because they choose to pay real life money for these things, thats their choice. They aren't being forced.
I do agree he should be banned though. Not for "harming" the game, because he didn't harm anything, but for BREAKING THE RULES. The rules are pretty clear that macros are bannable, and an exploit.
So steal his ore or whatever, thats fair game here, but don't try to act all sanctomonious like he is the scum and is harming the game, he isn't harming anything except your jealosy genes because you aren't making ebay cash off eve, and he is.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Sharon Stone
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Posted - 2004.05.10 05:50:00 -
[87]
Adrianna if I am a miner (and I'm personally not) but lets say I am and I make a living mining tritanium and pyerite. This guy deflates the prices of those minerals by cheating like this and thus I am injured because I have to sell my minerals at a lower price.
So it does hurt other people, using your own example.
Sharon
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Alastra
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Posted - 2004.05.10 05:58:00 -
[88]
It didn't hurt me at all when I was playing UO, except that the macroers sometimes were buying all the blank scrolls and I couldn't train mapmaking... Big deal.
When I played L2 last month, these guys were in dungeons kill stealing and loot stealing. They were so well organized that they had pks to defend their bots if needed. Basically it was one player for 5 toons. And it was very annoying. I didn't buy the game mostly because of this.
In eve, if they manage to grow strong, they will become very annoying.
It is quite easy to notice if someone is macroing, the GM send you a tell and if you don't reply and still mine then you are macroing. But it does not work always because the companies making money on ebay have employees watching the screens.
The best solution is to have CCP cancel the accounts selling on ebay, this is all it is about.
Nuponi Nimedaz: "You're a pilot after my own heart, Alastra." |
SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:00:00 -
[89]
If you Ban the macro miners the shipyards in empire will be at a standstill.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:00:00 -
[90]
If you Ban the macro miners the shipyards in empire will be at a standstill.
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:35:00 -
[91]
Are you saying the majority cheats?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:51:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/05/2004 07:55:11
Originally by: Alastra
Originally by: SithEwok
Edited by: SithEwok on 09/05/2004 02:16:57
dude leave the miners alone, for one they are not killing a player they are burning rock which upsets no one except pvpers.
I personally have seen many pvper exploits, and pvpers exploiting the "exploit" reports from my enemies. Do they get banned? NOPE. smack on wrist, NEXT.
Who cares.
heh wish i had that program to run while i go to the restroom, but i sit at my cans and actively roll the mins over.
BOTS are very dangerous, because these can be used to generate isk that will be sold on ebay. If you had seen L2 taken over by BOTS and farmers like I did, you would really care, trust me.
Completely right.
I remember an affair with Ultima Online where an macroable exploit allowed a person to setup shop with 30+ PD's running multiple clients making gold and ebaying the stuff.
Cacluations later turned out he had made a yealry income doing htat of approx. USD 40.000 wihtout requiring maunual intervention.
He was prosecuted and jailed btw.
The economy of Ultima Online Europe shard suffered from it for some time, unbalancing gameplay and costing the evelopers (EA so who cares), lots of money to correct.
Believe me, you need to care about this, and CCP will ban these accounts no doubt about it.
edit: adrianna, you miss a clue. Macroing like this infuses the economy with isk generated automatically 23/7 on a veeery large scale. People buy isk on ebay, and go and buy things ingame with it. When the situation gets out of hand, the inflation will result in people that do NOT buy extra isk of ebay to be shafted.
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Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:56:00 -
[93]
Originally by: SwitchBl4d3
If you Ban the macro miners the shipyards in empire will be at a standstill.
You must be joking right ?
We have produced lots of ships in the past, and none of use macros for that. We just had a high tolerance for boring work.
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2004.05.10 08:44:00 -
[94]
I bow to thee, Cao Cao, for raping these poor wittle macro mining biatches. If I'd noticed, and this is coming from a carebear of carebears, I'd have done it too. Now it does strike me that the people who make rl money on this would be mining mega and zyd, hmm, CA in their nebulous hinterlands. But, that is only speculation. Probably some poor sap who wanted an easy way to play when he wanted to 'really' play. Something that the community could do is establish a place to check, add names, and info, on people that they catch AFK or macro mining. Seems like an easy solution. I wonder if that would have a measurable impact on the economy in EVE...
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.05.10 09:26:00 -
[95]
...Wow, I've inspired someone....
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.10 10:46:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Vogon
...Wow, I've inspired someone....
I think he has outdone you too.
Back to stealing, boy!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2004.05.10 10:48:00 -
[97]
VOGON!!! I hate you!
Do us a favor and stole from those macro miners, and all of your guilt will be forgiven.
I go so far, maybe I will start to like you...
PS.: I just start to realize, why ore thiefs good for the community...
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.05.10 10:59:00 -
[98]
This thread gets a lock.
It's not permitted to discuss Exploits or auction sites on this forum.
That said, I am passing this link on to the GM's.
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