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Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.03.11 06:19:00 - [1] - Quote From the latest SiSi data dump (found via reddit courtesy of sarmatiko) Who cares if it never makes it to TQ, what do you think? Micro Jump Drive I Long ramp up time (30 seconds), at end ship is jumped instantly 100 km directly forward. Ship maintains direction and velocity. Ship is affected by warp scramblers and warp disruption fields. Note: Battleship class module [+\|n] medPower [+\|n] microJumpDrive [+\|n] online [+] capacitorNeed: 946.0 [+] capacity: 0 [+] cpu: 77.0 [+] disallowRepeatingActivation: 1.0 [+] duration: 30000.0 [+] gallenteNavyBonusMultiplier: 0 [+] heatAbsorbtionRateModifier: 0.04 [+] heatDamage: 8.2 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 0 [+] maxGroupActive: 1.0 [+] metaLevel: 0 [+] moduleReactivationDelay: 120000.0 [+] power: 1375.0 [+] republicFleetBonusMultiplier: 0 [+] requiredSkill1: 4385.0 [+] requiredSkill1Level: 1.0 [+] requiredThermoDynamicsSkill: 1.0 [+] signatureRadiusBonusPercent: 500.0 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 10.0 [+] warpScrambleStrength: -1.0 There is also a new large bubble that prevents micro jump drives.
Alara IonStorm 1772	Posted - 2012.03.11 07:13:00 - [2] - Quote I would like to take a moment and that CCP for introducing Tier 3 Battlecruisers. You did a good job bring back 100 + km Sniper Fleets.
Ammzi Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow 851	Posted - 2012.03.11 10:00:00 - [3] - Quote I was there.... sorry couldn't stop myself. quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 261	Posted - 2012.03.11 11:24:00 - [4] - Quote Meh. In irae, veritas.
Xi 'xar Mise en Abyme 15	Posted - 2012.03.11 16:04:00 - [5] - Quote I'm surprised this hasn't recieved more attention. Is this a troll? http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
Alara IonStorm 1777	Posted - 2012.03.11 16:09:00 - [6] - Quote Xi 'xar wrote: I'm surprised this hasn't recieved more attention. Is this a troll? Not by the looks of it. The guy who posted the info was the same guy who posted the Assault Frig and Hybrid Balance changes. Here it is. Some other cool stuff in there.
stoicfaux 774	Posted - 2012.03.11 16:49:00 - [7] - Quote Sounds like the beginning of fps style "bunny-hopping" in Eve. Or extreme kiting. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
nahjustwarpin Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.03.11 16:54:00 - [8] - Quote drone bounties
Xi 'xar Mise en Abyme 15	Posted - 2012.03.11 18:16:00 - [9] - Quote Sounds more like a way for bears to avoid being ninjasalvageagressionmechanicsganked. (drone bounties yay) http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
Jame Jarl Retief State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.03.11 18:20:00 - [10] - Quote The module sounds gimmicky as hell. On one hand, as a Gallente pilot, I kinda like the sound of it on paper. Being able to hop 100km on a Mega would be neat. But 23-30 sec ramp up time? Hmmm... And drone bounties? It's about darn time. Not digging Scourge name change. What was wrong with Trauma?
Nalha Saldana Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 161	Posted - 2012.03.11 18:36:00 - [11] - Quote All the stats simplified: Mid slot Activation cost 946 cap 77 CPU 1375 Powergrid 30 sec activation 120 sec until reactivation Increases signature radius by 500% while spinning up So yea its about as hard to fit as a 100mn T2 MWD, not something you slap onto a tier3 BC easily. It comes with its own skill which seems to lower the duration before jumping by 5% which would make its activation 22,5 sec at skill V.
Xi 'xar Mise en Abyme 15	Posted - 2012.03.11 19:11:00 - [12] - Quote I really hope this has an obvious animation and locks your ship's direction... http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
Zarnak Wulf CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 265	Posted - 2012.03.11 19:13:00 - [13] - Quote Someone has been playing as a vanguard in Mass effect too much. This doesn't seem practical.
OfBalance Caldari State 140	Posted - 2012.03.11 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote What in the hell?
Artemis Ahab Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.03.11 20:52:00 - [15] - Quote Xi 'xar wrote: I'm surprised this hasn't recieved more attention. Is this a troll? It might have to do with the way the thread is named. When I first saw it I was expecting another noob "add this module!" thread.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1033	Posted - 2012.03.11 20:58:00 - [16] - Quote I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2012.03.11 21:10:00 - [17] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang its to help blaster bs fleets... as oxymoronic as a blaster bs fleet sounds having this mod will make blaster bs fleets a viable option... same for rail fleets... close range bs fleets drops on you turn on mod presto 100km away and start targeting again... this could make things interesting and help take the sting out of t3 bc's...
Nalha Saldana Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 161	Posted - 2012.03.11 21:13:00 - [18] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang its to help blaster bs fleets... as oxymoronic as a blaster bs fleet sounds having this mod will make blaster bs fleets a viable option... same for rail fleets... close range bs fleets drops on you turn on mod presto 100km away and start targeting again... this could make things interesting and help take the sting out of t3 bc's... In lowsec maybe, i have a hard time seeing this in 0.0 with all the bubbles around.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 76	Posted - 2012.03.11 21:23:00 - [19] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang its to help blaster bs fleets... as oxymoronic as a blaster bs fleet sounds having this mod will make blaster bs fleets a viable option... same for rail fleets... close range bs fleets drops on you turn on mod presto 100km away and start targeting again... this could make things interesting and help take the sting out of t3 bc's... The spoolup time is longer than the time it takes to probe you out at your sniping position. CAUTION SNIGGS
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2012.03.11 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang its to help blaster bs fleets... as oxymoronic as a blaster bs fleet sounds having this mod will make blaster bs fleets a viable option... same for rail fleets... close range bs fleets drops on you turn on mod presto 100km away and start targeting again... this could make things interesting and help take the sting out of t3 bc's... The spoolup time is longer than the time it takes to probe you out at your sniping position. indeed lets hope for a skill being added that can reduce the spool up time to 15 seconds with lev V
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1033	Posted - 2012.03.11 21:43:00 - [21] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang its to help blaster bs fleets... as oxymoronic as a blaster bs fleet sounds having this mod will make blaster bs fleets a viable option... same for rail fleets... close range bs fleets drops on you turn on mod presto 100km away and start targeting again... this could make things interesting and help take the sting out of t3 bc's... No, you're describing a gap closer mechanic. What they're suggesting implementing is a directional teleport. This is directional teleporting mechanics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfakcKow_HE This is gap closers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdK3Mdl4b2I The difference should be pretty obvious: one is intended to get someone into the thick of combat while the other isn't. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1033	Posted - 2012.03.11 21:44:00 - [22] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: indeed lets hope for a skill being added that can reduce the spool up time to 15 seconds with lev V I too like playing WOW. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Skywalker MAFIA Pirate Coalition 15	Posted - 2012.03.11 22:43:00 - [23] - Quote Well, at least we now can make use of CCP's famous words. "I WAS THERE" (Now i'm here)
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 394	Posted - 2012.03.11 22:54:00 - [24] - Quote zomg micro-stuttering drive! (blatant SOTS reference) [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Darthewok Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.03.11 23:01:00 - [25] - Quote Micro Jump Drive technology has already been used for decades in toilets all around the EVE galaxy. Except in the Amarr empire where they use lazors for waste incineration. CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 261	Posted - 2012.03.11 23:05:00 - [26] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Sounds like the beginning of fps style "[snipped link to appease the forum-monster] bunny-hopping" in Eve. Or extreme kiting. This. This micro-jump thingy just doesn't seem necessary, IMHO. I do like that (if I'm reading this correctly) that they're going to rename kinetic missiles "Scourge" again, though. Apropos nothing else whatsoever, where is the titan tracking nerf? And, to shut the clueless screeching howler-monkeys up but good, how 'bout that 10% boost to base velocity and 15% reduction in the Drake's signature-radius In irae, veritas.
Pookoko Sigma Sagittarii Inc. 26	Posted - 2012.03.11 23:29:00 - [27] - Quote Another problem I forsee is that in other games normally you could rotate your character easily and quickly to set the direction to which you want to teleport. In EvE you have align times, which is considerably high for BS where this new MJD would br used. It defnitely wont act as a 'gap closer' if the propaed stats remain
stoicfaux 774	Posted - 2012.03.12 00:07:00 - [28] - Quote Micro-Jump Drive + Cloak trick? Set a direction, activate Micro Warp Drive, activate Cloak, wait 30s, profit? Also, will missiles and drones remain active? i.e. is this a true warp, or a teleport-esque feature? You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn 39	Posted - 2012.03.12 00:10:00 - [29] - Quote I find it interesting that people take issue with the missile ammo rename/streamlining. Hybrid, Laser and Projectile ammo have the same name; doesn't matter the size of the ammo or whether it's for close range or sniping weapons. So, maybe CCP should come up with new names for the different types, to keep it the same across the board?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5420	Posted - 2012.03.12 00:32:00 - [30] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote: The spoolup time is longer than the time it takes to probe you out at your sniping position. indeed lets hope for a skill being added that can reduce the spool up time to 15 seconds with lev V The spool-up time is 30 seconds. The skill reduces this by 1.5s per level. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Mfume Apocal Origin. 338	Posted - 2012.03.12 05:34:00 - [31] - Quote oh hey, lets knock off one of the last true "newbie in a frig" niches in fleet fights: getting backstop warpins on people. because we all know, frigs (and smaller ships in general) just aren't irrelevant enough!
ShigekiShota Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans 0	Posted - 2012.03.12 06:32:00 - [32] - Quote If it is the weight of the hull for the amount of time required for the Micro Jump Drive to activate i think its more valid.
Darthewok Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.03.12 09:20:00 - [33] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: There is also a new large anchorable bubble that prevents micro jump drives. So what about regular bubbles from dictors and hictors? Can Micro Jump Drive can jump out of bubbles? If it can it is a HUGE game changer. CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Nikuno Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers 45	Posted - 2012.03.12 09:30:00 - [34] - Quote A flat 100km jump range would make this useless from the point of view of trying to get blaster ships into a fight. For that you'd have to allow the selection of a range up to the 100km (or whatever range they stick it with). And freighters don't get to fit mods.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 293	Posted - 2012.03.12 11:28:00 - [35] - Quote Darthewok wrote: Vaal Erit wrote: There is also a new large anchorable bubble that prevents micro jump drives. Can Micro Jump Drive can jump out of bubbles from dictors and hictors? And probably standard anchorable bubbles.. If it can it is a HUGE game changer. People gonna stick these on freighters and escape gate camps etc. I suspect Freighter pilots would /love/ a freighter they could stick anything on. After all, freighters have no slots. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities.
Roime Shiva Furnace 276	Posted - 2012.03.12 11:40:00 - [36] - Quote So has this "leak" been confirmed as a market manip -fake or not?
hmskrecik TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.03.12 11:47:00 - [37] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Micro-Jump Drive + Cloak trick? Set a direction, activate Micro Warp Drive, activate Cloak, wait 30s, profit? Nonononononononono, sir! DO NOT set a direction, activate, etc. Bunny-hopping Orca, anyone?
Alara IonStorm 1777	Posted - 2012.03.12 11:52:00 - [38] - Quote Roime wrote: So has this "leak" been confirmed as a market manip -fake or not? Nothing has been confirmed but the guy who posted the info has been the one who posted the new T2 Mods, new Battlecruisers, Hybrid Rebalance and Assault Frigate Balance and those have all been accurate. So this is pretty likely. Though this is still a test build so we don't know if any of this gets into the game and if it does we don't know how the changes will altered based on testing or feedback.
Roime Shiva Furnace 276	Posted - 2012.03.12 11:59:00 - [39] - Quote Cheers Alara! Interesting idea for sure! Brutix could have it's 99% gang link CPU reduction swapped to 99% powergrid reduction of Micro Jump Drive I (and rep amount bonus changed 5% resist per level)
Darthewok Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2012.03.12 12:09:00 - [40] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Darthewok wrote: Vaal Erit wrote: There is also a new large anchorable bubble that prevents micro jump drives. Can Micro Jump Drive can jump out of bubbles from dictors and hictors? And probably standard anchorable bubbles.. If it can it is a HUGE game changer. People gonna stick these on freighters and escape gate camps etc. I suspect Freighter pilots would /love/ a freighter they could stick anything on. After all, freighters have no slots. Hey how will it change Capitals Warfare? Dreads/Carriers/Supercarriers/Titans will be able to jump out of bubbles... CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team 97	Posted - 2012.03.12 12:12:00 - [41] - Quote I expect a blog coming out about this in about 3 weeks... Like in 20 days from now
that beast Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.12 13:36:00 - [42] - Quote Alternatively make distance dependent on mass so capitals jump a lower distance? Or base it around a cap req. To mass ratio so it takes more power to jump a higher mass ship, and make it non-linear so caps effectively get crippled/become useless for a bit after work using? Either way, I would do this just to scare the crap out of newbies in highsec.
Zarnak Wulf CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 265	Posted - 2012.03.12 13:37:00 - [43] - Quote Pinky Denmark wrote: I expect a blog coming out about this in about 3 weeks... Like in 20 days from now Anything groundbreaking is going to be reserved for fanfest.
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 208	Posted - 2012.03.12 13:56:00 - [44] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang its to help blaster bs fleets... as oxymoronic as a blaster bs fleet sounds having this mod will make blaster bs fleets a viable option... same for rail fleets... close range bs fleets drops on you turn on mod presto 100km away and start targeting again... this could make things interesting and help take the sting out of t3 bc's... "OH NO THAT BS FLEET IS ALIGNING AND WE ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS TO GET OUT OF HERE". Even if bubbled Tr3's can fly at like 2km/s with a MWD on (that's 50-60km in 30 secs) so I'm not sure what a 22.5-30second warp-up module can actually achieve against all but the dumbest sniper fleets. It would be just as easy to get a covops 150km away and "warp to 50" on it? Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á
Eian Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.03.12 13:58:00 - [45] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang What makes you think they are trying to solve a problem? This game could use some fresh mechanics. I'm on the bench like you until we know more but i'll leave my tin hat in CQ's.
Kasutra Tailor Company 11	Posted - 2012.03.12 14:12:00 - [46] - Quote Holy gimmick batman. Especially if "Ship is affected by warp scramblers and warp disruption fields." means you can't jump out of bubbles. How am I going to use this?
Thelron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:10:00 - [47] - Quote undock, activate, wait, activate, make insta? Assuming of course you have some compelling reason to absolutely have to do it in a battleship... I could see using something like this to get most of a whole group of large ships out of a bubble camp or something, if it weren't looking like that will keep you from using it anyway (or does that "affected by" bit just mean somehow you have to wait out some "warp field stabilizing" timer or the cycle of any points that might have been on you?). As it is, it's looking like emergency warp, but useless...
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux 1040	Posted - 2012.03.12 17:45:00 - [48] - Quote Eian wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I'm mighty curious what problem they're trying to solve with directed teleport like this. I'm pretty strongly -1 to it without a really solid explanation. -Liang What makes you think they are trying to solve a problem? This game could use some fresh mechanics. I'm on the bench like you until we know more but i'll leave my tin hat in CQ's. I'd be on the fence about it, but I've actually seen how utterly gamebreaking directed teleport can be. IMO the consequences of changing a game as complicated Eve means that they should have a clear understanding of a problem before introducing a solution and hoping a problem presents itself. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard 60	Posted - 2012.03.12 18:03:00 - [49] - Quote Not much use for this imo, we already have MWD's, if a target cant be caught you werent fit to counter it, deal with it. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords 143	Posted - 2012.03.13 00:41:00 - [50] - Quote Is it a tool for alpha/breaking locks? As in put a sensor booster on your ship. Take pot shots while aligning to next spot. Jump/break lock. Lather, rinse, repeat ? Only other scenario is for fast tackle to bridge the gap before getting pawned by big fleet. You start your burn at 200 km and click on the module. Then after 30 seconds you insta-warp 100km, breaking all locks and by the time the opponent relocks you, you're in for point and the fleet warps in. I don't think it's made for slow ships because we all know slow ships will almost never catch faster ships that are moving by warping in.
Haseo Antares Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers. 5	Posted - 2012.03.13 04:08:00 - [51] - Quote It would be cool if they made this micro-jump module a black-ops/marauder only module and changed it from a med slot to a high slot. Or instead of/in addition too the micro-jump module give each race its own black-ops module. Titans have their own racial mods why not some for battleships. Give the Sin a module that increases the sensor strength of all friendly ships within 100km by 75%. Give the Widow a module that allows it to shut down all hostile drones withing 100 km (effects drones not ships). Give the Redeemer a module that increases the maneuverability of all friendly ships within 100 km by 75% (velocity, agility, etc.). Give the Panther a module that reduces tracking speed by 50% of all hostile turrets within 100 km. Those mods would only be active as long as the black-ops have cap (of-course). Activation of the mods make the black-ops ship immune to assistance like bubbled HICs, tiraged carriers, and sieged dreads. Once a black-ops area of effect module has been activated no other black-ops specific area of effect module can be activated on grid (even the boosting ones). Module cycle time 60 seconds for all, does not repeat, cycle length not enhanced by skills. Cycle/effect cease immediately once ship is cloaked or destroyed. Then make all the marauders immune to all area of effect modules (including bubbles). Still vulnerable to targeted effect modules. Probably all dumb ideas but they wouldn't be my first. I would just would like to see the T2 BS ships w/ better roles.
Stetson Eagle ROC Academy The ROC 12	Posted - 2012.03.13 06:15:00 - [52] - Quote Thanks for the patch notes Alara. MJD is a welcome thing for many reasons: short range fleets, disco ships, snipers etc. But what the heck is with drone bounties?! Drone regions are practically getting an insane buff, and the sec status in them are very low to begin with. Isk value going down, mineral value up?
Silas Shaw Coffee Hub 12	Posted - 2012.03.13 07:03:00 - [53] - Quote Darthewok wrote: Vaal Erit wrote: There is also a new large anchorable bubble that prevents micro jump drives. Can Micro Jump Drive can jump out of bubbles from dictors and hictors? And probably standard anchorable bubbles.. If it can it is a HUGE game changer. People gonna stick these on freighters and escape gate camps etc. your freighter has mod slots?
Mike Whiite Progressive State 31	Posted - 2012.03.13 08:47:00 - [54] - Quote pown emc drones and ships device?
RougeOperator Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 164	Posted - 2012.03.13 08:51:00 - [55] - Quote This is such a bad idea i dont even know where to begin..... Im going to mull it over for a bit. Its just such a bad idea im left in shock over it.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 99	Posted - 2012.03.13 08:56:00 - [56] - Quote I don't get it. With a 30 second spool up its useless for sniping, you can align and rewarp in that time and NOT take a huge signature hit....particularly on most ships that trade tank for the ability to snipe at all. I could see some use for getting close range fleets into range, but there would be a lot that has to go right....and how the hell do you aim it?..... ....and it doesn't work in bubbles LOL
Perihelion Olenard Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.03.13 10:41:00 - [57] - Quote Below is all I have to say about this: http://images.mmorpg.com/images/galleries/full/332008/670b169c-7a6e-4d6c-95d8-d9ebdf2dc390.png
Tesco Yogurt OMFG Industries 3	Posted - 2012.03.13 13:06:00 - [58] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: I find it interesting that people take issue with the missile ammo rename/streamlining. Hybrid, Laser and Projectile ammo have the same name; doesn't matter the size of the ammo or whether it's for close range or sniping weapons. So, maybe CCP should come up with new names for the different types, to keep it the same across the board? = Tech 2 ammo being the exception Way to failreply in a thread about a new module ~~on SiSi~~ not even on SiSi yet. On topic: Interesting module, but as it stands I don't think it counters probing and brings back >150km sniping, while making newbie frigates/ceptors obsolete in the 'get out there and get us a warp in on those snipers!!' sense. Will have to see where CCP goes with a totally new mechanic like this.
Cambarus Baros Reloaded 142	Posted - 2012.03.13 15:28:00 - [59] - Quote I think it might be a fairly interesting way to bring back the viability of sniping. If you're not already set up with a bunch of BMs around a gate, using a covops to warp the fleet around isn't all that viable. This new mod would let sniper fleets engaging on, say, a gate not in their own backyards reposition when they get probed down without actually needing a target to warp to (which would take notably longer than 30s to set up) or just MWDing across the field (which makes them much easier to grab for fast tackle)
Ireland VonVicious Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy 42	Posted - 2012.03.13 17:37:00 - [60] - Quote I see one real good high sec use for this: Orca. Sick of having to get way off station before trying to warp to a gate behind the station. This helps in trade/moving aspects since you won't have bm's to jump to at each station. At 22 secs it's probly still faster then moving away before aligning. It's still a bit too slow to look all that useful for the req's. Would be nice to see it hit around 18 secs with L5 trained or a t2 mod of it that gives you a big jump between L4 and L5 since the time for L5 is so damn long.
Helothane Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2012.03.13 18:48:00 - [61] - Quote As a jump rather than movement, it might be allowed by Dreads in siege and Carriers in triage modes.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School 112	Posted - 2012.03.13 18:57:00 - [62] - Quote Hopefully 24km points stop it from working, or you might as well not use one against a BS if all its going to do is align, teleport and warp out.
Hamatitio Aperture Harmonics K162 76	Posted - 2012.03.13 19:29:00 - [63] - Quote Amazed no one has pointed out the obvious. This module seems completely worthless with the current game mechanics. So logic would assume that current game mechanics would change. What would this be useful for? Catching people sniping / kiting maybe? But you can warp ongrid to them with a scanner. So perhaps: 1) Nerf to warp distance on grid. Perhaps a change from 150 - 250km or even more. 2) Nerf to the way scanning something on grid works (which doesnt really solve any problems, because then you just warp from offgrid) Number 1 seems more logical, it allows the return of sniping, with a not completely overpowered counter for it.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 865	Posted - 2012.03.13 21:00:00 - [64] - Quote Hamatitio wrote: Amazed no one has pointed out the obvious. This module seems completely worthless with the current game mechanics. So logic would assume that current game mechanics would change. What would this be useful for? Catching people sniping / kiting maybe? But you can warp ongrid to them with a scanner. So perhaps: 1) Nerf to warp distance on grid. Perhaps a change from 150 - 250km or even more. 2) Nerf to the way scanning something on grid works (which doesnt really solve any problems, because then you just warp from offgrid) Number 1 seems more logical, it allows the return of sniping, with a not completely overpowered counter for it. The initial idea was to give blaster ships a tool with drawbacks that could help those catch their prey and kill it instead of the silly "I shoot you from here and there's nothing you can do" trick. If everyone and his badger can fit it and use it, it's silly, fun but silly.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 215	Posted - 2012.03.14 05:19:00 - [65] - Quote I think this will become a curiosity for adepts and niche PVPers rather than something that will become a game-breaking FOTM. Why? On-grid robing, as cited before, is not a valid tactic after probes became visible on d-scan. Second, sniper tier 3 fleets will not sit at >150km, more in the 90-120km range, with tackle at the sub-100km range. Secondly, if your lock-time or lock is broken by use of this module, BS's cannot get point on anything when they teleport 100km off gate. You may land, but the already aligned sniper gang will just warp away. This also works against you leapfrogging ahead of an enemy chasing you. Thirdly, you are leaving your logi 100km behind you. Ergo, you are going balls to the wall with support that is 30s off even being in range. Not that logi survives very long around an alpha fleet. The advantage vs just MWDing into range? Not much. Additionally, your MJD takes 28.5 to 22.5s to spin up. During this time, a competent sniper fleet can shoot you six times. Or your logi. Or your tackle. Then, because speed of use is skill dependent, some of your fleet will warp at 22.5s, the majority at 25s, a few more at 27s, and the nubs at near 30s. This splits your fleet up and will result in people dying because they are too fast or too slow. Finally, I would wnder if you could fit this, plus a MWD, onto a BS. If you cannot, it will result in a fat, slow thing being able to jump 100km, and then sit there being blown to bit. Combine this with a BS's scan res, and this will be the Suicide Module, allowing you to lemming into an enemy fleet so you can be blown to bits. That said, it will allow you to maybe dump a smartbombing BS into facemelt range of an enemy if you time everything perfectly. What a win for EVE! The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
Sradoc Space Road Truckers. Sev3rance 0	Posted - 2012.05.23 14:06:00 - [66] - Quote Pookoko wrote: Another problem I forsee is that in other games normally you could rotate your character easily and quickly to set the direction to which you want to teleport. In EvE you have align times, which is considerably high for BS where this new MJD would br used. It defnitely wont act as a 'gap closer' if the propaed stats remain Jump drives don't need to align, try using a blops or other normal jump drive and you'll see.
Adeena Torcfist Dark Underground Forces 29	Posted - 2012.05.23 14:23:00 - [67] - Quote well, i was more hoping for more than a measley 100km. altho, i can see its uses, i think going off grid ( or even further ) would also make it viable. it should be: right click select jump distance from say 100km - 500km Activate activating on cloaked ships like B/Ops would also be nice. Finally get more on the battlefield & land right ontop of them snipers Align Activate Uncloak just as its finishing cycle jump recloak fleet warps to you 1 idiot gets too close, decloaks your B/Ops, you get primaried & get insta-popped
Riven Aleem Zarks Fallen Angels Zero Hour Alliance 1	Posted - 2012.05.23 14:55:00 - [68] - Quote I'd love to see 2 battleships fitted with these flying at each other. Pity it's a point to point jump :(
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 168	Posted - 2012.05.24 04:33:00 - [69] - Quote hmmmm There should be a rather awesome pic here
Victor Sane Aerodyne Nova 1	Posted - 2012.05.24 11:05:00 - [70] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: From the latest SiSi data dump (found via reddit courtesy of sarmatiko) Who cares if it never makes it to TQ, what do you think? Micro Jump Drive I Long ramp up time (30 seconds), at end ship is jumped instantly 100 km directly forward. Ship maintains direction and velocity. Ship is affected by warp scramblers and warp disruption fields. Note: Battleship class module Nalha Saldana wrote: All the stats simplified: Mid slot Activation cost 946 cap 77 CPU 1375 Powergrid 30 sec activation 120 sec until reactivation Increases signature radius by 500% while spinning up So yea its about as hard to fit as a 100mn T2 MWD, not something you slap onto a tier3 BC easily. It comes with its own skill which seems to lower the duration before jumping by 5% which would make its activation 22,5 sec at skill V. There is also a new large anchorable bubble that prevents micro jump drives. so what happens of you stop flying and use it while facing the enemy having a sniper fit ? :) hmmm push and wuuups tackled... would be funny to see nubs use it. sorry had to troll on that one cause it sounds terrible
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 64	Posted - 2012.05.24 11:49:00 - [71] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: I would like to take a moment and thank CCP for introducing Tier 3 Battlecruisers. You did a good job bring back 100 + km Sniper Fleets. Indeed. And this module while being something relatively good it's just another Minmatar stealth buff. Thing is that situation before warp jump and after warp jump will be the same, and at this game minmatar is better than Gallente, if you still have doubts put face to face experienced teams to work it out, dps advantage is not really one, agility and manoeuvring ability+decent dmg projection IS one. (Gallente hulls will receive individual tweaks but for the meanwhile no) The initial Idea (back before hybrids rebalance and so, I've posted some stuff with Tanya on this thing) was to make it specific hull (gallente) to make it so it wouldn't brake other races dmg projection abilities, but would vastly increase Gallente blaster hulls utility since the very short range of their guns and the lack of manoeuvrability of those ships could be somewhat over passed by this module (but jump would only function in a 25km range window and land approximatively 5km +/- from target). Now the fact this module is available to all races witch somehow seems "normal" will not change fleets composition, will just bring jumping tactics and dumb down FC's work (the most important one) with very small to null result in final result. Now for gangs (low/null) and solo (low) and being Battleship class module this helps greatly to bring more of those on the field witch is good. For high sec this module should simply not work, punto alinea ! Overall and with all due respect to people working on this module, I prefer my first Idea that was more about bring one race again to the field in various scenarios and a new specific ability (you know how much people love specificities right? -that's why Matar are so great) Because of this: fight "x" involving "y" ships fights fleet "Z", FC tells every one to align whatever "activate MWDJ", but then if the other FC is not that stupid and god know there are a few, he will be already prepared to follow with 2 or 3 sec diff, and here we go again yadayada . Doesn't change anything for battleship fleets that have better time fitting mwd to run away from bubbles Doesn't change anything to low sec gate camps, they'll just put a tackle at 110 from the gate if you can instantly activate the module once uncloack without speed pre requisite. If it has speed pre requisite, then doesn't change a crap neither, the time your BS targets whatever he's already scram at least twice. Not saying this module as stands is useless, just a pimpy new stuff easy to counter, and new pimpy stuff is always cool
Jeanne Deveroux Society Of Mutual Adoration 0	Posted - 2012.05.24 22:29:00 - [72] - Quote It would make more sense if it were a frigate-sized mod , assault frigs could then benefit if they had a bonus to spinup time Or reduced bloom , or both :) . Then , AF's grouped with blaster megas , might pose a threat to snipers as in : align to snipers , MJD, megas warp to you.... As of now, i can't see any real benefit for battleships , but well , it's still in works :) .
Serina Tsukaya Lonetrek Trade and Industries Test Friends Please Ignore 11	Posted - 2012.05.25 13:01:00 - [73] - Quote This will be stopped/disrupted by regular bubbles of all kinda and as far as I can remember, they're planning on making another bubble that only affects this, but that has a larger range on it. This was all discussed during fanfest guys.
Renier Gaden Exanimo Inc Hedonistic Imperative 1	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:26:00 - [74] - Quote This would be useful when going through a null/low sec area where you donGÇÖt have tactical bookmarks. Warp to 100 from the gate. If it is clear, jump to gate. If not clear, then warp off before something gets close enough to point you. I wonder if CTRL+Space will cancel the jump, or if you are committed once it is activated. Also as Cambarus pointed out, a sniper fleet can warp in at 100, lock and start firing. Then aline on a tangent so that when they jump they end up in another location 80 to 120 km from the gate. They relock, start firing, and aline on another tangent. Figuring out a simple way to do the trigonometry would be the challenge to being effective.

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