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Tatsue Nuko Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Tecam Hund Right or wrong is subjective. Right or wrong is objective. It is by necessity founded on nature and our function within it. However, we should realize that our ability to discern this function is not perfect - only in that sense could something like right and wrong be "subjective".
Viqer Fell The Republican 1st Strike Force	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:36:00 - [32] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 13/06/2008 12:37:50 In a very rare lapse Cosmo I think you completely misunderstood my point. I personally couldn't give two hoots about standings enclosurism. Star Fraction though do care about it a lot. Which surprises me because your entire announcement stinks of it. That was what we were pointing out. That effectively as a Minmatar I am fine fighting the Empire but that if I do exactly the same thing under a different coloured flag painted on my ship then all of a sudden I'm at risk of arbitrary attack by the "freecaptains". Then we have the other points you go on to make about respective standings. As an alliance JF sets standings following aggression or declarations of war. So let us suggest that IRON had war dec'd you, you would nto bother individually setting the corps of IRON -10 you would sensibly assume that they would all attack you and thus all become valid targets. If a factions militia is subject to a concord sanctioned war which they are then why would we need to start piffling about with standings? It's a war, they are valid targets, shoot them before they shoot you seems to be a sensible thought here. You seem too caught up with the semantics of enclosurism to realise it is not that we actually find them important, what we find shocking and for some abhorrent is that you are so vehemenently against them and yet your recent policy statement seems to based entirely on telling others who they can and cannot be friends with or you'll attack them. So no, The Republican 1st Strike Force will not be making any such statement as you request as the request grew out of your misapprehension and not from any previous assertion or protestation that we actually cared about it vis a vis our own foreign policies.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Come on, is it that hard to understand the message of the Star Fraction? While I am over-joyed at events of the last week, and while Ushra'Khan fights along-side the TLF even as I write, it's not with some reservation I regard the militia system. I was bitterly disappointed when Concord re-exerted their control, their tyranny appears almost insurmountable. Their rapid implementation of the militia system fills me with suspicion. Has it escaped everyone that to join the militia and go to war against the enemy, alliances like Ushra'Khan have to surrender our command? I can't help but feel Concord have created a system of token warfare designed to do nothing more than appease the masses, and weaken that power base that operates as far as possible outside their jurisdiction. Seems to me very few people can, or are willing to, see that. As ever Karn you speak with wisdom and insight and its for this quality we of the Star Fraction consider you of the Ushra'Khan amongst our finest allies and most honoured friends. You raise important points that should be taken to heart and close analysis by any once free-captain or aspirant post-human who thinks to place themselves beneath the yoke of Concord Sanctioned militias for whatever reason. I agree with you completely, I feel Concord have created a war of shadows and puppets here that they maintain control and status quo. I cheered and felt my heart rise in triumph scant days ago to see the Elders move against Yulai and I still have hope that the will to resist the true tyranny in the inner worlds is not extinquished amongst the tribes. But these are difficult issues and as thinking independent captains we must look behind the staged arena's of militia conflict and see the reigns of Concord hierarchy written dark against the true tapestry of stars. A salute to the fighters Karn. We live in interesting times. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss what a huge PR debacle. This can't be the Toma I knew, if anything he'd appreciate a spectacle. Same rock hard brutor body. different mind i guess.
Kaylana Syi Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:18:00 - [35] The entire announcement reminds of me of Amarrian religion. It is nothing more than a self imposed coffin. I thought you considered freedom above all things Team Minmatar
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Heartstone on 13/06/2008 14:06:39 What a ridiculous amount of rubbish has been spoken here. In fact the only person who has so far made any sense apart from our friends in Ushra'Khan is Rodj Blake of all people. It is hardly a difficult thing to fathom. The core empires are all, without exception empire building, territorial, stand enclosurist entities who are a hundred times worse in their ideology than any capsuleer created community so far. Those who join the militias or turn their corporation over to these entities are actively fighting in the service of them. If a corporation joined a capulseer created alliance that you had negative standings to they would automatically be set to a negative standings themselves. However in light of the extreme circumstances of recent times it has been decided in Star Fraction that we will make these choices for ourselves rather than automatically set anyone. Accusations of Star Fraction now practising standings enclosurism are at best ridiculous and at worst a pathetic attempt at self justification.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 13/06/2008 14:12:22 Originally by: The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction and Government Militias The Freecaptains and Fighters of the Star Fraction have noted with concern the new moves by the core empires to press capsuleers into their service, (useless but fancy words) On behalf of the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction It's very funny that the so called Free Captains deny the rest of the pod pilot community the right to freely choose their actions, if these actions go against your plans. I haven't seen any officer of any Faction forcing capsuleers or even enticing them with rewards. All pilots that have enlisted themselves in the Militia did so on their own free will. A free will you deny they can have, since it doesn't suit yours. I was expecting something like this by the not-so-Free captains of Star Fraction. I also feel sad still that you proved me right. More and more you remind me something of the past, instead of the future.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra It's very funny that the so called Free Captains deny the rest of the pod pilot community the right to freely choose their actions, if these actions go against your plans. You have the "right" to support tyranny and submit to the authority of the baseline empires. We have the "right" to shoot you in the face. Your argument has been made before by better men and its not even a very good argument. Ultimately Mithrantir - if you choose to align yourself with base nationalist aspiration you will find ideological conflict with the Star Fraction. This isn't news.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:30:00 - [39] With the TLF fighting to liberate their brothers held in slavery, and the FDU to resist a megalomaniac, I can only interpret this declaration as a veiled attempt to satisfy SF's bloodlust.
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:43:00 - [40] Originally by: The Cosmopolite [Passing over the regrets and rose-tinted remembrances of those who chose to part ways with the Star Fraction some time ago... I'm afraid you missed my point, I should have been more clear. Star Fraction has been setting people to -10 for ideological reasons for some time, now, without prompting my ire. The primary difference between those acts and the ones announced is in the arbitrariness of the setting. In other words, in the past people who have been set to -10 by SF either knew it because they'd shot at you in the first place, or they knew it because you'd announce "entity x is bad, we're setting them to -10". Especially in the case of entities involved in wars, you would announce that they were fair game to Star Fraction pilots. This made it obvious to all concerned what your standings towards them were. With this new system, it seems that the only way for a corporation associated with a militia to know it has been set to -10 is if they are fired on by Star Fraction pilots. Now, when I was in Jericho Fraction, I set a policy allowing JF pilots to shoot at neutrals if the neutrals were a clear threat. I remember at the time this was considered a pretty peaceful policy, especially considering the standard NBSI policies most corporations operated under. Assuming (unreasonably) that all corporations associated with militias operate with similarly peaceful policies, the obvious response to SFs announcement would be to immediately set you to -10. After all, if we don't know what you will do, but you've said that you may shoot us depending on your own decisions, it sure seems that you pose a clear threat. I suppose it's possible that your intention is to set all corporations associated with militias to -10, which is what this announcement seems to say, after you take all that into account. It just seems like it would have been better, in that case, to simply say "you're all -10, we hate you for your ideological views!", and leave it at that. To say that all of these corps "may or may not be set to -10, depending on how we feel" seems to simply be an attempt to lull some of these corps into not shooting you until you can spring a surprise attack on them.
Kaylana Syi Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 13/06/2008 14:06:39 What a ridiculous amount of rubbish has been spoken here. In fact the only person who has so far made any sense apart from our friends in Ushra'Khan is Rodj Blake of all people. It is hardly a difficult thing to fathom. The core empires are all, without exception empire building, territorial, stand enclosurist entities who are a hundred times worse in their ideology than any capsuleer created community so far. Those who join the militias or turn their corporation over to these entities are actively fighting in the service of them. If a corporation joined a capulseer created alliance that you had negative standings to they would automatically be set to a negative standings themselves. However in light of the extreme circumstances of recent times it has been decided in Star Fraction that we will make these choices for ourselves rather than automatically set anyone. Accusations of Star Fraction now practising standings enclosurism are at best ridiculous and at worst a pathetic attempt at self justification. Hand bags at dawn. You still owe Jonny a duel. Also, if you think the minmatar people are empire builders then you obviously missed the part where the Elders came to the rescue of our people in Ammatar, incited revolts, free'd slaves and ASSASSINATED government officials within the Republic itself. You talk about empire building but that is exactly what you have just done by gripping the ideals you so boldy hold to black and white. You don't need to hold space to have an empire, you just need to think you are better than someone else and drive a steak in their heart. This is exactly what has been done here today. You have declared a war with the Caldari and Gallente people while alluding to a cold war with the Minmatar so you won't be seen as unsympathetic to a worthy cause. You aren't going to make people change their mind with idle threats so just get down to brass tacks.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Hand bags at dawn. You still owe Jonny a duel. Already answered that I will fight him happily if he wants though although I am less happy about the needless loss of life aboard the loosing ship. Seems that he didn't respond however. Quote: Also, if you think the minmatar people are empire builders then you obviously missed the part where the Elders came to the rescue of our people in Ammatar, incited revolts, free'd slaves and ASSASSINATED government officials within the Republic itself. You talk about empire building but that is exactly what you have just done by gripping the ideals you so boldy hold to black and white. You don't need to hold space to have an empire, you just need to think you are better than someone else and drive a steak in their heart. This is exactly what has been done here today. You have declared a war with the Caldari and Gallente people while alluding to a cold war with the Minmatar so you won't be seen as unsympathetic to a worthy cause. You aren't going to make people change their mind with idle threats so just get down to brass tacks. I think you mange to miss exactly what empire building is about my dear. Star Fraction hasn't built any empire, hasn't claimed that certain system belong to them or that certain people aren't welcome in the borders they establish. The Republic has. It is easy to call someone a name because you don't like what they have to say but a rock isn't a stick no matter how hard to try and make people believe otherwise. I agree that the Republic is probably the best of a bad lot but this doesn't excuse it or make it a good thing. Too many people don't seem to understand the difference between the Republic and the Elders. We have not stated anything about the Elder/Thukker fleet. The Republic may have been decapitated but it's mechanisms and policies are still in place. We are not in fact saying anything about Matarian people at all as you should well know we are talking about the governing power known as the Minmatar Republic. As for idle threats I think it is quite clear that we will not be idle as we are simply stating our intentions so that people are aware where we stand. Please feel free to continue this interesting game of putting words in our mouths though it is most amusing.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Also, if you think the minmatar people are empire builders then you obviously missed the part where the Elders came to the rescue of our people in Ammatar, incited revolts, free'd slaves and ASSASSINATED government officials within the Republic itself. The Elders are an entirely different case. I'd like to talk to them, I feel their attack on the Concord power structure has shown us all something very special and the implications are still yet to be fully understood by many of the participants here. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra It's very funny that the so called Free Captains deny the rest of the pod pilot community the right to freely choose their actions, if these actions go against your plans. You have the "right" to support tyranny and submit to the authority of the baseline empires. We have the "right" to shoot you in the face. Your argument has been made before by better men and its not even a very good argument. Ultimately Mithrantir - if you choose to align yourself with base nationalist aspiration you will find ideological conflict with the Star Fraction. This isn't news. Then tell Cosmo to edit his statement and change the phrase implying pod pilots are forced into Militia. It's not a "right", it's freedom of choice. As for my ideological (which is not as much ideological as it is for the policies you have adopted) conflict with Star Fraction, it existed even before these dire events. The authority of the Empires is not enforced on me, nor do i submit. I choose when to follow or not. But the people on the planets have a right to life as much as we do. And that is something you don't care about. See you in space. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Kaylana Syi Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:23:00 - [45] This entire communication from Cosmo is nothing more than drawing invisible borders. If you can't see that isn't boxing yourself up in standings enclosurism then you are a fool. I don't even know what you fight for anymore when another's right to choose standings comes at the cost of your own. You have put the TLF to -10 because you have to if you want to pretend to be neutral to all militas. You could have made an exception because the fight is true and just. Alas, like an Amarr has to abide by their religion if they do not want to be outcast you too have to abide to the black and white of your doctrine. Team Minmatar
Kelsin Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:26:00 - [46] Look, the fact of the matter is that Governments are trying to exert control over space - more space that they already lay claim to. This insidious act is compounded by the fact that they're recruiting capsuleers to do the dirty work for them. I've been down that road before with Federal Intelligence - no matter how noble your aspirations, once you start taking orders from the nameless government bureaucrats and handlers at the home office you're going to quickly find yourself doing some pretty horrible things in the name of "Freedom". What happens when the Gallente Militia starts issuing orders to capsuleers to attack Minmatar holdings, or vice versa? Or to shoot on sight anyone trespassing in "their" systems? It's a slippery slope and you're already sliding folks. A Freecaptain won't be a thug for a fat bureaucrat back home and anyone that submits to that sort of thing is unfortunately just another cog in the wheel that may need to be smashed to bring the whole machine down.
Xeserox The Republican 1st Strike Force	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:27:00 - [47] Star Fraction has always been the anarchist group of the Eve Universe. What I find futile here is the fact that, while they are antigovernment, they are going to impose their will on those that feel that they are fighting for their country. It saddens me to see that they have their heads stuffed that far up their arse. They can sit here, with their own anarchist ways, telling people that if they fight for a cause they believe in, they will be shot at by Star Fraction, an organization that Fights for a cause they believe in. Not only is it a bit redundant, but that is going against EXACTLY what Star Fraction is. Why is it that YOU have the right to impose your will on people? Isn't that EXACTLY what CONCORDE does? Isn't that EXACTLY what you fight agains? It's a sad day indeed that you all would come out and make this statement. It is just as Hypocritical as those Amarrians that feel that Sarum should be Empress even though she broke the Amarr Divine Law. Xeserox - General Manager Eden Underground Radio -Eve Tribune -Eve Cast
Kaylana Syi Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Kelsin Look, the fact of the matter is that Governments are trying to exert control over space - more space that they already lay claim to. This insidious act is compounded by the fact that they're recruiting capsuleers to do the dirty work for them. I wasn't recruited by anyone and neither was Stimulus. The only Militia formed out of retaliation is the one in Amarr. To the Minmatar people this is all out war and one that I would have thought the Star Fraction would understand. If the Seven Tribes of Matar assume the entity of a Tyrant then I would think we would not be part of it. But that is a different story for a different day and trying to label us as pawns while the threat of Amarr damnation descends on innocent lives is beyond ludicrous. Quote: What happens when the Gallente Militia starts issuing orders to capsuleers to attack Minmatar holdings, or vice versa? Or to shoot on sight anyone trespassing in "their" systems? What if the moons of Jita were all made of cheese. Don't be a fool. Team Minmatar
Kelsin Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:52:00 - [49] Kaylana unless Stimulus has joined an Empire militia nothing in preceding statements have labeled you as pawns of anything. But if you fail to see that capsuleers submitting to the authority of dirtside Empires makes them complicit in the subjugation of free space, then you'll have to take your own advice about the cheese-moons of Jita. The territorial claims to Black Rise and the standings enclosurism of the militias is no different than that of the CVA: "join us, protect our territory, fight our enemies, surrender your autonomy".
Kaylana Syi Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Kelsin The territorial claims to Black Rise and the standings enclosurism of the militias is no different than that of the CVA: "join us, protect our territory, fight our enemies, surrender your autonomy". We wanted to join. We wanted to protect. We wanted to fight. That doesn't sound like surrendering our autonomy. Anyways, enough of the circle jerking. There are better things to do with my time.
DarkNicodimus Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:20:00 - [51] Yawn...Yawn... really now brothers of arms, does anyone here think you can change the beliefs of a group of individuals who dont think rationally to begin with. Star fractions set of ideas is a well thought out system that they can tailor, to suit themselves for any conflict. The whole community knows this and has beaten this against them in many threads. People with medical conditions like this, cannot think rationally like all of us. The best thing to due is ignore thier posts and dont respond. They feed off this Minmitar/Gallente, brothers of the sword will prevail
Azure Skyclad Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:06:00 - [52] We have stated our position on the militia issue. I don't see where we have told any of you what you can and can't do or what you should or should not do. Don't get me wrong, the possibility of crossing swords with many of you here doesn't exactly fill me with glee but this is where we are. Don't think for a moment that my conscience was silent during this decision because it bloody well wasn't! However, this life i have chosen was never going to be a one notable for being chock full of easy decisions and this has probably been one of the most difficult. You've chosen and we've chosen. I can only hope if our paths do cross in space we both consider out choices in that moment and choose what is right as our respective consciences dictate. I raise a glass only to the future, for the future is dance of many not of one. Of what may be, not what has passed. http://ultravixen.co.uk/
Viqer Fell The Republican 1st Strike Force	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:24:00 - [53] Azure, wake up and smell the Quaffe. I like JF and have no issue with your actions in the past but the excuse for this policy is a thin veneer of truth covering a wide streak of convenience and opportunistic target practice. Given that we will never know when SF will set us at -10 we have to assume from day one that you are -10. Why? Because we painted a flag on our ships and you cannot see the hypocrisy of your actions. That is it. We are doing nothing different today than we would do yesterday had we had a Concord sanctioned war in Empire space vs our counterparty races but because the Races Empires happen to be involved suddenly we're lackeys and lickspittles doing nothing more than supporting the devilry of Concord. It is not the wider policies nor actions I have an issue with but simply this rather odd manipulation of your ideologies to fit in with the aim of simply being able to shoot more people. That is what it comes across as and it is saddening to see so many ex-JF seeing the same flaws and *****s in the shiny veneer of the Press Blurb. I wish JF every success in all but this venture.
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 13/06/2008 14:06:39 What a ridiculous amount of rubbish has been spoken here. In fact the only person who has so far made any sense apart from our friends in Ushra'Khan is Rodj Blake of all people. It is hardly a difficult thing to fathom. The core empires are all, without exception empire building, territorial, stand enclosurist entities who are a hundred times worse in their ideology than any capsuleer created community so far. Those who join the militias or turn their corporation over to these entities are actively fighting in the service of them. If a corporation joined a capulseer created alliance that you had negative standings to they would automatically be set to a negative standings themselves. However in light of the extreme circumstances of recent times it has been decided in Star Fraction that we will make these choices for ourselves rather than automatically set anyone. Accusations of Star Fraction now practising standings enclosurism are at best ridiculous and at worst a pathetic attempt at self justification. I have no problem with Star Fraction picking their enemies, but I think I grow tired of this fanatical drivel. I am not even sure who it is aimed for. Half of captains in this thread were once members of SF. We know the inner workings of it. Promotion to director's status seemed to have opened your mouth a bit too far Heartstone. It boggles my mind how anyone from SF can see things in black and white. This might very well explain the promotion of course, or you are just pushing the Star Fraction's political line to the point of it becoming comical. You might also want to work on your diplomatic skills. Calling views of other people a "ridiculous amount of rubbish" will not get you far. I suppose see you in space.
Saul Dhampir Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:32:00 - [55] Edited by: Saul Dhampir on 13/06/2008 19:32:42 I'm wondering if some pilots here actualy read what was said. The Cosmopolite said: "the government-controlled militia corporations listed below are legitimate targets for Star Fraction pilots and are set -10" and "any independent capsuleer corporation that affiliates itself to the core empires and their militias MAY be set -10" The emphasis is mine. Please note the difference between these two statments. It seems many here are skim reading our statment and jumping to some conclusions that are frankly laughable rubbish. A pity some of those who have done this are former members of the free space movement that have sold out and are now trying to point teh finger elsewhere.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Kelsin The territorial claims to Black Rise and the standings enclosurism of the militias is no different than that of the CVA: "join us, protect our territory, fight our enemies, surrender your autonomy". Except CVA does not require anybody to "join us, protect our territory, or fight our enemies." Pilots and organizations are able to do so of their own free will. Whether they do or not, they still benefit from our protection in our space. Interestingly enough, the militias are equally voluntary. Ms. Constantine's approach made more sense: pilots are free to choose to join the Militias, the Fractionites are equally free to attack them as a result of that choice. That doesn't make the Fractionites 'good people' by any means (or terribly revolutionary, to be honest) but surely this announcement by Mr. Cosmopolite was predictable enough to anyone who understands the Star Fraction to even a small degree.
Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss what a huge PR debacle. This can't be the Toma I knew, if anything he'd appreciate a spectacle. Same rock hard brutor body. different mind i guess. nope, its me. join me on voice coms to check anytime old friend. Oh and feel free to check my rock hard body too. :) and hey i don't begrudge anyone looking for ways to increase their target count. doesn't mean it was good timing for the announcement
Dex Nederland Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Saul Dhampir Edited by: Saul Dhampir on 13/06/2008 19:32:42 I'm wondering if some pilots here actualy read what was said. The Cosmopolite said: "the government-controlled militia corporations listed below are legitimate targets for Star Fraction pilots and are set -10" and "any independent capsuleer corporation that affiliates itself to the core empires and their militias MAY be set -10" The emphasis is mine. Please note the difference between these two statments. While you may be making a difference in theory, there will be much less of a difference in practice. For example if you come upon a State squadron made up of members from the SP (-10.0), Corp A, Corp B, and Corp C (all neutral) - none of which are aware of your organizations politics or reasons - Corp A, Corp B, and Corp C will be added to your -10.0 list right along with the SP because they are cooperating in the defense of the Black Rise and their squadron mate is under fire from what to them looks to be nothing more than pirates.
Kelsin Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:47:00 - [59] Originally by: Garreck Except CVA does not require anybody to "join us, protect our territory, or fight our enemies." Pilots and organizations are able to do so of their own free will. Whether they do or not, they still benefit from our protection in our space. Interestingly enough, the militias are equally voluntary. Indeed, it is the act of volunteering to have one's standings managed by a territorial organization that makes one complicit in their territorial aspirations. The militias are willfully furthering the dirtside Empires' space-holding agendas and so it should come as no surprise that their actions put them in opposition to the postuman destiny Star Fraction pursues. We as a capsuleer community should be moving beyond the primitive concepts of landholding that still pervade our culture, and these militias are a regressive manifestation of those useless ideologies. Abusing the power of a pod pilot to hold sway over the planetbound is simply and obviously grounds to be a political enemy of the Star Fraction.
Agustus Caesar 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:05:00 - [60] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 13/06/2008 21:06:44 Originally by: Kelsin Originally by: Garreck Except CVA does not require anybody to "join us, protect our territory, or fight our enemies." Pilots and organizations are able to do so of their own free will. Whether they do or not, they still benefit from our protection in our space. Interestingly enough, the militias are equally voluntary. Indeed, it is the act of volunteering to have one's standings managed by a territorial organization that makes one complicit in their territorial aspirations. The militias are willfully furthering the dirtside Empires' space-holding agendas and so it should come as no surprise that their actions put them in opposition to the postuman destiny Star Fraction pursues. We as a capsuleer community should be moving beyond the primitive concepts of landholding that still pervade our culture, and these militias are a regressive manifestation of those useless ideologies. Abusing the power of a pod pilot to hold sway over the planetbound is simply and obviously grounds to be a political enemy of the Star Fraction. So what do you suggest we do? Lay down our arms and let the 24th Imperial Crusade overun the Republic's territoy and enslave it's inhabitants? (edited for format issues) ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.

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