There is a trick involving an orca to save a high priced gank ship. I won't elaborate

There is a trick involving an orca to save a high priced gank ship. I won't elaborate

Please? I want to have to deal wit pimped carebear ships while flying just about any pvp ship.

[Not condoning it, but I reckon if you are killing botters, I don't see anything wrong with fighting exploits with exploits.

Except two wrongs don't make a right.

Except two wrongs don't make a right.

the problem is for the victim is its too easy for gankers. Far too easy...

However its far too difficult for CCP to police.

Oh my God! Another one!

Go away, will you.

Bloody Hell...

Seems thats the only way you seem to be able to defend the current pvp system in this game.
If the current pvp system in eve online is fine and has no problems then i wonder what the deal is all about then concerning next expansion.

I love how you make that assertion while failing to point out the flaws in this "failure PvP system."

Close, but not quite.
The problem is that the victim makes it too easy for the gankers.

I was kind of wondering how these guys got four ganks (that I know of) off the same undock. You'd think these Tengu pilots would notice a stranger sitting on the undock, or check local every so often to see if there was someone they didn't recognize, or even see if there was chatter in local, or hell, just noticed that there was a ******* Tengu wreck on the undock.

***Alternatively, a perfectly legal variation to save costs on ganking: (I DO condone this, BTW, as it is *not* an exploit)

T2 Fit a Tornado, gank, fly to Orca - then 'unfit' the 1400MM T2 guns into the Orca's corp hangar before Concord arrives.
Don't bother wasting time with the fitting window: just quickly drag and drop mods directly from the UI to the Orca Corp Hangar.

Each gun saved is 4-5M ISK and you can do this even while locked down and neuted by Concord.
Then bolt those T2 1400MM Arties directly onto a brand new hull.

This.

I was kind of wondering how these guys got four ganks (that I know of) off the same undock. You'd think these Tengu pilots would notice a stranger sitting on the undock, or check local every so often to see if there was someone they didn't recognize, or even see if there was chatter in local, or hell, just noticed that there was a ******* Tengu wreck on the undock.

Some people...

are obviously botting.

Depends. If the wrecks were salvaged there were no markers. The undock at many of the empire missioning hubs is busy! If there are 140 people in system it takes a big gang on the undock to rise beyond the level of normal traffic.

The last I checked, minerals need to be at manufacturing facilities for industrialists to use them, not trade hubs. The only reason to buy minerals in a trade hub is that you can buy in huge quantities, which small industrialists don't need to do. You actually pay a premium for minerals at trade hubs, as I'm sure you're aware.

If hauling minerals to Jita becomes less profitable due to ganking, why wouldn't small scale producers actually see a decrease in mineral prices on their local markets?

If I were a small scale highsec producer, I'd consider sponsoring suicide gankers, and possibly getting together with other small scale producers to sponsor widespread ganking along all the main trade routes. In fact, that sounds pretty fun!

Wow, I ran into a 12 Tornado gang 3 jumps out from Jita last night. Wasn't expecting that at all. I had 200 million worth of datacores on me, but I was flying a cloaked Crane, and got by them easily.

Was a surprise though, geeze. I always fly cloaked (in my Crane) when I'm carrying more than the value of a replacement ship.

Aw, c'mon, that's just not fair!! People should just be able to max out their mining skillz and not have to worry about any other skillz in this game!!! EveO needz some more nerfing!! No shooting at anyone without written prior consent!! Consentual peeveepee only, demmit!!!


(ps: let's see how many idjuts think I'm serious)

I see suicide ganking as a mechanism for making EVE playerbase stronger and healthier.
Those who are too fat and lazy are culled, the rest survive by learning and adapting - becoming stronger.

Understandably, the cattle doesn't like to have wolfs following them around, but those wolfs actually help the herd remain healthy and get plenty of exercise. They don't realize it's good for them, but that's OK as long as CCP knows

The only problem I see here is the Orca tricks such as unfitted of expensive mods before CONCORD kills

Aw, c'mon, that's just not fair!! People should just be able to max out their mining skillz and not have to worry about any other skillz in this game!!! EveO needz some more nerfing!! No shooting at anyone without written prior consent!! Consentual peeveepee only, demmit!!!


(ps: let's see how many idjuts think I'm serious)

Tell me have you ever tried to get an order for Zyd or Mega filled in Dodixie? It isn't a fun experience.

Low end minerals move through local hubs at descent volume. High ends, forget about it. Lets not even go into the prices of T2 components at secondary hubs. The bottom line is that for many mats the only viable market is Jita.

EVE is a game where EVERYTHING is supposed to be a form of pvp, if its killing someone, or mining the rocks out from under them, or undercutting their prices on the markets.

Essentially, any activity you can thing of with no risk and no competition does not belong in eve(Ice mining is the biggest thing that comes to mind, what with the fact that the floating ice blocks spew forth infinite cubes of frozen fuel, followed by mission running, 2 things most ganked) and most things, when looked at as a pvp activity instead of mindless grinding for more isk, are much more profitable.

If you don't like pvp, get out of eve, because thats all there is supposed to be in this game, even if it is competition over resources and not direct ganking(which is a resource denial tool)

Tell me have you ever tried to get an order for Zyd or Mega filled in Dodixie? It isn't a fun experience.

Low end minerals move through local hubs at descent volume. High ends, forget about it. Lets not even go into the prices of T2 components at secondary hubs. The bottom line is that for many mats the only viable market is Jita.