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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:22:00 -
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This is reaching the level of a crime wave. The gankers are no longer even using passive targeters to scan you. I'm getting visibly scanned every time I bring any form of hauler into Jita. This is an annoying constant assault. Its also putting hard limit on how much isk can be shipped that is, I think, lower than what CCP intended. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5415
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:25:00 -
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What problem?Jas Dor wrote:This is reaching the level of a crime wave. The gankers are no longer even using passive targeters to scan you. I'm getting visibly scanned every time I bring any form of hauler into Jita. Then it should be ridiculously easy to avoid, since you are given ample warning.
Quote:Its also putting hard limit on how much isk can be shipped that is, I think, lower than what CCP intended. They probably didn't intend anything, and since the ISK shipped is more than zero, it can't really be lowerGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
398
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:27:00 -
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1789
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:31:00 -
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Stop autopiloting through empire if you're transporting expensive stuff.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
376
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:32:00 -
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Funny, the only time I have been yellow boxed is when I'm autopiloting (which I only do with an empty or worthless cargo hold, mind you). |
Stella SGP
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:32:00 -
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Well, referring to an earlier thread about suicide freighters, sadly the general consensus on the forums seem to be either haul less then 700mil in your freighter or bring a gang of 12 remote reppers to counter the 12 Tornados sitting on gate.
I know... sad right. Maybe next time people will think about possible implications before happily accepting the introduction of new ship types. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
420
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:33:00 -
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How about putting Perimeter and Sobaseki on your avoidance list? The other gates in Jita are completely void of gankers. And in the worst case, it'll add 4 jumps to your trips.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
520
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:36:00 -
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Wait, did the OP actually create a whine thread about being scanned?
doublefacepalm
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
gfldex
351
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:54:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:This is reaching the level of a crime wave.
You need to whine more to make sure even the last idiot learns what formidable income the Tornado can provide for those who understand what a positive sec status is for.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5415
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:55:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:How about putting Perimeter and Sobaseki on your avoidance list? The other gates in Jita are completely void of gankers. And in the worst case, it'll add 4 jumps to your trips.
GǪand you have to come from some fairly odd direction in order for it to become that many.
For a trip to or from any of the other market hubs, not going through Perimiter adds one jump:
From Amarr, go Kaaputenen GåÆ Kamio GåÆ Halaima GåÆ Sarekuwa GåÆ Tunttaras GåÆ Ikuchi/Niyabainen instead of Kaaputenen GåÆ Inaro GåÆ Sirppala GåÆ Urlen GåÆ Perimeter.
From Dodixie or Rens, go for the Uedama GåÆ Ikao GåÆ Kamio (and then proceed as above), rather than turn onto the Uedama GåÆ Juunigaishi GåÆ GǪ GåÆ Perimiter route.
Or hell, just proceed to Perimiter as usual and then, instead of going though the Jita gate, skip over to Niyabainen and go though there instead. Again, +1 jump is all it takes.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
157
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Posted - 2012.03.11 18:58:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:This is reaching the level of a crime wave. The gankers are no longer even using passive targeters to scan you. I'm getting visibly scanned every time I bring any form of hauler into Jita. This is an annoying constant assault. Its also putting hard limit on how much isk can be shipped that is, I think, lower than what CCP intended. Suicide ganking is so prevalent because it's the ONLY viable form of PvP left in highsec.
The wardec mechanics have been broken for years and the GMs let it go to trash.
How do you kill someone in highsec? Wardec is no longer a viable option.
So what are you left with? Suicide ganking.
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Im Super Gay
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:05:00 -
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1 put the expensive stuff you want to haul in cans/freight containers
2 contract the cans of stuff to an alt
3 have the alt courier contract the cans of stuff to back you
4 fly immune to cargo scanners |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:10:00 -
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the only problem with suicide ganking is the punishment is hardly anything.
one way to help fix it is make sec status mean something more then "your allowed to enter space"
if you have a 5.0 sec status its the same as someone with a 0.0 sec status.
how bout give people with more then 0 some good stuff?
more bounties from rat kills- or make it so 5.0 = what it is now and less the lower your sec, this means suicide ganking will hurt your income until u get it back up.
more expensive to war dec corps or alliances with higher sec status- the same way corp standings are taken make it so war dec prices are say, 5 times more expensive for the corp/alliance average this will help the war dec griefing issue a bit, and makes a nice isk sink.
faster concord response in highsec- obvious
have concord pod people if they are -5.0 or something- tears. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:11:00 -
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Er, CCP has done something recently about suicide gankers:
They removed insurance payouts if you get Concordokened.
This is important, as it means gankers have to be choosier about their targets in order to turn a profit. |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
109
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:13:00 -
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If EVE is too hard, you are too weak.
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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:15:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Funny, the only time I have been yellow boxed is when I'm autopiloting (which I only do with an empty or worthless cargo hold, mind you).
I get yellow boxed every time I go into/out of Jita. That includs atk. The only time I'm not yellow boxed is when:
a. I'm coming in, in a blockcade runner and am able to cloak on gate, or
b. Undocking straight to an insta undock (normally don't bother if I'm empty or have a really low value cargo).
Even then, unless you're in a blockade runner you're unlikely to clear perimeter without being scanned. Getting scanned happens regularly with both a transport ship and an Ity V (really, do you really think I'm moving anything of value in an Ity V).
Getting constantly scanned is annoying. Not as annoying as getting ganked, but having people constantly take the first step to attack you gets old fast.
Honestly I'm guessing no freighter is clearing Jita without a scan (though those might be getting passive scanned so as not to spook you into logging before the gank).
A 10% chance of a scan adds color to the game. A 100% chance of a scan is a problem. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5415
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:16:00 -
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Im Super Gay wrote:1 put the expensive stuff you want to haul in cans/freight containers
2 contract the cans of stuff to an alt
3 have the alt courier contract the cans of stuff to back you
4 fly immune to cargo scanners
GǪor, if you are carrying less than 40k m-¦, use an Orca GÇö requires 50% more gank and provides 100% less loot.
Herping yourDerp wrote:the only problem with suicide ganking is the punishment is hardly anything.
one way to help fix it is make sec status mean something more then "your allowed to enter space" Another way is if people actually delivered the punishment they're meant to deliver. This would be further helped if wardecs weren't so broken and if they were easier to initiate and harder to shake off.
Suicide ganking exists because it's the only remaining functional avenue of attack, and it works so well because people have become so used to the safety of highsec that they forgot to take even the most basic precautions. Making space less safe would most likely make people more secure, because they would have to learn and employ some more intelligent safety behaviour, which works wonders against suicide ganks.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Caroline Grace
Almost Approved
10
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:27:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:This is reaching the level of a crime wave. The gankers are no longer even using passive targeters to scan you. I'm getting visibly scanned every time I bring any form of hauler into Jita. This is an annoying constant assault. Its also putting hard limit on how much isk can be shipped that is, I think, lower than what CCP intended.
I beg your pardon? I feel important when I'm being scanned, leave it alone! |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:36:00 -
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[quote=Stella SGP]Well, referring to an earlier thread about suicide freighters, sadly the general consensus on the forums seem to be either haul less then 700mil in your freighter or bring a gang of 12 remote reppers to counter the 12 Tornados sitting on gate.
A 700m cap on moving stuff with a freighter makes any good with a value greater than say 1000 isk/m3 difficult to ship (assuming a freighter hold of 700,000 m/3. Trit is going for 4.5 isk/unit right now or 450 isk/m3.
Let me try to get this through your thick skull. Any mod with more than a 2.2 compression factor, just on trit alone, can no longer be efficiently hauled. That's almost every item in the game (except cap boosters).
You kill the ability to ship things then wonder why the game has run away inflation. If you can't ship effectively you go from large industrialists spooling up large jobs to little guys moving in a stack of maybe 100 mods at a time. This is not a good thing for an effective low price point. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5415
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:43:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:A 700m cap on moving stuff with a freighter makes any good with a value greater than say 1000 isk/m3 difficult to ship (assuming a freighter hold of 700,000 m/3. Trit is going for 4.5 isk/unit right now or 450 isk/m3.
Let me try to get this through your thick skull. Any mod with more than a 2.2 compression factor, just on trit alone, can no longer be efficiently hauled. That's almost every item in the game (except cap boosters). Sure they can. A lone freighter is just not the efficient way of doing it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jita Alt666
949
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:51:00 -
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hey look another melodramatic thread about losing poorly operated vessels in jita. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
913
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Posted - 2012.03.11 19:58:00 -
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I'll kick this thread up a notch.
Suicide ganking is a viable tactic, but you should be podded by Concord for it.
Cold, harsh and unforgiving is the mantra, I believe. Make it true CCP. Pod the bastards.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Arakazzi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:02:00 -
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Why can't people accept that this is part of EVE and move on? |
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:07:00 -
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Sandbox working as intended. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
376
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:09:00 -
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O fficial
R ape
C age
A mbulate |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
130
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:13:00 -
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1. Deal with it.
2. Get and tank an orca, jam everything in corp hangar.
3. Move to jita in smaller loads.
4. DON'T GO TO BLOODY JITA. THERE ARE OTHER TRADE HUBS. Less lag, less gank.
5. Courier contracts. Let Someone Else Do It. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:38:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:If you can't ship effectively you go from large industrialists spooling up large jobs to little guys moving in a stack of maybe 100 mods at a time. This is not a good thing for an effective low price point.
But it's great for small industrialists and regional market hubs. You're making some very good arguments in favor of suicide ganking. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
847
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Posted - 2012.03.11 20:48:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:This is reaching the level of a crime wave. The gankers are no longer even using passive targeters to scan you. I'm getting visibly scanned every time I bring any form of hauler into Jita. This is an annoying constant assault. Its also putting hard limit on how much isk can be shipped that is, I think, lower than what CCP intended.
You have a lot of solutions to counter this:
-install your toon somewhere else than jita/rens/amarr (dodixie is meh too)
-try to buy/sell 7 to 10 jumps of those hubs (and believe me your profits will be a lot higher)
-create instant undock safe spots at different distances.
-use cloaky hauler, yes cloacky hauler in high sec is completely god mode travel. Try to catch my viator or crane getting in to or getting out of jita 4-4, good luck 
Of course you'll be doing your travel with warps at 0 and manually, forget youp++rn k?
-last but non least: unsub with reason: high sec ganking
The more there will be doing this the faster something will get donne. It's the only language or discussion CCP understands, the unilateral one.
Sure they've done some progress but start a new gallente combat toon from 0 and we'll talk about it after that.  |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.11 21:11:00 -
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Link me exactly where CCP states this is how much isk you can safely carry.
No? Can't find it? I'll tell you what you can find, is CCP saying that High-sec is not safe space and it never will be. High-sec space is not safe, only safer.
Oh and welcome to EVE. Stop your whining and HTFU. |
baltec1
779
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Posted - 2012.03.11 21:18:00 -
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I was attacked once 4 years ago in my hauler. I do 4 or 5 trips into and out of jita every day and have been scanned twice in 5 months.
I don't think this is as big an issue as the OP thinks. |
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