Why would my pod being blown up stop me from suicide ganking? Sounds like pubbie logic.

Though not in the last little while, I have over the years moved billions (up to abour 10bil) at a time in and out of Jita. The only time I got ganked was when I left some T2 BPC's in a shuttle by accident and AP'd to Jita and was sat on a gate for about 20 minutes. Suicide ganking is easily avoidable if you take simple and common sense precautions, if you don't you deserve to lose your ship and cargo.

Part of the problem is the punishment system has a lot to be desired. Taking insurance payouts from gankers were just common sense but imo doesn't really go far enough.

Imortals should have a better punishment system than the one Eve has. For instance, when your in high sec and you blow up another citizen or kill them you shouldn't just be given the current "Community service" punishment that is currently in place.
What kind of punishment is chain killing a few priates in low or null? You can get sec status back up in hours/ days, then go right back to killing people inside of the factions space.

One thing to do is not only should the person take a sec status hit, they should take a hit to all corporations/ factions the victim had good standings with, the hit should be based on how good of standings the victim had with said corps/ faction.
They should also be banished from that factions space for a time limit, increasing with each offense, say a 3 strike rule. Say strike one is a weeks banishment, strike two a months banishment, strike three perma ban from that factions space where they are KOS to everyone. During the banishment period clone contracts in that area should also be revoked.

This will not make high sec totally safe, but it would require gankers to decide the risk verse reward, and would make more sense in a "highly evolved" society.

Sure people will make ganking alts, but thats just eve. As it is null is safer than high sec and doesn't even adress low sec, but with people being banished from high sec, at least after time the population would grow in low waiting to gank high and null sec dwellers as they pass through.

That being said, the risk verse reward needs to be totally revamped for all area's of space. (As though we don't know that)

Here's a quick list of things that can no longer be moved by the freighterload


Antimatter Charge M = 3920 isk/m3 (using lowest Forge price).
EMP M = 3920 ism/m3 (give or take a couple of isk).
Hammerhead I = 2889 isk/m3

The gank limit is currently around 1000isk m/3 (For 700mil in drop from 700K of cargohold).

When a freighter can not move a full cargohold of T1 ammo or T1 drones something has gone horribly wrong.

your ideas suck

if you want risk-free pve go to wow thanks!!!

As someone who's done a fair amount of suicide ganking and runs lots of cargo through Jita on a regular basis, I can say with 100% certainty that moving cargo isn't about making it impossible or even particularly difficult to be suicide ganked. You just have to be a less worthwhile target than the freighter next to you.

Having a same-corp alt to give you webs helps a lot too, but for some reason every time I show in Empire CONCORD decides that, no, the week I spent shooting Sansha rats in Stain doesn't count after all and they still hate me.

Where did I mention "Risk free pve"? Reading 101 ftw

Targeting like that is frequently used to make people panic and think less rationally. It is a strategy like any other. Also, easy and cheap way to unnerve the bears. :)

High-sec is suppose to be a safe haven for all those that want to play the none-pvp side of eve.

Why would my pod being blown up stop me from suicide ganking? Sounds like pubbie logic.

Your idea discourages suicide ganking and punishes "offenders" with permanent banishment from hisec space. Get out.

Last week, I logged in shortly after downtime and saw that a courier contract I had put up earlier was still lying unfulfilled. Being the impatient pup that I was, I decided to haul the goods myself in a T1 industrial. All 1b ISK worth of goods. Since downtime only ended recently, the online population was "only" 5,000 so I figured the chances of avoiding a suicide-gank were good.

How wrong I was. Four jumps out of Jita, I suddenly found myself floating in a pod, 1b poorer. That 1b represented over half of my assets and I naturally asked myself the question every victim of a suicide-gank asks himself - "Should I continue playing this game?"

I exited, swore to myself to never play EVE again, opened up LOTRO and began the PVE grind in Middle Earth. After five minutes, I realised that accomplishments in games like WoW and LOTRO don't really mean anything. Since death is "risk-free" in these games, all accomplishments do is signify the time you spent in these games.

Not so in EVE. While accomplishments in EVE do require time as well, they also demand SKILL and INTELLIGENCE. If you lack the latter, this game will brutally punish you. Thus accomplishments in EVE are far more meaningful than in games like WoW or LOTRO. A mistake in WoW will only cost you inconvenience and a tiny bit of gold to repair your equipment. A mistake in EVE can cost everything.

It is this brutality that makes EVE so much more enticing. When you achieve something, you really achieve it. Suicide-gankers ensure there is no real safe zone in EVE. Success in EVE is earned, not given.

To all the suicide-gankers out there, thank you for making EVE an interesting place.

The 3 strike rule was an example, and yes it would discourage it, of course being a goon, you would find ways around it.

Would crime not be discouraged by any society? There would still be ganking, there would still be can flipping, there would still be baiting, and if they fix the war dec system there would still be wars, not to mention fw. You would just have to pick targets a little more carefully based on value or to cut enemy supply lines.

And bots don't typically have any sort of standings twoards any faction or corporation, so there would be little to no hit in those cases.

Sure people will make ganking alts, but thats just eve. As it is null is safer than high sec and doesn't even adress low sec, but with people being banished from high sec, at least after time the population would grow in low waiting to gank high and null sec dwellers as they pass through.

As it is null is safer than high sec

I think you have hit on the core of the problem there. The more rules you make the more overburdened a system becomes. And the more likely you make it that someone will find a way around those rules.

I still think they should remove CONCORD, implement NPC defensive ships that match the capabilities of player ships to defend NPC space (With realistically escalating numbers in the face of a larger threat) and allow corporations to defend their own space. Let the player population defend their own and take control of the sandbox in that way.

But, that's me. I'm a sucker for punishment

Want a hint? Look up "Zombies, Siege of Yulai"

Here's a quick list of things that can no longer be moved by the freighterload


Antimatter Charge M = 3920 isk/m3 (using lowest Forge price).
EMP M = 3920 ism/m3 (give or take a couple of isk).
Hammerhead I = 2889 isk/m3

The gank limit is currently around 1000isk m/3 (For 700mil in drop from 700K of cargohold).

When a freighter can not move a full cargohold of T1 ammo or T1 drones something has gone horribly wrong.

Yeah and back in the day I loaded a Large Faction Tower into an Ity IV, put some tank on the thing, and made it to my destination. This is not back in the day. Simply fitting a tank and not AFKing is no longer enough.

Here's a quick list of things that can no longer be moved by the freighterload


Antimatter Charge M = 3920 isk/m3 (using lowest Forge price).
EMP M = 3920 ism/m3 (give or take a couple of isk).
Hammerhead I = 2889 isk/m3

The gank limit is currently around 1000isk m/3 (For 700mil in drop from 700K of cargohold).

When a freighter can not move a full cargohold of T1 ammo or T1 drones something has gone horribly wrong.

I got suicide ganked yesterday. Delightful experience. Funny now but wasn't impressed at the time. My tengu got hit by 5 thrashers and a rupture. Pilots had -9.x type sec status. Killboard revealed they ganked 2 other tengus in the preceeding hour. Neither had a single faction mod. I had minimal faction gear.

It appears players (with bad sec status) can take out a series of ships in high sec with essentially no penalty.

So why is it called high sec? How about a name change (or penalty)? 'Gank sec' lol?

I've lost SP in pvp and pve but losing SP to a suicide gank is rude.

Suicide ganking isn't combat. It shouldn't boost kill records. Moreover, if the target hasn't heard of suicide ganking then it isn't even pvp.

Well, Im off to buy a thrasher.

Now you ought to use an appropriate ship, fit it properly and pay attention to your route.


Just like always.