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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:59:00 -
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Hi guys, this isn't some anti-CCP rant before anyone says. It's not even a rant :)
Just wondering as it's potentially business suicide and who ever thought it up - Never in a company I was in charge of...
So I heard they have taken away the 30 day GTC. Replaced it with a 60 day GTC at double the price. Ok, makes me frown but nothing major. But wait, it's double and EXTRA. Ok now it's ripping off. But as I said I will not turn this into a rant.
To save me typing it all out again this is what I already explained on an alliance forum after stating that I will have to sell up and move on:
Quote: I can only afford 30 day. Not my choice. I have ú30 a week to live on.
ú10/week bus (damn oil prices) ú10/week food (if I eat M&M's and greasy sausage baps) ú10/week bank (Need money in reserve as everyone knows for the weeks I don't get the ú30 'cus the *** government don't let you have it if you're ill for even a day)
ú0 left.
I can only afford it now 'cus I loot my bank once a month. I'm not doing that twice a month... My ú30 stops at the end of the month, what am I gonna pay with then? [Edit - Took out a load of stuff about my career choice that you won't be interested in]
Basically... yes. I have no choice. gg CCP... gg
So in my last few days of EVE I was wondering if anyone else is in the same position?
gg CCP
MJ --------------------
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Kirana Si
House of Lubrication
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:01:00 -
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Welcome to 1 month ago
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Ordon Gundar
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:04:00 -
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So is this what MY tax money is going towards?
Get a job FFS!
Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S) |
Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:05:00 -
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Wow some people really are dumb. CCP have raised the price. They can do this whenever they want. If you dont like it, leave.
If you cant afford it, either a) wait for inflation to push up your wage b) get a better job c) quit.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 16/06/2008 13:06:24 Get a creditcard? Get better prioritize in your life? get a job?
If such a small amount of money can ruin it all, you shouldnt be playing in the first place. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Xparky on 16/06/2008 13:07:51 dblpost . |
Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:07:00 -
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I assume this is about the GTCs being 60d and no more 30d and 90d.
Subscription price is exactly the same, it's only GTCs prices that have changed.
Use a debit card, pay monthly. Screw GTCs. . |
GI0VANNI
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:07:00 -
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Get a job or pay by DD.
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stunna13
Archon Industries The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: stunna13 on 16/06/2008 13:09:54 that sucks man... sorry to hear your struggles... well if your not going to play anymore... you know...
but but just save up and then you can play for 2 months and you should be ok from there... or dont use gtc _____________
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Nadjar
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:09:00 -
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Use isk.
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Armoured C
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:10:00 -
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sibs for eve is like 10-11 quiddies a month for uk players for exchange rate
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:10:00 -
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Let me get this right. You barely got money to spend, (and i will ignore that you then spend it on mmorpg), and you take at the moment one of the expensive options: buying 30 day gtcs. 90 day gtcs would have been much cheaper.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading.
If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm)
However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post.
If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs.
As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money.
Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off
Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies. --------------------
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Vincent Rainbow
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nadjar Use isk.
this
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nadjar Use isk.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:19:00 -
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/me points to post above... --------------------
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Rekindle
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:20:00 -
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I too think it was a bad move to go to the 60day cards. What I find more disturbing is the insulting nature of this community.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you have two accounts then its more money up front, a little over double by my math. Sure you get a month where you dont have to pay but is that the point?
I would say however, that you may have to go elsewhere to have a constructive conversation. People will have lots of highly opinioniated options and suggestions for you :) -------------------------------------------
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:21:00 -
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i do sorta see where OP is coming from,
I've recently just been made redundant and with the credit crunch in UK i've had to switch to buying GTCs with isk to play the game. Luckily i've managed ot get about 300mill in th elast 10 days s i'm on my way to buy a 60day but when ur on a tight budget for any reason its a struggle to keep up with things u love doing. Thi sis first time in 4 yrs that i've had to pay using isk and am lucky enuff that corp mates also offered to donate isk to my wallet to help pay fo ra GTC if needed so i could continue playing.
if ur part of a reasonably sized corp ask for a doanation of 500k - 1 mill from your friends. its not a lot from each person but will soon mount up an help u stay ingame.
Also as someone else said, before ur time is up set a massive skill level going like BS5 (use a bare jumpclone with no implants for more time if needed) and save up for 2 months and buy the 60 day GTC, that way u can then begin to pay every 2 months and u have battleship lv 5 out the way too. if u run lv4 missions then u can get 400 mill in 2 weeks by looting and salvaging the wrecks even in a high sec agent (just moved from dodixie) thats plenty for a 60 day GTC with isk too.
All in all if u really wanted to stay in game u'd find a way to do it.. I did
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Princess Kyky
No Mercy To Nobody
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:24:00 -
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ú30 = your on ema right? :)
Get a part time job mate, it was the only way i could afford eve while i was at college, tho it means less play time but still worth it :P ------
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:24:00 -
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While I'm not in your situation I do understand the price changes and the impact it will have on pilots.
I don't think I would continue playing if my marginals was that close to living tho, no matter price change or not - at least for me real life is always more important than New Eden, even though they are close
Either way I wish you the best with what you will do in life if you do quit and I am sure we will see you back here some day.
/c
Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar? |
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Chzandri
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:26:00 -
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Make 150 million ISK a month, pay for subscription. This is about 15 hours of mining, 10 hours of running level 4 missions or killing 0.0 rats, and and hour or less trading depending on how good you are per month.
Also if you are so poor that you cannot afford to pay $15 monthly for a computer game the you get your priorities straight and don't play pay to play games until you can earn enough money irl to afford it. Trying to live beyond your means will always leads to problems.
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Princess Kyky
No Mercy To Nobody
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32
However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post.
p.s we dont know where you live so this is something stupid to say ------
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Kyky ú30 = your on ema right? :)
Get a part time job mate, it was the only way i could afford eve while i was at college, tho it means less play time but still worth it :P
Bar work is always a fave of students if ur on EMA/At college. only really works if ur 17 over tho (u can work in a bar at 17 if all u do is glass collect but u cant work past midnight or serve drinks)
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ZinderX500
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: ZinderX500 on 16/06/2008 13:28:49 Too many dumb people replied to this thread. Seriously.
Let's take the posts of the guys that said "pay with ISK". Wouldn't he do this already if he ******* had that ammount of ISK ?
You think it's too easy to earn 170mils per month for GTC ? Then send him the ISK if it's too easy for you , idiots.
Stop replying with ****ty replies , just to post.
_____________________ Shelley Godfrey: Have you lost your mind!? Baltar: That's an interesting question, and one I pose to myself on a regular basis. |
Uzume Ame
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:30:00 -
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The increase in price sucks, but do you realize this is only for GTC? Yes, there are other payment methods.
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Armoured C
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:30:00 -
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posting in a thread with chribba \o/
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Ordon Gundar
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading.
If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm)
However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post.
If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs. Furb Killer lol I know but come on... Everyone has to have something fun to do with mates online.
As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money.
Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off
Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies.
Its nothing to do with sadism!
I did a three year, full time, degree course, AND worked weekends, and I had a damn sight more than ú30 per week in my pocket, AND I got the qualification I wanted. The problem is, everyone wants handouts nowdays, when really you need to get off your arse and go earn the money.
Credit crunch?? Learn to manage your finances and dont get into unmanagable credit situations. Simple as. It really grates on me when I see news programmes with people moaning about unemployment and you can see a lovely, shiny LCD TV in the background!
Anyway..back to the topic..as the poster above says, save up for a while, and then buy a card. If you have to go without for a month to save the money, then tough!
Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S) |
ZinderX500
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Uzume Ame The increase in price sucks, but do you realize this is only for GTC? Yes, there are other payment methods.
Do you realize that some people cannot pay with any different method than GTC ? My debit card doesn't work in EVE for some reason and i am forced to buy GTC from sites , to pay my subscriptions. _____________________ Shelley Godfrey: Have you lost your mind!? Baltar: That's an interesting question, and one I pose to myself on a regular basis. |
Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 16/06/2008 13:35:20 CCP raised the price so as to make a bigger "cut" from RMT ($ for ISK), no other reason.
What they should do is be honest and admit to that.
I think they need to flat out implement RMT or ban it completely (I favor the latter) but at the very least, they need to decouple it from game time codes. Getting rid of the 30 day code is going to cost them players and is a bad idea.
The only good thing about GTC for ISK sales is that you could essentially play EVE for free by funding it with a couple evenings of ratting. Now that this burden more than doubled, I wonder how many players who couldn't otherwise afford to play EVE will leave, since they will basically have to take up the (unfun) life of a Chinese farmer just to keep playing...
The bottom line is that RMT is either good for EVE or destructive to EVE. It can't be both, and the $$$ going to CCP or to some 3rd party doesn't make any difference at all as far as the game is concerned. CCP stands on the hypocritical line that $$$ to them=not harmful (despite the fact that it is RMT for ISK) but $$$ to IGE or some other vile farmer company=end of the world.
This is very similar to the hypocrisy governments engage in with respect to cigarettes... If the product is deadly and harmful, make it illegal! But no, governments are too "addicted" to the tax revenue, so they won't make it illegal, but will instead maximize their cut of the profits by ratcheting up taxes in the name of "public health".
Same thing is going on here with RMT and EVE. CCP's official stance is that cash for ISK is a game economy killer. I happen to agree. But they won't outright ban ALL forms of cash for ISK, they allow the methods that result in CCP getting the cash, such as character transfers (CCP pockets $50) and GTC sales (CCP pockets $35 now for $30 worth of game time). The increase in GTC cost to be out of line with subscription rates amounts to the same hypocrisy of raising cigarette taxes "in the interests of public health" when the real interest is in lining CCP's pockets.
Again, I have no problem with that, CCP can do whatever they want, but AT LEAST BE HONEST ABOUT IT!
No one should take a word of CCP's doom and gloom stance on RMT as truth until they ban ALL forms of it. Both the kind that CCP gets revenue from and those where they don't.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:36:00 -
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Indeed Rekindle, which is why I don't post here often but I just ignore them anyway so they are wasting their time posting here as I'm sure others do too.
Laughlyn Vaughns, thanks for the tips :) Good idea, should give me some buffer time. Although I hate asking people for money, some people owe me one anyway xD
Kyky as I sad before :/ no jobs at all round here. I don't think there is anywhere that doesn't have my CV lol and I know but you don't need to :P there are many places like it.
Chribba, of course. By no means am I saying "wow! I can't play EVE! Everones gonna die! I demand sympathy!" I'm just trying to see if anyone else in in this position and if anyone has any constructive comments to add. Which some people including yourself have. :)
As I've already said I have applied for jobs (been told pub should have a position in the bar opening up soon). --------------------
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