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MJ Maverick IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.06.16 12:59:00 - [1] Hi guys, this isn't some anti-CCP rant before anyone says. It's not even a rant :) Just wondering as it's potentially business suicide and who ever thought it up - Never in a company I was in charge of... So I heard they have taken away the 30 day GTC. Replaced it with a 60 day GTC at double the price. Ok, makes me frown but nothing major. But wait, it's double and EXTRA. Ok now it's ripping off. But as I said I will not turn this into a rant. To save me typing it all out again this is what I already explained on an alliance forum after stating that I will have to sell up and move on: Quote: I can only afford 30 day. Not my choice. I have ú30 a week to live on. ú10/week bus (damn oil prices) ú10/week food (if I eat M&M's and greasy sausage baps) ú10/week bank (Need money in reserve as everyone knows for the weeks I don't get the ú30 'cus the *** government don't let you have it if you're ill for even a day) ú0 left. I can only afford it now 'cus I loot my bank once a month. I'm not doing that twice a month... My ú30 stops at the end of the month, what am I gonna pay with then? [Edit - Took out a load of stuff about my career choice that you won't be interested in] Basically... yes. I have no choice. gg CCP... gg So in my last few days of EVE I was wondering if anyone else is in the same position? gg CCP MJ --------------------
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:01:00 - [2] Welcome to 1 month ago
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:04:00 - [3] So is this what MY tax money is going towards? Get a job FFS! Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
Lothris Andastar	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:05:00 - [4] Wow some people really are dumb. CCP have raised the price. They can do this whenever they want. If you dont like it, leave. If you cant afford it, either a) wait for inflation to push up your wage b) get a better job c) quit.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Shintai on 16/06/2008 13:06:24 Get a creditcard? Get better prioritize in your life? get a job? If such a small amount of money can ruin it all, you shouldnt be playing in the first place. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:06:00 - [6] Edited by: Xparky on 16/06/2008 13:07:51 dblpost .
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:07:00 - [7] I assume this is about the GTCs being 60d and no more 30d and 90d. Subscription price is exactly the same, it's only GTCs prices that have changed. Use a debit card, pay monthly. Screw GTCs. .
GI0VANNI	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:07:00 - [8] Get a job or pay by DD.
stunna13 Archon Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:07:00 - [9] Edited by: stunna13 on 16/06/2008 13:09:54 that sucks man... sorry to hear your struggles... well if your not going to play anymore... you know... but but just save up and then you can play for 2 months and you should be ok from there... or dont use gtc _____________ #23 Devin Hester The BIGLottery
Nadjar Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:09:00 - [10] Use isk. _____________ No sig here, move along.
Armoured C Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:10:00 - [11] sibs for eve is like 10-11 quiddies a month for uk players for exchange rate
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:10:00 - [12] Let me get this right. You barely got money to spend, (and i will ignore that you then spend it on mmorpg), and you take at the moment one of the expensive options: buying 30 day gtcs. 90 day gtcs would have been much cheaper.
MJ Maverick IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:14:00 - [13] Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading. If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm) However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post. If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs. As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money. Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies. --------------------
Vincent Rainbow Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Nadjar Use isk. this
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Nadjar Use isk.
MJ Maverick IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:19:00 - [16] /me points to post above... --------------------
Rekindle principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:20:00 - [17] I too think it was a bad move to go to the 60day cards. What I find more disturbing is the insulting nature of this community. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you have two accounts then its more money up front, a little over double by my math. Sure you get a month where you dont have to pay but is that the point? I would say however, that you may have to go elsewhere to have a constructive conversation. People will have lots of highly opinioniated options and suggestions for you :) -------------------------------------------
Laughlyn Vaughns Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:21:00 - [18] i do sorta see where OP is coming from, I've recently just been made redundant and with the credit crunch in UK i've had to switch to buying GTCs with isk to play the game. Luckily i've managed ot get about 300mill in th elast 10 days s i'm on my way to buy a 60day but when ur on a tight budget for any reason its a struggle to keep up with things u love doing. Thi sis first time in 4 yrs that i've had to pay using isk and am lucky enuff that corp mates also offered to donate isk to my wallet to help pay fo ra GTC if needed so i could continue playing. if ur part of a reasonably sized corp ask for a doanation of 500k - 1 mill from your friends. its not a lot from each person but will soon mount up an help u stay ingame. Also as someone else said, before ur time is up set a massive skill level going like BS5 (use a bare jumpclone with no implants for more time if needed) and save up for 2 months and buy the 60 day GTC, that way u can then begin to pay every 2 months and u have battleship lv 5 out the way too. if u run lv4 missions then u can get 400 mill in 2 weeks by looting and salvaging the wrecks even in a high sec agent (just moved from dodixie) thats plenty for a 60 day GTC with isk too. All in all if u really wanted to stay in game u'd find a way to do it.. I did
Princess Kyky No Mercy To Nobody	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:24:00 - [19] ú30 = your on ema right? :) Get a part time job mate, it was the only way i could afford eve while i was at college, tho it means less play time but still worth it :P ------

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:24:00 - [20] While I'm not in your situation I do understand the price changes and the impact it will have on pilots. I don't think I would continue playing if my marginals was that close to living tho, no matter price change or not - at least for me real life is always more important than New Eden, even though they are close Either way I wish you the best with what you will do in life if you do quit and I am sure we will see you back here some day. /c Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Chzandri	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:26:00 - [21] Make 150 million ISK a month, pay for subscription. This is about 15 hours of mining, 10 hours of running level 4 missions or killing 0.0 rats, and and hour or less trading depending on how good you are per month. Also if you are so poor that you cannot afford to pay $15 monthly for a computer game the you get your priorities straight and don't play pay to play games until you can earn enough money irl to afford it. Trying to live beyond your means will always leads to problems.
Princess Kyky No Mercy To Nobody	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:27:00 - [22] Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post. p.s we dont know where you live so this is something stupid to say ------
Laughlyn Vaughns Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Princess Kyky ú30 = your on ema right? :) Get a part time job mate, it was the only way i could afford eve while i was at college, tho it means less play time but still worth it :P Bar work is always a fave of students if ur on EMA/At college. only really works if ur 17 over tho (u can work in a bar at 17 if all u do is glass collect but u cant work past midnight or serve drinks)
ZinderX500 RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:28:00 - [24] Edited by: ZinderX500 on 16/06/2008 13:28:49 Too many dumb people replied to this thread. Seriously. Let's take the posts of the guys that said "pay with ISK". Wouldn't he do this already if he ***** had that ammount of ISK ? You think it's too easy to earn 170mils per month for GTC ? Then send him the ISK if it's too easy for you , idiots. Stop replying with ty replies , just to post. _____________________ Shelley Godfrey: Have you lost your mind!? Baltar**: That's an interesting question, and one I pose to myself on a regular basis.
Uzume Ame Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:30:00 - [25] The increase in price sucks, but do you realize this is only for GTC? Yes, there are other payment methods. Teh failure of a signature.
Armoured C Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:30:00 - [26] posting in a thread with chribba \o/
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:30:00 - [27] Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading. If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm) However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post. If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs. Furb Killer lol I know but come on... Everyone has to have something fun to do with mates online. As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money. Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies. Its nothing to do with sadism! I did a three year, full time, degree course, AND worked weekends, and I had a damn sight more than ú30 per week in my pocket, AND I got the qualification I wanted. The problem is, everyone wants handouts nowdays, when really you need to get off your arse and go earn the money. Credit crunch?? Learn to manage your finances and dont get into unmanagable credit situations. Simple as. It really grates on me when I see news programmes with people moaning about unemployment and you can see a lovely, shiny LCD TV in the background! Anyway..back to the topic..as the poster above says, save up for a while, and then buy a card. If you have to go without for a month to save the money, then tough! Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
ZinderX500 RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Uzume Ame The increase in price sucks, but do you realize this is only for GTC? Yes, there are other payment methods. Do you realize that some people cannot pay with any different method than GTC ? My debit card doesn't work in EVE for some reason and i am forced to buy GTC from sites , to pay my subscriptions. _____________________ Shelley Godfrey: Have you lost your mind!? Baltar: That's an interesting question, and one I pose to myself on a regular basis.
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 16/06/2008 13:35:20 CCP raised the price so as to make a bigger "cut" from RMT ($ for ISK), no other reason. What they should do is be honest and admit to that. I think they need to flat out implement RMT or ban it completely (I favor the latter) but at the very least, they need to decouple it from game time codes. Getting rid of the 30 day code is going to cost them players and is a bad idea. The only good thing about GTC for ISK sales is that you could essentially play EVE for free by funding it with a couple evenings of ratting. Now that this burden more than doubled, I wonder how many players who couldn't otherwise afford to play EVE will leave, since they will basically have to take up the (unfun) life of a Chinese farmer just to keep playing... The bottom line is that RMT is either good for EVE or destructive to EVE. It can't be both, and the $$$ going to CCP or to some 3rd party doesn't make any difference at all as far as the game is concerned. CCP stands on the hypocritical line that $$$ to them=not harmful (despite the fact that it is RMT for ISK) but $$$ to IGE or some other vile farmer company=end of the world. This is very similar to the hypocrisy governments engage in with respect to cigarettes... If the product is deadly and harmful, make it illegal! But no, governments are too "addicted" to the tax revenue, so they won't make it illegal, but will instead maximize their cut of the profits by ratcheting up taxes in the name of "public health". Same thing is going on here with RMT and EVE. CCP's official stance is that cash for ISK is a game economy killer. I happen to agree. But they won't outright ban ALL forms of cash for ISK, they allow the methods that result in CCP getting the cash, such as character transfers (CCP pockets $50) and GTC sales (CCP pockets $35 now for $30 worth of game time). The increase in GTC cost to be out of line with subscription rates amounts to the same hypocrisy of raising cigarette taxes "in the interests of public health" when the real interest is in lining CCP's pockets. Again, I have no problem with that, CCP can do whatever they want, but AT LEAST BE HONEST ABOUT IT! No one should take a word of CCP's doom and gloom stance on RMT as truth until they ban ALL forms of it. Both the kind that CCP gets revenue from and those where they don't. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
MJ Maverick IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:36:00 - [30] Indeed Rekindle, which is why I don't post here often but I just ignore them anyway so they are wasting their time posting here as I'm sure others do too. Laughlyn Vaughns, thanks for the tips :) Good idea, should give me some buffer time. Although I hate asking people for money, some people owe me one anyway xD Kyky as I sad before :/ no jobs at all round here. I don't think there is anywhere that doesn't have my CV lol and I know but you don't need to :P there are many places like it. Chribba, of course. By no means am I saying "wow! I can't play EVE! Everones gonna die! I demand sympathy!" I'm just trying to see if anyone else in in this position and if anyone has any constructive comments to add. Which some people including yourself have. :) As I've already said I have applied for jobs (been told pub should have a position in the bar opening up soon). --------------------
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:42:00 - [31] Originally by: MJ Maverick /me points to post above... you mean this? Originally by: MJ Maverick Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off Who said you have to mine afk in a goddam indy? Do a few L4s. Your attitude is entirely defeatist - no wonder you've got no money.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:42:00 - [32] I wonder how long before this can be seen having an effect on the russian subscription base, if any? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Laughlyn Vaughns Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:43:00 - [33] Edited by: Laughlyn Vaughns on 16/06/2008 13:43:58 Originally by: ZinderX500 Edited by: ZinderX500 on 16/06/2008 13:28:49 Too many dumb people replied to this thread. Seriously. Let's take the posts of the guys that said "pay with ISK". Wouldn't he do this already if he ***** had that ammount of ISK ? You think it's too easy to earn 170mils per month for GTC ? Then send him the ISK if it's too easy for you , idiots. Stop replying with **ty replies , just to post. also a dumb thing to say. Yes us that pay for GTCs using isk can afford to do so.... For us only. I may get 400mill in 2 weeks but i dont play the game just to pay for it, i want shiny new toys as much as the next player and then ammo/fittings/new ship if thigs go t.its upwards on a mission ect. Any person skilled in thier ingame proffesion should be able to get enuff cash to at least cover themselves. He may have to save up fo ra coupel months and pay with cash for his first GTC but he then has 60 days to get say 500mill to be on the safe side. if he spends that first few weeks gettign the isk he has the rest of the month to play it as he wishes, just make sure u have the isk in ur wallet incase u cant find a GTC in time lol Also, a 90day GTC was only max 450mill how is a 60day GTC goign to cost 800mill? Have i missed summat?
RayBanJockey	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Chribba I don't think I would continue playing if my marginals was that close to living tho, no matter price change or not Well thing is, it's exactly when you DON'T have money that using what little you have left on EVE saves you, as spending time outside your home often costs WAY more. Not to say it should keep you from applying for the occasional job though
Trail Katron Monkey Universe Corporation Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:44:00 - [35] You can still buy 30day game time cards from Shattered Crystal http://www.shatteredcrystal.com dont know for how long tho
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:49:00 - [36] Originally by: RayBanJockey Edited by: RayBanJockey on 16/06/2008 13:46:24 Originally by: Chribba I don't think I would continue playing if my marginals was that close to living tho, no matter price change or not Well thing is, it's exactly when you DON'T have money that using what little you have left on EVE saves you, as spending time outside your home often costs WAY more. Not to mention you get lean and fit from not eating anything. Shouldn't keep you from applying for the occasional job though Fact is, can you afford not to play eve? This is from personal experience, now I have a job and the amount of money I spend on things like beer and women is simply ridiculous. Agreed. As addictions go, Eve is one of the cheapest I can imagine.
Chzandri	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:50:00 - [37] I have a friend who says he cannot afford this game period, not even $12-15 per month it costs. This summer he says he will be working 3 jobs to keep afloat of his financial situation. He has been paying with ISK all the way from the very beginning. As a newbie he went through several trial accounts gathering the required sum to earn a 30 day code and from there on he said it was easier. Right now he is part of 0.0 alliance and he makes ISK farming rats for certain number of evenings every month. He has also been lucky with exploration a few times. He pvps with any extra ISK that he makes. Really don't know anyone who is feeling like they are forced to leave the game because of this change. The subscription through the website is keeping same. And all of the people I know in game are quite capable of generating 150 million ISK monthly so no one has this kind of problem.
Valan The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:55:00 - [38] Well at least the sub hasn't followed inflation for the last five years. So in theory it's actually getting cheaper for most. Unless you don't get an annual pay rise of course. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Valan Well at least the sub hasn't followed inflation for the last five years. So in theory it's actually getting cheaper for most. Unless you don't get an annual pay rise of course. What inflation? The cost of bandwidth and hardware actually goes DOWN over time, not up. Bandwidth is way cheaper today than it was 5 years ago. Hardware is also cheaper relative to what it can do. Sure, wages go up, but CCP has the advantage of operating in a place with relatively low wages and cost of living compared to Europe and the US. Plus they have had the advantage of the rise in the Euro's value. Consider that they buy their hardware in dollars (from IBM in the US) but make most of their money in Euros or Pounds. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Sure, wages go up, but CCP has the advantage of operating in a place with relatively low wages and cost of living compared to Europe and the US. Plus they have had the advantage of the rise in the Euro's value. Consider that they buy their hardware in dollars (from IBM in the US) but make most of their money in Euros or Pounds. You never been to iceland by any chance? GDP (PPP) 2006 estimate - Total $12.172 billion (132nd) - Per capita $40,277 (2005) (5th) GDP (nominal) 2006 estimate - Total $16.579 billion (93rd) - Per capita $62,976 (4th) Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Valan The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Originally by: Valan Well at least the sub hasn't followed inflation for the last five years. So in theory it's actually getting cheaper for most. Unless you don't get an annual pay rise of course. What inflation? The cost of bandwidth and hardware actually goes DOWN over time, not up. Bandwidth is way cheaper today than it was 5 years ago. Hardware is also cheaper relative to what it can do. Sure, wages go up, but CCP has the advantage of operating in a place with relatively low wages and cost of living compared to Europe and the US. Plus they have had the advantage of the rise in the Euro's value. Consider that they buy their hardware in dollars (from IBM in the US) but make most of their money in Euros or Pounds. Since when has anyone put prices up in line with costs? They check the annual inflation add some to it and put the price up. Low cost of living in Iceland!!!!! Do you know much it costs to drink over there? ...and boy do they drink. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Davey Chase	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:25:00 - [42] Hope this may help. http://www.tuxedocard.co.uk/ Its like a topup credit card, uses Mastercard, found mine quite useful. Bang some cash on it and use that to grab your 30 day sub off the eve-o site.
Beltantis Torrence	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:28:00 - [43] At the point where the small amount of money that Eve costs to play becomes a problem, Eve should be the last thing on your mind. Seriously, if you're over the age of 12 its trivial to pay for Eve. In USD its 50 cents per day when the minimum wage is $7/hour. So you need to work about 3-4 hours per month to afford Eve at minimum wage. No sympathy from me.
Pliskkenn Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:33:00 - [44] Get off EMA (Or ALG if you're over 18) and get a job? Or if you're still able to claim either, get a job AS WELL? Seriously, tesco would take you on as a shelf stacker. It's not glamerous, but its money and you can put on your CV that you have been employed before. It's what I did. ---
Daedalus DuGalle Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.16 15:02:00 - [45] Man..feel sorry for the guy. But seriously, given we've all got good friends in EVE, I highly doubt anybody can simply brush off EVE as a "game". Hope he gets to a better financial situation in the future, even if EVE doesn't come into play. - What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?
Ryusoath Orillian KYBOSHI TRADING	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:02:00 - [46] EMA what a con, i do less work than you on the dole and get well over twice that. my food bill is mostly opal fruits. and i live on the internet.
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:05:00 - [47] Oh poor baby. This guy physically can't get a job. There are absolutely zero jobs for him to get I can't get a job, but I can waste my time playing a video game, so I am a productive member of society. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:09:00 - [48] Your period of discount is over, and you now get to pay the same price as everyone on the other side of the atlantic has been. Or you could sign up on subscription, and still get the same rate. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:18:00 - [49] Edited by: Zetjur Jilnou on 16/06/2008 16:18:20 'I can't afford to pay for something. It's unfair that the company expects me to pay the going rate.' That's all I'm hearing. Personally, in your situation, I'd stop buying time codes and spend a little more on food. ú10/week? I've no idea how it's even possible for someone in the UK to survive on that much. I know I wouldn't be able to. Basically, when spending only that much on food, surely you have greater concerns than internet spaceships?
Zephyr Rengate State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:18:00 - [50] Lol 30 pounds a week. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:19:00 - [51] Originally by: ZinderX500 You think it's too easy to earn 170mils per month for GTC ? Then send him the ISK if it's too easy for you , idiots. if you cannot make 170 mill a month you really ought to just quit eve. a week old char in an ibis can make that kind of money in a few hours in a cosmos complex with virtually no risk at all.
MJ Maverick IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:21:00 - [52] From post 43 onwards all common sense has gone out of the window, the inability to read is obvious and it appears all people with an IQ in excess of 14 have left this thread. Looks like someone was right. gives Rekindle a cookie Originally by: Rekindle I too think it was a bad move to go to the 60day cards. What I find more disturbing is the insulting nature of this community. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you have two accounts then its more money up front, a little over double by my math. Sure you get a month where you dont have to pay but is that the point? I would say however, that you may have to go elsewhere to have a constructive conversation. People will have lots of highly opinioniated options and suggestions for you :) --------------------
My Julutschka Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:28:00 - [53] imho if you can not afford a 60day GTC with the money you have at you disposal, perhaps paying for on online game is a rather bad choise at all for those persons???
Valan The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 - [54] Kind of realted but I just read a news story where the farmers are losing money becuase they don't have casual workers to pick crops. It's usually done by foreign workers and students. Now I realise the op may not be within reach of such an opportunity and the following isn't related to the op. But there is always a way of earning. The thing is in the UK no one wants to do it benefits are too easy. A farmer offered a job picking squash for ú7.50 and hour outside a job centre and the guy refused it because it was beneath him. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Andrue	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Valan Kind of realted but I just read a news story where the farmers are losing money becuase they don't have casual workers to pick crops. It's usually done by foreign workers and students. Now I realise the op may not be within reach of such an opportunity and the following isn't related to the op. But there is always a way of earning. The thing is in the UK no one wants to do it benefits are too easy. A farmer offered a job picking squash for ú7.50 and hour outside a job centre and the guy refused it because it was beneath him. I can believe it. I imagine that when he's down the pub drinking away his dole money he's also slagging off "..those damn' foreigners who steal our jobs". It tends to be the lazy buggers that don't have a job or school to go to that have the loudest voice and plenty of spare time to shout. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:45:00 - [56] Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 16/06/2008 16:44:54 Originally by: Valan Kind of realted but I just read a news story where the farmers are losing money becuase they don't have casual workers to pick crops. It's usually done by foreign workers and students. Now I realise the op may not be within reach of such an opportunity and the following isn't related to the op. But there is always a way of earning. The thing is in the UK no one wants to do it benefits are too easy. A farmer offered a job picking squash for ú7.50 and hour outside a job centre and the guy refused it because it was beneath him. 7.50 an hour for just that? Id do that in my spare time for extra money at that rate!
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:50:00 - [57] Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading. If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm) However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post. If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs. Furb Killer lol I know but come on... Everyone has to have something fun to do with mates online. As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money. Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies. You can grind enough ISK for a 90-day card (or 60 now, I suppose) in 2 days of L4 missions. yeah it's dull but then you get the other 58 days free. And you don't have to declare it to the DS AFAIK. I assume you're unemployed, so you have plenty of free time. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Shinnen Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:54:00 - [58] eurgh, op is wrong on so many levels. EMA is for your education, eve is quite the opposite. Now stop being a scav and get a job (or loan lol) like the rest of us -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!!
Bad Borris The Pikey Rebellion II	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:10:00 - [59] dude should quit eve an get a job.
Popsikle Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:35:00 - [60] uh. Its double the cost + $0.085 [USD] per day) for double the time... So you need to save one dime a day more.... Am I missing something here or is the $2.50 [USD] a month really that drastic of an increase? ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:36:00 - [61] Edited by: Bish Ounen on 16/06/2008 17:36:41 Originally by: MJ Maverick If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. I've been where you are. In college, mostly broke, trying to buy books and still afford food, etc etc etc. I know, I've been there. However, when you say that there are NO part-time jobs where you are, I think you are being a little dishonest. I suspect that what you REALLY mean is that there are no part-time jobs that you want in your area. Let's face it, there is ALWAYS work for those who are willing and able. I have a very hard time believing that there are no Petrol stations that need night attendants, no gardeners that need strong, young backs and arms to help out, no garbage collectors that need the same. And if there is nobody willing to hire you, then go into business for yourself. Pick up a crappy old lawnmower and start mowing lawns. Walk the dogs of rich people, babysit. There are ALWAYS ways of making money, even if it's only a little. The point is, don't think so highly of yourself that you think you are above any work. Living on the dole is for losers and people with no REAL options. If you are young, able, reasonably strong, and smart enough to attend college then your options and opportunities are limited only by your imagination and willingness to work. Now get going!
My Julutschka Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:02:00 - [62] this sums it up pretty well i think !
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:21:00 - [63] Originally by: Popsikle uh. Its double the cost + $0.085 [USD] per day) for double the time... So you need to save one dime a day more.... Am I missing something here or is the $2.50 [USD] a month really that drastic of an increase? Nope, it's 8 cents and a half more, per day. If you use GTCs. It's the old price if you pay by cash or debit card. 14.95/month, and you can pay monthly. The OP is just trolling, he can pay 14.95/month through money orders. Just go to a post office. Troll! .
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:46:00 - [64] Originally by: Xparky The OP is just trolling, he can pay 14.95/month through money orders. Just go to a post office. Money orders arent free either. But yea much to do about nothing. Just get a frikin credit card.
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:50:00 - [65] Originally by: Bleeshtar Originally by: Xparky The OP is just trolling, he can pay 14.95/month through money orders. Just go to a post office. Money orders arent free either. But yea much to do about nothing. Just get a frikin credit card. Didn't know you have to pay for money orders. But I sure know you don't have to pay for DEBIT cards, here where I live it's free to open one, no obligatory first deposit no nothing. Just a really small annual charge. .
Callun The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:45:00 - [66] Do what my kids do.....ask their mum for money. They stopped asking me ages ago.
Lord Evangelian The White Mantle	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:51:00 - [67] Originally by: MJ Maverick Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:19:42 Edited by: MJ Maverick on 16/06/2008 13:16:32 Ignoring the replies that don't deserve reading. If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. (No that's not sarcasm) However believe it or not some places like where I live only have full time available. Something I can not do. If you can't use the common sense to realise that then again, I cba to spend the effort to read your post. If your bank account went constantly bouncing up and down from the ú0 mark then you wouldn't link it to your account either which is why I have to use GTCs. Furb Killer lol I know but come on... Everyone has to have something fun to do with mates online. As for credit cards... Where do I start... Really, what a stupid thing to say to someone with no money. Can't use isk either really which is a shame. Even with my industrial mining Ice 24/7 400mil is a struggle... but 800mil... Not a chance I can pull that off Thank you to the sensible and none sadistic replies. Im currently a student studying in the UK (Im guessing that where your from), and I have a student loan, My loan doesnt even cover acomedation, and I have a job that barly covers it, so what I do I buy 3 months for EVE in advance so I know that its covered. That way I know I have a cheaper option of spening 60 pounds on 2 acoutns in eve over 3 months, or spending that in a night out on the the drink up with friends. I know the later sounds mor fun, but in the end what is it worth, and is it worth the expense... DOnt wory about it, it will work it self out, trst me I know it will... -------------------- The White Mantle
Megan Maynard Out of Order	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:26:00 - [68] Ouch dude, I feel for yah. If I were you, training a long lvl 5 and saving up for the 60 day card sounds like the way to go. You can ALWAYS play trial accounts to have some fun in the mean time. The test server should also have your account until the next mirror. Good Luck!
Red Dhalia	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:42:00 - [69] Dunno how this would work n the UK but I know a guy in the states who has a wife that won't let him take one dime from the regular income to play a game... here is what he does... and he has little time to farm for isk. He got a no charge checking debit card first. Then he started selling blood once a week. Put the money... think he said it was 10-20 bucks US... in the account. Use the debit card to pay long term. I know it sounds a bit lame... did to me at least... but now he plays and it adds up enuff he only pays in blood (literally) once n awhile now.
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:45:00 - [70] He donated blood once per week? If it were normal ammounts for blood donations he would now be dead.
Neddy Fox Paxton Industries	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:06:00 - [71] MJ, getting GTC's with some hours of missioning should sort your problem. And as other stated : I think you're dishounest about "no jobs". When I was 17 I shoveled cow**** for 5 hours / week, and made 40 pound in those 5 hours, netting me 150-160 pounds a month. There are always jobs. And no, there won't be many like you, since they all found a way (work) to make it possible to game/go out. We did an enquete last year on the highschool I work on, and 65% of the students have evening/saturday jobs, and we live in a very rural area. You're too picky/easy.
ZinderX500 RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Red Dhalia Dunno how this would work n the UK but I know a guy in the states who has a wife that won't let him take one dime from the regular income to play a game... here is what he does... and he has little time to farm for isk. He got a no charge checking debit card first. Then he started selling blood once a week. Put the money... think he said it was 10-20 bucks US... in the account. Use the debit card to pay long term. I know it sounds a bit lame... did to me at least... but now he plays and it adds up enuff he only pays in blood (literally) once n awhile now. Here , you don't get any money when you donate blood or anything else Originally by: Furb Killer He donated blood once per week? If it were normal ammounts for blood donations he would now be dead. Yeah , what the hell.. His wife fails btw. _____________________ Shelley Godfrey: Have you lost your mind!? Baltar: That's an interesting question, and one I pose to myself on a regular basis.
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:23:00 - [73] LMAO @ selling blood to play eve. That ought to be reserved for substance abuse tbh. If the problem is just the timing and you can afford the rate increase, here's what you do: 1. Let your account lapse for a month, put the money you would've spent on eve in a shoebox. 2. The next month, put the eve money in the same shoebox. Well lookie thar, you got 2 months' eve money. How'd you do that? Go buy 60 days. 3. Next month when you would've paid your bill again, stick it in the shoebox. 4. GOTO 2 Or quit in protest, up to you. ___________________________________________
deadmaus Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:36:00 - [74] Jesus christ...how lucky are we can that we CAN pay with isk! A game that pays for itself from the fun you have..and people are complaining? Toughen up for gods sake.Some of you don't know you are alive.
Jabezhane	Posted - 2008.06.17 10:17:00 - [75] Up until recently I was an IT Consultant for a bluechip company. Situations changed for me and I'm now looking for some late night shelf stacking jobs to keep the cash coming in and to keep me busy. Its money in the bank and it pays the bills. Young folks today have a very odd attitude to money/wants and needs. I was watching a TV documantary about a young 19 year old girl who had a 15 month old daughter and was also studying for a degree. She was struggling to make ends meet so decided to do pole-dancing and lap-dancing. She stated catagorically that working in a supermarket just wasnt enough. Anyway they follow her off to the stripclub and she does her 4-5 stint till the early hours. They then ask her how much she made. After paying the club ú85 to dance and then the clubs cut of her takings she had made ú15 for 5 hours work!!!! Supermarket doesnt cut it eh? To be honest whilst you may feel the whole world is against you, if I was in your shoes and on ú30 a week, not being able to play Eve would be about item number 95 on my list of priorities to sort out ASAP. Sit down, have a good long think about what is really important and necessary and make a plan. Trust me. Eve is NOT necessary for you right now. Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 16/06/2008 17:36:41 Originally by: MJ Maverick If your lucky enough to live somewhere where you can go to college and have a job then good for you. I've been where you are. In college, mostly broke, trying to buy books and still afford food, etc etc etc. I know, I've been there. However, when you say that there are NO part-time jobs where you are, I think you are being a little dishonest. I suspect that what you REALLY mean is that there are no part-time jobs that you want in your area. Let's face it, there is ALWAYS work for those who are willing and able. I have a very hard time believing that there are no Petrol stations that need night attendants, no gardeners that need strong, young backs and arms to help out, no garbage collectors that need the same. And if there is nobody willing to hire you, then go into business for yourself. Pick up a crappy old lawnmower and start mowing lawns. Walk the dogs of rich people, babysit. There are ALWAYS ways of making money, even if it's only a little. The point is, don't think so highly of yourself that you think you are above any work. Living on the dole is for losers and people with no REAL options. If you are young, able, reasonably strong, and smart enough to attend college then your options and opportunities are limited only by your imagination and willingness to work. Now get going!
nahtoh Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.17 10:20:00 - [76] Originally by: MJ Maverick From post 43 onwards all common sense has gone out of the window, the inability to read is obvious and it appears all people with an IQ in excess of 14 have left this thread. Looks like someone was right. gives Rekindle a cookie Originally by: Rekindle I too think it was a bad move to go to the 60day cards. What I find more disturbing is the insulting nature of this community. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you have two accounts then its more money up front, a little over double by my math. Sure you get a month where you dont have to pay but is that the point? I would say however, that you may have to go elsewhere to have a constructive conversation. People will have lots of highly opinioniated options and suggestions for you :) Splash plastic and pay by cash...its how i played when money was tight, or as someone else mentioned a prepaid credit card...theres your easy options... If you don't take those options then I will agree with the majorty posting... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
WA Dragon 108 Field Squadron RM RE	Posted - 2008.06.17 10:25:00 - [77] FACT! LIFES A *** AND THEN YOU DIE. even if your in a wheel chair you can get a job. EVE is = to gaming **. To be or not to be**......sorry can you repeat the question?
Huurtney Gurdsen	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:05:00 - [78] CAN I HAS UR STUF ? CAN I HAS UR STUF ? CAN I HAS UR STUF ? CAN I HAS UR STUF ?
hedfunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.18 12:46:00 - [79] If there's a college, there will be jobs around. So don't talk crap. They don't build colleges in the middle of nowhere? OP, would you mind telling us the area you live? I live in a small city up north, 80k people, and jobs are out there for anyone who wants them. WANT being the key word, sounds like you're just being lazy. I worked a paperound for 12quid a week, that ALONE could pay your sub, are there no newsagents near you? My first proper job was as a waiter for 3.50 an hour. It's ****, and low pay, but it was pay none the less. I don't receive any EMA, never have; it annoys me that people get money just for going to school, where as others get nothing; just because my parents get x amount of money sure as hell doesn't mean I see any of it, but that's another rant! Get a job. It isn't hard, really.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:12:00 - [80] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 18/06/2008 13:13:08 Am I exceptionally stupid, when I think the post does not make mathematical sense at all? Two months game time cost X pounds. Dude's only got X/2 pounds a month to spend. Dude saves for two months, he's got 2*X/2 = X pounds. Dude buys two months game time. During those two months, he can save up to buy other two months. No? And that's assuming you don't even get any discount for buying two months instead of one, at a time. Sure, there's gonna be a break till he gets the savings up enough. Such is the life of people with low income; you have to plan ahead. Or get a loan from your friends to get started. :) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:15:00 - [81] so dip into your account every 3rd month, play for 2, and get free skill training time for 1 or buy a gtc with money every 2 months, and one for isk every 2 months.
Jawas	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:39:00 - [82] Originally by: Ordon Gundar So is this what MY tax money is going towards? Get a job FFS! You don't know the cicumstances. He/she may be a student trying to get qualifications to get one or a single parent who can't afford childcare costs on a minimum wage. Please engage brain before putting anything else in motion, not everyone is on benefits out of choice. Frankly, minimum wage is far too low and those on it would often be better off financially by being out of work. -- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds.
Jack Rowanburn Evolution Logistics	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:57:00 - [83] Jesus, I cannot believe there is sympathy here?? I guess I'm one of the few that finds this laughable. Go get a job. Stack shelves, sweep the street, I don't care. How come people who want to work find jobs (Even part time ones) easily, yet those that want to be slackers sit around complaining "oh it's so hard, give me handouts" I went to college to learn stuff, not cos the Government was paying me to go so that they can massage the unemployment figures. I think you need to look at prioritising matey, that's what you have to do in the real world, though I guess you'll go straight from EMA to Jobseekers by the sound of it. I go to work every day of the week, I have a family to support and my taxes go to support whiney tossers who can't be arsed to try. Makes my blood boil.
Benilopax Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.06.18 14:36:00 - [84] Steady on everyone this is fast becoming a political discussion. Lets stick to advice not the "I pay good money to support poor people" argument which is completely wrong in my veiw, and also not for this forum.
Ikki Phoenix NightHawk Phantom Fleet	Posted - 2008.06.18 15:31:00 - [85] I know how MJM is feeling. Two-three years ago,I was myself in deep financial trouble. Anyway,I played Eve for a bit then had to quit because of money and such. Then when I finally came back to Eve this past January,I found the solution.I now buy a 3 month subscription EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3
Rastadeen Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.18 15:50:00 - [86] Collect bottles, turn em in. Play eve every second month.. Sit on street with a sign that say "need eve fix 10ú plx".. Well some of the things you could do if you really wanna play this game. Or hey.. run missions/rat whatever to make some isk and buy a GTC on this very same forum. If you cant do any RL work, or any ingame work... im sorry to say... you wont be getting welfare ingame...
Jack Rowanburn Evolution Logistics	Posted - 2008.06.18 15:52:00 - [87] Edited by: Jack Rowanburn on 18/06/2008 15:53:36 Originally by: Benilopax Steady on everyone this is fast becoming a political discussion. Lets stick to advice not the "I pay good money to support poor people" argument which is completely wrong in my veiw, and also not for this forum. I apologise if I've offended, but amidst the rant was a point - Prioritise. I'm sorry if people can't afford to play this game but in a contest between eating and playing internet spaceships, er, eating wins. The reason I got so irritated is the hard done by attitude - "Oh I only get ú30 a week" (which is the usual EMA amount and why people assumed that) or "I don't get paid if I'm off" (hey, guess what, neither do I!) - and I'll admit that it is partially because in my day (I feel dirty now - I'm not that old) we went to college to learn, not to get paid, if we wanted money there was no choice, get a job. Another point I worth noting is that this change isn't coming in to cost people more money, it's coming in to stop europeans basically scamming the ****ty exchange rate to the dollar. Edit: And to bring GTC in line with the CC subs. ------------- Freedom is the right of all sentient species - Optimus Prime
Spineker State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.18 16:24:00 - [88] Originally by: Ordon Gundar So is this what MY tax money is going towards? Get a job FFS! Hahahahahaha Damn right

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